Vikipedija isvwiki https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glavna_stranica MediaWiki 1.47.0-wmf.8 first-letter Media Special Besěda Koristnik Besěda s koristnikom Vikipedija Besěda Vikipedije Fajl Besěda o fajlu MediaWiki Besěda o MediaWiki Šablon Besěda o šablonu Pomoč Besěda o pomoči Kategorija Besěda o kategoriji TimedText TimedText talk Module Module talk Event Event talk Module:Alphabet/data 828 6 27123 17 2026-06-25T16:56:56Z MwGamera 13 Odčinjenje versije [[Special:Diff/16|16]] od koristnika [[Special:Contributions/MwGamera|MwGamera]] ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) – už ne potrěba 27123 Scribunto text/plain -- Latin alphabet of Interslavic language local latn = { { 'Ль', 'Lj' }, { 'Нь', 'Nj' }, { 'Љ', 'Lj' }, { 'Њ', 'Nj' }, { 'Ь', 'j' }, { 'А', 'A' }, { 'Б', 'B' }, { 'Ц', 'C' }, { 'Ч', 'Č' }, { 'Д', 'D' }, { 'Е', 'E' }, { 'Є', 'Ě' }, { 'Ф', 'F' }, { 'Г', 'G' }, { 'Х', 'H' }, { 'И', 'I' }, { 'Ј', 'J' }, { 'К', 'K' }, { 'Л', 'L' }, { 'М', 'M' }, { 'Н', 'N' }, { 'О', 'O' }, { 'П', 'P' }, { 'Р', 'R' }, { 'С', 'S' }, { 'Ш', 'Š' }, { 'Т', 'T' }, { 'У', 'U' }, { 'В', 'V' }, { 'Ы', 'Y' }, { 'З', 'Z' }, { 'Ж', 'Ž' }, } -- Cyrillic alphabet of Interslavic language local cyrl = { { 'Lj', 'Љ' }, { 'Nj', 'Њ' }, { 'Ĺ', 'Л' }, { 'Ń', 'Н' }, { 'A', 'А' }, { 'B', 'Б' }, { 'C', 'Ц' }, { 'Č', 'Ч' }, { 'D', 'Д' }, { 'E', 'Е' }, { 'Ě', 'Є' }, { 'F', 'Ф' }, { 'G', 'Г' }, { 'H', 'Х' }, { 'I', 'И' }, { 'J', 'Ј' }, { 'K', 'К' }, { 'L', 'Л' }, { 'M', 'М' }, { 'N', 'Н' }, { 'O', 'О' }, { 'P', 'П' }, { 'R', 'Р' }, { 'S', 'С' }, { 'Š', 'Ш' }, { 'T', 'Т' }, { 'U', 'У' }, { 'V', 'В' }, { 'Y', 'Ы' }, { 'Z', 'З' }, { 'Ž', 'Ж' }, } -- Simplified Latin local ascii_latn = { { 'Č', 'Cx' }, { 'Ě', 'Ex' }, { 'Ĺ', 'L' }, { 'Ń', 'N' }, { 'Š', 'Sx' }, { 'Ž', 'Zx' }, } -- Table of redirects to {{Користајте кирилицу}} local template_patterns = { '{{ *[Kk]oristajte +kirilicu *[|}]', '{{ *[Кк]ористајте +кирилицу *[|}]', } -- Function for getting the global preference for Cyrillic -- Source: [[w:Module:Citation/CS1/Configuration]] local function get_preference() local content = mw.title.getCurrentTitle():getContent() or '' -- Loop through the patterns looking for templates for _, pattern in ipairs(template_patterns) do local start = mw.ustring.find(content, pattern) if start then -- Get the whole template content = mw.ustring.match(content, '%b{}', start) local match = mw.ustring.match(content, '| *(%w+)') if match then -- Match is the country/language code from template return mw.ustring.lower( match ) else return 'any' end end end end local global_cyrl = get_preference() return { latn = latn, cyrl = cyrl, ascii_latn = ascii_latn, global_cyrl = global_cyrl, } 81mkd0fvhi0lvpstban1vd9m5ea6vw4 Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0 820 27172 5359 2026-06-26T08:02:24Z Noncinque 49 27172 wikitext text/x-wiki '''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''' jest bezplatna kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}} s odkrytym izvornym kodom i razrabotyvajemy komjuniti naslědnik igry 1997 goda ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'', početkovo razrabotannoj {{-|Linley Henzell'om|Лайнли Хензелом}}. Tuta igra byla oprědělena kako "osnovny {{-|roguelike}}" {{-|John'om Harris'om|Джоном Харисом}}. V 2008 godu ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' dobyla prvo město srěd {{-|roguelike}}-igr v nominaciji "{{-|Roguelike}} goda" po versiji {{-|ASCII Dreams}} po rezultatam anketovanja 371 igrokov. Pozdněje ona dobyla vtoro město v 2009 godu (poslě ''{{-|DoomRL}}'') i 2010 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}''), a takože tretje město v 2011 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}'' i ''{{-|Dungeons of Dredmor}}''). Tuta igra razprostranjaje se pod licenzijeju ''{{-|GNU GPL-2.0-or-later}}''. "Kamenna supa" jest odsylka k evropejskoj narodnoj skazkě, v ktoroj gladni neznajemci ubědžajut žiteljev grada poděliti se nevelikoju kolikostju svojej jedy, da by sdělati bljudo, ktoro spodobaje se vsim. V tutom momentu poslědnja stabilna versija '''{{-|DCSS}}''' jest ''0.34''. == Gejmplej == ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' jest igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, kde igrač stvarjaje personaža i provodi jego črěz podzemje, ktoro sodrživaje v sobě velmi mnogo etažev, čudišč i prědmětov. Cělj igry — dobyti kulju Zot i vrnuti se na povrhnost. Daby proniknuti v Carstvo Zot, kde i nahodi se kulja Zot, igrač dolžny najdti prinajmenje tri runy Zot iz petnadseti. Runy lěžet v koncu različnyh větv podzemja, kako napriklad Pavučje Gnězdo, Grobišče, i Slizneve Jamy. Tut takože jest kratke mody igry, nazyvajeme "sprinty". Najboljša čest krajevida, vragov i artefaktov naprěd generuje se, za izključenjem nektoryh slučajno sgenerovanyh vragov i kioskov. Te mody zabezpečajut nove puti prohodženja igry, ktore normalno ne vpisyvajut se v glavny režim, bud to amulet nevidimosti iz početka ili sěkyra s bezkonečnoju škodoju. U tutoj igry jest jasna filozofija — davati igraču interesne strategične i taktične izbory, zabezpěčiti možnost prěigryvati blagodare slučajno generujučim se podzemjam, byti jasnoj i prijemnoj daže tim, kto ne znaje jej vnutrne mehaniky, a takože imati komfortny interfejs, ktory pri želanji može avtomatično izpolnjati rutinne dějanija kako avtoizslědovanje ili pošuk prědmětov. Pri tutom razrabotniki silit se izběgati situacij, kogda igraču prihodi se bezmysljeno povtarjati nudne dějanija ili kogda izbor v igrě toliko kaže se takovym, ale na dělu jedin variant vsegda lěpše drugyh. Množinstvo uravnjej generujut se slučajnym obrazom dlja maksimalnoj raznorodnosti, v tot čas kak uravnji, sodržajuči cěljěve prědměty, izbirajut se slučajnym obrazom iz nekolikyh ručno razrabotanyh modelej komnat, ktore obyčno sodržat slučajne elementy i stvarjene na jezyku programovanja Lua. Slučajno sgenerovane uravnji mogut sodržati take že slučajno izbrane razrabotane ručno fragmenty, znajeme kako "{{-|vaults}}", a takože portaly v specialne male uravnji, napriklad Osuarij ili Laboratoriji Čarodějev. Početkovo personaži oprěděljajut se svojeju rasoju i prědhistorijeju. Razvivanje personaža osnovano na prěživanje, dobyvajemom za pobědu nad čudoviščami. Tuto prěživanje takože povyšaje i uravenj uměnij, odpovědajučih za oružje bližnjego i daljnjego bojev, čary i tako dalě. Igrač sam oprěděljaje, kake uměnja on bude razvivati. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje prědrazpoloženosti personaža k každomu iz uměnjij, ktore pokazyvajut, koliko prěživanja potrěbno dlja povyšenja uravnja uměnja, a takože dodajut specifične dlja rasy sposobnosti. V versiji 0.34 dostupne 27 različnyh ras. Izbor prědhistoriji oprěděljaje početkove uměnja i orudovanje. Počinajuči s versiji 0.34, sut 26 variantov prědhistorij: od vojevnika i občego čaroděja do lovca i alhimika. V protivnosti izboru rasy, izbor prědhistoriji vlivaje jedino na početok igry — igrač ne lišeny možnosti razvivati kake-libo uměnja ili koristati kake-libo orudovanje. V igrě takože jest prědstavjen panteon iz 26 bogov (po stanju na versiji 0.34). Igrač može izbrati sobě boga, poslě togo kako najde potrěbny oltar. Něktore prědhistoriji počinajut igru uže s poklonjenjem konkretnomu bogu, vključajuči Adepta Pepela, Berserkera i Rycara Haosa. Izbor božsrva značno vlivaje na igrovoj proces. Blagomilost bogov dobyvaje se raznymi sposobami, napriklad, izslědovanje podzemja, ubijstva čudovišč ili něčto drugo. V zaměn bogi darujut svojemu poslědovatelju podarky ili pasivne ili aktivne sposobnosti, ktore po-raznomu adaptovane k mnogočislnym stiljam igry v bližnjem ili daljnjem boju. Igrač nakože može odkazati se od svojego boga v korist drugogo, ale tuto obyčno vyzyvaje gněv božestva. V rezultatu ono bude něktory čas prěslědovati igrača, prizyvajuči močnyh čudovišč i nakladati zle efekty, kako napriklad zamedljenje, ili prosto nanoseči igraču veliku škodu. == Historija == === ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'' === '''''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}''''' (ili prosto '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl}}''''' ili '''''{{-|Crawl}}''''') jest kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, početkovo razrabotana Linli Henzelom v 1995 godu i vprvo vypuščena dlja obširnoj publiky 2 oktobra 1997 goda. Igra imala neobyčnu licenziju, osnovanu na licenzijah {{-|Bison}} i {{-|NetHack}}. {{-|Stone Soup}} svezali se so vsemi prědhodnymi vkladateljami i prělicenzovali novu igru pod {{-|GPL-2.0-or-later}}. ==== Originalny gejmplej ==== ''{{-|Crawl}}'' počinaje se s izbora jednoj iz bolje čim dvadeseti ras: několiko raznyh tipov elfov, dvarfov, ogrov, tengu, člověka, merfolka, kentavra i drugyh fantastičnyh stvorov. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje bazove harakteristiky, daljnejě razvivanje uměnij i fizične parametry kako bystrost dviženja, sprotivjenja i osoblive sposobnosti. S izključenjem rasovyh ograničenij, igrač izbiraje klas personaža iz bolje čim dvadeseti variantov. Klasy vključajut tradicijne rolji vojenika, čaroděja i razbojnika, a takože specializovane rolje, srěd ktoryh monahi, berserkery, ubijci, križenosci i stihijne zaklinatelji. Putnik jest netipičny variant, on vsegda imaje slučajnu sbirku uměnij. Zajedno klas i rasa oprěděljajut osnovno orudovanje i obučenje uměnjam, hoti personaži mogut poprobovati dobyti ktoro-libo vnutrigrovo uměnje. Sistema uměnij v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' obsegaje množinstvo sposobnostej, vključajuči možnost svobodno dvigati se v bronji ili tiho, dějati efektivne napady raznymi kategorijami oružja, osvajati zaklinanja iz raznyh čarovnyh škol, koristati magične artefakty i moliti se božestvam. Obučenje proizhodi putem povtorjenja dějanij, svezanyh s uměnjami, koristajuči prěživanje iz zapasa, popolnjajemogo po měrě poběd nad čudoviščami. Džon Haris u sebe v {{-|"@Play"}} utvrdžal, že sistema nabyvanja prěživanja "sručno izběgaje mnogyh problemov sistemy razvivanja, osnovanoj na uměnjah", generalno hvalil neobhodnost prodviženja po igrě dlja daljnjejšego ulěpšenja uměnij personaža. V tom že članku Džon Haris stvrdil, že "tuta sistema jest najlěpša sistema uměnij, kogda-libo strěčavšej se v {{-|roguelike}}-igrah; ona može pretendovati na zvanje jednoj iz najlěpših vo vsakoj {{-|CRPG}}". Religija v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' jest centralna igrova mehanika. Raznorodny panteon bogov ne ostavi igrača bez izbora. Tut sut mnogo nevtralnyh bogov, trojka dobryh bogov, protivdějajučih zlu i zlym bogam, a takože i haotičnym bogam. Vsi oni mogut dati svojim poslědovateljam svoji sposobnosti i dary, ktore sut mnogo pomočne dlja raznyh stilov igry. Cělj igry v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' — naidti Kulju Zot, skrytuju gluboko v podzemje. Dlja tutoj cělji potrěbno posětiti različne větvy podzemja, ktore jest v Oročjih Rudnikah i Brlogu Zvěrev, i nabyti minimalno tri rune Zot, da by odkryti dostup k Carstvu Zot. Vo vsakoj igrě možno nabyti petnadset run, čto jest dodatno doseženje. ==== Versiji ==== Poslědnja versija, ktoru razrabotal osobno Linli Henzel, jest ''3.3.0''. Nastupne versiji razrabotyvali se generalno Lipfordom i Rossom premo do finalnoj versiji ''4.0.0 beta 26''. Versija 400b26e070t jest popularna blagodare vključenju v nju patči 2003-2004 godov (Daršan Šaligram) i obnovjenju do tajlovoj grafiky {{-|(M. Itakura, Denzi, Alex Korol, Nullpodoh)}}. Tuta igra byla portovana na {{-|NintendoDS}} kako ''{{-|DSCrawl}}''. === ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' === Razrabotanje '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''''' počelo se v 2006 godu Daršanom Šaligramom {{-|(greensnark)}} i Erikom Pajperom kako proba vozobnoviti razrabotanje ''{{-|Crawl}}'', ktoro medlo šlo v gody poslě togo, kako Linli Henzel ušel iz razrabotanja igry. Dlja igry bylo vypuščeno několiko patčej, osoblivo, jedin od Šaligrama, znajemy kako "patč putovanja", ktory pozajmal realizaciju algoritma Dejkstry iz {{-|NetHack}} dlja zabezpečenja možnosti avtomatičnogo izslědovanja v igrě. Te patči byli skompilovane v projekt {{-|Stone Soup}} i vypuščen publično na {{-|SourceForge}}. Odkogda, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' dobyl množinstvo razširjenij dlja pomošči v igrě, napriklad, dozvaljajuči šukati každy kogda-libo najdeny prědmět s koristanjem vnutrigrovyh komand. Kromě togo, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' vnesla red ulěpčenij v koristateljny interfejs, takyh kako kooperacija s myšju i opcionalny grafičny interfejs. Da by izbegti izbytočnoj funkcionalnosti, ''{{-|DCSS}}'' izjela elementy igrovogo procesa, ktore oprědělili se izbytočnymi, vključajuči několiko ras, prědhistorij, čarovne školy i, ne tako davno, sistemu krmjenja. Družina razrabotnikov takože izglasila ohotnost shranititutčasno trvanje igry, zatom po měrě dodavanja novyh lokacij v podzemje stare skračali se il daže odstranjene, da by kompensovati tuto. == Operacijne sistemy == ''{{-|DCSS}}'' dostupna na {{-|Windows, macOS, Linux}} i {{-|Android}}. Igra takože možna na serverah, znajemyh kako ''{{-|"webtiles"}}'' premo v brauzěru ili črez podključenje po ''{{-|SSH}}''. Servera hranet onlajn-statistiku vsih igr, počinajuči od rasy, prědhistoriji i inventara, končajuči kolikostju ubityh čudovišč i kolikostju sdělanyh dějanij po uměnjam. {{INTERWIKI|Q5315124}} j7kvwcxh61zo3oiqcj8vffnaj1gtaho 27173 27172 2026-06-26T08:02:43Z Noncinque 49 27173 wikitext text/x-wiki '''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''' jest bezplatna kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}} s odkrytym izvornym kodom i razrabotyvajemy komjuniti naslědnik igry 1997 goda ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'', početkovo razrabotannoj {{-|Linley Henzell'om|Лайнли Хензелом}}. Tuta igra byla oprědělena kako "osnovny {{-|roguelike}}" {{-|John'om Harris'om|Джоном Харисом}}. V 2008 godu ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' dobyla prvo město srěd {{-|roguelike}}-igr v nominaciji "{{-|Roguelike}} goda" po versiji {{-|ASCII Dreams}} po rezultatam anketovanja 371 igrokov. Pozdněje ona dobyla vtoro město v 2009 godu (poslě ''{{-|DoomRL}}'') i 2010 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}''), a takože tretje město v 2011 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}'' i ''{{-|Dungeons of Dredmor}}''). Tuta igra razprostranjaje se pod licenzijeju ''{{-|GNU GPL-2.0-or-later}}''. "Kamenna supa" jest odsylka k evropejskoj narodnoj skazkě, v ktoroj gladni neznajemci ubědžajut žiteljev grada poděliti se nevelikoju kolikostju svojej jedy, da by sdělati bljudo, ktoro spodobaje se vsim. V tutom momentu poslědnja stabilna versija '''{{-|DCSS}}''' jest ''0.34''. == Gejmplej == ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' jest igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, kde igrač stvarjaje personaža i provodi jego črěz podzemje, ktoro sodrživaje v sobě velmi mnogo etažev, čudišč i prědmětov. Cělj igry — dobyti kulju Zot i vrnuti se na povrhnost. Daby proniknuti v Carstvo Zot, kde i nahodi se kulja Zot, igrač dolžny najdti prinajmenje tri runy Zot iz petnadseti. Runy lěžet v koncu različnyh větv podzemja, kako napriklad Pavučje Gnězdo, Grobišče, i Slizneve Jamy. Tut takože jest kratke mody igry, nazyvajeme "sprinty". Najboljša čest krajevida, vragov i artefaktov naprěd generuje se, za izključenjem nektoryh slučajno sgenerovanyh vragov i kioskov. Te mody zabezpečajut nove puti prohodženja igry, ktore normalno ne vpisyvajut se v glavny režim, bud to amulet nevidimosti iz početka ili sěkyra s bezkonečnoju škodoju. U tutoj igry jest jasna filozofija — davati igraču interesne strategične i taktične izbory, zabezpěčiti možnost prěigryvati blagodare slučajno generujučim se podzemjam, byti jasnoj i prijemnoj daže tim, kto ne znaje jej vnutrne mehaniky, a takože imati komfortny interfejs, ktory pri želanji može avtomatično izpolnjati rutinne dějanija kako avtoizslědovanje ili pošuk prědmětov. Pri tutom razrabotniki silit se izběgati situacij, kogda igraču prihodi se bezmysljeno povtarjati nudne dějanija ili kogda izbor v igrě toliko kaže se takovym, ale na dělu jedin variant vsegda lěpše drugyh. Množinstvo uravnjev generujut se slučajnym obrazom dlja maksimalnoj raznorodnosti, v tot čas kak uravnji, sodržajuči cěljěve prědměty, izbirajut se slučajnym obrazom iz nekolikyh ručno razrabotanyh modelej komnat, ktore obyčno sodržat slučajne elementy i stvarjene na jezyku programovanja Lua. Slučajno sgenerovane uravnji mogut sodržati take že slučajno izbrane razrabotane ručno fragmenty, znajeme kako "{{-|vaults}}", a takože portaly v specialne male uravnji, napriklad Osuarij ili Laboratoriji Čarodějev. Početkovo personaži oprěděljajut se svojeju rasoju i prědhistorijeju. Razvivanje personaža osnovano na prěživanje, dobyvajemom za pobědu nad čudoviščami. Tuto prěživanje takože povyšaje i uravenj uměnij, odpovědajučih za oružje bližnjego i daljnjego bojev, čary i tako dalě. Igrač sam oprěděljaje, kake uměnja on bude razvivati. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje prědrazpoloženosti personaža k každomu iz uměnjij, ktore pokazyvajut, koliko prěživanja potrěbno dlja povyšenja uravnja uměnja, a takože dodajut specifične dlja rasy sposobnosti. V versiji 0.34 dostupne 27 različnyh ras. Izbor prědhistoriji oprěděljaje početkove uměnja i orudovanje. Počinajuči s versiji 0.34, sut 26 variantov prědhistorij: od vojevnika i občego čaroděja do lovca i alhimika. V protivnosti izboru rasy, izbor prědhistoriji vlivaje jedino na početok igry — igrač ne lišeny možnosti razvivati kake-libo uměnja ili koristati kake-libo orudovanje. V igrě takože jest prědstavjen panteon iz 26 bogov (po stanju na versiji 0.34). Igrač može izbrati sobě boga, poslě togo kako najde potrěbny oltar. Něktore prědhistoriji počinajut igru uže s poklonjenjem konkretnomu bogu, vključajuči Adepta Pepela, Berserkera i Rycara Haosa. Izbor božsrva značno vlivaje na igrovoj proces. Blagomilost bogov dobyvaje se raznymi sposobami, napriklad, izslědovanje podzemja, ubijstva čudovišč ili něčto drugo. V zaměn bogi darujut svojemu poslědovatelju podarky ili pasivne ili aktivne sposobnosti, ktore po-raznomu adaptovane k mnogočislnym stiljam igry v bližnjem ili daljnjem boju. Igrač nakože može odkazati se od svojego boga v korist drugogo, ale tuto obyčno vyzyvaje gněv božestva. V rezultatu ono bude něktory čas prěslědovati igrača, prizyvajuči močnyh čudovišč i nakladati zle efekty, kako napriklad zamedljenje, ili prosto nanoseči igraču veliku škodu. == Historija == === ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'' === '''''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}''''' (ili prosto '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl}}''''' ili '''''{{-|Crawl}}''''') jest kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, početkovo razrabotana Linli Henzelom v 1995 godu i vprvo vypuščena dlja obširnoj publiky 2 oktobra 1997 goda. Igra imala neobyčnu licenziju, osnovanu na licenzijah {{-|Bison}} i {{-|NetHack}}. {{-|Stone Soup}} svezali se so vsemi prědhodnymi vkladateljami i prělicenzovali novu igru pod {{-|GPL-2.0-or-later}}. ==== Originalny gejmplej ==== ''{{-|Crawl}}'' počinaje se s izbora jednoj iz bolje čim dvadeseti ras: několiko raznyh tipov elfov, dvarfov, ogrov, tengu, člověka, merfolka, kentavra i drugyh fantastičnyh stvorov. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje bazove harakteristiky, daljnejě razvivanje uměnij i fizične parametry kako bystrost dviženja, sprotivjenja i osoblive sposobnosti. S izključenjem rasovyh ograničenij, igrač izbiraje klas personaža iz bolje čim dvadeseti variantov. Klasy vključajut tradicijne rolji vojenika, čaroděja i razbojnika, a takože specializovane rolje, srěd ktoryh monahi, berserkery, ubijci, križenosci i stihijne zaklinatelji. Putnik jest netipičny variant, on vsegda imaje slučajnu sbirku uměnij. Zajedno klas i rasa oprěděljajut osnovno orudovanje i obučenje uměnjam, hoti personaži mogut poprobovati dobyti ktoro-libo vnutrigrovo uměnje. Sistema uměnij v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' obsegaje množinstvo sposobnostej, vključajuči možnost svobodno dvigati se v bronji ili tiho, dějati efektivne napady raznymi kategorijami oružja, osvajati zaklinanja iz raznyh čarovnyh škol, koristati magične artefakty i moliti se božestvam. Obučenje proizhodi putem povtorjenja dějanij, svezanyh s uměnjami, koristajuči prěživanje iz zapasa, popolnjajemogo po měrě poběd nad čudoviščami. Džon Haris u sebe v {{-|"@Play"}} utvrdžal, že sistema nabyvanja prěživanja "sručno izběgaje mnogyh problemov sistemy razvivanja, osnovanoj na uměnjah", generalno hvalil neobhodnost prodviženja po igrě dlja daljnjejšego ulěpšenja uměnij personaža. V tom že članku Džon Haris stvrdil, že "tuta sistema jest najlěpša sistema uměnij, kogda-libo strěčavšej se v {{-|roguelike}}-igrah; ona može pretendovati na zvanje jednoj iz najlěpših vo vsakoj {{-|CRPG}}". Religija v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' jest centralna igrova mehanika. Raznorodny panteon bogov ne ostavi igrača bez izbora. Tut sut mnogo nevtralnyh bogov, trojka dobryh bogov, protivdějajučih zlu i zlym bogam, a takože i haotičnym bogam. Vsi oni mogut dati svojim poslědovateljam svoji sposobnosti i dary, ktore sut mnogo pomočne dlja raznyh stilov igry. Cělj igry v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' — naidti Kulju Zot, skrytuju gluboko v podzemje. Dlja tutoj cělji potrěbno posětiti različne větvy podzemja, ktore jest v Oročjih Rudnikah i Brlogu Zvěrev, i nabyti minimalno tri rune Zot, da by odkryti dostup k Carstvu Zot. Vo vsakoj igrě možno nabyti petnadset run, čto jest dodatno doseženje. ==== Versiji ==== Poslědnja versija, ktoru razrabotal osobno Linli Henzel, jest ''3.3.0''. Nastupne versiji razrabotyvali se generalno Lipfordom i Rossom premo do finalnoj versiji ''4.0.0 beta 26''. Versija 400b26e070t jest popularna blagodare vključenju v nju patči 2003-2004 godov (Daršan Šaligram) i obnovjenju do tajlovoj grafiky {{-|(M. Itakura, Denzi, Alex Korol, Nullpodoh)}}. Tuta igra byla portovana na {{-|NintendoDS}} kako ''{{-|DSCrawl}}''. === ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' === Razrabotanje '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''''' počelo se v 2006 godu Daršanom Šaligramom {{-|(greensnark)}} i Erikom Pajperom kako proba vozobnoviti razrabotanje ''{{-|Crawl}}'', ktoro medlo šlo v gody poslě togo, kako Linli Henzel ušel iz razrabotanja igry. Dlja igry bylo vypuščeno několiko patčej, osoblivo, jedin od Šaligrama, znajemy kako "patč putovanja", ktory pozajmal realizaciju algoritma Dejkstry iz {{-|NetHack}} dlja zabezpečenja možnosti avtomatičnogo izslědovanja v igrě. Te patči byli skompilovane v projekt {{-|Stone Soup}} i vypuščen publično na {{-|SourceForge}}. Odkogda, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' dobyl množinstvo razširjenij dlja pomošči v igrě, napriklad, dozvaljajuči šukati každy kogda-libo najdeny prědmět s koristanjem vnutrigrovyh komand. Kromě togo, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' vnesla red ulěpčenij v koristateljny interfejs, takyh kako kooperacija s myšju i opcionalny grafičny interfejs. Da by izbegti izbytočnoj funkcionalnosti, ''{{-|DCSS}}'' izjela elementy igrovogo procesa, ktore oprědělili se izbytočnymi, vključajuči několiko ras, prědhistorij, čarovne školy i, ne tako davno, sistemu krmjenja. Družina razrabotnikov takože izglasila ohotnost shranititutčasno trvanje igry, zatom po měrě dodavanja novyh lokacij v podzemje stare skračali se il daže odstranjene, da by kompensovati tuto. == Operacijne sistemy == ''{{-|DCSS}}'' dostupna na {{-|Windows, macOS, Linux}} i {{-|Android}}. Igra takože možna na serverah, znajemyh kako ''{{-|"webtiles"}}'' premo v brauzěru ili črez podključenje po ''{{-|SSH}}''. Servera hranet onlajn-statistiku vsih igr, počinajuči od rasy, prědhistoriji i inventara, končajuči kolikostju ubityh čudovišč i kolikostju sdělanyh dějanij po uměnjam. {{INTERWIKI|Q5315124}} iw7w003pee0zjjba13cvxvn8cjkk6m3 27174 27173 2026-06-26T08:03:56Z Noncinque 49 27174 wikitext text/x-wiki '''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''' jest bezplatna kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}} s odkrytym izvornym kodom i razrabotyvajemy komjuniti naslědnik igry 1997 goda ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'', početkovo razrabotannoj {{-|Linley Henzell'om|Лайнли Хензелом}}. Tuta igra byla oprědělena kako "osnovny {{-|roguelike}}" {{-|John'om Harris'om|Джоном Харисом}}. V 2008 godu ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' dobyla prvo město srěd {{-|roguelike}}-igr v nominaciji "{{-|Roguelike}} goda" po versiji {{-|ASCII Dreams}} po rezultatam anketovanja 371 igrokov. Pozdněje ona dobyla vtoro město v 2009 godu (poslě ''{{-|DoomRL}}'') i 2010 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}''), a takože tretje město v 2011 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}'' i ''{{-|Dungeons of Dredmor}}''). Tuta igra razprostranjaje se pod licenzijeju ''{{-|GNU GPL-2.0-or-later}}''. "Kamenna supa" jest odsylka k evropejskoj narodnoj skazkě, v ktoroj gladni neznajemci ubědžajut žiteljev grada poděliti se nevelikoju kolikostju svojej jedy, da by sdělati bljudo, ktoro spodobaje se vsim. V tutom momentu poslědnja stabilna versija '''{{-|DCSS}}''' jest ''0.34''. == Gejmplej == ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' jest igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, kde igrač stvarjaje personaža i provodi jego črěz podzemje, ktoro sodrživaje v sobě velmi mnogo etažev, čudišč i prědmětov. Cělj igry — dobyti kulju Zot i vrnuti se na povrhnost. Daby proniknuti v Carstvo Zot, kde i nahodi se kulja Zot, igrač dolžny najdti prinajmenje tri runy Zot iz petnadseti. Runy lěžet v koncu različnyh větv podzemja, kako napriklad Pavučje Gnězdo, Grobišče, i Slizneve Jamy. Tut takože jest kratke mody igry, nazyvajeme "sprinty". Najboljša čest krajevida, vragov i artefaktov naprěd generuje se, za izključenjem nektoryh slučajno sgenerovanyh vragov i kioskov. Te mody zabezpečajut nove puti prohodženja igry, ktore normalno ne vpisyvajut se v glavny režim, bud to amulet nevidimosti iz početka ili sěkyra s bezkonečnoju škodoju. U tutoj igry jest jasna filozofija — davati igraču interesne strategične i taktične izbory, zabezpěčiti možnost prěigryvati blagodare slučajno generujučim se podzemjam, byti jasnoj i prijemnoj daže tim, kto ne znaje jej vnutrne mehaniky, a takože imati komfortny interfejs, ktory pri želanji može avtomatično izpolnjati rutinne dějanija kako avtoizslědovanje ili pošuk prědmětov. Pri tutom razrabotniki silit se izběgati situacij, kogda igraču prihodi se bezmysljeno povtarjati nudne dějanija ili kogda izbor v igrě toliko kaže se takovym, ale na dělu jedin variant vsegda lěpše drugyh. Množinstvo uravnjev generujut se slučajnym obrazom dlja maksimalnoj raznorodnosti, v tot čas kak uravnji, sodržajuči cěljěve prědměty, izbirajut se slučajnym obrazom iz nekolikyh ručno razrabotanyh modelej komnat, ktore obyčno sodržat slučajne elementy i stvarjene na jezyku programovanja Lua. Slučajno sgenerovane uravnji mogut sodržati take že slučajno izbrane razrabotane ručno fragmenty, znajeme kako "{{-|vaults}}", a takože portaly v specialne male uravnji, napriklad Osuarij ili Laboratoriji Čarodějev. Početkovo personaži oprěděljajut se svojeju rasoju i prědhistorijeju. Razvivanje personaža osnovano na prěživanje, dobyvajemom za pobědu nad čudoviščami. Tuto prěživanje takože povyšaje i uravenj uměnij, odpovědajučih za oružje bližnjego i daljnjego bojev, čary i tako dalě. Igrač sam oprěděljaje, kake uměnja on bude razvivati. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje prědrazpoloženosti personaža k každomu iz uměnjij, ktore pokazyvajut, koliko prěživanja potrěbno dlja povyšenja uravnja uměnja, a takože dodajut specifične dlja rasy sposobnosti. V versiji 0.34 dostupne 27 različnyh ras. Izbor prědhistoriji oprěděljaje početkove uměnja i orudovanje. Počinajuči s versiji 0.34, sut 26 variantov prědhistorij: od vojevnika i občego čaroděja do lovca i alhimika. V protivnosti izboru rasy, izbor prědhistoriji vlivaje jedino na početok igry — igrač ne lišeny možnosti razvivati kake-libo uměnja ili koristati kake-libo orudovanje. V igrě takože jest prědstavjen panteon iz 26 bogov (po stanju na versiji 0.34). Igrač može izbrati sobě boga, poslě togo kako najde potrěbny oltar. Něktore prědhistoriji počinajut igru uže s poklonjenjem konkretnomu bogu, vključajuči Adepta Pepela, Berserkera i Rycara Haosa. Izbor božstva značno vlivaje na igrovoj proces. Blagomilost bogov dobyvaje se raznymi sposobami, napriklad, izslědovanje podzemja, ubijstva čudovišč ili něčto drugo. V zaměn bogi darujut svojemu poslědovatelju podarky ili pasivne ili aktivne sposobnosti, ktore po-raznomu adaptovane k mnogočislnym stiljam igry v bližnjem ili daljnjem boju. Igrač nakože može odkazati se od svojego boga v korist drugogo, ale tuto obyčno vyzyvaje gněv božestva. V rezultatu ono bude něktory čas prěslědovati igrača, prizyvajuči močnyh čudovišč i nakladati zle efekty, kako napriklad zamedljenje, ili prosto nanoseči igraču veliku škodu. == Historija == === ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'' === '''''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}''''' (ili prosto '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl}}''''' ili '''''{{-|Crawl}}''''') jest kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, početkovo razrabotana Linli Henzelom v 1995 godu i vprvo vypuščena dlja obširnoj publiky 2 oktobra 1997 goda. Igra imala neobyčnu licenziju, osnovanu na licenzijah {{-|Bison}} i {{-|NetHack}}. {{-|Stone Soup}} svezali se so vsemi prědhodnymi vkladateljami i prělicenzovali novu igru pod {{-|GPL-2.0-or-later}}. ==== Originalny gejmplej ==== ''{{-|Crawl}}'' počinaje se s izbora jednoj iz bolje čim dvadeseti ras: několiko raznyh tipov elfov, dvarfov, ogrov, tengu, člověka, merfolka, kentavra i drugyh fantastičnyh stvorov. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje bazove harakteristiky, daljnejě razvivanje uměnij i fizične parametry kako bystrost dviženja, sprotivjenja i osoblive sposobnosti. S izključenjem rasovyh ograničenij, igrač izbiraje klas personaža iz bolje čim dvadeseti variantov. Klasy vključajut tradicijne rolji vojenika, čaroděja i razbojnika, a takože specializovane rolje, srěd ktoryh monahi, berserkery, ubijci, križenosci i stihijne zaklinatelji. Putnik jest netipičny variant, on vsegda imaje slučajnu sbirku uměnij. Zajedno klas i rasa oprěděljajut osnovno orudovanje i obučenje uměnjam, hoti personaži mogut poprobovati dobyti ktoro-libo vnutrigrovo uměnje. Sistema uměnij v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' obsegaje množinstvo sposobnostej, vključajuči možnost svobodno dvigati se v bronji ili tiho, dějati efektivne napady raznymi kategorijami oružja, osvajati zaklinanja iz raznyh čarovnyh škol, koristati magične artefakty i moliti se božestvam. Obučenje proizhodi putem povtorjenja dějanij, svezanyh s uměnjami, koristajuči prěživanje iz zapasa, popolnjajemogo po měrě poběd nad čudoviščami. Džon Haris u sebe v {{-|"@Play"}} utvrdžal, že sistema nabyvanja prěživanja "sručno izběgaje mnogyh problemov sistemy razvivanja, osnovanoj na uměnjah", generalno hvalil neobhodnost prodviženja po igrě dlja daljnjejšego ulěpšenja uměnij personaža. V tom že članku Džon Haris stvrdil, že "tuta sistema jest najlěpša sistema uměnij, kogda-libo strěčavšej se v {{-|roguelike}}-igrah; ona može pretendovati na zvanje jednoj iz najlěpših vo vsakoj {{-|CRPG}}". Religija v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' jest centralna igrova mehanika. Raznorodny panteon bogov ne ostavi igrača bez izbora. Tut sut mnogo nevtralnyh bogov, trojka dobryh bogov, protivdějajučih zlu i zlym bogam, a takože i haotičnym bogam. Vsi oni mogut dati svojim poslědovateljam svoji sposobnosti i dary, ktore sut mnogo pomočne dlja raznyh stilov igry. Cělj igry v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' — naidti Kulju Zot, skrytuju gluboko v podzemje. Dlja tutoj cělji potrěbno posětiti različne větvy podzemja, ktore jest v Oročjih Rudnikah i Brlogu Zvěrev, i nabyti minimalno tri rune Zot, da by odkryti dostup k Carstvu Zot. Vo vsakoj igrě možno nabyti petnadset run, čto jest dodatno doseženje. ==== Versiji ==== Poslědnja versija, ktoru razrabotal osobno Linli Henzel, jest ''3.3.0''. Nastupne versiji razrabotyvali se generalno Lipfordom i Rossom premo do finalnoj versiji ''4.0.0 beta 26''. Versija 400b26e070t jest popularna blagodare vključenju v nju patči 2003-2004 godov (Daršan Šaligram) i obnovjenju do tajlovoj grafiky {{-|(M. Itakura, Denzi, Alex Korol, Nullpodoh)}}. Tuta igra byla portovana na {{-|NintendoDS}} kako ''{{-|DSCrawl}}''. === ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' === Razrabotanje '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''''' počelo se v 2006 godu Daršanom Šaligramom {{-|(greensnark)}} i Erikom Pajperom kako proba vozobnoviti razrabotanje ''{{-|Crawl}}'', ktoro medlo šlo v gody poslě togo, kako Linli Henzel ušel iz razrabotanja igry. Dlja igry bylo vypuščeno několiko patčej, osoblivo, jedin od Šaligrama, znajemy kako "patč putovanja", ktory pozajmal realizaciju algoritma Dejkstry iz {{-|NetHack}} dlja zabezpečenja možnosti avtomatičnogo izslědovanja v igrě. Te patči byli skompilovane v projekt {{-|Stone Soup}} i vypuščen publično na {{-|SourceForge}}. Odkogda, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' dobyl množinstvo razširjenij dlja pomošči v igrě, napriklad, dozvaljajuči šukati každy kogda-libo najdeny prědmět s koristanjem vnutrigrovyh komand. Kromě togo, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' vnesla red ulěpčenij v koristateljny interfejs, takyh kako kooperacija s myšju i opcionalny grafičny interfejs. Da by izbegti izbytočnoj funkcionalnosti, ''{{-|DCSS}}'' izjela elementy igrovogo procesa, ktore oprědělili se izbytočnymi, vključajuči několiko ras, prědhistorij, čarovne školy i, ne tako davno, sistemu krmjenja. Družina razrabotnikov takože izglasila ohotnost shranititutčasno trvanje igry, zatom po měrě dodavanja novyh lokacij v podzemje stare skračali se il daže odstranjene, da by kompensovati tuto. == Operacijne sistemy == ''{{-|DCSS}}'' dostupna na {{-|Windows, macOS, Linux}} i {{-|Android}}. Igra takože možna na serverah, znajemyh kako ''{{-|"webtiles"}}'' premo v brauzěru ili črez podključenje po ''{{-|SSH}}''. Servera hranet onlajn-statistiku vsih igr, počinajuči od rasy, prědhistoriji i inventara, končajuči kolikostju ubityh čudovišč i kolikostju sdělanyh dějanij po uměnjam. {{INTERWIKI|Q5315124}} o76nraw5wsnkj3zdj7l9anfzll0dfav 27175 27174 2026-06-26T08:05:37Z Noncinque 49 27175 wikitext text/x-wiki '''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''' jest bezplatna kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}} s odkrytym izvornym kodom i razrabotyvajemy komjuniti naslědnik igry 1997 goda ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'', početkovo razrabotannoj {{-|Linley Henzell'om|Лайнли Хензелом}}. Tuta igra byla oprědělena kako "osnovny {{-|roguelike}}" {{-|John'om Harris'om|Джоном Харисом}}. V 2008 godu ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' dobyla prvo město srěd {{-|roguelike}}-igr v nominaciji "{{-|Roguelike}} goda" po versiji {{-|ASCII Dreams}} po rezultatam anketovanja 371 igrokov. Pozdněje ona dobyla vtoro město v 2009 godu (poslě ''{{-|DoomRL}}'') i 2010 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}''), a takože tretje město v 2011 godu (poslě ''{{-|ToME 4}}'' i ''{{-|Dungeons of Dredmor}}''). Tuta igra razprostranjaje se pod licenzijeju ''{{-|GNU GPL-2.0-or-later}}''. "Kamenna supa" jest odsylka k evropejskoj narodnoj skazkě, v ktoroj gladni neznajemci ubědžajut žiteljev grada poděliti se nevelikoju kolikostju svojej jedy, da by sdělati bljudo, ktoro spodobaje se vsim. V tutom momentu poslědnja stabilna versija '''{{-|DCSS}}''' jest ''0.34''. == Gejmplej == ''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}'' jest igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, kde igrač stvarjaje personaža i provodi jego črěz podzemje, ktoro sodrživaje v sobě velmi mnogo etažev, čudišč i prědmětov. Cělj igry — dobyti kulju Zot i vrnuti se na povrhnost. Daby proniknuti v Carstvo Zot, kde i nahodi se kulja Zot, igrač dolžny najdti prinajmenje tri runy Zot iz petnadseti. Runy lěžet v koncu različnyh větv podzemja, kako napriklad Pavučje Gnězdo, Grobišče, i Slizneve Jamy. Tut takože jest kratke mody igry, nazyvajeme "sprinty". Najboljša čest krajevida, vragov i artefaktov naprěd generuje se, za izključenjem nektoryh slučajno sgenerovanyh vragov i kioskov. Te mody zabezpečajut nove puti prohodženja igry, ktore normalno ne vpisyvajut se v glavny režim, bud to amulet nevidimosti iz početka ili sěkyra s bezkonečnoju škodoju. U tutoj igry jest jasna filozofija — davati igraču interesne strategične i taktične izbory, zabezpěčiti možnost prěigryvati blagodare slučajno generujučim se podzemjam, byti jasnoj i prijemnoj daže tim, kto ne znaje jej vnutrne mehaniky, a takože imati komfortny interfejs, ktory pri želanji može avtomatično izpolnjati rutinne dějanija kako avtoizslědovanje ili pošuk prědmětov. Pri tutom razrabotniki silit se izběgati situacij, kogda igraču prihodi se bezmysljeno povtarjati nudne dějanija ili kogda izbor v igrě toliko kaže se takovym, ale na dělu jedin variant vsegda lěpše drugyh. Množinstvo uravnjev generujut se slučajnym obrazom dlja maksimalnoj raznorodnosti, v tot čas kak uravnji, sodržajuči cěljěve prědměty, izbirajut se slučajnym obrazom iz nekolikyh ručno razrabotanyh modelov komnat, ktore obyčno sodržat slučajne elementy i stvarjene na jezyku programovanja Lua. Slučajno sgenerovane uravnji mogut sodržati take že slučajno izbrane razrabotane ručno fragmenty, znajeme kako "{{-|vaults}}", a takože portaly v specialne male uravnji, napriklad Osuarij ili Laboratoriji Čarodějev. Početkovo personaži oprěděljajut se svojeju rasoju i prědhistorijeju. Razvivanje personaža osnovano na prěživanje, dobyvajemom za pobědu nad čudoviščami. Tuto prěživanje takože povyšaje i uravenj uměnij, odpovědajučih za oružje bližnjego i daljnjego bojev, čary i tako dalě. Igrač sam oprěděljaje, kake uměnja on bude razvivati. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje prědrazpoloženosti personaža k každomu iz uměnjij, ktore pokazyvajut, koliko prěživanja potrěbno dlja povyšenja uravnja uměnja, a takože dodajut specifične dlja rasy sposobnosti. V versiji 0.34 dostupne 27 različnyh ras. Izbor prědhistoriji oprěděljaje početkove uměnja i orudovanje. Počinajuči s versiji 0.34, sut 26 variantov prědhistorij: od vojevnika i občego čaroděja do lovca i alhimika. V protivnosti izboru rasy, izbor prědhistoriji vlivaje jedino na početok igry — igrač ne lišeny možnosti razvivati kake-libo uměnja ili koristati kake-libo orudovanje. V igrě takože jest prědstavjen panteon iz 26 bogov (po stanju na versiji 0.34). Igrač može izbrati sobě boga, poslě togo kako najde potrěbny oltar. Něktore prědhistoriji počinajut igru uže s poklonjenjem konkretnomu bogu, vključajuči Adepta Pepela, Berserkera i Rycara Haosa. Izbor božstva značno vlivaje na igrovoj proces. Blagomilost bogov dobyvaje se raznymi sposobami, napriklad, izslědovanje podzemja, ubijstva čudovišč ili něčto drugo. V zaměn bogi darujut svojemu poslědovatelju podarky ili pasivne ili aktivne sposobnosti, ktore po-raznomu adaptovane k mnogočislnym stiljam igry v bližnjem ili daljnjem boju. Igrač nakože može odkazati se od svojego boga v korist drugogo, ale tuto obyčno vyzyvaje gněv božestva. V rezultatu ono bude něktory čas prěslědovati igrača, prizyvajuči močnyh čudovišč i nakladati zle efekty, kako napriklad zamedljenje, ili prosto nanoseči igraču veliku škodu. == Historija == === ''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}'' === '''''{{-|Linley's Dungeon Crawl}}''''' (ili prosto '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl}}''''' ili '''''{{-|Crawl}}''''') jest kompjuterna igra v žanru {{-|roguelike}}, početkovo razrabotana Linli Henzelom v 1995 godu i vprvo vypuščena dlja obširnoj publiky 2 oktobra 1997 goda. Igra imala neobyčnu licenziju, osnovanu na licenzijah {{-|Bison}} i {{-|NetHack}}. {{-|Stone Soup}} svezali se so vsemi prědhodnymi vkladateljami i prělicenzovali novu igru pod {{-|GPL-2.0-or-later}}. ==== Originalny gejmplej ==== ''{{-|Crawl}}'' počinaje se s izbora jednoj iz bolje čim dvadeseti ras: několiko raznyh tipov elfov, dvarfov, ogrov, tengu, člověka, merfolka, kentavra i drugyh fantastičnyh stvorov. Izbor rasy oprěděljaje bazove harakteristiky, daljnejě razvivanje uměnij i fizične parametry kako bystrost dviženja, sprotivjenja i osoblive sposobnosti. S izključenjem rasovyh ograničenij, igrač izbiraje klas personaža iz bolje čim dvadeseti variantov. Klasy vključajut tradicijne rolji vojenika, čaroděja i razbojnika, a takože specializovane rolje, srěd ktoryh monahi, berserkery, ubijci, križenosci i stihijne zaklinatelji. Putnik jest netipičny variant, on vsegda imaje slučajnu sbirku uměnij. Zajedno klas i rasa oprěděljajut osnovno orudovanje i obučenje uměnjam, hoti personaži mogut poprobovati dobyti ktoro-libo vnutrigrovo uměnje. Sistema uměnij v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' obsegaje množinstvo sposobnostej, vključajuči možnost svobodno dvigati se v bronji ili tiho, dějati efektivne napady raznymi kategorijami oružja, osvajati zaklinanja iz raznyh čarovnyh škol, koristati magične artefakty i moliti se božestvam. Obučenje proizhodi putem povtorjenja dějanij, svezanyh s uměnjami, koristajuči prěživanje iz zapasa, popolnjajemogo po měrě poběd nad čudoviščami. Džon Haris u sebe v {{-|"@Play"}} utvrdžal, že sistema nabyvanja prěživanja "sručno izběgaje mnogyh problemov sistemy razvivanja, osnovanoj na uměnjah", generalno hvalil neobhodnost prodviženja po igrě dlja daljnjejšego ulěpšenja uměnij personaža. V tom že članku Džon Haris stvrdil, že "tuta sistema jest najlěpša sistema uměnij, kogda-libo strěčavšej se v {{-|roguelike}}-igrah; ona može pretendovati na zvanje jednoj iz najlěpših vo vsakoj {{-|CRPG}}". Religija v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' jest centralna igrova mehanika. Raznorodny panteon bogov ne ostavi igrača bez izbora. Tut sut mnogo nevtralnyh bogov, trojka dobryh bogov, protivdějajučih zlu i zlym bogam, a takože i haotičnym bogam. Vsi oni mogut dati svojim poslědovateljam svoji sposobnosti i dary, ktore sut mnogo pomočne dlja raznyh stilov igry. Cělj igry v ''{{-|Crawl}}'' — naidti Kulju Zot, skrytuju gluboko v podzemje. Dlja tutoj cělji potrěbno posětiti različne větvy podzemja, ktore jest v Oročjih Rudnikah i Brlogu Zvěrev, i nabyti minimalno tri rune Zot, da by odkryti dostup k Carstvu Zot. Vo vsakoj igrě možno nabyti petnadset run, čto jest dodatno doseženje. ==== Versiji ==== Poslědnja versija, ktoru razrabotal osobno Linli Henzel, jest ''3.3.0''. Nastupne versiji razrabotyvali se generalno Lipfordom i Rossom premo do finalnoj versiji ''4.0.0 beta 26''. Versija 400b26e070t jest popularna blagodare vključenju v nju patči 2003-2004 godov (Daršan Šaligram) i obnovjenju do tajlovoj grafiky {{-|(M. Itakura, Denzi, Alex Korol, Nullpodoh)}}. Tuta igra byla portovana na {{-|NintendoDS}} kako ''{{-|DSCrawl}}''. === ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' === Razrabotanje '''''{{-|Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup}}''''' počelo se v 2006 godu Daršanom Šaligramom {{-|(greensnark)}} i Erikom Pajperom kako proba vozobnoviti razrabotanje ''{{-|Crawl}}'', ktoro medlo šlo v gody poslě togo, kako Linli Henzel ušel iz razrabotanja igry. Dlja igry bylo vypuščeno několiko patčej, osoblivo, jedin od Šaligrama, znajemy kako "patč putovanja", ktory pozajmal realizaciju algoritma Dejkstry iz {{-|NetHack}} dlja zabezpečenja možnosti avtomatičnogo izslědovanja v igrě. Te patči byli skompilovane v projekt {{-|Stone Soup}} i vypuščen publično na {{-|SourceForge}}. Odkogda, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' dobyl množinstvo razširjenij dlja pomošči v igrě, napriklad, dozvaljajuči šukati každy kogda-libo najdeny prědmět s koristanjem vnutrigrovyh komand. Kromě togo, ''{{-|Stone Soup}}'' vnesla red ulěpčenij v koristateljny interfejs, takyh kako kooperacija s myšju i opcionalny grafičny interfejs. Da by izbegti izbytočnoj funkcionalnosti, ''{{-|DCSS}}'' izjela elementy igrovogo procesa, ktore oprědělili se izbytočnymi, vključajuči několiko ras, prědhistorij, čarovne školy i, ne tako davno, sistemu krmjenja. Družina razrabotnikov takože izglasila ohotnost shranititutčasno trvanje igry, zatom po měrě dodavanja novyh lokacij v podzemje stare skračali se il daže odstranjene, da by kompensovati tuto. == Operacijne sistemy == ''{{-|DCSS}}'' dostupna na {{-|Windows, macOS, Linux}} i {{-|Android}}. Igra takože možna na serverah, znajemyh kako ''{{-|"webtiles"}}'' premo v brauzěru ili črez podključenje po ''{{-|SSH}}''. Servera hranet onlajn-statistiku vsih igr, počinajuči od rasy, prědhistoriji i inventara, končajuči kolikostju ubityh čudovišč i kolikostju sdělanyh dějanij po uměnjam. {{INTERWIKI|Q5315124}} 3tkrk8lduh4ms7d54ahqi943j35cvwj Filozofija 0 882 27132 5938 2026-06-25T18:36:39Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27132 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Filozofija''' (iz [[starogrečsk]]ogo ''φιλοσοφία,'' bukvalno "ljubov do mudrosti") jest sistematična studija najvyše osnovnyh problemov, kako sut, napriklad, bytje, mysljenje, moral, [[jezyk]]. Filozofija imaje několiko razdělov: metafizika, ontologija, epistemologija, etika, estetika. Filozofija nauky zajmaje se granicami i metodologijeju oddělnyh nauk (napriklad, filozofija [[Historija|historije]], filozofija [[Biologija|biologije]]) i nauky generalno. Velmi těsno filozofija jest svezana s logikoju i teologijeju. Filozofija je vozniknula priblizno v VII—VI věkah prěd rodženjem Hristosa v Greciji, Indiji i Kitaju i je ovplyvnila razvoj nauky, religije i spoločnogo stroja vseh modernyh krajin. [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] [[Kategorija:Socialne nauky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5891}} 56zd8o5o8gmfe8bra0ti79vz2koxdr0 27133 27132 2026-06-25T18:37:33Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27133 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Filozofija''' (iz [[starogrečsk]]ogo ''φιλοσοφία,'' bukvalno "ljubov do mudrosti") jest sistematično izučanje najvyše osnovnyh problemov, kako sut, napriklad, bytje, mysljenje, moral, [[jezyk]]. Filozofija imaje několiko razdělov: metafizika, ontologija, epistemologija, etika, estetika. Filozofija nauky zajmaje se granicami i metodologijeju oddělnyh nauk (napriklad, filozofija [[Historija|historije]], filozofija [[Biologija|biologije]]) i nauky generalno. Velmi těsno filozofija jest svezana s logikoju i teologijeju. Filozofija je vozniknula priblizno v VII—VI věkah prěd rodženjem Hristosa v Greciji, Indiji i Kitaju i je ovplyvnila razvoj nauky, religije i spoločnogo stroja vseh modernyh krajin. [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] [[Kategorija:Socialne nauky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5891}} 8l88twlhf30omo4mi8vnzd61t0ug021 27134 27133 2026-06-25T18:39:11Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27134 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Filozofija''' (iz [[starogrečsk]]ogo ''φιλοσοφία,'' bukvalno "ljubov do mudrosti") jest sistematično izučanje najvyše osnovnyh problemov, kako sut, napriklad, bytje, mysljenje, moral, [[jezyk]]. Filozofija imaje několiko razdělov: metafizika, ontologija, epistemologija, etika, estetika. Filozofija [[nauka|nauky]] zajmaje se granicami i metodologijeju oddělnyh nauk (napriklad, filozofija [[Historija|historije]], filozofija [[Biologija|biologije]]) i nauky generalno. Velmi těsno filozofija jest svezana s logikoju i teologijeju. Filozofija je vozniknula priblizno v VII—VI věkah prěd rodženjem Hristosa v Greciji, Indiji i Kitaju i je ovplyvnila razvoj nauky, religije i spoločnogo stroja vseh modernyh krajin. [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] [[Kategorija:Socialne nauky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5891}} 3w9i0vo6r34urnxs1xl76oie2n44nlb Glagolica 0 930 27127 6351 2026-06-25T18:29:31Z Ilja isv 10 /* Rody */ 27127 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Kodex.Zograf.JPG|thumb|Stranica {{Lang|la|Codex Zographensis}} s tekstom Evangeĺja Luki]] '''Glagolica''' (Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰹⱌⰰ ili takože Ⰳⰾⰳⱁⰾⰻⱌⰰ, Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰺⱌⰰ) jest najstarějše znano [[Slovjani|slovjansko]] [[pismo]]. Razvažaje se, čto ono bylo stvorjeno v 9. stolětju [[Kiril i Metodij|Kirilom]], bizantijskym monahom iz [[Tesaloniki|Tesalonikov]]. On i jegov brat, Metodij, byli poslani bizantijskym imperatorom [[Mihail 3.|Mihailom 3.]] v 863 roku v [[Velika Moravija|Veliku Moraviju]], da by razprostraniti hristijanstvo srěd zapadnyh slovjanov. Brati rěšili prěvesti liturgične knigy na staroslovjansky jezyk — jegove slova ne bylo legko napisati grečskym ili latinskym pismom ubo Kiril rěšil izmysliti novo pismo, glagolicu, ktoru on osnoval na městnom narěčju slovjanov iz krajiny Saloniki. Poslě smrti Kirila i Metodija, glagolicu prěstali koristati v Moraviji, ale jih učeniki prodolžili propagovati jej na zapadu i na jugu, kde ona takože byla potom izměščana latiniceju. Glagolica byla shranjena toliko duhovenstvom [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]], da by pisati [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskom]] do ranogo 19. stolětja. == Ime == Ime ne bylo stvorjeno poslě stvorenja pisma i proizhodi iz [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskogo]] {{-|глаголъ}}, "slovo". Ime bylo stvorjeno črěz stolětja poslě stvorjeńja pisma. Jest domysl, čto ime «glagolica» razvilo se v [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]] v 14. stolětju i izvode se iz slova {{Lang|hr|glagoljati}}, ktoro prikladalo se k privrženecam liturgiji v slovjanskom.<ref>{{-|Bernard Comrie and Greville G. Corbett, ''The Slavonic Languages,'' Taylor & Francis, 2002, p. 29.}}</ref> Na crkovnoslovjanskom jezyku glagolica imenuje se ''{{-|кѷрїлловица}}'' (kirillovica). == Rody == V těčenju stolětji glagolica razvila se v mnoge rody: jest krugla glagolica, v něktoryh jezykah jej nazva jest «obla glagolica». Vse najstarějše glagoličske teksty iz tako zvanogo «starocrkovnoslovjanskogo kanona» sut pisane v krugloj glagolicě (Kijevsky Misal, Assemansky Kodeks i druge). Jest i rod tako zvanoj «hrvatskoj vuglastoj glagolice», upotrěbjanoj v hrvatskoj rimsko-slovjanskoj liturgiji, a takože «hrvatskoj rukopisnoj glagolice». Sut takože različne prohodne i měšane formy glagolice, na priklad zapis na doskě iz Bašky ima različne osoblive formy bukv i někogdy takože latinske litery napr. O, M, N zaměsto glagoličskyh Ⱁ, Ⰿ, Ⱀ<ref>Snimka iz Wikimedia Commons: [[:File:Bascanska_ploca.jpg]] Spis bukv iz dosky iz Bašky: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/baska.html</ref>. Takože forma pisanja jerov i bukvy Zemlja (Ⰸ) i drugyh bukv napr. v Kyjevskom misalu i Asemanskom kodeksu jest nemnogo ina.<ref>Sravnite sobě stranicu glagolice iz Asemanskogo Kodeksa [[:File:CodexVaticanusSlavicus3Gagoliticus.jpg]] i stranice iz Kyjevskogo Misala https://www.wdl.org/en/item/7488/view/1/13/</ref> == Pravopis == Glagolica ne iměla jednogo, redovnogo i točnogo pravopisa. Pisanje sloves zavisělo često od pisatelja i dialekta, pisatelji upotrěbjali takože različne označenja(točky, linije i druge) dnes malo razumlive, ne pisali odstupov medžu slovami, interpunkcija byla mnogo bědna (bez ekvivalentov znakov . , !). Na priměr, dva slova "běsy izgonite" v Kodeksě Marianskom sut pisane "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" v Kodeksě Zografskom sut "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰺⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" i v Kodeksě Asemanskom "Ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻ̄ⰸⰳⱁⱀⰹⱅⰵ". Razliky v pravopisě sut često v bukvah Ⰺ, Ⰻ, Ⰹ<ref> Zrite Evangelij Mateja, děl 10, linija 8. K. Mariansky: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/marianus/maria.htm K. Asemansky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/asseman/assem.htm K. Zografsky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/zograph/zogra.htm </ref> i v jih sostavjenjah s jerami, napr. ⱏⰹ, ⱏⰻ, ⱐⰹ. Takože pisanje jerov tvrdogo i mękkogo i nasalov bylo različno: ove zvųky pomalo izčezali v rodnyh, městnyh jezykah. Něktore bukvy byli mnogo rědke i s nejasnom značenjem, napr. tako zovana bukva «hlъmъ», ona byla pisana jedino v slově ⱒⰾⱏⰿⱏ i jedino v něktoryh rukopisah.<ref> ''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 172</ref> Koristili tož mnoge skraćenja i s tako zvanym ''titlom'' ҃ i ine.<ref>''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 181-182</ref> == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://slovjani.info/archive/2018-2.pdf Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] — članok v časopisu Slovjani.info ** [http://slovjani.info/archive/2019-1.pdf Erratum — Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] {{Prěvod|en|Glagolitic script|revizija=833141620}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q145625}} i56vw4kxqqw9x93n1koj3b4ac7150w2 27128 27127 2026-06-25T18:30:10Z Ilja isv 10 /* Rody */ 27128 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Kodex.Zograf.JPG|thumb|Stranica {{Lang|la|Codex Zographensis}} s tekstom Evangeĺja Luki]] '''Glagolica''' (Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰹⱌⰰ ili takože Ⰳⰾⰳⱁⰾⰻⱌⰰ, Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰺⱌⰰ) jest najstarějše znano [[Slovjani|slovjansko]] [[pismo]]. Razvažaje se, čto ono bylo stvorjeno v 9. stolětju [[Kiril i Metodij|Kirilom]], bizantijskym monahom iz [[Tesaloniki|Tesalonikov]]. On i jegov brat, Metodij, byli poslani bizantijskym imperatorom [[Mihail 3.|Mihailom 3.]] v 863 roku v [[Velika Moravija|Veliku Moraviju]], da by razprostraniti hristijanstvo srěd zapadnyh slovjanov. Brati rěšili prěvesti liturgične knigy na staroslovjansky jezyk — jegove slova ne bylo legko napisati grečskym ili latinskym pismom ubo Kiril rěšil izmysliti novo pismo, glagolicu, ktoru on osnoval na městnom narěčju slovjanov iz krajiny Saloniki. Poslě smrti Kirila i Metodija, glagolicu prěstali koristati v Moraviji, ale jih učeniki prodolžili propagovati jej na zapadu i na jugu, kde ona takože byla potom izměščana latiniceju. Glagolica byla shranjena toliko duhovenstvom [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]], da by pisati [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskom]] do ranogo 19. stolětja. == Ime == Ime ne bylo stvorjeno poslě stvorenja pisma i proizhodi iz [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskogo]] {{-|глаголъ}}, "slovo". Ime bylo stvorjeno črěz stolětja poslě stvorjeńja pisma. Jest domysl, čto ime «glagolica» razvilo se v [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]] v 14. stolětju i izvode se iz slova {{Lang|hr|glagoljati}}, ktoro prikladalo se k privrženecam liturgiji v slovjanskom.<ref>{{-|Bernard Comrie and Greville G. Corbett, ''The Slavonic Languages,'' Taylor & Francis, 2002, p. 29.}}</ref> Na crkovnoslovjanskom jezyku glagolica imenuje se ''{{-|кѷрїлловица}}'' (kirillovica). == Rody == V těčenju stolětji glagolica razvila se v mnoge rody: jest krugla glagolica, v něktoryh jezykah jej nazva jest «obla glagolica». Vse najstarějše glagoličske teksty iz tako zvanogo «starocrkovnoslovjanskogo kanona» sut pisane v krugloj glagolicě (Kijevsky Misal, Assemansky Kodeks i druge). Jest i rod tako zvanoj «hrvatskoj vuglastoj glagolici», upotrěbjanoj v hrvatskoj rimsko-slovjanskoj liturgiji, a takože «hrvatskoj rukopisnoj glagolice». Sut takože različne prohodne i měšane formy glagolice, na priklad zapis na doskě iz Bašky ima različne osoblive formy bukv i někogdy takože latinske litery napr. O, M, N zaměsto glagoličskyh Ⱁ, Ⰿ, Ⱀ<ref>Snimka iz Wikimedia Commons: [[:File:Bascanska_ploca.jpg]] Spis bukv iz dosky iz Bašky: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/baska.html</ref>. Takože forma pisanja jerov i bukvy Zemlja (Ⰸ) i drugyh bukv napr. v Kyjevskom misalu i Asemanskom kodeksu jest nemnogo ina.<ref>Sravnite sobě stranicu glagolice iz Asemanskogo Kodeksa [[:File:CodexVaticanusSlavicus3Gagoliticus.jpg]] i stranice iz Kyjevskogo Misala https://www.wdl.org/en/item/7488/view/1/13/</ref> == Pravopis == Glagolica ne iměla jednogo, redovnogo i točnogo pravopisa. Pisanje sloves zavisělo često od pisatelja i dialekta, pisatelji upotrěbjali takože različne označenja(točky, linije i druge) dnes malo razumlive, ne pisali odstupov medžu slovami, interpunkcija byla mnogo bědna (bez ekvivalentov znakov . , !). Na priměr, dva slova "běsy izgonite" v Kodeksě Marianskom sut pisane "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" v Kodeksě Zografskom sut "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰺⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" i v Kodeksě Asemanskom "Ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻ̄ⰸⰳⱁⱀⰹⱅⰵ". Razliky v pravopisě sut često v bukvah Ⰺ, Ⰻ, Ⰹ<ref> Zrite Evangelij Mateja, děl 10, linija 8. K. Mariansky: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/marianus/maria.htm K. Asemansky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/asseman/assem.htm K. Zografsky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/zograph/zogra.htm </ref> i v jih sostavjenjah s jerami, napr. ⱏⰹ, ⱏⰻ, ⱐⰹ. Takože pisanje jerov tvrdogo i mękkogo i nasalov bylo različno: ove zvųky pomalo izčezali v rodnyh, městnyh jezykah. Něktore bukvy byli mnogo rědke i s nejasnom značenjem, napr. tako zovana bukva «hlъmъ», ona byla pisana jedino v slově ⱒⰾⱏⰿⱏ i jedino v něktoryh rukopisah.<ref> ''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 172</ref> Koristili tož mnoge skraćenja i s tako zvanym ''titlom'' ҃ i ine.<ref>''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 181-182</ref> == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://slovjani.info/archive/2018-2.pdf Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] — članok v časopisu Slovjani.info ** [http://slovjani.info/archive/2019-1.pdf Erratum — Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] {{Prěvod|en|Glagolitic script|revizija=833141620}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q145625}} nzt0b2nvudlgb3l4373h80ucuws64jm 27129 27128 2026-06-25T18:31:00Z Ilja isv 10 /* Rody */ 27129 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Kodex.Zograf.JPG|thumb|Stranica {{Lang|la|Codex Zographensis}} s tekstom Evangeĺja Luki]] '''Glagolica''' (Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰹⱌⰰ ili takože Ⰳⰾⰳⱁⰾⰻⱌⰰ, Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰺⱌⰰ) jest najstarějše znano [[Slovjani|slovjansko]] [[pismo]]. Razvažaje se, čto ono bylo stvorjeno v 9. stolětju [[Kiril i Metodij|Kirilom]], bizantijskym monahom iz [[Tesaloniki|Tesalonikov]]. On i jegov brat, Metodij, byli poslani bizantijskym imperatorom [[Mihail 3.|Mihailom 3.]] v 863 roku v [[Velika Moravija|Veliku Moraviju]], da by razprostraniti hristijanstvo srěd zapadnyh slovjanov. Brati rěšili prěvesti liturgične knigy na staroslovjansky jezyk — jegove slova ne bylo legko napisati grečskym ili latinskym pismom ubo Kiril rěšil izmysliti novo pismo, glagolicu, ktoru on osnoval na městnom narěčju slovjanov iz krajiny Saloniki. Poslě smrti Kirila i Metodija, glagolicu prěstali koristati v Moraviji, ale jih učeniki prodolžili propagovati jej na zapadu i na jugu, kde ona takože byla potom izměščana latiniceju. Glagolica byla shranjena toliko duhovenstvom [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]], da by pisati [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskom]] do ranogo 19. stolětja. == Ime == Ime ne bylo stvorjeno poslě stvorenja pisma i proizhodi iz [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskogo]] {{-|глаголъ}}, "slovo". Ime bylo stvorjeno črěz stolětja poslě stvorjeńja pisma. Jest domysl, čto ime «glagolica» razvilo se v [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]] v 14. stolětju i izvode se iz slova {{Lang|hr|glagoljati}}, ktoro prikladalo se k privrženecam liturgiji v slovjanskom.<ref>{{-|Bernard Comrie and Greville G. Corbett, ''The Slavonic Languages,'' Taylor & Francis, 2002, p. 29.}}</ref> Na crkovnoslovjanskom jezyku glagolica imenuje se ''{{-|кѷрїлловица}}'' (kirillovica). == Rody == V těčenju stolětji glagolica razvila se v mnoge rody: jest krugla glagolica, v něktoryh jezykah jej nazva jest «obla glagolica». Vse najstarějše glagoličske teksty iz tako zvanogo «starocrkovnoslovjanskogo kanona» sut pisane v krugloj glagolici (Kijevsky Misal, Assemansky Kodeks i druge). Jest i rod tako zvanoj «hrvatskoj vuglastoj glagolici», upotrěbjanoj v hrvatskoj rimsko-slovjanskoj liturgiji, a takože «hrvatskoj rukopisnoj glagolici». Sut takože različne prohodne i měšane formy glagolice, napriklad zapis na doskě iz Bašky ima različne osoblive formy bukv i někogdy takože latinske litery napr. O, M, N zaměsto glagoličskyh Ⱁ, Ⰿ, Ⱀ<ref>Snimka iz Wikimedia Commons: [[:File:Bascanska_ploca.jpg]] Spis bukv iz dosky iz Bašky: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/baska.html</ref>. Takože forma pisanja jerov i bukvy Zemlja (Ⰸ) i drugyh bukv napr. v Kyjevskom misalu i Asemanskom kodeksu jest nemnogo ina.<ref>Sravnite sobě stranicu glagolice iz Asemanskogo Kodeksa [[:File:CodexVaticanusSlavicus3Gagoliticus.jpg]] i stranice iz Kyjevskogo Misala https://www.wdl.org/en/item/7488/view/1/13/</ref> == Pravopis == Glagolica ne iměla jednogo, redovnogo i točnogo pravopisa. Pisanje sloves zavisělo često od pisatelja i dialekta, pisatelji upotrěbjali takože različne označenja(točky, linije i druge) dnes malo razumlive, ne pisali odstupov medžu slovami, interpunkcija byla mnogo bědna (bez ekvivalentov znakov . , !). Na priměr, dva slova "běsy izgonite" v Kodeksě Marianskom sut pisane "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" v Kodeksě Zografskom sut "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰺⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" i v Kodeksě Asemanskom "Ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻ̄ⰸⰳⱁⱀⰹⱅⰵ". Razliky v pravopisě sut često v bukvah Ⰺ, Ⰻ, Ⰹ<ref> Zrite Evangelij Mateja, děl 10, linija 8. K. Mariansky: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/marianus/maria.htm K. Asemansky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/asseman/assem.htm K. Zografsky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/zograph/zogra.htm </ref> i v jih sostavjenjah s jerami, napr. ⱏⰹ, ⱏⰻ, ⱐⰹ. Takože pisanje jerov tvrdogo i mękkogo i nasalov bylo različno: ove zvųky pomalo izčezali v rodnyh, městnyh jezykah. Něktore bukvy byli mnogo rědke i s nejasnom značenjem, napr. tako zovana bukva «hlъmъ», ona byla pisana jedino v slově ⱒⰾⱏⰿⱏ i jedino v něktoryh rukopisah.<ref> ''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 172</ref> Koristili tož mnoge skraćenja i s tako zvanym ''titlom'' ҃ i ine.<ref>''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 181-182</ref> == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://slovjani.info/archive/2018-2.pdf Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] — članok v časopisu Slovjani.info ** [http://slovjani.info/archive/2019-1.pdf Erratum — Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] {{Prěvod|en|Glagolitic script|revizija=833141620}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q145625}} jzcr5vyp6aiji97ewl8ma93tev9t6gp 27130 27129 2026-06-25T18:31:41Z Ilja isv 10 /* Rody */ 27130 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Kodex.Zograf.JPG|thumb|Stranica {{Lang|la|Codex Zographensis}} s tekstom Evangeĺja Luki]] '''Glagolica''' (Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰹⱌⰰ ili takože Ⰳⰾⰳⱁⰾⰻⱌⰰ, Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰺⱌⰰ) jest najstarějše znano [[Slovjani|slovjansko]] [[pismo]]. Razvažaje se, čto ono bylo stvorjeno v 9. stolětju [[Kiril i Metodij|Kirilom]], bizantijskym monahom iz [[Tesaloniki|Tesalonikov]]. On i jegov brat, Metodij, byli poslani bizantijskym imperatorom [[Mihail 3.|Mihailom 3.]] v 863 roku v [[Velika Moravija|Veliku Moraviju]], da by razprostraniti hristijanstvo srěd zapadnyh slovjanov. Brati rěšili prěvesti liturgične knigy na staroslovjansky jezyk — jegove slova ne bylo legko napisati grečskym ili latinskym pismom ubo Kiril rěšil izmysliti novo pismo, glagolicu, ktoru on osnoval na městnom narěčju slovjanov iz krajiny Saloniki. Poslě smrti Kirila i Metodija, glagolicu prěstali koristati v Moraviji, ale jih učeniki prodolžili propagovati jej na zapadu i na jugu, kde ona takože byla potom izměščana latiniceju. Glagolica byla shranjena toliko duhovenstvom [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]], da by pisati [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskom]] do ranogo 19. stolětja. == Ime == Ime ne bylo stvorjeno poslě stvorenja pisma i proizhodi iz [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskogo]] {{-|глаголъ}}, "slovo". Ime bylo stvorjeno črěz stolětja poslě stvorjeńja pisma. Jest domysl, čto ime «glagolica» razvilo se v [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]] v 14. stolětju i izvode se iz slova {{Lang|hr|glagoljati}}, ktoro prikladalo se k privrženecam liturgiji v slovjanskom.<ref>{{-|Bernard Comrie and Greville G. Corbett, ''The Slavonic Languages,'' Taylor & Francis, 2002, p. 29.}}</ref> Na crkovnoslovjanskom jezyku glagolica imenuje se ''{{-|кѷрїлловица}}'' (kirillovica). == Rody == V těčenju stolětji glagolica razvila se v mnoge rody: jest krugla glagolica, v něktoryh jezykah jej nazva jest «obla glagolica». Vse najstarějše glagoličnee teksty iz tako zvanogo «starocrkovnoslovjanskogo kanona» sut pisane v krugloj glagolici (Kijevsky Misal, Assemansky Kodeks i druge). Jest i rod tako zvanoj «hrvatskoj vuglastoj glagolici», upotrěbjanoj v hrvatskoj rimsko-slovjanskoj liturgiji, a takože «hrvatskoj rukopisnoj glagolici». Sut takože različne prohodne i měšane formy glagolice, napriklad zapis na doskě iz Bašky ima različne osoblive formy bukv i někogdy takože latinske litery napr. O, M, N zaměsto glagoličskyh Ⱁ, Ⰿ, Ⱀ<ref>Snimka iz Wikimedia Commons: [[:File:Bascanska_ploca.jpg]] Spis bukv iz dosky iz Bašky: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/baska.html</ref>. Takože forma pisanja jerov i bukvy Zemlja (Ⰸ) i drugyh bukv napr. v Kyjevskom misalu i Asemanskom kodeksu jest nemnogo ina.<ref>Sravnite sobě stranicu glagolice iz Asemanskogo Kodeksa [[:File:CodexVaticanusSlavicus3Gagoliticus.jpg]] i stranice iz Kyjevskogo Misala https://www.wdl.org/en/item/7488/view/1/13/</ref> == Pravopis == Glagolica ne iměla jednogo, redovnogo i točnogo pravopisa. Pisanje sloves zavisělo često od pisatelja i dialekta, pisatelji upotrěbjali takože različne označenja(točky, linije i druge) dnes malo razumlive, ne pisali odstupov medžu slovami, interpunkcija byla mnogo bědna (bez ekvivalentov znakov . , !). Na priměr, dva slova "běsy izgonite" v Kodeksě Marianskom sut pisane "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" v Kodeksě Zografskom sut "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰺⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" i v Kodeksě Asemanskom "Ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻ̄ⰸⰳⱁⱀⰹⱅⰵ". Razliky v pravopisě sut često v bukvah Ⰺ, Ⰻ, Ⰹ<ref> Zrite Evangelij Mateja, děl 10, linija 8. K. Mariansky: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/marianus/maria.htm K. Asemansky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/asseman/assem.htm K. Zografsky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/zograph/zogra.htm </ref> i v jih sostavjenjah s jerami, napr. ⱏⰹ, ⱏⰻ, ⱐⰹ. Takože pisanje jerov tvrdogo i mękkogo i nasalov bylo različno: ove zvųky pomalo izčezali v rodnyh, městnyh jezykah. Něktore bukvy byli mnogo rědke i s nejasnom značenjem, napr. tako zovana bukva «hlъmъ», ona byla pisana jedino v slově ⱒⰾⱏⰿⱏ i jedino v něktoryh rukopisah.<ref> ''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 172</ref> Koristili tož mnoge skraćenja i s tako zvanym ''titlom'' ҃ i ine.<ref>''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 181-182</ref> == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://slovjani.info/archive/2018-2.pdf Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] — članok v časopisu Slovjani.info ** [http://slovjani.info/archive/2019-1.pdf Erratum — Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] {{Prěvod|en|Glagolitic script|revizija=833141620}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q145625}} ljqnz6si17wm2z2y4mwr1bj0bkkw75v 27131 27130 2026-06-25T18:32:57Z Ilja isv 10 /* Rody */ 27131 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Kodex.Zograf.JPG|thumb|Stranica {{Lang|la|Codex Zographensis}} s tekstom Evangeĺja Luki]] '''Glagolica''' (Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰹⱌⰰ ili takože Ⰳⰾⰳⱁⰾⰻⱌⰰ, Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰺⱌⰰ) jest najstarějše znano [[Slovjani|slovjansko]] [[pismo]]. Razvažaje se, čto ono bylo stvorjeno v 9. stolětju [[Kiril i Metodij|Kirilom]], bizantijskym monahom iz [[Tesaloniki|Tesalonikov]]. On i jegov brat, Metodij, byli poslani bizantijskym imperatorom [[Mihail 3.|Mihailom 3.]] v 863 roku v [[Velika Moravija|Veliku Moraviju]], da by razprostraniti hristijanstvo srěd zapadnyh slovjanov. Brati rěšili prěvesti liturgične knigy na staroslovjansky jezyk — jegove slova ne bylo legko napisati grečskym ili latinskym pismom ubo Kiril rěšil izmysliti novo pismo, glagolicu, ktoru on osnoval na městnom narěčju slovjanov iz krajiny Saloniki. Poslě smrti Kirila i Metodija, glagolicu prěstali koristati v Moraviji, ale jih učeniki prodolžili propagovati jej na zapadu i na jugu, kde ona takože byla potom izměščana latiniceju. Glagolica byla shranjena toliko duhovenstvom [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]], da by pisati [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskom]] do ranogo 19. stolětja. == Ime == Ime ne bylo stvorjeno poslě stvorenja pisma i proizhodi iz [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskogo]] {{-|глаголъ}}, "slovo". Ime bylo stvorjeno črěz stolětja poslě stvorjeńja pisma. Jest domysl, čto ime «glagolica» razvilo se v [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]] v 14. stolětju i izvode se iz slova {{Lang|hr|glagoljati}}, ktoro prikladalo se k privrženecam liturgiji v slovjanskom.<ref>{{-|Bernard Comrie and Greville G. Corbett, ''The Slavonic Languages,'' Taylor & Francis, 2002, p. 29.}}</ref> Na crkovnoslovjanskom jezyku glagolica imenuje se ''{{-|кѷрїлловица}}'' (kirillovica). == Rody == V těčenju stolětji glagolica razvila se v mnoge rody: jest krugla glagolica, v něktoryh jezykah jej nazva jest «obla glagolica». Vse najstarějše glagolične teksty iz tako zvanogo «starocrkovnoslovjanskogo kanona» sut pisane v krugloj glagolici (Kijevsky Misal, Assemansky Kodeks i druge). Jest i rod tako zvanoj «hrvatskoj vuglastoj glagolice», upotrěbjanoj v hrvatskoj rimsko-slovjanskoj liturgiji, a takože «hrvatskoj rukopisnoj glagolice». Sut takože različne prohodne i měšane formy glagolice, napriklad zapis na doskě iz Bašky ima različne osoblive formy bukv i někogdy takože latinske litery napr. O, M, N zaměsto glagoličskyh Ⱁ, Ⰿ, Ⱀ<ref>Snimka iz Wikimedia Commons: [[:File:Bascanska_ploca.jpg]] Spis bukv iz dosky iz Bašky: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/baska.html</ref>. Takože forma pisanja jerov i bukvy Zemlja (Ⰸ) i drugyh bukv napr. v Kyjevskom misalu i Asemanskom kodeksu jest nemnogo ina.<ref>Sravnite sobě stranicu glagolice iz Asemanskogo Kodeksa [[:File:CodexVaticanusSlavicus3Gagoliticus.jpg]] i stranice iz Kyjevskogo Misala https://www.wdl.org/en/item/7488/view/1/13/</ref> == Pravopis == Glagolica ne iměla jednogo, redovnogo i točnogo pravopisa. Pisanje sloves zavisělo često od pisatelja i dialekta, pisatelji upotrěbjali takože različne označenja(točky, linije i druge) dnes malo razumlive, ne pisali odstupov medžu slovami, interpunkcija byla mnogo bědna (bez ekvivalentov znakov . , !). Na priměr, dva slova "běsy izgonite" v Kodeksě Marianskom sut pisane "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" v Kodeksě Zografskom sut "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰺⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" i v Kodeksě Asemanskom "Ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻ̄ⰸⰳⱁⱀⰹⱅⰵ". Razliky v pravopisě sut često v bukvah Ⰺ, Ⰻ, Ⰹ<ref> Zrite Evangelij Mateja, děl 10, linija 8. K. Mariansky: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/marianus/maria.htm K. Asemansky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/asseman/assem.htm K. Zografsky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/zograph/zogra.htm </ref> i v jih sostavjenjah s jerami, napr. ⱏⰹ, ⱏⰻ, ⱐⰹ. Takože pisanje jerov tvrdogo i mękkogo i nasalov bylo različno: ove zvųky pomalo izčezali v rodnyh, městnyh jezykah. Něktore bukvy byli mnogo rědke i s nejasnom značenjem, napr. tako zovana bukva «hlъmъ», ona byla pisana jedino v slově ⱒⰾⱏⰿⱏ i jedino v něktoryh rukopisah.<ref> ''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 172</ref> Koristili tož mnoge skraćenja i s tako zvanym ''titlom'' ҃ i ine.<ref>''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 181-182</ref> == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://slovjani.info/archive/2018-2.pdf Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] — članok v časopisu Slovjani.info ** [http://slovjani.info/archive/2019-1.pdf Erratum — Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] {{Prěvod|en|Glagolitic script|revizija=833141620}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q145625}} m4w41ifwbw830eldpjd36uusm1fo7qf 27153 27131 2026-06-26T02:05:53Z MwGamera 13 /* Ime */ +lang 27153 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Kodex.Zograf.JPG|thumb|Stranica {{Lang|la|Codex Zographensis}} s tekstom Evangeĺja Luki]] '''Glagolica''' (Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰹⱌⰰ ili takože Ⰳⰾⰳⱁⰾⰻⱌⰰ, Ⰳⰾⰰⰳⱁⰾⰺⱌⰰ) jest najstarějše znano [[Slovjani|slovjansko]] [[pismo]]. Razvažaje se, čto ono bylo stvorjeno v 9. stolětju [[Kiril i Metodij|Kirilom]], bizantijskym monahom iz [[Tesaloniki|Tesalonikov]]. On i jegov brat, Metodij, byli poslani bizantijskym imperatorom [[Mihail 3.|Mihailom 3.]] v 863 roku v [[Velika Moravija|Veliku Moraviju]], da by razprostraniti hristijanstvo srěd zapadnyh slovjanov. Brati rěšili prěvesti liturgične knigy na staroslovjansky jezyk — jegove slova ne bylo legko napisati grečskym ili latinskym pismom ubo Kiril rěšil izmysliti novo pismo, glagolicu, ktoru on osnoval na městnom narěčju slovjanov iz krajiny Saloniki. Poslě smrti Kirila i Metodija, glagolicu prěstali koristati v Moraviji, ale jih učeniki prodolžili propagovati jej na zapadu i na jugu, kde ona takože byla potom izměščana latiniceju. Glagolica byla shranjena toliko duhovenstvom [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]], da by pisati [[Crkovnoslovjansky jezyk|crkovnoslovjanskom]] do ranogo 19. stolětja. == Ime == Ime ne bylo stvorjeno poslě stvorenja pisma i proizhodi iz [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|starocrkovnoslovjanskogo]] {{lang|cu|глаголъ}}, "slovo". Ime bylo stvorjeno črěz stolětja poslě stvorjeńja pisma. Jest domysl, čto ime «glagolica» razvilo se v [[Hrvatija|Hrvatije]] v 14. stolětju i izvode se iz slova {{Lang|hr|glagoljati}}, ktoro prikladalo se k privrženecam liturgiji v slovjanskom.<ref>{{-|Bernard Comrie and Greville G. Corbett, ''The Slavonic Languages,'' Taylor & Francis, 2002, p. 29.}}</ref> Na crkovnoslovjanskom jezyku glagolica imenuje se {{lang|cu|кѷрїлловица}} (kirillovica). == Rody == V těčenju stolětji glagolica razvila se v mnoge rody: jest krugla glagolica, v něktoryh jezykah jej nazva jest «obla glagolica». Vse najstarějše glagolične teksty iz tako zvanogo «starocrkovnoslovjanskogo kanona» sut pisane v krugloj glagolici (Kijevsky Misal, Assemansky Kodeks i druge). Jest i rod tako zvanoj «hrvatskoj vuglastoj glagolice», upotrěbjanoj v hrvatskoj rimsko-slovjanskoj liturgiji, a takože «hrvatskoj rukopisnoj glagolice». Sut takože različne prohodne i měšane formy glagolice, napriklad zapis na doskě iz Bašky ima različne osoblive formy bukv i někogdy takože latinske litery napr. O, M, N zaměsto glagoličskyh Ⱁ, Ⰿ, Ⱀ<ref>Snimka iz Wikimedia Commons: [[:File:Bascanska_ploca.jpg]] Spis bukv iz dosky iz Bašky: http://www.croatianhistory.net/etf/baska.html</ref>. Takože forma pisanja jerov i bukvy Zemlja (Ⰸ) i drugyh bukv napr. v Kyjevskom misalu i Asemanskom kodeksu jest nemnogo ina.<ref>Sravnite sobě stranicu glagolice iz Asemanskogo Kodeksa [[:File:CodexVaticanusSlavicus3Gagoliticus.jpg]] i stranice iz Kyjevskogo Misala https://www.wdl.org/en/item/7488/view/1/13/</ref> == Pravopis == Glagolica ne iměla jednogo, redovnogo i točnogo pravopisa. Pisanje sloves zavisělo često od pisatelja i dialekta, pisatelji upotrěbjali takože različne označenja(točky, linije i druge) dnes malo razumlive, ne pisali odstupov medžu slovami, interpunkcija byla mnogo bědna (bez ekvivalentov znakov . , !). Na priměr, dva slova "běsy izgonite" v Kodeksě Marianskom sut pisane "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" v Kodeksě Zografskom sut "ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰺⰸⰳⱁⱀⰻⱅⰵ" i v Kodeksě Asemanskom "Ⰱⱑⱄⱏⰹ ⰻ̄ⰸⰳⱁⱀⰹⱅⰵ". Razliky v pravopisě sut često v bukvah Ⰺ, Ⰻ, Ⰹ<ref> Zrite Evangelij Mateja, děl 10, linija 8. K. Mariansky: http://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/marianus/maria.htm K. Asemansky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/asseman/assem.htm K. Zografsky: http://titus.fkidg1.uni-frankfurt.de/texte/etcs/slav/aksl/zograph/zogra.htm </ref> i v jih sostavjenjah s jerami, napr. ⱏⰹ, ⱏⰻ, ⱐⰹ. Takože pisanje jerov tvrdogo i mękkogo i nasalov bylo različno: ove zvųky pomalo izčezali v rodnyh, městnyh jezykah. Něktore bukvy byli mnogo rědke i s nejasnom značenjem, napr. tako zovana bukva «hlъmъ», ona byla pisana jedino v slově ⱒⰾⱏⰿⱏ i jedino v něktoryh rukopisah.<ref> ''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 172</ref> Koristili tož mnoge skraćenja i s tako zvanym ''titlom'' ҃ i ine.<ref>''Dawn of the Slavic: an introduction to the Slavic philology,'' A. Schenker, stranica 181-182</ref> == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://slovjani.info/archive/2018-2.pdf Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] — članok v časopisu Slovjani.info ** [http://slovjani.info/archive/2019-1.pdf Erratum — Moderno glagoljičsko pravopisanje] {{Prěvod|en|Glagolitic script|revizija=833141620}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q145625}} 4zoznm4ukucr29okj2t8tjizjvlp2u0 Hantyjsky jezyk 0 967 27092 6640 2026-06-25T14:53:44Z Ilja isv 10 27092 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Hantyjsky jezyk | nativename = * {{Jezyky|kca|Ханты ясаӈ}} | image = 6-Ob Ugric-languages.png | imagecaption = Hantyjsky i mansijsky jezyky v načelu XX stolětja<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Rantanen |first1=Timo |last2=Tolvanen |first2=Harri |last3=Roose |first3=Meeli |last4=Ylikoski |first4=Jussi |last5=Vesakoski |first5=Outi |date=2022-06-08 |title=Best practices for spatial language data harmonization, sharing and map creation—A case study of Uralic |journal=PLOS ONE |language=en |volume=17 |issue=6 |pages=e0269648 |doi=10.1371/journal.pone.0269648 |doi-access=free |bibcode=2022PLoSO..1769648R }}</ref><ref>Rantanen, Timo, Vesakoski, Outi, Ylikoski, Jussi, & Tolvanen, Harri. (2021). ''Geographical database of the Uralic languages'' (v1.0) [Data set]. Zenodo. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.4784188</ref> | states = Rosija | speakers = 9584 (2010) / 14 000 (2020)<ref name="rosstat-2020"/> | ref = | script = * [[kirilica]] ([[hantyjska pismennost]]) | official = [[Hanty-Mansijsky avtonomny okrug]], [[Jamalo-Nenečsky avtonomny okrug]] | agency = | iso1 = | iso3 = kca | family = * [[Uralske jezyky]] ** [[Ugrofinske jezyky]] *** [[Ugrske jezyky]] **** [[Obsko-ugrske jezyky]] | GOST 7.75–97 = han 760 }} '''Hantyjsky jezyk''' ([[Russky jezyk|rus.]] ''ostjacky'')<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://feb-web.ru/feb/litenc/encyclop/le8/le8-3741.htm |title=Literaturna enciklopedija |access-date=2009-08-14 |archive-date=2022-03-03 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220303064842/http://feb-web.ru/feb/LITENC/ENCYCLOP/le8/le8-3741.htm |url-status=live }}</ref> — jezyk [[Hanty|Hantov]] — [[Korenne maločisljene narody Sěvera, Siberje i Dalekogo Iztoka Rosijskoj Federacije|maločislnjego naroda]] [[Zapadna Siberja|Zapadnoj Siberiji]], živučih po basenam pritokov [[Obj (rěka)|Obje]] i [[Irtyš (rěka)|Irtyša]] i po samoj Obi v jejnom srědnjem i nižnjem tečenjah. Odnosi se k [[Ugrske jezyky|ugrskym jezykam]] iz ([[Obsko-ugrske jezyky|obsko-ugrskyh]]) [[Ugrofinske jezyky|ugrofinskyh]] jezykov [[Uralske jezyky|uralskoj jezyčnoj rodiny]]; jest srodny [[Mansijsky jezyk|mansijskomu]] i [[Madjarsky jezyk|madjarskomu]] jezykam. Po danym prěpisa 2002 goda, čislnost hantov sostavjala 28,7 tys. ljudij. Osnovna jih masa žije v [[Hanty-Mansijsky avtonomny okrug|Hanty-Mansijskom]] (kromě jego zapadnyh rajonov, zaseljenyh [[Mansi]]) i [[Jamalo-Nenečsky avtonomny okrug|Jamalo-Nenečskom]] avtonomnyh okrugah (25,9 tys. ljudij), ostali — na sěvero-zapadu [[Tomska oblast|Tomskoj oblasti]]. Čislnost Hantov na proteženju XX stolětja ostavaje se vyše ili menje stabilnoju, ale kolikost hantov, uvažajučih hantyjsky jezyk rodnym, se značno izmenšala s godami: v 1959-m godu jih bylo 77 % pri naseljenju v 19 410 ljudij, v 1970-m — 68,9 % (od 21 138 ljudij), a v 1989-m — 60,5 %. Raste poděl hantov, vladajučih [[Russky jezyk|russkym jezykom]] (kako prvogo, tako i vtorogo jezyka): 70,3 % v 1959 i 89,4 % v 1989 godah. Prěpis 2020 goda pokazal povyšanje kolikosti nositeljev na 4416 ljudij v sravnjenju s 2010 godom<ref name="rosstat-2020">{{Cite web |title=Rosstat — Itogy VPN-2020. Tom 5 Nacionalny sostav i vladěnje jezykami. Tablica 6. Naseljenje po rodnomu jezyku. |url=https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab6_VPN-2020.xlsx |access-date=2024-02-04 |archive-date=2023-02-13 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230213173532/https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab7_VPN-2020.xlsx |url-status=live }}</ref>. [[Hantyjska pismennost|Pismennost hantov]] — na osnově kirilice. Hantyjsky jezyk jest prědmetom izučanja v [[Načelna škola|načelnyh klasah školy]]; izdajut se [[Novina (članok)|noviny]]. Po svojemu stroju to jest, kako i druge [[Ugrofinske jezyky|ugrofinske]], [[Aglutinativne jezyky|aglutinativny jezyk]]. == Dialekty == [[Fajl:Khanty Mansi dialects.svg|thumb|270px|Dialekty hantyjskogo i mansijskogo jezykov: {{Legend|Yellow|obdorsky,}} {{Legend|Orange|priobske,}} {{Legend|Red|južne (irtyšske),}} {{Legend|Turquoise|surgutske,}} {{Legend|LimeGreen|vozhodne (vahovsko-vasjuganske).}}]] Hantyjsky jezyk jest znany svojeju vyraženoju [[Dialektologija|dialektnoju razdrobljenostju]]. Teritorialno směžne govory i dialekty sut blizke medžu soboju, ale krajne točky [[Kontinuum (lingvistika)|dialektnogo kontinuuma]] imajut različja, ktore izključajut [[vzajemno razuměnje]] nositeljev tyh dialektov. Bezspornym jest vyděljenje dvoh grup [[dialekt]]ov (narěčij): zapadne (vlastno hantyjske), podrazděljeme na [[Sěvernohantyjsky jezyk|sěverne]] (govory obdorskoj grupy (obdorsky) i govory priobskoj grupy: šuryškarsky, berezovsky, kazymsky, srědnjeobsky)<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.dissercat.com/content/imya-chislitelnoe-v-dialektakh-khantyiskogo-yazyka-sopostavitelnyi-aspekt |title=Disertacija na temu «Ime čislovne v dialektah hantyjskogo jezyka: sopostaviteljny aspekt» |access-date=2012-06-19 |archive-date=2012-04-27 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120427221107/http://www.dissercat.com/content/imya-chislitelnoe-v-dialektakh-khantyiskogo-yazyka-sopostavitelnyi-aspekt |url-status=live }}</ref> i [[Južnohantyjsky jezyk|južne]] (irtyšsky, kondinsky, demjansky — mrtve dialekty), i [[Vozhodnohantyjsky jezyk|vozhodne]] (ili kantykske — po samonazvanju vozhodnyh hantov), v tom čislě govory surgutskoj grupy: trom-agansky, agansky, jugansky, pimsky. Učitavajuči odsutstvje literaturnoj normy i leksično razhoženje medžu dialektami, sut osnovanja govoriti o hantyjskoj podgrupě obsko-ugrskyh jezykov, vključajučoj tri jezyky: [[Sěvernohantyjsky jezyk|vlastno hantyjsky (sěverny)]], [[Južnohantyjsky jezyk|handejsky (južny)]] i [[Vozhodnohantyjsky jezyk|kantyksky (vozhodny)]]<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Korjakov |first=Ju. B. |date=2017 |title=Problem «jezyk ili dialekt» i popytka leksikostatičnogo podhoda |journal=Pytanja jezykoznanja |issue=6 |pages=94 |url=https://vja.ruslang.ru/ru/archive/2017-6/79-101}}</ref>. == Pismennost == [[Fajl:Kornika Tago en la Arkeologia muzeo ĉe lago Andrejevskoje (2024) 02.jpg|thumb|270px|Nadpis hantyjskoju kiriliceju]] [[Fajl:Lyantor museum.jpg|thumb|270px|Nadpis hantyjskoju kiriliceju na vhodě v [[Ljantor]]sky muzej]] Prve popytky stvorjenja [[Pismennost|pismennogo varianta]] hantyjskogo jezyka, prodolžavše se až do načela XX stolětja, odnoset se k 1868 godu, kogda byl izdany prěvod [[Evangelje od Matfeja|Evangelja od Mateja]] na berezovsko-obdorskom dialektě. Pismennost na osnově [[Latinsky alfabet|latinice]] byla sostavljena v 1930-yh godah dlja obdorskogo i kazymskogo dialektov, a v 1937 godu — prěvedena na [[Kirilica|kirilicu]]. Jedinogo literaturnogo varianta jezyka ne povstalo; v nastoječe vrěme pismennost jestvuje na četyreh dialektah. Sumarny hantyjsky alfabet dlja četyreh dialektov (od 2000 goda)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Koškareva |first=N. B. |date=2013 |title=Aktualne pytanja sovršenstvovanja hantyjskoj grafiky i ortografije |journal=Věstnik ugrovedenja |issue=3 |pages=52—72}}</ref>: {| style="font-size:1.4em; border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#F8F8EF; white-space: nowrap;" | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | А а | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӓ ӓ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӑ ӑ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Б б | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | В в | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Г г | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Д д | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Е е |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ё ё | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ә ә | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӛ ӛ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ж ж | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | З з | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | И и | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Й й | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | К к |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Қ қ (Ӄ ӄ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Л л | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ԯ ԯ (Ԓ ԓ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | М м | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Н н | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ң ң (Ӈ ӈ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Н' н' | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | О о |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӧ ӧ (Ŏ ŏ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ө ө | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӫ ӫ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | П п | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Р р | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | С с | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Т т | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | У у |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӱ ӱ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ў ў | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ф ф | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Х х | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ҳ ҳ (Ӽ ӽ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ц ц | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ч ч | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ҷ ҷ |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ш ш | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Щ щ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ъ ъ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ы ы | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ь ь | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Э э | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Є є | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Є̈ є̈ |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ю ю | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ю̆ ю̆ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Я я | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Я̆ я̆ |} {| class="wikitable" |- ! Sovrěmenna kirilica ! Nazvanje bukvy ! [[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|MFA]] |- | А а || ''a'' || ɑ |- | Ӓ ӓ || ''ӓ'' || |- | Ӑ ӑ || ''ӑ'' || |- | Б б || ''be'' || b |- | В в || ''ve'' || w, v |- | Г г || ''ge'' || ɣ, ɡ |- | Д д || ''de'' || d |- | Е е || ''je'' || je, ʲe |- | Ё ё || ''jo'' || jo, ʲo |- | Ә ә || ''ә'' || ə̱ |- | Ӛ ӛ || ''ӛ'' || ɘ |- | Ж ж || ''že'' || ʒ |- | З з || ''ze'' || z |- | И и || ''i'' || i, ʲi |- | Й й || || j |- | К к || ''ka'' || k |- | Қ қ (Ӄ ӄ) || ''qа'' || q |- | Л л || ''el'' || ɫ, lʲ |- | Ԯ ԯ (Ԓ ԓ) || ''еł̦'' || ɬ |- | М м || ''em'' || m |- | Н н || ''en'' || n, nʲ |- | Ң ң (Ӈ ӈ) || ''еŋ'' || ŋ |- | Н' н' || ''en''' || ɳ |- | О о || ''o'' || o |- | Ӧ ӧ (Ŏ ŏ) || ''ӧ'' || ø |- | Ө ө || ''ө'' || ө̱ |- | Ӫ ӫ || ''ӫ'' || ɵ~ɞ |- | П п || ''pe'' || p |- | Р р || ''er'' || r |- | С с || ''es'' || s, ɕ |- | Т т || ''te'' || t, tʲ |- | У у || ''u'' || u |- | Ӱ ӱ || ''ü'' || y |- | Ў ў || ''ǔ'' || w |- | Ф ф || ''ef'' || f |- | Х х || ''ha'' || x |- | Ҳ ҳ (Ӽ ӽ) || ''ħа'' || χ |- | Ц ц || ''ce'' || ts |- | Ч ч || ''če'' || tɕ |- | Ҷ ҷ || ''ćе'' || tʃ |- | Ш ш || ''ša'' || ʃ |- | Щ щ || ''šča'' || ɕ, ɕː |- | Ъ ъ || || |- | Ы ы || ''y'' || ə, i |- | Ь ь || || ʲ |- | Э э || ''e'' || e |- | Є є || ''є'' || ě |- | Є̈ є̈ || ''є̈'' || |- | Ю ю || ''ju'' || ju, ʲu |- | Ю̆ ю̆ || ''јǔ'' || |- | Я я || ''ja'' || ja, ʲa |- | Я̆ я̆ || ''јӑ'' || |} == Lingvistična harakteristika == === Fonetika i fonologija === Da by uslyšati zapis zvučanja hantyjskogo jezyka, [https://finugorbib.com/audio/aud_khanty.html natisnite tu]; priměry izgovora izkazov na hantyjskom jezyku (s prěvodom) [https://translation.ouipiir.ru/han_kaz možno jest uslyšati tu]. V [[Fonetika|fonetikě]] hantyjskogo jezyka vyděljajut 8 [[Samoglasky|samoglasnyh]] i 18 [[Suglasky|suglasnyh]] zvukov (kazymsky dialekt). Slěduje različati samoglasky prvogo i neprvyh [[slog]]ov. Tako, samoglasky prvogo sloga sut bolje četke i jasne; one mogut byti [[Dolge i kratke samoglasky|dolgimi]]: ''а'', ''э'', ''о'', ''ә'', i kratkimi: ''ӓ'', ''и'', ''ө'', ''у''<ref name=":2">{{Cite book |last=Honti |first=László |title=ObUgrian. The Uralic Languages |year=1998 |language=en |pages=338}}</ref>. Dolgota samoglasky često igraje smyslorazličajuču rolj, napriměr: '''''А'''с'' «Ob» ― '''''ӓ'''с'' «samka»; ''ш'''а'''нш'' «kolěno» ― ''ш'''ӓ'''нш'' «spina». V neprvyh slogah često strěčaje se [[Redukcija (lingvistika)|redukovana]] superkratka samoglaska, označajema bukvoju ''ы''. ==== Suglasky ==== {| class="wikitable" |+ Suglasne zvuky kazymskogo dialekta<ref name=":2" /> ! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | ! rowspan="2" | [[Gubno-gubne suglasky|Gubno-gubne]] ! colspan="2" | [[Zubne suglasky|Zubne]] ! rowspan="2" | [[Retrofleksne suglasky|Retrofleksne]] ! rowspan="2" | [[Palatalne suglasky|Palatalne]] ! rowspan="2" | [[Zadnjejezyčne suglasky|Zadnjejezyčne]] |- ! Proste ! [[Palatalizacija|Palatalizovane]] |- ! colspan="2" | [[Nosove suglasky|Nosove]] | m || n || nʲ || ɳ || || ŋ |- ! colspan="2" | [[Eksplozivne suglasky|Eksplozivne]] | p || t || || || || k |- ! rowspan="2" | [[Frikativne suglasky|Frikativne]] ! centralne | || s || sʲ || ʂ || || x |- ! [[Bokove suglasky|bočne]] | || ɬ || ɬʲ || || || |- ! rowspan="2" | [[Aproksimanty]] ! centralne | w || || || || j || |- ! bočne | || l || || || || |- ! colspan="2" | [[Vibrantne suglasky|Vibrantne]] | || r || || || || |} Někotore suglasne zvuky ne mogut tvoriti [[Stečenje suglaskov|stečenij]]; ako pri [[sufiks]]aciji take nedopustime stečenje dolžno vyniknuti, to jedin iz suglaskov libo vypadaje, libo medžu njimi vynikaje redukovany samoglasny zvuk. Suglasky ''с'', ''х'', ''ш'', ''ӆ'' v položenju medžu samoglaskami mogut stavati zvučnymi. ==== Udarenje ==== [[Udarenje]] v hantyjskom skoro vsegda padaje na prvy slog<ref>{{Cite book |last=Estill |first=Dennis |title=Diachronic change in Erzya word stress |year=2004 |location=Helsinki |publisher=Finno-Ugrian Society |pages=179 |isbn=952-5150-80-1}}</ref>; v mnogosložnyh slovah mogut pojavljati se vtorostepenne udarenja, padajuče na jedin iz neparnyh slogov (čestěje na tretji). === Morfologija === V hantyjskom odsutstvuje [[Rod (lingvistika)|kategorija gramatičnogo roda]], [[prědlog]]am obyčno odgovarjajut [[poslělog]]y, napriměr: ''Ма Ас пэла мансөм'' («Ja k Obi pošel jesm»), gde ''Ас'' — «Ob», a [[poslělog]] ''пэла'' — «k». Dlja označenja prinaležnosti prědmeta k kakoj-libo osobě koristajut se [[Prisvojiteljne afiksy|osobno-prisvojiteljne sufiksy]]. Vyděljajut 3 [[Gramatično čislo|čisla]]: [[Jednina|jedninu]], [[Množina|množinu]] i [[Dvojina|dvojinu]], napriměr: ''пух мӓныс'' («hlapčik ušel»), ''пухы мӓнсаңын'' («hlapčiki (dvoje) ušli»), ''пухыт мӓнсыт'' («hlapčiki ušli»). [[Padež]]ev vyděljaje se do 11<ref>{{Cite book |last=Nikolaeva |first=Irina Alekseevna |title=Ostyak. Languages of the world |year=1999 |publisher=Materials. Lincom Europa |isbn=3-89586-562-1}}</ref>. === Sintaksa === Obyčny [[Tipologija poredka slov|poredok slov]] v hantyjskom jezyku — [[Tipologija poredka slov|SOV]] ([[podležače]] — [[Dopolnjenje (sintaksa)|dopolnjenje]] — [[skazujemo]])<ref>{{Cite book |last=Grenoble |first=Lenore A. |title=Language Policy in the Soviet Union |year=2003 |publisher=Springer |pages=14 |isbn=978-1-4020-1298-3}}</ref>. === Leksika === Soglasno izslědovanju 1972 goda, [[Leksika|slovnikovy sostav]] hantyjskogo jezyka byl slědujuči<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Schiefer |first=Erhard |year=1972 |title=Wolfgang Steinitz. Dialektologisches und etymologisches Wörterbuch der ostjakischen Sprache |journal=Études Finno-Ougriennes |volume=9 |pages=161–171}}</ref>: {| class="wikitable" |- | rowspan="4" | [[Iskonne slovo|Iskonne slova]] || rowspan="4" | 30 % || [[Uralske jezyky|Uralskogo]] proishoženja || 5 % |- | [[Ugrofinske jezyky|Ugrofinskyh]] || 9 % |- | [[Ugrske jezyky|Ugrskogo]] || 3 % |- | [[Obsko-ugrske jezyky|Obsko-ugrskogo]] || 13 % |- | rowspan="4" | [[Zaimstvovanje|Zaimstvovanja]] || rowspan="4" | 28 % || Iz [[Komi jezyk|komi]] || 7 % |- | Iz [[Samodijske jezyky|samodijskyh jezykov]] ([[Selkupske jezyky|selkupske]] i [[Nenečsky jezyk|nenečsky]]) || 3 % |- | Iz [[Tatarsky jezyk|tatarskogo]] || 10 % |- | Iz russkogo || 8 % |- | Slova neznanogo proishoženja || 40 % || |} Izslědovanje 1975 goda takože prědpolagaje prisutstvje zaimstvovanij iz [[Tungusko-mančžurske jezyky|tungusko-mančžurskyh jezykov]] — v osnovnom, [[Evenkijsky jezyk|evenkijskogo]]<ref>{{Cite book |last=Futaky |first=István |year=1975 |title=Tungusische Lehnwörter des Ostjakischen |publisher=Harrassowitz Verlag |location=Wiesbaden}}</ref>. Osnovnym načinom [[Slovotvorjenje|slovotvorjenja]] jest [[sufiksacija]]. [[Glagol]]y v hantyjskom jezyku, kako i v drugyh ugrskyh, mogut iměti [[Prědrastka (lingvistika)|prědrastky]]. == Historija izučanja == Sistematične izučanje hantyjskogo jezyka načelo se v XIX stolětju, kogda ekspediciju v města proživanja hanty i mansi sovršil madjarsky izslědovatelj {{LatCyr|Antal Reguli|Антал Регули||1}}. Odnak do togo ruske poseljenci iměli opyt občenja s ostjakami i vogulami, s ktoryh oni sbirali danj, v tečenju nekoliko prědhodečih věkov; takože jezyk interesoval pravoslavnyh hristijanskyh sveščenikov. Znane hantyvedy: * [[Antal Reguli|{{LatCyr|Antal Reguli|Антал Регули|Antal Reguli|1}}]] * [[Kusta Karjalajnen|{{LatCyr|Kustaa Fredrik Karjalainen|Куста Карялайнен|Kusta Karjalajnen|1}}]] * [[Hatanzejev, Petr Jefimovič|Petr Jefimovič Hatanzejev]] * [[Volfgang Štejnic|{{LatCyr|Wolfgang Steinitz|Вольфганг Штейниц|Volfgang Štejnic|1}}]] * [[Tereškin, Nikolaj Ivanovič|Nikolaj Ivanovič Tereškin]] * [[Russkaja, Julija Nikolajevna|Julija Nikolajevna Russkaja]] * [[Životikov, Pavel Kuzmič|Pavel Kuzmič Životikov]] * [[Kaksin, Andrej Danilovič|Andrej Danilovič Kaksin]] * [[Koškareva, Natalja Borisovna|Natalja Borisovna Koškareva]] * [[Solovar, Valentina Nikolajevna|Valentina Nikolajevna Solovar]] === Razrabotka literaturnoj normy === V 1898—1902 godah sborom hantyjskoj [[Leksika|leksiki]] v Siberji ([[Tobolsk]], [[Tomsk]]) zanimal se finsky učeny {{LatCyr|Kustaa Fredrik Karjalainen|Куста Карялайнен|Kusta Karjalajnen|1}}. Zato že k vrěmeni [[Ustanovjenje sovětskoj vlasti v Rosiji|ustanovjenja Sovětskoj vlasti v Rosiji]] pismennosti u [[Korenne narody Sěvera|korennyh narodov Sěvera]] ne jestvovalo, uže v 1919 g. pri oddělě prosvěčenja nacionalnyh menšinstv [[Narkompros RSFSR|Narkomprosa RSFSR]] byla organizovana redakcijna kolegija dlja razrabotky alfabetov dlja tyh narodov, a v 1922 godu bylo prijato rěšenje o stvorjenju pismennosti dlja narodnostij Sěvera, dlja čego byla obrazovana specialna komisija iz prědstaviteljev [[Narodny komisariat po dělom nacionalnostij RSFSR|Narkomata nacionalnostij]], Narkomprosa, [[Akademija nauk SSSR|Akademije nauk]], najvelikših jezykovědov i etnografov<ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Čumak |first=Jelena Grigorjevna |date=2006 |title=Proces stanovljenja pismennosti i razrabotky učebnikov na rodnyh jezykah v Hanty-Mansijskom okrugu v 20-50-e gg. XX věka |journal=Věstnik arheologije, antropologije i etnografije |issue=6 |pages=194–199 |issn=1811-7465 |url=https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/protsess-stanovleniya-pismennosti-i-razrabotki-uchebnikov-na-rodnyh-yazykah-v-hanty-mansiyskom-okruge-v-20-50-e-gg-hh-veka |archive-date=2022-08-15 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220815143424/https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/protsess-stanovleniya-pismennosti-i-razrabotki-uchebnikov-na-rodnyh-yazykah-v-hanty-mansiyskom-okruge-v-20-50-e-gg-hh-veka}}</ref>. === Prve učebniky === V načelu 1921 g. Sibirsky odděl narodnogo obrazovanja, organizovany 25 januara 1920 g., objavil srěd učiteljev iz srědy korennogo naseljenja, rabotajučih v nacionalnyh školah, konkurs na razrabotku najlěpšego učebnika na rodnom jezyku učenikov. Paralelno po rěšenju Narkomprosa i Komiteta Sěvera v 1925 g. načeli razrabotku specialnogo bukvarja i knigy dlja čitanja dlja obučenja dětij russkomu jezyku, ktory po stroju i leksikě silno odličal se od hantyjskogo<ref name=":1" />. V 1926 g. pojavili se prve prigotovjene entuziastami bukvari na nacionalnyh jezykah, prvonačelno izgotovjene ručno. V 1928—1930 gg. bukvari načeli vypuskati tipografskym sposobom, poslě čego byla načeta planoměrna rabota po razrabotkě program i kompletov učebnikov na jezykah narodov Sěvera dlja načelnyh škol, a takože metodičnoj literatury dlja učiteljev<ref name=":1" />. V 1927/28 učebnom godu {{LatCyr|Vladimir Germanovič Bogoraz|Владимир Германович Богораз|1}} i {{LatCyr|Sergej Nikolajevič Stebnicky|Сергей Николаевич Стебницкий|1}} sostavili prvy russky bukvar dlja vsih škol Sěvera, objemom 129 stranic. V to že vrěme N. I. Leonov i P. E. Ostrovsky vypustili knigu «Naš Sěver» objemom 180 stranic dlja tuzemnyh škol RSFSR<ref name=":1" />. === Razrabotka alfabeta === V oktobru 1929 g. Komisija nacionalnyh jezykov i kultur Sěvernogo fakulteta [[Leningradsky institut živyh vozhodnyh jezykov|Leningradskogo instituta živyh vozhodnyh jezykov]] prijela Jediny sěverny alfabet na latinicě, ktory sostojal iz 32 bukv, v kombinaciji s [[Diakritične znaky|diakritičnymi znakami]], dozvaljajučimi prědavati na pismě fonemy jezykov sěvernyh narodov<ref name=":1" />. V dekembru 1930 g. učeni prědstavili novy projekt alfabeta, takože latinskogo, iz 39 bukv (29 suglasnyh, 10 samoglasnyh) s dodanjem znakov, označajučih smekčenje, dolgotu i pridyhanje. On byl utvrdženy v 1931 g. Vsesojuznym Komitetom novogo alfabeta pri Prězidijumu Sověta Nacionalnostij CIK SSSR i Kolegijeju Narkomprosa SSSR<ref name=":1" />. V to že vrěme načelo se stvorjenje novyh učebnikov na osnově prědloženogo alfabeta. V 1930 g. na obdorskom govorě sěvernoj grupy izšel prvy hantyjsky bukvar «Hanty-kniga», sostavljeny učitelem [[Hatanzejev, Petr Jefimovič|P. Je. Hatanzejevym]]<ref name=":1" />. Kogda v 1932 godu Prězidijum VCIK prijel postanovljenje o nacionalno-teritorialnom rajonirovanii Krajnjego Sěvera i obrazovanju tam nacionalnyh okrugov i rajonov, na Prvoj Vserossijskoj konferenciji po razvitju jezykov i pismennosti narodov Sěvera byl utvrdženy projekt stvorjenja nacionalnyh literaturnyh jezykov dlja četyrinadseti narodnostij, v tom čislě hanty, [[mansi]], [[Nenci|nencev]], izdanja učebnikov i bukvarev na tyh jezykah<ref name=":1" />. V 1933 g. izšli bukvar Kargara, sostavljeny na [[kazym]]skom govorě hantyjskogo jezyka, prěvody prvoj česti knigy dlja čitanja Šuleva i učebnika aritmetiky Popovoj<ref name=":1" />. V dekembru 1933 g. po prizyvu [[Narkompros RSFSR|Narkomprosa RSFSR]] grupu studentov fakulteta russkogo jezyka i literatury [[Tomsky industrialny pedagogičny institut|Tomskogo industrialnogo pedagogičnogo instituta]], v tom čislě [[Životikov, Pavel Kuzmič|P. K. Životikova]], napravili na vysše pedagogične kursy Leningradskogo pedagogičnogo instituta im. A. I. Gercena dlja izučanja hantyjskogo jezyka. Lětom 1934 g. tuti studenty otpravili se na prěpodavatelsku rabotu. Životikov po okončanju kursov byl napravljeny v [[Ostjako-Vogulsky pedagogičny tehnikum]], kdě prěpodaval russky i hantyjsky jezyky, literaturu, prodolžal izslědovanja i sistematizaciju hantyjskogo jezyka, stvoril i vozglavil kružok nacionalnogo tvorčestva<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |url=https://ugra-news.ru/article/ot_moey_raboty_est/ |title=«Od mojej raboty jest polza». O Pavlu Životikově — organizatoru školnogo obrazovanja v Jugrě |author=Olga Maslova |website=ugra-news.ru |date=2019-07-19 |access-date=2022-08-15}}</ref>. V 1933—1934 gg. izšli prve prigotovjene naučnymi sutrudnikami i prěpodavateljami [[Institut narodov Sěvera|Instituta narodov Sěvera]] knigy dlja čitanja i učebniky gramatiky<ref name=":1" />. V 1934 g. na sověščanju prědstaviteljev Komitetov novogo alfabeta narodov Sěvera, Narkomprosa RSFSR i Komiteta Sěvera pri Prězidijumu VCIK po pytanjam razvitja pismennosti na nacionalnyh jezykah v Moskvě vyjavilo se, že latinica stvorjaje trudnosti v koristanju literatury. V 1935 g. prězidijum Ostjako-Vogulskogo okružnogo izpolniteljnogo komiteta prijel postanovljenje «O prěhodu pismennosti hantyjskogo i mansijskogo alfabeta na russku osnovu», realizovane v fevruaru 1937 g.<ref name=":1" /> === Izbor dialektnoj osnovy i pytanja normalizacije === [[Fajl:Khanty alphabet book.pdf|thumb|230px|Hantyjska abeceda Suhotinoj]] V 1937 g. [[Institut narodov Sěvera]] vypustil sbornik «Jezyky i pismennost narodov Sěvera» s člankom {{LatCyr|Wolfgang Steinitz|Вольфганга Штейница|Volfganga Štejnica|1}}, davajučim morfologičny očrk hantyjskogo jezyka (polnovatsky govor sěvernoj grupy), čto položilo načelo izslědovanju jego dialektov<ref name=":1" />. Od 1937 goda načelo se prěizdavanje vsej literatury, izšedšej raněje na sěvernyh jezykah. Unifikacija išla po srědnje-obskom dialektu. V 1938 g. na kirilicě izšel bukvar Zalcberg, a zatem bukvar Suhotinoj, v 1939-m — prva kniga dlja čitanja<ref name=":1" />. V osnovu literaturnogo jezyka postanovljenjem bjura Hanty-Mansijskogo okružkoma VKP(b) v 1940 godu byl položen srědninny srědnje-obsky (kazymsky) dialekt, odnak na konferenciji učiteljev (10.07.1940 g.) bylo rěšeno razrabotyvati pismennost i dlja vahovskogo dialekta<ref name=":1" />. Takym obrazom, naličje dialektov v hantyjskom i v mansijskom jezykah sdělalo nevozmožnym koristanje jedinyh literaturnyh jezykov v procesu obučenja<ref name=":1" />. === Razrabotniki učebnikov hantyjskogo jezyka === * ''[[Hatanzejev, Petr Jefimovič|P. Je. Hatanzejev]].'' Hanty-kniga. Leningrad, 1930.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Malahova |first=Ljudmila Petrovna |date=2017 |title=Prosvětiteljna rabota srěd hanty i mansi kako variant adaptacije k sovětskoj kulturě |journal=Věstnik Surgutskogo gosudarstvennogo pedagogičnogo universiteta |issue=4 (49) |pages=80–84 |issn=2078-7626 |url=https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/prosvetitelnaya-rabota-sredi-hanty-i-mansi-kak-variant-adaptatsii-k-sovetskoy-kulture |archive-date=2022-08-18 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220818110126/https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/prosvetitelnaya-rabota-sredi-hanty-i-mansi-kak-variant-adaptatsii-k-sovetskoy-kulture}}</ref> * ''Je. R. Suhotina.'' Bukvar. Leningrad: Učpedgiz, 1938.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://xn----dtbdzdfqbczhet1kob.xn--p1ai/2021/10/02/bukvar-na-hantyjskom-yazyke-1938-god/ |title=Bukvar na hantyjskom jezyku, 1938 god |author=Andrej Rjabov |date=2021-10-02 |access-date=2022-08-18 |archive-date=2022-08-18 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220818071810/http://xn----dtbdzdfqbczhet1kob.xn--p1ai/2021/10/02/bukvar-na-hantyjskom-yazyke-1938-god/ |url-status=live}}</ref> * ''[[Životikov, Pavel Kuzmič|P. K. Životikov]].'' «Očrk gramatiky hantyjskogo jezyka» (1942).<ref name=":1" /> * ''K. F. Hvataj-Muha, [[Aksarina, Nina Matvejevna|N. M. Aksarina]], G. A. Obatina.'' Bukvar. Izdanje 2-e, prěrabotane, pod redakcijeju [[Russkaja, Julija Nikolajevna|Ju. N. Russkoj]] (na jezyku kazymskyh hanty, dlja prigotoviteljnogo klasa hantyjskoj načelnoj školy). Leningrad: Prosvěčenje, 1973. — 128 s. == Koristanje jezyka v sovrěmennosti == === SMI na hantyjskom jezyku === Prve publikacije na hantyjskom jezyku pojavili se v novinah «[[Novosti Jugry|Ostjako-Vogulska pravda]]» v 1934 godu. Od 1957 goda v [[Hanty-Mansijsky avtonomny okrug — Jugra|HMAO]] izhodi hantyjezyčna novina «''Lenin pant huvat''» («Po leninskomu putju»), prěimenovana v 1991 godu v «''[[Hanty jasang]]''» («Hantyjske slovo»). Novina izhodi raz v tydenj: do načela 1970-yh — na 1 stranicě, a poslě — na 4 stranicah. V [[Jamalo-Nenečsky avtonomny okrug|Jamalo-Nenečskom avtonomnom okrugu]] na hantyjskom jezyku izhodi novina «''[[Luh avt]]''». Regularne radiověščanje na hantyjskom jezyku na radiju «[[Jugorija (teleradiokompanija)|Jugorija]]» načelo se v 1964 godu. Hantyjske prědačy dolgotnju 20 minut izhodet po ponedělkam, srědam i petnicam jutrom, v oběd i večerom. Na kanalu «[[Jugra (teleradiokompanija)|Jugra]]» takože jest analogična prědača. Na TRK «Jugorija» tvorče objedinjenje «Očag» vypuskaje teleprědačy na hantyjskom. === Sovrěmenna kultura na hantyjskom jezyku === Na jezyku publikujut se tvorby hantyjskyh pisateljev. Na surgutskom dialektě izdajut se pověsti [[Ajpin, Jeremej Danilovič|Je. D. Ajpina]], na kazymskom dialektě vypuskajut se tvorby [[Vagatova, Marija|M. Vagatovoj]], [[Šuljgin, Mikulj Ivanovič|M. I. Šuljgina]], [[Lazarev, Grigorij Dmitrijevič|G. D. Lazareva]] i [[Sengepov, Aleksej Mihajlovič|A. M. Sengepova]], a na šuryškarskom dialektě publikujut se poetične tvorby [[Rugin, Roman Prokopjevič|R. P. Rugina]] i [[Saltykov, Prokopij Jermolajevič|P. Je. Saltykova]].<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://irkipedia.ru/content/hantyyskiy_yazyk_istoricheskaya_enciklopediya_sibiri_2009 |title=Hantyjsky jezyk // «Historična enciklopedija Siberji» (2009) |website=IRKIPEDIJA |access-date=2021-12-17 |archive-date=2021-12-17 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211217032150/http://irkipedia.ru/content/hantyyskiy_yazyk_istoricheskaya_enciklopediya_sibiri_2009 |url-status=live}}</ref> Etno-rok-grupa «''[[H-Ural]]''» od 2009 g. izpolnjaje pěsni na šuryškarskom i srědnjeobskom dialektah hantyjskogo jezyka. Larisa Miljahova — hantyjska etnopěvica, izpolnjajuča tradicijne pěsni na šuryškarskom dialektě, uroženka Šuryškarskogo rajona Jamalo-Nenečskogo AO. Jestvuje hantyjska folklorna grupa «''Hatl naj''» (rukovoditelj — Vitjazeva Ljubov Gavrilovna), kolektivu v 2013 godu izpolnilo se 25 lět. V njej děti izpolnjajut pěsni na šuryškarskom dialektě hantyjskogo jezyka. == Literatura == * Štejnic V. K. 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SPb.: Hanty-Mansijsk, 2014. 385 s. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * [http://ouipiir.ru/ Centr izučanja hantyjskogo jezyka] * [https://postnauka.ru/longreads/156128 Sěvernohantyjsky jezyk: Dyhanjem větra jezyk ognja dunut] {{Uralske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Uralske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Hantyjsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Ugrske jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q33563}} {{Prěvod|ru|Хантыйский язык}} brididehxbitukhz5kn1f3wz17gs01s 27215 27092 2026-06-26T11:50:45Z Ilja isv 10 27215 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Hantyjsky jezyk | nativename = * {{Jezyky|kca|Ханты ясаӈ}} | image = 6-Ob Ugric-languages.png | imagecaption = Hantyjsky i mansijsky jezyky v načelu XX stolětja<ref>{{Cite journal |last1=Rantanen |first1=Timo |last2=Tolvanen |first2=Harri |last3=Roose |first3=Meeli |last4=Ylikoski |first4=Jussi |last5=Vesakoski |first5=Outi |date=2022-06-08 |title=Best practices for spatial language data harmonization, sharing and map creation—A case study of Uralic |journal=PLOS ONE |language=en |volume=17 |issue=6 |pages=e0269648 |doi=10.1371/journal.pone.0269648 |doi-access=free |bibcode=2022PLoSO..1769648R }}</ref><ref>Rantanen, Timo, Vesakoski, Outi, Ylikoski, Jussi, & Tolvanen, Harri. (2021). ''Geographical database of the Uralic languages'' (v1.0) [Data set]. Zenodo. https://doi.org/10.5281/zenodo.4784188</ref> | states = Rosija | speakers = 9584 (2010) / 14 000 (2020)<ref name="rosstat-2020"/> | ref = | script = * [[kirilica]] ([[hantyjska pismennost]]) | official = [[Hanty-Mansijsky avtonomny okrug]], [[Jamalo-Nenečsky avtonomny okrug]] | agency = | iso1 = | iso3 = kca | family = * [[Uralske jezyky]] ** [[Ugrofinske jezyky]] *** [[Ugrske jezyky]] **** [[Obsko-ugrske jezyky]] | GOST 7.75–97 = han 760 }} '''Hantyjsky jezyk''' ([[Russky jezyk|rus.]] ''ostjacky'')<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://feb-web.ru/feb/litenc/encyclop/le8/le8-3741.htm |title=Literaturna enciklopedija |access-date=2009-08-14 |archive-date=2022-03-03 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220303064842/http://feb-web.ru/feb/LITENC/ENCYCLOP/le8/le8-3741.htm |url-status=live }}</ref> — jezyk [[Hanty|Hantov]] — [[Korenne maločisljene narody Sěvera, Siberje i Dalekogo Iztoka Rosijskoj Federacije|maločislnjego naroda]] [[Zapadna Siberja|Zapadnoj Siberiji]], živučih po basenam pritokov [[Obj (rěka)|Obje]] i [[Irtyš (rěka)|Irtyša]] i po samoj Obi v jejnom srědnjem i nižnjem tečenjah. Odnosi se k [[Ugrske jezyky|ugrskym jezykam]] iz ([[Obsko-ugrske jezyky|obsko-ugrskyh]]) [[Ugrofinske jezyky|ugrofinskyh]] jezykov [[Uralske jezyky|uralskoj jezyčnoj rodiny]]; jest srodny [[Mansijsky jezyk|mansijskomu]] i [[Madjarsky jezyk|madjarskomu]] jezykam. Po danym prěpisa 2002 goda, čislnost hantov sostavjala 28,7 tys. ljudij. Osnovna jih masa žije v [[Hanty-Mansijsky avtonomny okrug|Hanty-Mansijskom]] (kromě jego zapadnyh rajonov, zaseljenyh [[Mansi]]) i [[Jamalo-Nenečsky avtonomny okrug|Jamalo-Nenečskom]] avtonomnyh okrugah (25,9 tys. ljudij), ostali — na sěvero-zapadu [[Tomska oblast|Tomskoj oblasti]]. Čislnost Hantov na proteženju XX stolětja ostavaje se vyše ili menje stabilnoju, ale kolikost hantov, uvažajučih hantyjsky jezyk rodnym, se značno izmenšala s godami: v 1959-m godu jih bylo 77 % pri naseljenju v 19 410 ljudij, v 1970-m — 68,9 % (od 21 138 ljudij), a v 1989-m — 60,5 %. Raste poděl hantov, vladajučih [[Russky jezyk|russkym jezykom]] (kako prvogo, tako i vtorogo jezyka): 70,3 % v 1959 i 89,4 % v 1989 godah. Prěpis 2020 goda pokazal povyšanje kolikosti nositeljev na 4416 ljudij v sravnjenju s 2010 godom<ref name="rosstat-2020">{{Cite web |title=Rosstat — Itogy VPN-2020. Tom 5 Nacionalny sostav i vladěnje jezykami. Tablica 6. Naseljenje po rodnomu jezyku. |url=https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab6_VPN-2020.xlsx |access-date=2024-02-04 |archive-date=2023-02-13 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230213173532/https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab7_VPN-2020.xlsx |url-status=live }}</ref>. [[Hantyjska pismennost|Pismennost hantov]] — na osnově kirilice. Hantyjsky jezyk jest prědmetom izučanja v [[Načelna škola|načelnyh klasah školy]]; izdajut se [[Novina (članok)|noviny]]. Po svojemu stroju toj jest, kako i druge [[Ugrofinske jezyky|ugrofinske]], [[Aglutinativne jezyky|aglutinativnym jezykom]]. == Dialekty == [[Fajl:Khanty Mansi dialects.svg|thumb|270px|Dialekty hantyjskogo i mansijskogo jezykov: {{Legend|Yellow|obdorsky,}} {{Legend|Orange|priobske,}} {{Legend|Red|južne (irtyšske),}} {{Legend|Turquoise|surgutske,}} {{Legend|LimeGreen|vozhodne (vahovsko-vasjuganske).}}]] Hantyjsky jezyk jest znany svojeju izraznoju [[Dialektologija|dialektnoju razdrobljenostju]]. Teritorialno susědne govory i dialekty sut blizke medžu soboju, ale krajne točky [[Kontinuum (lingvistika)|dialektnogo kontinuuma]] imajut razliky, ktore izključajut [[vzajemno razuměnje]] nositeljev tyh dialektov. Bezspornym jest uděljenje dvoh grup [[dialekt]]ov (narěčij): zapadne (vlastno hantyjske), podrazděljene na [[Sěvernohantyjsky jezyk|sěverne]] (govory obdorskoj grupy (obdorsky) i govory priobskoj grupy: šuryškarsky, berezovsky, kazymsky, srědnjeobsky)<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.dissercat.com/content/imya-chislitelnoe-v-dialektakh-khantyiskogo-yazyka-sopostavitelnyi-aspekt |title=Disertacija na temu «Ime čislovne v dialektah hantyjskogo jezyka: sopostaviteljny aspekt» |access-date=2012-06-19 |archive-date=2012-04-27 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120427221107/http://www.dissercat.com/content/imya-chislitelnoe-v-dialektakh-khantyiskogo-yazyka-sopostavitelnyi-aspekt |url-status=live }}</ref> i [[Južnohantyjsky jezyk|južne]] (irtyšsky, kondinsky, demjansky — mrtve dialekty), i [[Iztočnohantyjsky jezyk|iztočne]] (ili kantykske — po samonazvanju vozhodnyh hantov), v tom čislě govory surgutskoj grupy: trom-agansky, agansky, jugansky, pimsky. S obzirom na odsutstvo literaturnoj normy i leksično razhodženje medžu dialektami, sut osnovanja govoriti o hantyjskoj podgrupě obsko-ugrskyh jezykov, vključajučej tri jezyky: [[Sěvernohantyjsky jezyk|vlastno hantyjsky (sěverny)]], [[Južnohantyjsky jezyk|handejsky (južny)]] i [[Vozhodnohantyjsky jezyk|kantyksky (vozhodny)]]<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Korjakov |first=Ju. B. |date=2017 |title=Problem «jezyk ili dialekt» i popytka leksikostatičnogo podhoda |journal=Pytanja jezykoznanja |issue=6 |pages=94 |url=https://vja.ruslang.ru/ru/archive/2017-6/79-101}}</ref>. == Pismennost == [[Fajl:Kornika Tago en la Arkeologia muzeo ĉe lago Andrejevskoje (2024) 02.jpg|thumb|270px|Nadpis hantyjskoju kiriliceju]] [[Fajl:Lyantor museum.jpg|thumb|270px|Nadpis hantyjskoju kiriliceju na vhodě v [[Ljantor]]sky muzej]] Prve popytky stvorjenja [[Pismennost|pismennogo varianta]] hantyjskogo jezyka, prodolžavše se až do načela XX stolětja, odnoset se k 1868 godu, kogda byl izdany prěvod [[Evangelje od Matfeja|Evangelja od Mateja]] na berezovsko-obdorskom dialektě. Pismennost na osnově [[Latinsky alfabet|latinice]] byla sostavljena v 1930-yh godah dlja obdorskogo i kazymskogo dialektov, a v 1937 godu — prěvedena na [[Kirilica|kirilicu]]. Jedinogo literaturnogo varianta jezyka ne povstalo; v nastoječe vrěme pismennost jestvuje na četyreh dialektah. Sumarny hantyjsky alfabet dlja četyreh dialektov (od 2000 goda)<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Koškareva |first=N. B. |date=2013 |title=Aktualne pytanja sovršenstvovanja hantyjskoj grafiky i ortografije |journal=Věstnik ugrovedenja |issue=3 |pages=52—72}}</ref>: {| style="font-size:1.4em; border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#F8F8EF; white-space: nowrap;" | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | А а | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӓ ӓ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӑ ӑ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Б б | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | В в | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Г г | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Д д | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Е е |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ё ё | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ә ә | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӛ ӛ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ж ж | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | З з | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | И и | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Й й | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | К к |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Қ қ (Ӄ ӄ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Л л | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ԯ ԯ (Ԓ ԓ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | М м | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Н н | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ң ң (Ӈ ӈ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Н' н' | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | О о |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӧ ӧ (Ŏ ŏ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ө ө | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӫ ӫ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | П п | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Р р | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | С с | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Т т | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | У у |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ӱ ӱ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ў ў | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ф ф | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Х х | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ҳ ҳ (Ӽ ӽ) | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ц ц | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ч ч | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ҷ ҷ |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ш ш | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Щ щ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ъ ъ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ы ы | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ь ь | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Э э | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Є є | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Є̈ є̈ |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ю ю | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Ю̆ ю̆ | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Я я | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | Я̆ я̆ |} {| class="wikitable" |- ! Sovrěmenna kirilica ! Nazvanje bukvy ! [[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|MFA]] |- | А а || ''a'' || ɑ |- | Ӓ ӓ || ''ӓ'' || |- | Ӑ ӑ || ''ӑ'' || |- | Б б || ''be'' || b |- | В в || ''ve'' || w, v |- | Г г || ''ge'' || ɣ, ɡ |- | Д д || ''de'' || d |- | Е е || ''je'' || je, ʲe |- | Ё ё || ''jo'' || jo, ʲo |- | Ә ә || ''ә'' || ə̱ |- | Ӛ ӛ || ''ӛ'' || ɘ |- | Ж ж || ''že'' || ʒ |- | З з || ''ze'' || z |- | И и || ''i'' || i, ʲi |- | Й й || || j |- | К к || ''ka'' || k |- | Қ қ (Ӄ ӄ) || ''qа'' || q |- | Л л || ''el'' || ɫ, lʲ |- | Ԯ ԯ (Ԓ ԓ) || ''еł̦'' || ɬ |- | М м || ''em'' || m |- | Н н || ''en'' || n, nʲ |- | Ң ң (Ӈ ӈ) || ''еŋ'' || ŋ |- | Н' н' || ''en''' || ɳ |- | О о || ''o'' || o |- | Ӧ ӧ (Ŏ ŏ) || ''ӧ'' || ø |- | Ө ө || ''ө'' || ө̱ |- | Ӫ ӫ || ''ӫ'' || ɵ~ɞ |- | П п || ''pe'' || p |- | Р р || ''er'' || r |- | С с || ''es'' || s, ɕ |- | Т т || ''te'' || t, tʲ |- | У у || ''u'' || u |- | Ӱ ӱ || ''ü'' || y |- | Ў ў || ''ǔ'' || w |- | Ф ф || ''ef'' || f |- | Х х || ''ha'' || x |- | Ҳ ҳ (Ӽ ӽ) || ''ħа'' || χ |- | Ц ц || ''ce'' || ts |- | Ч ч || ''če'' || tɕ |- | Ҷ ҷ || ''ćе'' || tʃ |- | Ш ш || ''ša'' || ʃ |- | Щ щ || ''šča'' || ɕ, ɕː |- | Ъ ъ || || |- | Ы ы || ''y'' || ə, i |- | Ь ь || || ʲ |- | Э э || ''e'' || e |- | Є є || ''є'' || ě |- | Є̈ є̈ || ''є̈'' || |- | Ю ю || ''ju'' || ju, ʲu |- | Ю̆ ю̆ || ''јǔ'' || |- | Я я || ''ja'' || ja, ʲa |- | Я̆ я̆ || ''јӑ'' || |} == Lingvistična harakteristika == === Fonetika i fonologija === Da by uslyšati zapis zvučanja hantyjskogo jezyka, [https://finugorbib.com/audio/aud_khanty.html natisnite tu]; priměry izgovora izkazov na hantyjskom jezyku (s prěvodom) [https://translation.ouipiir.ru/han_kaz možno jest uslyšati tu]. V [[Fonetika|fonetikě]] hantyjskogo jezyka vyděljajut 8 [[Samoglasky|samoglasnyh]] i 18 [[Suglasky|suglasnyh]] zvukov (kazymsky dialekt). Slěduje različati samoglasky prvogo i neprvyh [[slog]]ov. Tako, samoglasky prvogo sloga sut bolje četke i jasne; one mogut byti [[Dolge i kratke samoglasky|dolgimi]]: ''а'', ''э'', ''о'', ''ә'', i kratkimi: ''ӓ'', ''и'', ''ө'', ''у''<ref name=":2">{{Cite book |last=Honti |first=László |title=ObUgrian. The Uralic Languages |year=1998 |language=en |pages=338}}</ref>. Dolgota samoglasky često igraje smyslorazličajuču rolj, napriměr: '''''А'''с'' «Ob» ― '''''ӓ'''с'' «samka»; ''ш'''а'''нш'' «kolěno» ― ''ш'''ӓ'''нш'' «spina». V neprvyh slogah često strěčaje se [[Redukcija (lingvistika)|redukovana]] superkratka samoglaska, označajema bukvoju ''ы''. ==== Suglasky ==== {| class="wikitable" |+ Suglasne zvuky kazymskogo dialekta<ref name=":2" /> ! colspan="2" rowspan="2" | ! rowspan="2" | [[Gubno-gubne suglasky|Gubno-gubne]] ! colspan="2" | [[Zubne suglasky|Zubne]] ! rowspan="2" | [[Retrofleksne suglasky|Retrofleksne]] ! rowspan="2" | [[Palatalne suglasky|Palatalne]] ! rowspan="2" | [[Zadnjejezyčne suglasky|Zadnjejezyčne]] |- ! Proste ! [[Palatalizacija|Palatalizovane]] |- ! colspan="2" | [[Nosove suglasky|Nosove]] | m || n || nʲ || ɳ || || ŋ |- ! colspan="2" | [[Eksplozivne suglasky|Eksplozivne]] | p || t || || || || k |- ! rowspan="2" | [[Frikativne suglasky|Frikativne]] ! centralne | || s || sʲ || ʂ || || x |- ! [[Bokove suglasky|bočne]] | || ɬ || ɬʲ || || || |- ! rowspan="2" | [[Aproksimanty]] ! centralne | w || || || || j || |- ! bočne | || l || || || || |- ! colspan="2" | [[Vibrantne suglasky|Vibrantne]] | || r || || || || |} Někotore suglasne zvuky ne mogut tvoriti [[Stečenje suglaskov|stečenij]]; ako pri [[sufiks]]aciji take nedopustime stečenje dolžno vyniknuti, to jedin iz suglaskov libo vypadaje, libo medžu njimi vynikaje redukovany samoglasny zvuk. Suglasky ''с'', ''х'', ''ш'', ''ӆ'' v položenju medžu samoglaskami mogut stavati zvučnymi. ==== Udarenje ==== [[Udarenje]] v hantyjskom skoro vsegda padaje na prvy slog<ref>{{Cite book |last=Estill |first=Dennis |title=Diachronic change in Erzya word stress |year=2004 |location=Helsinki |publisher=Finno-Ugrian Society |pages=179 |isbn=952-5150-80-1}}</ref>; v mnogosložnyh slovah mogut pojavljati se vtorostepenne udarenja, padajuče na jedin iz neparnyh slogov (čestěje na tretji). === Morfologija === V hantyjskom odsutstvuje [[Rod (lingvistika)|kategorija gramatičnogo roda]], [[prědlog]]am obyčno odgovarjajut [[poslělog]]y, napriměr: ''Ма Ас пэла мансөм'' («Ja k Obi pošel jesm»), gde ''Ас'' — «Ob», a [[poslělog]] ''пэла'' — «k». Dlja označenja prinaležnosti prědmeta k kakoj-libo osobě koristajut se [[Prisvojiteljne afiksy|osobno-prisvojiteljne sufiksy]]. Vyděljajut 3 [[Gramatično čislo|čisla]]: [[Jednina|jedninu]], [[Množina|množinu]] i [[Dvojina|dvojinu]], napriměr: ''пух мӓныс'' («hlapčik ušel»), ''пухы мӓнсаңын'' («hlapčiki (dvoje) ušli»), ''пухыт мӓнсыт'' («hlapčiki ušli»). [[Padež]]ev vyděljaje se do 11<ref>{{Cite book |last=Nikolaeva |first=Irina Alekseevna |title=Ostyak. Languages of the world |year=1999 |publisher=Materials. Lincom Europa |isbn=3-89586-562-1}}</ref>. === Sintaksa === Obyčny [[Tipologija poredka slov|poredok slov]] v hantyjskom jezyku — [[Tipologija poredka slov|SOV]] ([[podležače]] — [[Dopolnjenje (sintaksa)|dopolnjenje]] — [[skazujemo]])<ref>{{Cite book |last=Grenoble |first=Lenore A. |title=Language Policy in the Soviet Union |year=2003 |publisher=Springer |pages=14 |isbn=978-1-4020-1298-3}}</ref>. === Leksika === Soglasno izslědovanju 1972 goda, [[Leksika|slovnikovy sostav]] hantyjskogo jezyka byl slědujuči<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Schiefer |first=Erhard |year=1972 |title=Wolfgang Steinitz. Dialektologisches und etymologisches Wörterbuch der ostjakischen Sprache |journal=Études Finno-Ougriennes |volume=9 |pages=161–171}}</ref>: {| class="wikitable" |- | rowspan="4" | [[Iskonne slovo|Iskonne slova]] || rowspan="4" | 30 % || [[Uralske jezyky|Uralskogo]] proishoženja || 5 % |- | [[Ugrofinske jezyky|Ugrofinskyh]] || 9 % |- | [[Ugrske jezyky|Ugrskogo]] || 3 % |- | [[Obsko-ugrske jezyky|Obsko-ugrskogo]] || 13 % |- | rowspan="4" | [[Zaimstvovanje|Zaimstvovanja]] || rowspan="4" | 28 % || Iz [[Komi jezyk|komi]] || 7 % |- | Iz [[Samodijske jezyky|samodijskyh jezykov]] ([[Selkupske jezyky|selkupske]] i [[Nenečsky jezyk|nenečsky]]) || 3 % |- | Iz [[Tatarsky jezyk|tatarskogo]] || 10 % |- | Iz russkogo || 8 % |- | Slova neznanogo proishoženja || 40 % || |} Izslědovanje 1975 goda takože prědpolagaje prisutstvje zaimstvovanij iz [[Tungusko-mančžurske jezyky|tungusko-mančžurskyh jezykov]] — v osnovnom, [[Evenkijsky jezyk|evenkijskogo]]<ref>{{Cite book |last=Futaky |first=István |year=1975 |title=Tungusische Lehnwörter des Ostjakischen |publisher=Harrassowitz Verlag |location=Wiesbaden}}</ref>. Osnovnym načinom [[Slovotvorjenje|slovotvorjenja]] jest [[sufiksacija]]. [[Glagol]]y v hantyjskom jezyku, kako i v drugyh ugrskyh, mogut iměti [[Prědrastka (lingvistika)|prědrastky]]. == Historija izučanja == Sistematične izučanje hantyjskogo jezyka načelo se v XIX stolětju, kogda ekspediciju v města proživanja hanty i mansi sovršil madjarsky izslědovatelj {{LatCyr|Antal Reguli|Антал Регули||1}}. Odnak do togo ruske poseljenci iměli opyt občenja s ostjakami i vogulami, s ktoryh oni sbirali danj, v tečenju nekoliko prědhodečih věkov; takože jezyk interesoval pravoslavnyh hristijanskyh sveščenikov. Znane hantyvedy: * [[Antal Reguli|{{LatCyr|Antal Reguli|Антал Регули|Antal Reguli|1}}]] * [[Kusta Karjalajnen|{{LatCyr|Kustaa Fredrik Karjalainen|Куста Карялайнен|Kusta Karjalajnen|1}}]] * [[Hatanzejev, Petr Jefimovič|Petr Jefimovič Hatanzejev]] * [[Volfgang Štejnic|{{LatCyr|Wolfgang Steinitz|Вольфганг Штейниц|Volfgang Štejnic|1}}]] * [[Tereškin, Nikolaj Ivanovič|Nikolaj Ivanovič Tereškin]] * [[Russkaja, Julija Nikolajevna|Julija Nikolajevna Russkaja]] * [[Životikov, Pavel Kuzmič|Pavel Kuzmič Životikov]] * [[Kaksin, Andrej Danilovič|Andrej Danilovič Kaksin]] * [[Koškareva, Natalja Borisovna|Natalja Borisovna Koškareva]] * [[Solovar, Valentina Nikolajevna|Valentina Nikolajevna Solovar]] === Razrabotka literaturnoj normy === V 1898—1902 godah sborom hantyjskoj [[Leksika|leksiki]] v Siberji ([[Tobolsk]], [[Tomsk]]) zanimal se finsky učeny {{LatCyr|Kustaa Fredrik Karjalainen|Куста Карялайнен|Kusta Karjalajnen|1}}. Zato že k vrěmeni [[Ustanovjenje sovětskoj vlasti v Rosiji|ustanovjenja Sovětskoj vlasti v Rosiji]] pismennosti u [[Korenne narody Sěvera|korennyh narodov Sěvera]] ne jestvovalo, uže v 1919 g. pri oddělě prosvěčenja nacionalnyh menšinstv [[Narkompros RSFSR|Narkomprosa RSFSR]] byla organizovana redakcijna kolegija dlja razrabotky alfabetov dlja tyh narodov, a v 1922 godu bylo prijato rěšenje o stvorjenju pismennosti dlja narodnostij Sěvera, dlja čego byla obrazovana specialna komisija iz prědstaviteljev [[Narodny komisariat po dělom nacionalnostij RSFSR|Narkomata nacionalnostij]], Narkomprosa, [[Akademija nauk SSSR|Akademije nauk]], najvelikših jezykovědov i etnografov<ref name=":1">{{Cite journal |last=Čumak |first=Jelena Grigorjevna |date=2006 |title=Proces stanovljenja pismennosti i razrabotky učebnikov na rodnyh jezykah v Hanty-Mansijskom okrugu v 20-50-e gg. XX věka |journal=Věstnik arheologije, antropologije i etnografije |issue=6 |pages=194–199 |issn=1811-7465 |url=https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/protsess-stanovleniya-pismennosti-i-razrabotki-uchebnikov-na-rodnyh-yazykah-v-hanty-mansiyskom-okruge-v-20-50-e-gg-hh-veka |archive-date=2022-08-15 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220815143424/https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/protsess-stanovleniya-pismennosti-i-razrabotki-uchebnikov-na-rodnyh-yazykah-v-hanty-mansiyskom-okruge-v-20-50-e-gg-hh-veka}}</ref>. === Prve učebniky === V načelu 1921 g. Sibirsky odděl narodnogo obrazovanja, organizovany 25 januara 1920 g., objavil srěd učiteljev iz srědy korennogo naseljenja, rabotajučih v nacionalnyh školah, konkurs na razrabotku najlěpšego učebnika na rodnom jezyku učenikov. Paralelno po rěšenju Narkomprosa i Komiteta Sěvera v 1925 g. načeli razrabotku specialnogo bukvarja i knigy dlja čitanja dlja obučenja dětij russkomu jezyku, ktory po stroju i leksikě silno odličal se od hantyjskogo<ref name=":1" />. V 1926 g. pojavili se prve prigotovjene entuziastami bukvari na nacionalnyh jezykah, prvonačelno izgotovjene ručno. V 1928—1930 gg. bukvari načeli vypuskati tipografskym sposobom, poslě čego byla načeta planoměrna rabota po razrabotkě program i kompletov učebnikov na jezykah narodov Sěvera dlja načelnyh škol, a takože metodičnoj literatury dlja učiteljev<ref name=":1" />. V 1927/28 učebnom godu {{LatCyr|Vladimir Germanovič Bogoraz|Владимир Германович Богораз|1}} i {{LatCyr|Sergej Nikolajevič Stebnicky|Сергей Николаевич Стебницкий|1}} sostavili prvy russky bukvar dlja vsih škol Sěvera, objemom 129 stranic. V to že vrěme N. I. Leonov i P. E. Ostrovsky vypustili knigu «Naš Sěver» objemom 180 stranic dlja tuzemnyh škol RSFSR<ref name=":1" />. === Razrabotka alfabeta === V oktobru 1929 g. Komisija nacionalnyh jezykov i kultur Sěvernogo fakulteta [[Leningradsky institut živyh vozhodnyh jezykov|Leningradskogo instituta živyh vozhodnyh jezykov]] prijela Jediny sěverny alfabet na latinicě, ktory sostojal iz 32 bukv, v kombinaciji s [[Diakritične znaky|diakritičnymi znakami]], dozvaljajučimi prědavati na pismě fonemy jezykov sěvernyh narodov<ref name=":1" />. V dekembru 1930 g. učeni prědstavili novy projekt alfabeta, takože latinskogo, iz 39 bukv (29 suglasnyh, 10 samoglasnyh) s dodanjem znakov, označajučih smekčenje, dolgotu i pridyhanje. On byl utvrdženy v 1931 g. Vsesojuznym Komitetom novogo alfabeta pri Prězidijumu Sověta Nacionalnostij CIK SSSR i Kolegijeju Narkomprosa SSSR<ref name=":1" />. V to že vrěme načelo se stvorjenje novyh učebnikov na osnově prědloženogo alfabeta. V 1930 g. na obdorskom govorě sěvernoj grupy izšel prvy hantyjsky bukvar «Hanty-kniga», sostavljeny učitelem [[Hatanzejev, Petr Jefimovič|P. Je. Hatanzejevym]]<ref name=":1" />. Kogda v 1932 godu Prězidijum VCIK prijel postanovljenje o nacionalno-teritorialnom rajonirovanii Krajnjego Sěvera i obrazovanju tam nacionalnyh okrugov i rajonov, na Prvoj Vserossijskoj konferenciji po razvitju jezykov i pismennosti narodov Sěvera byl utvrdženy projekt stvorjenja nacionalnyh literaturnyh jezykov dlja četyrinadseti narodnostij, v tom čislě hanty, [[mansi]], [[Nenci|nencev]], izdanja učebnikov i bukvarev na tyh jezykah<ref name=":1" />. V 1933 g. izšli bukvar Kargara, sostavljeny na [[kazym]]skom govorě hantyjskogo jezyka, prěvody prvoj česti knigy dlja čitanja Šuleva i učebnika aritmetiky Popovoj<ref name=":1" />. V dekembru 1933 g. po prizyvu [[Narkompros RSFSR|Narkomprosa RSFSR]] grupu studentov fakulteta russkogo jezyka i literatury [[Tomsky industrialny pedagogičny institut|Tomskogo industrialnogo pedagogičnogo instituta]], v tom čislě [[Životikov, Pavel Kuzmič|P. K. Životikova]], napravili na vysše pedagogične kursy Leningradskogo pedagogičnogo instituta im. A. I. Gercena dlja izučanja hantyjskogo jezyka. Lětom 1934 g. tuti studenty otpravili se na prěpodavatelsku rabotu. Životikov po okončanju kursov byl napravljeny v [[Ostjako-Vogulsky pedagogičny tehnikum]], kdě prěpodaval russky i hantyjsky jezyky, literaturu, prodolžal izslědovanja i sistematizaciju hantyjskogo jezyka, stvoril i vozglavil kružok nacionalnogo tvorčestva<ref name=":0">{{Cite web |url=https://ugra-news.ru/article/ot_moey_raboty_est/ |title=«Od mojej raboty jest polza». O Pavlu Životikově — organizatoru školnogo obrazovanja v Jugrě |author=Olga Maslova |website=ugra-news.ru |date=2019-07-19 |access-date=2022-08-15}}</ref>. V 1933—1934 gg. izšli prve prigotovjene naučnymi sutrudnikami i prěpodavateljami [[Institut narodov Sěvera|Instituta narodov Sěvera]] knigy dlja čitanja i učebniky gramatiky<ref name=":1" />. V 1934 g. na sověščanju prědstaviteljev Komitetov novogo alfabeta narodov Sěvera, Narkomprosa RSFSR i Komiteta Sěvera pri Prězidijumu VCIK po pytanjam razvitja pismennosti na nacionalnyh jezykah v Moskvě vyjavilo se, že latinica stvorjaje trudnosti v koristanju literatury. V 1935 g. prězidijum Ostjako-Vogulskogo okružnogo izpolniteljnogo komiteta prijel postanovljenje «O prěhodu pismennosti hantyjskogo i mansijskogo alfabeta na russku osnovu», realizovane v fevruaru 1937 g.<ref name=":1" /> === Izbor dialektnoj osnovy i pytanja normalizacije === [[Fajl:Khanty alphabet book.pdf|thumb|230px|Hantyjska abeceda Suhotinoj]] V 1937 g. [[Institut narodov Sěvera]] vypustil sbornik «Jezyky i pismennost narodov Sěvera» s člankom {{LatCyr|Wolfgang Steinitz|Вольфганга Штейница|Volfganga Štejnica|1}}, davajučim morfologičny očrk hantyjskogo jezyka (polnovatsky govor sěvernoj grupy), čto položilo načelo izslědovanju jego dialektov<ref name=":1" />. Od 1937 goda načelo se prěizdavanje vsej literatury, izšedšej raněje na sěvernyh jezykah. Unifikacija išla po srědnje-obskom dialektu. V 1938 g. na kirilicě izšel bukvar Zalcberg, a zatem bukvar Suhotinoj, v 1939-m — prva kniga dlja čitanja<ref name=":1" />. V osnovu literaturnogo jezyka postanovljenjem bjura Hanty-Mansijskogo okružkoma VKP(b) v 1940 godu byl položen srědninny srědnje-obsky (kazymsky) dialekt, odnak na konferenciji učiteljev (10.07.1940 g.) bylo rěšeno razrabotyvati pismennost i dlja vahovskogo dialekta<ref name=":1" />. Takym obrazom, naličje dialektov v hantyjskom i v mansijskom jezykah sdělalo nevozmožnym koristanje jedinyh literaturnyh jezykov v procesu obučenja<ref name=":1" />. === Razrabotniki učebnikov hantyjskogo jezyka === * ''[[Hatanzejev, Petr Jefimovič|P. Je. Hatanzejev]].'' Hanty-kniga. Leningrad, 1930.<ref>{{Cite journal |last=Malahova |first=Ljudmila Petrovna |date=2017 |title=Prosvětiteljna rabota srěd hanty i mansi kako variant adaptacije k sovětskoj kulturě |journal=Věstnik Surgutskogo gosudarstvennogo pedagogičnogo universiteta |issue=4 (49) |pages=80–84 |issn=2078-7626 |url=https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/prosvetitelnaya-rabota-sredi-hanty-i-mansi-kak-variant-adaptatsii-k-sovetskoy-kulture |archive-date=2022-08-18 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220818110126/https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/prosvetitelnaya-rabota-sredi-hanty-i-mansi-kak-variant-adaptatsii-k-sovetskoy-kulture}}</ref> * ''Je. R. Suhotina.'' Bukvar. Leningrad: Učpedgiz, 1938.<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://xn----dtbdzdfqbczhet1kob.xn--p1ai/2021/10/02/bukvar-na-hantyjskom-yazyke-1938-god/ |title=Bukvar na hantyjskom jezyku, 1938 god |author=Andrej Rjabov |date=2021-10-02 |access-date=2022-08-18 |archive-date=2022-08-18 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220818071810/http://xn----dtbdzdfqbczhet1kob.xn--p1ai/2021/10/02/bukvar-na-hantyjskom-yazyke-1938-god/ |url-status=live}}</ref> * ''[[Životikov, Pavel Kuzmič|P. K. Životikov]].'' «Očrk gramatiky hantyjskogo jezyka» (1942).<ref name=":1" /> * ''K. F. Hvataj-Muha, [[Aksarina, Nina Matvejevna|N. M. Aksarina]], G. A. Obatina.'' Bukvar. Izdanje 2-e, prěrabotane, pod redakcijeju [[Russkaja, Julija Nikolajevna|Ju. N. Russkoj]] (na jezyku kazymskyh hanty, dlja prigotoviteljnogo klasa hantyjskoj načelnoj školy). Leningrad: Prosvěčenje, 1973. — 128 s. == Koristanje jezyka v sovrěmennosti == === SMI na hantyjskom jezyku === Prve publikacije na hantyjskom jezyku pojavili se v novinah «[[Novosti Jugry|Ostjako-Vogulska pravda]]» v 1934 godu. Od 1957 goda v [[Hanty-Mansijsky avtonomny okrug — Jugra|HMAO]] izhodi hantyjezyčna novina «''Lenin pant huvat''» («Po leninskomu putju»), prěimenovana v 1991 godu v «''[[Hanty jasang]]''» («Hantyjske slovo»). Novina izhodi raz v tydenj: do načela 1970-yh — na 1 stranicě, a poslě — na 4 stranicah. V [[Jamalo-Nenečsky avtonomny okrug|Jamalo-Nenečskom avtonomnom okrugu]] na hantyjskom jezyku izhodi novina «''[[Luh avt]]''». Regularne radiověščanje na hantyjskom jezyku na radiju «[[Jugorija (teleradiokompanija)|Jugorija]]» načelo se v 1964 godu. Hantyjske prědačy dolgotnju 20 minut izhodet po ponedělkam, srědam i petnicam jutrom, v oběd i večerom. Na kanalu «[[Jugra (teleradiokompanija)|Jugra]]» takože jest analogična prědača. Na TRK «Jugorija» tvorče objedinjenje «Očag» vypuskaje teleprědačy na hantyjskom. === Sovrěmenna kultura na hantyjskom jezyku === Na jezyku publikujut se tvorby hantyjskyh pisateljev. Na surgutskom dialektě izdajut se pověsti [[Ajpin, Jeremej Danilovič|Je. D. Ajpina]], na kazymskom dialektě vypuskajut se tvorby [[Vagatova, Marija|M. Vagatovoj]], [[Šuljgin, Mikulj Ivanovič|M. I. Šuljgina]], [[Lazarev, Grigorij Dmitrijevič|G. D. Lazareva]] i [[Sengepov, Aleksej Mihajlovič|A. M. Sengepova]], a na šuryškarskom dialektě publikujut se poetične tvorby [[Rugin, Roman Prokopjevič|R. P. Rugina]] i [[Saltykov, Prokopij Jermolajevič|P. Je. Saltykova]].<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://irkipedia.ru/content/hantyyskiy_yazyk_istoricheskaya_enciklopediya_sibiri_2009 |title=Hantyjsky jezyk // «Historična enciklopedija Siberji» (2009) |website=IRKIPEDIJA |access-date=2021-12-17 |archive-date=2021-12-17 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211217032150/http://irkipedia.ru/content/hantyyskiy_yazyk_istoricheskaya_enciklopediya_sibiri_2009 |url-status=live}}</ref> Etno-rok-grupa «''[[H-Ural]]''» od 2009 g. izpolnjaje pěsni na šuryškarskom i srědnjeobskom dialektah hantyjskogo jezyka. Larisa Miljahova — hantyjska etnopěvica, izpolnjajuča tradicijne pěsni na šuryškarskom dialektě, uroženka Šuryškarskogo rajona Jamalo-Nenečskogo AO. Jestvuje hantyjska folklorna grupa «''Hatl naj''» (rukovoditelj — Vitjazeva Ljubov Gavrilovna), kolektivu v 2013 godu izpolnilo se 25 lět. V njej děti izpolnjajut pěsni na šuryškarskom dialektě hantyjskogo jezyka. == Literatura == * Štejnic V. K. 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SPb.: Hanty-Mansijsk, 2014. 385 s. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * [http://ouipiir.ru/ Centr izučanja hantyjskogo jezyka] * [https://postnauka.ru/longreads/156128 Sěvernohantyjsky jezyk: Dyhanjem větra jezyk ognja dunut] {{Uralske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Uralske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Hantyjsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Ugrske jezyky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q33563}} {{Prěvod|ru|Хантыйский язык}} adhkg7a5pgbtkbt7icf616d9cnlc589 Irak 0 1041 27126 7238 2026-06-25T18:11:46Z Ilja isv 10 /* */ 27126 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | conventional_long_name = Irakska republika | native_name = {{Center|{{Unbulleted list|{{Big|{{Jezyky|ar|جُمْهُورِيَّةُ الْعِرَاقِ}}}}|{{Big|{{Jezyky|ku|كُومَارَى عِئراق}}}}}} }} | common_name = Irak | image_flag = Flag of Iraq.svg | image_coat = Coat_of_arms_of_Iraq.svg | symbol_type = Gerb | image_map = Iraq (orthographic projection).svg | image_map2 = Iraq - Location Map (2013) - IRQ - UNOCHA.svg | national_motto = {{Native phrase|ar|الله أكبر|italics=off}}<br />"[[Takbir|Allahu Akbar]]"&nbsp;{{Small|([[transliteration]])<br />"[[God in Islam|God]] is the Greatest"}} | national_anthem = {{-|"[[Mawtini]]"}}<br />{{Jezyky|ar|"موطني"}}<br /><nowiki>("Moja Matčina")</nowiki><br /><center>[[Fajl:United States Navy Band - Mawtini.ogg]]</center> | capital = [[Bagdad]] | coordinates = {{Coord|33|20|N|44|26|E|type:city}} | largest_city = [[Bagdad]] | official_languages = [[Arabsky jezyk|arabsky]] • [[Kurdsky jezyk|kurdsky]] | religion = [[Islam]] | demonym = Iraksky | government_type = [[Federalizm|Federativna]] [[Parlamentarna sistema|parlamentarna]] [[republika]] | area_rank = 58 <!-- Area rank should match [[List of countries and dependencies by area]] --> | area_km2 = 437072 | area_sq_mi = 169234 <!--Do not remove per [[WP:MOSNUM]]--> | population_estimate = 43533592<ref>{{Cite web| title = World Population Prospects 2022| url = https://population.un.org/wpp/| publisher = United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division| access-date = 17 July 2022}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web| title = World Population Prospects 2022: Demographic indicators by region, subregion and country, annually for 1950-2100| url = https://population.un.org/wpp/Download/Files/1_Indicators%20(Standard)/EXCEL_FILES/1_General/WPP2022_GEN_F01_DEMOGRAPHIC_INDICATORS_COMPACT_REV1.xlsx| type = XLSX | publisher = United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs, Population Division| access-date = 17 July 2022}}</ref> | population_estimate_rank = 36 | population_estimate_year = 2021 | currency = [[iraksky dinar]] | currency_code = IQD | time_zone = [[Arabijsky standardny čas|AST]] | utc_offset = +3 }} '''Irak''' jest [[država]] v jugozapadnoj [[Azija|Aziji]]. Irak imaje granice s [[Saudovska Arabija|Saudovskoju Arabijeju]] i [[Kuvejt]]om na jugu, [[Turcija|Turcijeju]] na sěveru, [[Sirija|Sirijeju]] na sěverozapadu, [[Jordanija|Jordanijeju]] na zapadu i [[Iran]]om na izhodu. Glavnym [[grad]]om Iraka jest [[Bagdad]]. Irak byl znajemy pod [[Grečsky jezyk|grečskym]] imenom [[Mesopotamia|Mesopotamija]], ktoro znači "''Medžurěčje"'', ktoro bylo domom množstva postupnyh civilizacij od 6-go tysečelětja prěd n.e. Region medžu rěkami [[Rěka Evfrat|Evfrat]] i [[Rěka Tigr|Tigr]] često nazyvajut kolěbkoju civilizacije i městom zarodženja [[Писменност|pismennosti]]. Irak byl čestju několika imperij, medžu ktorymi byli [[Imperija Safavidov|Safavidy]] i [[Imperija Afšaridov|Afšaridy]]. Podčas [[Mesopotamska kampanija|Mesopotamskoj kampanije]] v [[Prva světova vojna|1-oj světovoj vojně]] britanske vojska zavojevali od [[Otomanska imperija|Otomanskoj imperije]] provincije [[Gubernija Basra|Basra]] i [[Gubernija Bagdad|Bagdad]] i potom dodali k nim provinciju [[Gubernija Mosul|Mosul]], da by iztvoriti Irak. Večšinstvo irakcev sut [[Islam|Šia-muslimany]], so značnoju minoritoju [[Islam|Suni-musliman]]. == Politika == Od 1968 do 2003 godov, Irakom vladala partija Ba'ath. [[Sadam Husejn]] byl Prezidentom od 1979 goda do razpuščenja partije Ba'ath. V 1990 godu Irak vtrgnul se do [[Kuvejt]]a, i protiv Iraka vojovali [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjene štaty]], [[Objedinjeno Kraljevstvo|Objedinjeno kraljevstvo]], [[Saudovska Arabija]], [[Francija]], [[Italija]], i [[Pakistan]]. Region [[Kurdistan]] dobyl avtonomnost v 1990-h lětah, region Kurdistan imaje vlastny parlament i vydavaje svoje vizy inozemnym putnikam, jestli oni putujut toliko do Kurdistanu. V marcu 2003 Americanske, Britanske, [[Avstralija|Avstralijske]], [[Danija|Danske]] i [[Poljska|Polske]] vooružene sily vtrgli se do Iraku. Oni sut prinudili partiju Ba'ath ustupiti. Publično objavjenoju pričinoju vtrženja bylo to, že Saddam Hussejn odkazal se pustiti inspektorov [[Organizacija sjedinjenyh narodov|OSN]] iskati jaderno, biologično u hemično oružje v Iraku. Po okončanju vojny ne byli najdenymi nikake slědy togo oružja. Sadam Husejn byl osudženy i kaznjeny povešenjem. Država byla načelno razdělena na 3 zony, amerikansku, britansku i polsku, podobno razdělenju [[Němcija|Němcije]] v 1945 godu. Vojska [[Danija|Danije]] kontrolovali oblasti v britanskoj zoně. Nova dočasna vlada byla stvorjena 28 juna 2004 g. Koalične sily sut ostavali v krajině. Množstvo amerikanskyh, britanskyh i medžunarodnyh vojsk nahodili se v državě do 15 dekembra 2011 goda, kogda Irakska vojna byla ukončena. Napetosti medžu [[Religija|religijnymi]] skupinami ([[Islam|Šia i Suni muslimanami]], i takože [[Hristijanstvo|hristijanami]]) sut privědli k nemaloj nestabilnosti v krajině. == Zemjepis == [[Fajl:Iraq provinces Numbered (2024).png|left|thumb|Gubernije Iraka]] Teritorija državy leži medžu dvoma rěkami; po toj pričině ju nazyvali sut [[Mesopotamia]] v drěvnyh časah. Rěky [[Evfrat]] i [[Rěka Tigr|Tigr]] obmedžet tako zvany Plodny Poloměsec. Irak takože imaje maly kus pribrěžja vozdolž [[Peridsky Zaliv|Peridskogo Zaliva]], tuto pribrěžje se mněvalo za srdce trgovanja naftoju v Iraku do [[Vojny v Persidskom zalivu|Prvoj vojny v Zalivu]]. [[Pogoda]] jest krajno žarka i suha zatože Irak nahodi se daleko od morej i okeanov, daže te pobliz sut zakryty gorami i doždevy větr ne može dostati do vnutrozemja. Region imaje plodnu počvu blagodare dvom rěkam. Irak razděljaje se na 18 gubernij (izključajuči čestično poznanu Halabdžu). Takože, Irakska [[Konstitucija]] poznavaje jedin avtonomny region vnutri Iraka, Kurdistan, toj region sostoji iz trěh gubernij Duhok ( دهوك ), Erbil ( اربيل ), As-Sulajmanija (السليمانية ) i jednoj čestično poznanoj gubernije Halabdža (حلبجة). Gubernije regiona Kurdistan sut označene '''tolstym pismom''', gubernija s čestičnym poznanjem ''italijskym pismom''. {| align="center" |----- | #[[Gubernija Al-Anbar|Al-Anbar]] (الانبار) #'''[[Gubernija Erbil|Erbil]]''' ('''اربيل''') #[[Gubernija Babil|Babil]] (بابل) #[[Gubernija Bagdad|Bagdad]] (بغداد) #[[Gubernija Basra|Basra]] (بصرة) #[[Gubernija Dhi Kar|Dhi Kar]] (ذي قار) #'''[[Gubernija Duhok|Duhok]]''' ('''دهوك''') #[[Gubernija Dijala|Dijala]] (ديالى) #'''''[[Halabža|Halabdža]]''''' ('''''حلبجة''''') | <ol start="10"> <li>[[Gubernija Karbala|Karbala]] (كربلاء) <li>[[Gubernija Kirkuk|Kirkuk]] (کركوك) <li>[[Gubernija Muthanna|Muthanna]] (المثنى) <li>[[Gubernija Majsan|Majsan]] (ميسان) <li>[[Gubernija Nineveh|Nineveh]] (نينوى) <li>[[Gubernija Nadžaf|Nadžaf]] (نجف) <li>[[Gubernija Al-Kadisija|Kadisija]] (قادسية) <li>[[Gubernija Saladin|Saladin]] (صلاح الدين) <li>'''[[Gubernija Sulajmanija|Sulajmanija]]''' ('''السليمانية''') <li>[[Gubernija Wasit|Wasit]] (واسط) </ol> |} == Ekonomika == Irak imaje veliko množstvo nafty, on jest četvrtym na světu v proizvodstvu nafty i nomer dva odnosno rezervov nafty. V minulosti Irak jest prodaval toj nafty do drugyh krajin. Poslě vtrženja do Kuvejta v avgustu 1990 [[Organizacija Sjedinjenyh Narodov]] zakazala Iraku prodavati naftu Pozdeje [[Organizacija Sjedinjenyh Narodov|OSN]] povoljila Iraku prodavati něktoru množinu nafty, da by ljudji mogli si kupovati jedanje, oblečenje i lěkarstva i da by ne tak mnogo stradali. To byla tako zvana programa "Nafta za jedanje". ==Svezane sajty== * [[Irak na Olimpiadah]] * [[Narodna futbalova družina Iraka]] * [[Spisok rěk Iraka]] ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Iraq|Iraq]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Iraq&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] {{INTERWIKI|Q796}} int3yfqvmi890xwxy606dod6aghvpvb Vikipedija:Krčma 4 1052 27075 27054 2026-06-25T14:01:06Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27075 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) m88qrgyb49eblc5muc2gt7v8a04pzl3 27076 27075 2026-06-25T14:01:55Z Ilja isv 10 Odčinjenje versije [[Special:Diff/27075|27075]] od koristnika [[Special:Contributions/Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 27076 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === :{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) sbqbdw8n40tco7ivgffc63u8jigd3g7 27077 27076 2026-06-25T14:03:14Z Ilja isv 10 Odčinjenje versije [[Special:Diff/27076|27076]] od koristnika [[Special:Contributions/Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 27077 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) m88qrgyb49eblc5muc2gt7v8a04pzl3 27078 27077 2026-06-25T14:09:01Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27078 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === :{{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) sbqbdw8n40tco7ivgffc63u8jigd3g7 27079 27078 2026-06-25T14:09:54Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27079 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) m88qrgyb49eblc5muc2gt7v8a04pzl3 27080 27079 2026-06-25T14:15:25Z Ilja isv 10 27080 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale ješče by se htělo kandidatov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:15, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) r5n0jyf8llsgpl61aw98jwxr4dzdy7k 27081 27080 2026-06-25T14:18:42Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27081 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. (BTW izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomal?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:15, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) er5zq1rt1bm2w8scqrwub2c19cjo3i3 27082 27081 2026-06-25T14:19:16Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27082 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomal?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:15, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) cjd28apd2vbppy1fzjj0f4uewhx6vqm 27083 27082 2026-06-25T14:21:45Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27083 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomal?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) a97bgv2qtl15k8t17apavesjgylse6r 27084 27083 2026-06-25T14:23:43Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27084 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomal?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ljmbp7ww7bjrk7r79yqxfqsoub8nj4v 27086 27084 2026-06-25T14:28:59Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ 27086 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) 17e1sgytyklsy63mbounow7sj6m7oqa 27089 27086 2026-06-25T14:44:39Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Drugi admini */ 27089 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) qyilh9rmlooa9o97zsqbjosoean3n6z 27093 27089 2026-06-25T15:03:28Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini */ Odgovor 27093 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) sl6qcs8h7je8j6mm0qhsor6dd3nj1q7 27094 27093 2026-06-25T15:08:25Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27094 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 7eg6o1s40of4xzjwr0q35qwwc6kxvmt 27095 27094 2026-06-25T15:09:41Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27095 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) phnxjvk4cyz03bnpo3hg7yj7pk309a7 27107 27095 2026-06-25T15:53:58Z Panslavist 34 /* Administratorstvo */ 27107 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admina ili podadmina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 0xyytgs7yyo30avevf3l64peurucl9z 27135 27107 2026-06-25T18:47:40Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27135 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) jzbz5ka2o0949x2zv7dz59t30b4nlrz 27140 27135 2026-06-25T21:02:45Z Vipz 118 /* Drugi admini */ 27140 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) etuzb0pwma6up4wby6vnesrp67vccx3 27141 27140 2026-06-25T21:05:03Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Drugi admini */ Odgovor 27141 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 4jjirzbkp2zwzuyz4t3amawibw08czu 27142 27141 2026-06-25T21:10:26Z Panslavist 34 27142 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 12guacz4703m33rm19ty5maglq7wa78 27143 27142 2026-06-25T21:11:02Z Vipz 118 /* Drugi admini */ Odgovor 27143 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) icsqa6emdyxid0bt5o74wni0g8pphlr 27144 27143 2026-06-25T21:11:58Z Vipz 118 /* Drugi admini */ 27144 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) tgy2x9x3228ulm4pup69lpyclhe99dw 27151 27144 2026-06-25T23:05:29Z Adiee5 21 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27151 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 3x8am1tkvcwildb5pr2p7g6a548lr3z 27154 27151 2026-06-26T03:11:39Z Vipz 118 + __NEWSECTIONLINK__ 27154 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) div0r16p4x8z660ksh9jx5steut248c 27158 27154 2026-06-26T05:23:46Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27158 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidaty na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 32l6in8lhh99fm7kfvgqsmynkv12uaj 27159 27158 2026-06-26T05:24:22Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ Odgovor 27159 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidaty na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) a8fn6cqwijzsvh4kr4rp7olt4abs0mp 27160 27159 2026-06-26T05:24:49Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ Odgovor 27160 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidaty na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) h6bqzwr5twqbb1sj8m7mt9r2ydp2x0p 27162 27160 2026-06-26T05:26:09Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ Odgovor 27162 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidaty na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) py3dvqo323k586rr1mvwgpwz7wrjnlg 27163 27162 2026-06-26T05:26:46Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ Odgovor 27163 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :7. {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidaty na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 33qm3dwtil1py4pe6huy8lnkjxokru5 27164 27163 2026-06-26T05:31:25Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27164 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidaty na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 466jjlqlpz5sa1nc2ne4l1lhcnlbbmk 27165 27164 2026-06-26T05:34:23Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ 27165 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) r6m2pakd5d2u7tw3fimj7krbxqk95v1 27167 27165 2026-06-26T06:03:14Z Noncinque 49 dane moje dlja glasovanja 27167 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) iqfvdf2nch8pamwjs59w8upo450c7xd 27184 27167 2026-06-26T08:59:19Z Adiee5 21 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ Odgovor 27184 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::#:{{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) o651ti2squ8vpe8gjb2qjarp5jq859b 27194 27184 2026-06-26T09:15:18Z Ilja isv 10 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ 27194 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 0kf3p1k0l0w428vdlsmcmj7slwwqcuu 27199 27194 2026-06-26T09:37:43Z Marcoorio 22 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ Odgovor 27199 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) qfue3c34namdmsrftws4ued4qry73k2 27200 27199 2026-06-26T09:41:25Z Panslavist 34 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ 27200 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) nwo8zj52ua0ojer0vexdnqu4b5itxvm 27201 27200 2026-06-26T09:42:55Z Marcoorio 22 /* Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici */ Odgovor 27201 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) 653pvihcawix1foy7qq5p6arfrg9le0 27204 27201 2026-06-26T09:53:01Z Panslavist 34 /* Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici */ 27204 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). p45jgq6ltut76dz60mxp44d5gn6i6jh 27207 27204 2026-06-26T10:01:52Z Мурад 97 27 /* Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici */ 27207 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka ::[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina ::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) 2mj0cxadpwrj2rkbi2fdfmncr58797z 27208 27207 2026-06-26T10:03:38Z Vipz 118 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ popravka formata. 27208 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ecevw7d1xer2lmsab2x00yl1q68428g 27209 27208 2026-06-26T10:04:46Z Vipz 118 /* Drugi admini - glasovanje */ 27209 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) 1epznwpbqmljzdm7uex3mqkfr4s96iw 27212 27209 2026-06-26T11:23:12Z Ilja isv 10 /* Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici */ Odgovor 27212 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) hl1px43nr3mg3m5t601n7ntjyqhkyn9 27213 27212 2026-06-26T11:24:36Z FitikWasTaken 83 /* Administratorstvo */ Odgovor 27213 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Разумєје се <nowiki>{{Za}}</nowiki> [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) adtku1qcn2kpqhsiwbg3l8pe0xw46qx 27214 27213 2026-06-26T11:27:45Z Ilja isv 10 /* Administratorstvo */ 27214 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Kako izključiti transliteraciju rodnyh imen? (U mene v Interslavic Incubator ne rabotaje kod Native_name) == Zdravo, dragi ljudi, ja jesm novak. Ja imaju problem, tuty kod https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Native_name ne rabotaje u mene. On by byl pomočny da by transliteracija latinica-kirilica ne translitirovala rodne imena. Iz togo povodu že kod ne rabotaje u mene, zaměsto njego ja jesm koristala drugy kod - <nowiki><math></nowiki> Pytanje jest, či bude rabotati někogda kod Native_name? [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 06:54, 26 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Plameniled, i hvala za prvo soobčenje v novoj Krčmě! Razuměju, o čem jest rěč. Nu, za blokovanje transliteracije imajemo tutčas tri možnosti. Izdavaje mi se, že najlěpše bude v tutom slučaju šablon: [[:Template:-|-]]. Podam priklad: :Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{-|Allegro}}</nowiki>", rezultat bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{-|Allegro}}" (poslědnje slovo ne bude transliterovano). :Kromě togo, sut ješče dvě možnosti: :* Ako pišeš "Poljsky sajt <nowiki>{{Lang|pl|Allegro}}</nowiki>", bude izgledati tako: "Poljsky sajt {{Lang|pl|Allegro}}". :* Ako hočeš dodati skračenje nazvy jezyka, možeš ješče koristati [[:Template:Jezyky|Jezyky]], napr.: <nowiki>'''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt...</nowiki> davaje rezultat: '''Allegro''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Allegro}}) jest poljsky sajt... :Imaju naděju, že to pomože! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:01, 26 September 2024 (UTC) ::IJzeren Jan, hvala za odgovor, ale na žalj, to ne udavalo se: zaměsto rezultata piše nadpis "Lua error in Module:Lang at line 15: attempt to index field 'lang_name_table' (a nil value)." ::Na žalj, aktualno za blokavanje transliteracije ja prodolžaju koristati kod <math>. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:36, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :::Hmmm, to jest divno. Ja jesm poprobal, i vse rabotaje kako trěba. Pozri: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Poljske_legendy_(serija_filmov)&curid=3522377&diff=6394113&oldid=6394101. Mimohodom, ja takože jesm uviděl toj nadpis "Lua error", i myslju, že to može byti pričinjeno nepolnym kopirovanjem iz Medžuviki. Ale v tutom slučaju to ne može byti to. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC) ::::хвала, тутчас могу тако дєлати. [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 18:18, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Проблем в коду референциј == Доброго часа! В нєкторых чланках имају проблем с референцијами в јихных кодах. Ја јих беру из иных језыковых раздєлов. Наприклад, в [[Мстислав Ростропович|том]] чланку 3 референције, а в [[World of Tanks|том]] чланку 2 сут с погрєшками в коду. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:45, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Uže vidžu, v čem jest problem. Byli male pogrěšky v šablonah, napr. ''archive'' ili ''archiveurl'' zaměsto ''archive-url''. Gledi [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wp%2Fisv%2F%D0%9C%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D1%81%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%B2_%D0%A0%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%B8%D1%87&diff=6394125&oldid=6381951 razliku]. Tutčas vse izgledaje normalno. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:51, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :: Хвала! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 11:06, 28 September 2024 (UTC) == Spis povyšenja razumlivosti == Dragi učestniki! Naša cělj jest razumlivost člankov, i iz togo povodu ja imaju ideju: tut my možemo davati linky na materialy povyšenja razumlivosti. Davajte linky ako li vy imajete. Ja počinaju: video Kako razumlivo napisati nazvu měseca: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJ9ZTfOg3mM [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 15:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC) :Spis prěporučajemyh slov v medžuslovjanskom https://gorlatoff.github.io/fraznik.html :(najvyše razumlive slova sut označene 🌳 ) [[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Plameniled|talk]]) 16:06, 27 September 2024 (UTC) == Kniževno MS Pismo == Kako dobro koristiti kniževno ms-pismo? * «Tute veči „v tom čislu vnutri inyh“» * Mnogolětje 2000—2005 ili 2000-2005? * Stolětja: XXI ili 21? * A u vladarev? Petr I? Togda kako izběgti transliteracije do Ии? Nu i tako dalje. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 09:01, 29 September 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo! Nu, v principu možete pisati, kako vam jest najvyše udobno. Medžuslovjansky ne potrěbuje pravila za vsaku podrobnost. Ale to jest moje mněnje! :) Vo vsakom slučaju, ja koristaju «...» kako znaky citovanja, ale to ne znači, že někto drugy ne može pisati <tt>"..."</tt> ili <tt>„...”</tt> ili <tt>'...'</tt>. Važno, že jest izrazno! Tako samo s stolětjami: <tt>XXI. stolětje, 21. stolětje, 21-o stolětje</tt>... vse dobre. Ale čto se tyče rimskyh čisl: da by ne bylo problemov s transliteracijeju, dobro by bylo pisati tako: <tt><nowiki>car Petr {{-|I}}</nowiki>, v <nowiki>{{-|XXI}}-om stolětju</nowiki></tt>, i t.d. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:08, 29 September 2024 (UTC) ::Velika hvala za odgovor! [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC) == Standardizovanje nazv razdělov == Budut li nekde standardizovane nazvy razdělov i jih poredok v člankah? Napriměr, izprva ide "Etimologija", potom "Historija", potom vsečto drugo, potom "Gledni takože", "Vněšne linky" i "Iztočniky" abo "Žrla". Ili my prědpočitajemo tvorčji bezporedok? Takože bylo by dobro dodati v šablon partij redok "Bojevo krilo". Ibo mnoge partije imali partijnu bojevu organizaciju. [[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 11:37, 2 October 2024 (UTC) : Обычајно дља подобных чланков на важне темы бывајут стандарды. Наприклад, дља чланков о државах. Дља иных дозволимы творчји безпооредок. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:22, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Voobče ja mnju, že nemaje ničego zlogo v tvorčjem bezporedku. Ale očevidno, někaky sistem trěbuje byti. Ako članok imaje razděly, normalno jest, že prvy razděl (bez zaglavja) davaje kratky opis prědmeta. Potom sut meritorične razděly: historija, struktura (v slučaju organizacije), naseljenje (v slučaju državy ili grada), svojstva (v slučaju hemičnogo elementa), i tako dalje. Točny poredok uže zavisi od avtora, najvažnějše, že jest v tom někaka logika. I na koncu sut nemeritorične razděly: napr. bibliografija, filmografija, literatura, "gledite takože", referencije, vněšnje linky... :: A čto se tyče izbora slov: ''iztočniky'', ''žrla'' i ''izvory'' sut sobě ravne i ravnako dobre. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:11, 2 October 2024 (UTC) :: Aha, i odnosno šablona partij: očevidno, možno jest dodati mnogo drugyh informacij, napr. partijnu gazetu, viceprědsědnika partije, prědsědnika frakcij v raznyh izbah parlamenta, i tako dalje. Ale po mojemu mněnju lěpje bude ograničati se do najvažnějših informacij, glavno takyh, ktore možno takože iztegnuti iz Vikidanyh. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:16, 2 October 2024 (UTC) == Odnosno pisanju imen v medžuslovjanskom == Dragi! Jest važna kvestija, ktoru hču s vami obgovoriti. Rěč ide o pisanju kiričskyh imen latiniceju i latiničskyh imen kiriliceju. Važny princip medžuslovjanskogo jezyka jest ravnopravnost latinice i kirilice. Zato koristajemo softver, da by čitatelji mogli naše članky čitati na ugodnom jim alfabetu. Problem jest v tom, že latinica i kirilica sut sovsěm različne alfabety, ktorymi vladějut sovsim druge pravila. V slučaju medžuslovjanskyh slov nemaje togo problema, ale trěba, že razrěšimo něčto za imena ljudij i měst. Podam priklad: avtomatičny transliterator dělaje iz imena {{-|Joe Biden}}: {{-|Јое Биден}}, čto očevidno jest nepravilno. Ale za ljudij, ktori pišut i čitajut latinici, {{-|Džo Bajden}} izgledaje kako transliterovana kirilica. Nikto v Poljskě, Čehiji, Slovakiji, Sloveniji i Hrvatiji ne piše tako. Iz drugoj strany, ukrajinska valuta {{-|hryvnja}} izgledala by kako {{-|хрывња}}, čto daže sami Ukrajinci by ne srazuměli. Ja (pišuči latiniceju) jesm dočasno razrěšil toj problem tako: kogda ne možno jest avtomatično transliteratovati ime, koristaju šablon <nowiki>{{-}}</nowiki>, da by transliterator ostavil latiničsko pisanje daže v kirilici. Ale imaju svědomost, že to ne jest idealno razrěšenje. V idealnom slučaju iměli byhmo někaky šablon, ktory razpoznavaje pravopisanje danoj stranice, da by v latinici pisalo se {{-|Joe Biden}} i v kirilici {{-|Джо Бајден}}. Ja myslju, že to povinno jest byti možno s pomočju kuki, na priklad. Imaju naděju, že někto pomože nam s tym. Ale v medžuvrěmeni ja prědlagaju tako: * Ako članok jest napisany latiniceju, slovjanske latinske imena ostavimo v latinici, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Joe Biden}}</nowiki></code>. V kiriličskom članku možno jest pisati <code>{{-|Джо Бајден}}</code>. * Slovjanske latinske imena tako samo, napr.: <code><nowiki>prezident {{-|Lech Wałęsa}}</nowiki></code> (i ne: <code>prezident {{-|Leh Valensa}}</code> ili něčto podobnogo) * Slovjanske imena sklanjajut se kako v medžuslovjanskom: <code>prezident {{-|Kwaśniewski}}</code>, ale: <code>prezidenta {{-|Kwaśniewskogo}}</code> * Neslovjanske kiriličske imena (kazahske, tatarske i t.d.) pišemo kako v russkom * Slovjanske kiriličske imena pišemo kako v originalnom jezyku: <code>{{-|Володимир Зеленський}}, {{-|гривня}}</code> i t.d. * Imena iz drugym pism (kitajsky, japonsky, hindi, gruzinsky i t.d.) transliterujemo na medžuslovjansky: <code>Hašimoto</code>, <code>Šahrukh Khan</code> i t.d. Čto vy myslite o tom? Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :Ja prědlagaju vse imena pisati po sposobu transliteracije: i kiriličske, i latinične. Prosto potom dodavati v zatvorkah <code>(…)</code> originalno ime. I to, tuto dělati ne obvezno jest, jestli jest oddělny članok s tutym človekom ili městom. :* Stiv Ragnarson ({{Jezyky|en|Steve Ragnarrsson}}) byl urodženy v [Glivice|Glajvicu] tvoritelj portretov. :* Стив Рагнарjук ({{Jezyky|ua|Стiв Раґнарюк}}) был уроджены в [Glivice|Глаjвицу] творитељ портретов. :[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ferpaks|talk]]) 15:31, 5 October 2024 (UTC) :: Согласны. Такоже пропонују изкористати интервики с оригиналными именами. Нєкторы ины Вики не имајут такој нормы. По мојему мнєнју, јихны подход заблудны. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 16:48, 5 October 2024 (UTC) Nu ja ne znaju. Ja mogu sobě prědstaviti že Džo Bajden izgledaje nenaturalno v latinici. I jesm suglasen s Ijzeren Janom že ы izgledaje mnogo divno v ukrajinskyh imenah. Može trěba izmysliti sistemu dlja transliteracije iz ukrajinskogo? [[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslav|talk]]) 04:09, 6 October 2024 (UTC) : На латышском [[:lv:Džo Baidens|Džo Baidens]], наприклад. То јест ствар привычаја, а не натуралистичности. Сучност - можливо то сразумєти без знанја англијского, але нет. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 13:50, 9 October 2024 (UTC) Ja vidžų slědujųče argumenty za transliteracijų neslovjanskyh imen * Shrånjenje neslovjanskogo pisanja usložnjaje MS ortografijų i utrudnjaje prěobražanje lat-kir. * Transliteracija izględaje divno, ale ona je dobro råzumliva za vsih. Srb, Bulgarin, Rus, ktori ne znajųt ine języky, mogųt ne dobro sråzuměti, čto znači Biden, Churchill, Hollande. Latinica, v råzličji od kirilice, povinna byti råzumliva za vsih. --[[Koristnik:UčęstNik|učęstNik]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:UčęstNik|talk]]) 16:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC) == 1000 == Похвалы с 1000-ным чланком! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC) :Хаха, да, имајете правду! Ачеколи трєба такоже признати, же срєд тых 1000 чланков јест такоже много прєнаправјениј. Число истинных чланков буде нєкде около 650, мысљу. Але ако будемо добро работати, будемо имєти 1000 чланков прєд концем года! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:39, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :: Интересно. Како бы, учетник не должен тако работати, считывајучи прєнаправјенија. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 09:51, 18 October 2024 (UTC) ::: Očevidno, tako jest. Mně izdavaje se, že istinne vikipedije ne včisljajut prěnapravjenja v članky, ale že tu v inkubatoru čisli vse stranice, ktore nahodet se v glavnom imennom prostoru i načinajut se od <tt>Wp/isv</tt>. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:01, 18 October 2024 (UTC) == Dva projektov, dvukratna rabota? == Zdrav dragi vikipedijci! Ja jesm aktivny koristnik-redaktor Vikipedij na anglijskom i srbskohrvatskom, nu takože prihodim iz starějšego medžuslovjanskogo viki projekta - Medžuviki, kde jesm znany kako koristnik-administrator Studeni. Mně jest milo viděti veliku aktivnost na Wp/isv, nu jestvuju razni problemy. Kako běh mněval na [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom objavě o možlivosti iztvorjenja ovoj Vikipedije na Kavarnji Medžuviki], a takože na Diskord-serveru Medžuviki, jest najlěpše rabotati na jednom městu; togda jesm mněval to bude Medžuviki, ktorogo svojevrěmenno byhmo importovali cělkovito. Tako se poščedimo mnogo truda, nu ješče mnogo važněje, zadržimo zapis historije vsih stranic. Napriklad, ja kako Studeni na Medžuviki jesm avtor večinstva sodržanja članka [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]], ale slov o tom faktu i detaljev nema nikde. Takože trěba informovati posětiteljev Medžuviki velikym banerom kde sejčasno potrěbujut rabotati (i.e. Wp/isv). Lěpy pozdrav. [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]]) 20:57, 17 October 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo Vipz! Mnogo raduju se, že jesi tu. Ne znal jesm, že ty jesi Studeni iz Medžuviki! Tako samo kako ty, ja jesm na početku myslil, že medžuslovjansky projekt v inkubatoru jest nepotrěbny i lěpje bude upotrěbjati Medžuviki kako alternativu. Zato ne jesm to sdělal ničto do avgusta. Ale nikto ne dal jasny odgovor na to pytanje, i jednovrěmenno načela se aktivnost tu. Tutčas vse rabotaje normalno, jest transliterator, jest prěvedeny interfejs i večinstvo materiala iz Medžuviki uže bylo prěneseno. Očevidno, historiju trěba bude prěnesti! Htěl jesm to sdělati, no na žalost, moja prosba byti administrator byla odkydnuta. Teoretično to ne jest veliky problem, ibo historiju možno bude dodati v kakom-nebud momentu. Ale ako hočeš, že tvoj vklad v Medžuviki bude dodany do tvojego vklada tu, može najprvo trěba bude prěimenovati svoje konto na Medžuviki na Vipz, togda to bude sdělano avtomatično. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:45, 17 October 2024 (UTC) ::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], jesm suharmonizoval imena mojih kont. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:46, 7 January 2026 (UTC) :::@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] Odlično! Sam jesm htěl ti prědložiti to sdělati, da by tvoj vklad na Medžuviki byl prěneseny do našej novoj Vikipedije i potom pripisany tobě. Pametaješ li može, kto ješče byl aktivny na Medžuviki? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:43, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija prigodna (eligible) == Pohvaly! Dnes jezykovy komitet priznal Medžuslovjansku Vikipediju prigodnoju! To označa, že skoro my budemo imati polnopravnu Vikipediju na medžuslovjanskom! [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 06:28, 31 October 2024 (UTC) : Похвалы! --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 12:39, 31 October 2024 (UTC) ::Da, ja nikogda ne srazuměl točno, čto to znači: «{{-|eligible}}». Izbirajemy? :) Nu, vo vsakom slučaju to jest jedin krok vprěd. Tutčas znajemo, že naš projekt kvalifikuje se pod uslovjem, že bude stala aktivnost i sodržanje jest v poredku. Imajmo naděju, že za několiko měsecev naša vikipedija uže bude iměti vlastny sajt! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 2 November 2024 (UTC) :::Ja jesm nemnogo pogledal različne projekty v Inkubatorě i zauvažil, že medžuslovjanska Vikipedija jest jedna iz najaktivnejših projektov tut. Dakle, myslju, že isv.wikipedia.org skoro bude stvorjena. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 15:50, 15 November 2024 (UTC) ::::Da da, tym bolje, že LangCom ožil. V poslědnje sedmice mnogo projektov bylo odobrjenyh. Ja myslju, že v dekembru možemo poprositi. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:17, 16 November 2024 (UTC) :::::Uže dekember, može sejčas možno poprositi? Ili ješče rano? [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 07:05, 11 December 2024 (UTC) ::::It seems that people initially thought that Wikipedia would be created soon, became disappointed and left, and that is why the activity decreased. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.164.56|85.249.164.56]] 12:44, 23 April 2025 (UTC) :::::That's a pity, because it's not like working here is pointless: sooner or later, everything here will be transferred to https://isv/wikipedia.org anyway. But you're probably right, and I would like this thing to have happened a bit earlier, too. Unfortunately, requests to the LangCom usually remained unanswered, so we'll just have to be patient. In the meantime, I'd encourage everyone to just continue working here. I'll write a message to the LangCom, too, asking them to speed things up a little. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:54, 23 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::I learned that LangCom has a different attitude towards constructed languages, that creating a Wikipedia for them is more difficult than for natural languages. But it's good that you wrote them a message, I hope it will be clear soon. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.161.197|85.249.161.197]] 15:34, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::: If so, that's not a reason to ignore it, they need to explain what's wrong. It looks like they don't want to approve of it. Jestli tak, to ne jest pričina dlja ignorovnja, trěba objasniti, čto ne jest tak. Izjavjaje se, kakoby oni ne htjat odobrjati. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 16:49, 25 April 2025 (UTC) ::::::::Apparently you are right, they do not want to approve. It has been almost a year since isv wiki is active, but nothing [[Special:Contributions/85.249.160.110|85.249.160.110]] 21:36, 25 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::: Interesting. I was under the impression that the reason is that [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv two of the requirements are yet to be met]. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 14:10, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::: See [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-latn isv-latn] and [https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-cyrl isv-cyrl]. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.213.247|176.99.213.247]] 15:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::Oh. [[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 19:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::Maybe the problem is that the participants manually transferred all the articles to the incubator without stories and everything else? I just don't know what else to think. Constructed languages ​​were approved calmly, but here they don't want it. [[Special:Contributions/85.249.174.216|85.249.174.216]] 19:57, 26 June 2025 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think this is a matter of unwillingness, although it cannot be denied that Interslavic often tends to end up ''medžu mlatom i nakovaljnjeju'', because it's not really a conlang, but not really a natlang either. I'd rather suspect they simple haven't been paying attention. That's why I have made a formal request now: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) ::::::::::::Hvala, budemo očekyvati odpověd👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:54, 28 June 2025 (UTC) * Well, the language committee is ignoring it. This most likely means that the project will never be approved. I would advise everyone not to waste their time on a pointless project. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 17:14, 28 July 2025 (UTC) *:I agree it's strange that they persistently choose to ignore all our messages. Strange and rude. And it is particularly sad that people are getting frustrated and stop editing. But let's not exaggerate: working in the Incubator isn't so bad. Everything here works fine and we can simple carry on. Ultimately, they will either have to approve this project, or they will have to come up with a very good reason not to. Tomorrow, I'll write something again, and if that won't work either, I'll start addressing members individually. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:38, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::It's a little bit funny how Interslavic is always mentioned as a constructed language. I don't expect the langcom to know everything about the language they are supposed to approve of disapprove, but hey, at least they could do a little research on the topic... Maybe we should point out the fact that MS can be understood by more than 300m people already? Unlike Esperanto, which you still have to learn in order to fully understand. *::I mean, that's pretty important, isn't it? Maybe we should start calling it semi-constructed instead? Just focus on the advantages that we have and try to convey the idea of immense potential due to the base of passive understanding that we have. *::MS wiki is more alive than a few dozen of other natural languages with millions of native speakers, too. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *:::@[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]], you know, I don't think Interslavic being qualified as a constructed language is really the problem here. That issue was already solved in October, when Langcom decided Interslavic is eligible. Eligibility means that the language has a valid ISO 639 code, that it is sufficiently unique, that it has enough fluent users to form a viable community of editors, and (in the case of constructed languages) that it is reasonably widespread and not some kind of joke. Once that has been established, there are three more conditions for approval: there must be an active test project; the main parts of the user interface must have been translated; and it must be verified by some external authority that the language used in the wiki is indeed the language it claims to be.<br />That said, I really have no idea why the Language Committee is so sluggish when it comes to our project. Perhaps it just because there is too much here to verify, or it might have something to do with Interslavic using two different alphabets, I dunno. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I guess I wasn't really trying to add anything to the subject, but was rather emotional about it. Whether Interslavic will be added to the main wiki or not, doesn't really make that much difference for me personally. I do enjoy writing in Interslavic and thinking in Interslavic, the platform itself doesn't matter that much. But I have to admit, I have a small hope that having IS on main wiki will bring some more attention to the project and more writers and creators will appear here. In the end, Interslavic has probably the most potential out of all the constructed or semi-constructed languages there are. And I really enjoy reading reading stuff written by the people whose native language is not that intelligible for me. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC) *:Well, if they don't want to approve, why don't they just write about it? Why should people suffer in an eternal wait for their answer? [[Special:Contributions/176.15.196.242|176.15.196.242]] 16:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::Aren't you exaggerating at bit? I mean, suffer? Of course, I'd much prefer that we get our own domain as soon as possible, too, but it's not like working in the Incubator is so very different from working in a separate wiki. As long as it takes, I'd say let's just carry on here and show them what we are capable of! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::: The Language committee is half-dead, consists of 3.5 people in reality. That's why they don't want to deal with the Interslavic language, which they don't understand and despise. Their system of decision-making and working with the community is terrible. Perhaps it's worth thinking about another option for hosting the Interslavic encyclopedia. And yes, working in the incubator and in a separate wiki is very different. Those who left understood this perfectly well. --[[Special:Contributions/176.99.210.113|176.99.210.113]] 20:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC) *::::I don't see why anyone should despise Interslavic. There are, unfortunately, people who despise constructed languages in general, that's true. But since the Langcom has already approved Wikipedias in Lingua Franca Nova and Kotava in recent years – both languages with only a handful of users, existing solely on the Internet – and even seems willing to approve a Wikipedia in Toki Pona, why should Interslavic be so much of a problem? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC) Anyway, I've just posted a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#Interslavic_Wikipedia,_third_request new request]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC) :Let's GO, Jane!📣 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC) :What's new? Was the approval discussion successful? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27870-13|&#126;2025-27870-13]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27870-13|talk]]) 08:02, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :: There was no discussion. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2025-27633-03|&#126;2025-27633-03]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2025-27633-03|talk]]) 19:11, 6 October 2025 (UTC) :::Apparently there was.[https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ALanguage_committee&diff=29200205&oldid=29200203] I haven't seen anything on the LangCom mailing list, but they also have other channels. I just asked for an update. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:10, 6 October 2025 (UTC) == Турки и ''Тјурки'' (?) / Turkish and Turkic == Ја не јесм нашел слов ''тюрки'' (ru) и ''Turkic'' (en) в меджусловјаскых словниках. В [[Turečsky jezyk|сем]] чланку изкористано израженје ''turkskih jezykov''. Але, тогды неразумливо како писати наприкалад ''турки и тюрки'' (ru)/''Turkish people and Turkic people'' (en) ибо, привидно, получајемо омоним. Ја бы бєше написал ''tjurksih jezykov'', але не јесм увєрјены. Подобны проблем јест со словами ''Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic, Iranian/Iranic'' (en). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 15:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC) :Zdravo, Murade! To jest mnogo dobro pytanje. Nakoliko ja vidžu, vse slovjanske jezyky kromě slovenečskogo različajut medžu jezykom Turcije i jezyčnoju grupoju. Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky, srbohrvatsky i makedonsky imajut ''turkijsky'', vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''tjursky''. Iz toj pričiny ''turkijsky'' jest lěpše razrěšenje, ale slovo ''tjursky'' ne jest nemožno. Čto se tyče tyh ostalyh grup, trěba bude pomysliti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:22, 26 November 2024 (UTC) :V poljskom i russkom takože ne ma razliky medžu Korean/Koreanic, Japanese/Japonic, Mongolian/Mongolic i Iranian/Iranic, ale medžu Turkish/Turkic ona jest. Ja myslju, že to ne jest tako važne, iz konteksta vse ravno jest razumlivo. [[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Medžuslovjanin|talk]]) 16:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC) == Novy šablon == Ja sozdal tut šablon, aby udaliti te glupih vandali s lošimi slovami i memami, ktore o vše ne znajut medžuslovjanskogo. Ja myslju, že to je dobra ideja. Tut je šablon: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</u></big>{{#if:|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''{{{1}}}''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> Pozdrav, [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] 08:18, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :I taž taj šablon je v radu. [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 08:43, 14 May 2025 (UTC) * Pozdrav. Da, to je dobra ideja, ale trěba izpaviti pogrešky v tekstu. --[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Danvintius Bookix|talk]]) 19:36, 14 May 2025 (UTC) Zaisto dobra ideja. Jesm izpravil tekst i izgled šablona, a takože dodal jesm možnost dodanja argumentacije, napr. <code><nowiki>{{Odstraniti|Toj članok ne može tu byti}}</nowiki></code> davaje: <center> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffcccc; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon trash.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědložena za neposrědnje odstranjenje</big></u>{{#if:Toj članok ne može tu byti|<br />iz slědujučej pričiny: ''Toj članok ne može tu byti''|.}} V blizkom času jedin iz [[Incubator:Administratori|administratorov]] Vikipedije prověri tuto prědloženje.<br />Ako vy ne jeste suglasni s odstranjenjem, <u>ne udalite tutoj šablon</u>, ale <u>izkažite svoje mněnje na [[{{TALKPAGENAME}}|besědnoj stranici]]</u>. |}</center> S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 14 May 2025 (UTC) :Hvala! [[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Orbitminis|talk]]) 06:04, 15 May 2025 (UTC) == Dobre članky, ili članky s zvězdoju – prědloženje == Dragi! Kako vy može jeste uviděli, na tutoj Vikipediji imajemo sedm člankov, ktore ješče na Medžuviki byli označene kako ''[[:Template:Glavna/Dobry članok|«dobre članky»]]''. Suglasno opisu: «Dobrym člankam jest potrěbno imati dobry medžuslovjansky pravopis, dovoljny opis prědmeta zapisa i veliku veličinu (od 9–10 KB)». Vsaky denj jedin iz njih jest na našej [[Glavna stranica|Glavnoj stranici]]. Ja jesm dodal te članky v kategoriju ''[[:Category:Članky s zvězdoju|Članky s zvězdoju]]'', zatože dobrost jest subjektivna. Očevidno mogut byti na glavnoj stranici kako «Članok s zvědzoju», «Članok dnja», «Dobry članok» ili něčto drugo. Vo vsakom slučaju, v medžučasu my uže imajemo [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan/Zapisnik|'''60 člankov''']] večših neželi 10 KB. Zato prědlagaju dodati slědujuče članky v grupy naših najlěpših i najobširnějših člankov, takože da by bylo trohu veče variacije na glavnoj stranici: * [[Agregatno stanje]] * [[Alkibiad]] * [[Јанка Купала]] * [[Kompleksno čislo]] * [[Kritij]] – ako članok jest gotovy * [[Latinizacija ukrajinskogo jezyka]] * [[Levko Revuckyj]] * [[Maks Štirner]] * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Mojsej]] * [[Perikl]] * [[Solnce]] * [[Ukrajinska azbuka]] * [[Ukrajinsky jezyk]] * [[Ukrajinska latinica]] * [[Volodymyr Vynnyčenko]] Čto vy myslite? Očevidno, ako vy imajete prědloženja, vpišite je tu! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:58, 21 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Jane! To je dobra i potrěbna novacija. Točno paru dnev nazad my govorili v Telegramu o tom, že bylo by dobro izznačati članky, ktore sut napisane dobrym medžuslovjanskym i byli prověrjeny spoločnostju, že by čitatelji mogli znati, kde jest dobry pravopis i jezyk, a kde ne jest. :V svezju s tym, že imajemo množstvo kratkyh člankov, ale napisanyh dobrym MS, možemo dodati «Dobry članok» za člankov s dobrym pravopisom i veličinoju, i oddělno dodati «Dobry MS pravopis», kogda članok imaje dobry MS pravopis, ale ješče jest kratok. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 02:08, 22 May 2025 (UTC) ::Nu, to jest myslj. Toliko... teoretično vsaky članok imaje byti napisany dobrym MS, ne li? Čto možno bylo by sdělati, napriklad dodati znak [[Fajl:Check-blue.svg|20px]] ili [[Fajl:Green check.svg|20px]] ili něčto podobnogo nad člankami, ktore imajut prověrjeny pravopis. S tym sut toliko dva male problemy. Prvo, kto bude to dělati? A drugo, čto bude, ako někto izměni něčto v članku? Ibo togda trěba bude ponovno prověriti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:44, 22 May 2025 (UTC) :::Hah, da, imaete pravdu, Jan. V idealnom světu každy članok povinen byti napisan dobrym MS, ale vy lěpje mene znajete vsu specifiku tutogo jezyka... Mnogi ljudi tut pišut, že by praktikovati MS (ja jesm jedin iz njih) i neizběžno dělajut pogrěšky. :::Odpovědajuči na dva malyh problema: :::1) Budemo to dělati silami spoločnosti. Každu sedmicu organizujemo zajednu lekciju i čitajemo članky na glas v discord ili v telegram. Ne mogu rěkti, že vsegda, ale dostatočno često imajemo prědstavnikov vsih jezykovyh grup slovjanskyh jezykov. Pomimo togo, ja čitaju nove članky tut, vy čitajete nove članky tut, ješče ini ljudi čitajut članky. S tekučim tempom napisanja, to možno organizovati. :::2) Možemo staviti ✓ i pisati odkogda byl prověrjen članok. Napriměr: ✓ versija od 23 maja 2025 byla prověrjena spoločnostju i imaje dobry pravopis. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 03:07, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::Pozdrav, Glěbe, to by imělo sens, kako jest zelený šablon "tuty članok jest v začetku" s datom. Možlivo takože izdělati někaky maly podpis, kto korektoval ili diskutoval članok, napr. alt-tekst "obsudženo na glasovoj besědě v Telegramu 25 Maja 2025". I iztvoriti kategoriju prověrenyh člankov, da by take články legko nahoditi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:05, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::Jesm uže sdělal taku kategoriju kako eksperiment: [[:Category:Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom|Članky s prověrjenym pravopisom]]. Priklad jednoj takoj prověrjenoj stranice jest [[Proletariji vsih krajev, sjedinite se!|tu]]. Ja ne znaju, trěba li ješče dodati ime člověka, kto prověril. Ale ideja, že ljudi na Diskordu budut prověrjati članky, jest mnogo dobro. Imaju naděju, že pri okaziji budut tu veče ljudij pisati, ibo někoji iz naših aktivnějših koristnikov od několikyh měsecev uže ne javet se. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:02, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::''Visu zemju proletārieši, savienojieties! 👍'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:52, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::Budemo probovati oživiti interes k viki. V diskordu my to už dělajemo každu sedmicu, to jest aktivny proekt, ne teoretičny. ::::::šablon trěba popraviti, pri navodženju myšju na ✓ piše: ''Medžuslovjansky pravopis byl prověrjeny v 24 '''May''' 2025 g.'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:55, 24 May 2025 (UTC) :::::::Da da, ja znaju, ale toj problem avtomatično bude razrěšeny s prěhodom na vlastny domen. Prinajměnje, imaju taku naděju. ;) Ale vsekako trěba ješče porabotati nad šablonom, ibo tutčas on vsegda bude davati dnešnji denj. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:20, 24 May 2025 (UTC) ::::::::mogu pomogti s šablonon [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:31, 24 May 2025 (UTC) == Tyseč člankov! == Od včera imajemo tu 1000 člankov na medžuslovjanskom (ne včisljajuči prěnapravjenja). Tysečny članok byl [[Irak]] našego koristnika @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]. Blagodarju vam i nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s vami! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:09, 30 May 2025 (UTC) :To je velmi dobra novost, budemo imati i 2000 i 3000 i navet 10000. Ja věrju, že MS jest dobra věč i někogda bude eksponencialny rast. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:32, 3 June 2025 (UTC) == Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel == [[Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel|Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel - Wp/isv - Wikimedia Incubator]] (wiki id [[wikidata:Q9235|Q9235]]) Prosim izměniti i prěnapraviti na "Georg Wilhelm Fridrih Hegel" Hvala ljepa! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:35, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo Ilja! Nu, često govoreči ne jesm cělkovito ubědžen, že tako trěba sdělati. Po mojemu mněnju to ne izgledaje dobro, kogda imena v latinici izgledajut kako transliterovana kirilica. Imaju naděju, že kogda uže bude transfer na vlastnu domenu, najdemo někaky sposob, že v latinici izobražaje se originalna versija, a v kirilici transliterovana versija. Ale za to bude nam potrěbna pomoč od někogo, ktory lěpje razuměje cělu programaturu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::Pozdrav, Jane, ne jesm rebel i budu akceptovati vsečyo, na čto jesmo spoločno priišli [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC) :::Za několiko dnjev budu v Polskě, može porazgovorimo o tutoj kvestiji v Mihalom i Robertom. Ibo imaješ pravdu, že trěba něčto rěšiti. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:09, 15 August 2025 (UTC) ::::Doibro, hčete k Vam se tam privězem? 😌 Imaju moižlivost [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 04:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Bylo by super! To bude v petok v Poznanju: https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1989442251868960. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 07:54, 19 August 2025 (UTC) ::::::Ale 17 časin v pětok ne jest za mně velmi dobro, zato že rabotaju, i put avtom jest 6 časin od Pragi, budem to ješče rešati. Čto se tyče hitroj transliteraciji, ja jesm viděl v anglojezyčnyh šablonah koristanje inogo spellinga v zavisnosti na izbranoj lokalizaciji. Mogu to lěpje izslědovati, to by rabotalo i v inkubatoru [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:38, 19 August 2025 (UTC) :::::::Ah, ne znal jesm, že jesi iz Pragy! Može byti, že drugi ljudi takože prijedut iz Pragy? Jesi s njimi v kontaktu? :::::::A čto se tyče transliteraciji: ja imaju v vidu něčto takogo: https://sr.wikipedia.org/sr/Корисник:IJzeren_Jan/песак. Poprobuj, čto bude, ako izměniš alfabet. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC) == Pytanje o temnoj temě == Pozdrav vsim! Ja ljubim koristati temnu temu, ale ugleděl, že glavna stranica v njej izgledaje nečitajemoju. Jesm rěšil uznati, kako to sdělati, i uznal (podgleděl, kak to je iztvorjeno na ukrajinskoj viki). Trěba jedino v šablonu [[Šablon:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css|Template:Glavna/!krabka/styles.css - Wikimedia Incubator]] izpraviti <code>background: #f6f6f6</code> na <code>background: var(--background-color-neutral-subtle,#f8f9fa)</code>. I togda temna tema, kak i světla, bude dobro čitajemoju. Ja le jedino prosim [[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|Jan'a]] o tom, da by on mně dozvolil sdělati to izpravjenje v kodu. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 08:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, ako vy znajete kako to sdělati, ja ne imaju s tym problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:31, 20 August 2025 (UTC) :Hvala, Marcoorio! Dobro rabotaje tutčas. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC) == Zdrav! == Zdravo všim, ja probujem pisati na medžuslovjanskom, jeli imatě možnost, možete li ispraviti članki, kotorje ja prekladam s drugich vik? Sejčas trěba mně pomoč s člankom o hinduizmu. Silno hče, aby Wikipedija na medžuslovjanskom jeziku iz inkubatora prešla u normalno stanje. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|talk]]) 14:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC) :Zdravo! Očevidno, s prijemnostju. I ne bezpokojite se, ako dělajete grěšky. Vsaky člověk, ktory uči se, dělaje grěšky na početku. Hvala za članok! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] Aaaah, numbers have always been troublesome. Practically all Slavic languages handle things differently. But Vojta's choice here is strange in my opinion, for two reasons: using "jedna" for all genders happens only in Czech and Slovene, and writing "dvadesetjedin" as one word happens only in Slovak and Slovene (and Slovene turns them around indeed, like German does). Kroatian, Macedonian and Bulgarian add "i" (dvadeset i jedin). As for the gender of "1", Czech and Slovene use the feminine form for all genders, Polish and Slovak the masculine form for all genders, in all other languages it matches the gender of the noun. In addition, in Polish, Czech, Slovak, Slovene and Bulgarian the noun is plural (but Bulgarian uses the brojna forma for masculine nouns), in the remaining languages it is singular. The corresponding verb is plural only in Macedonian and Bulgarian: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! RU | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! BE | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! UK | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! PL | dvadeset jeden črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut |- ! CZ | dvadeset jedna črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset jedna črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset dva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset dva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SK | dvadesetjedin črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetjedin črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetdva črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetdva črnyh konjev plyva | dvadesetpet črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvadesetpet črnyh konjev plyva |- ! SL | jednaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />jednaidvadeset črnyh konj plyva | dvaidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />dvaidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva | petidvadeset črnyh ryb plyva<br />petidvadeset črnyh konjev plyva |- ! HR | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset i pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! SR | dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva<br />dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva | dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset dva črna konja plyvajut | dvadeset pet črnyh ryba plyva<br />dvadeset pet črnyh konja plyva |- ! MK | dvadeset i jedna črna ryba plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črny konj plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konji plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konji plyvajut |- ! BG | dvadeset i jedna črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i jedin črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i dvě črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i dva črni konja plyvajut | dvadeset i pet črne ryby plyvajut<br />dvadeset i pet črni konja plyvajut |} So, if we follow the majority the conclusion for Interslavic should be: '''dvadeset jedna črna ryba plyva''' (f.), '''dvadeset jedin črny konj plyva''' (m.). For 22 things are a bit simpler, although even here not all languages handle it the same way. The word "dva/dvě" is inflected for gender, the noun is nominative plural and the verb is plural as well: '''dvadeset dvě črne ryby plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset dva črni konji plyvajut''' (m.). Same goes for 23 and 24. In the case of 25, the noun is genitive plural and the verb is plural, too: '''dvadeset pet črnyh ryb plyvajut''' (f.), '''dvadeset pet črnyh konjev plyvajut''' (m.). In other words, the system in Interslavic is simple: 21–29 are formed just like 1–9, only with the addition of "dvadeset". And that was just the nominative. For other cases things get a lot more complicated. Some languages inflect "dvadeset", other languages don't. My recommendation would be to go for the simplest natural solution, which means: leave "dvadeset" untouched, inflect "dva" i "pet", and let the noun match the case of the numeral. Not that I would consider inflecting "dvadeset" an error, though. Like this: {| class="wikitable" ! !! 21 !! 22 !! 25 |- ! Nom./Acc. | dvadeset jedin črny konj | dvadeset dva črni konji | dvadeset pet črnyh konjev |- ! Gen. | dvadeset jednogo črnogo konja | dvadeset dvoh črnyh konjev | dvadeset peti črnyh konjev |- ! Dat. | dvadeset jednomu črnomu konju | dvadeset dvom črnym konjam | dvadeset peti črnym konjam |- ! Instr. | dvadeset jednym črnym konjem | dvadeset dvoma črnymi konjami | dvadeset petju črnymi konjami |} Does that help? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:06, 20 November 2025 (UTC) :That's amazing, thank you for such a detailed answer. I would think that Vojtěch decided to go with a more simplistic option. I guess when it comes to a semi-synthetic language such as ISV, it's always a choice on the continuum of simplicity-naturality. :Just FYI, Russian, as well as all the southern Slavic languages, I imagine, is also using singular genitive case for masculine nouns of the 2-4 forms. That's why I'm always making this mistake in ISV 😁. (Which is also skewing the majority rule a little bit lol) :двадцать два черных коня :Три черных коня :четыре коня :пять коней :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB45a3gCb4 :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:14, 20 November 2025 (UTC) ::Yeah, some languages tend to go really funny when it comes to numbers. It's quite crazy when you think of it: you mean plural, but you write genitive singular for the noun and genitive plural for the adjective, and if that's not enough, it also depends on gender. Well, Polish isn't any better. For example, for male persons it suddenly puts the number in the genitive instead of the nominative. But in Interslavic we always try to keep it as simple and regular as possible, but without oversimplifying things. Hence 1: nom.sg., 2–4: nom.pl., 5-9 and 0: gen.pl. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:45, 21 November 2025 (UTC) :::😁 that is truly crazy, I have my own explanation to this, which is not necessarily correct, but it seems logical to me. :::2-4 forms are perceived as ''dvě-četyri jedinicy'' (of something, for example, ''dva konja = dvě jedinicy konja'', etc.), in that case it makes sense why, for example it's ''dvě ryby. Ryby'' in that case is also singular genitive, but the forms for singular genitive and plural nominative coincide for feminine gender and differ for masculine. :::Anyhow, thanks again. I'm not asking this out of prazdnogo interesa, but because I need it for something I'm doing. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:57, 22 November 2025 (UTC) == Za vašu informaciju == Informuju, že na besědnoj stranici Jezyčnogo komiteta jesm napisal [[:meta:Talk:Language committee#Approval of Interslavic Wikipedia (fourth request)|četvrto podanje]] za odobrjenje našej medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. V avgustu tekučego goda jedin člen komiteta napisal, že diskusija o njej byla započeta, ale poslě četyreh měsecev ješče nemaje nikakogo rezultata toj diskusije, ačekoli v medžučasu razne druge, menje aktivne projekty uže byli odobrjene. Imaju naděju, že nakonec i naš projekt bude odobrjeny i prěneseny na vlastnu domenu! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:01, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Заправду было бы добро разумети, что ест причиною такого долго опоздненья. Не до конца ест ясно, чи они просто не имают часа, желанья или можности сбирати се и дискутовати о том, или мы есмо повинни сделати некаку работу, абы демонстровати им, же езык наш ест пригодны за "диссеминацию знанья". Да и генерально имети выше прозрачности тутого процеса было бы добро. :Едночасно с тым, ачеколи и не хчу указывати на ине проекты прстом, але интересно было бы знати, как допомагают разпространенью знанья ине проекты, кторе уж сут были одобрене... [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:47, 28 December 2025 (UTC) ::Čestno govoreči, ja ne myslju, že my dělajemo něčto nedobro. Aktivnost jest. Surabotniki sut. Sodržanje jest. Ja podozrěvaju, že naš jezyk i naš projekt jih prosto malo interesujut. Jest mnogo ljudij, za ktoryh etiketka «umětny jezyk» stači, da by uznali, že to jest něčto neserioznogo, glupy hobi někakoj bandy blaznov. Ne govorju, že akurat oni myslet tako, ale vsekto može viděti, že jihny podhod k nam ne jest velmi gorlivy. Kromě togo, imaju vpečatljenje, že večinstvo členov toj komisije sut abo sovsim neaktivni, abo v najlěpšem slučaju poluaktivni. ::A čto se tyče tyh tako nazyvajemyh «ďiskusij», nakoliko ja vidžu, v občem one sostojet samo iz pytanja jednogo člena «jest li tu někto protiv odobrjenju projekta X» i odgovorov dvoh ili maksimalno treh členov, že ne sut protivni. Ja znaju, že takože imajut privatny e-poštny spis za razgovory o ljudah, ale kromě togo, cěla rabota komisije oficialno jest prozračna. Nu, ale možemo filozovati o tom, čemu oni nas postojanno ignorujut, ale to nikomu ne pomože, takto trěba nam prosti čekati, čto bude. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:57, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :::Na žalost, jesm viděl mnogo takyh ljudij navet posrěd tyh, ktori sut vysoko postavjeni v sistemě edukacije. :::I ne znal jesm, že jihna aktivnost najglavno publična i vsečto možemo viděti v portalu wikimedia. Už ne znam, jesm li tomu rady, ibo ne izgleda to kak pracovito muravišče. :::Filozovati ne pomože, ale htělo by se znati, či možemo něčto sdělati, aby uskoriti tutoj proces. Nu, jestli ne možemo, budemo čekati. :::Hvala za uporstvo, Jane! [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 20:21, 28 December 2025 (UTC) :Velika hvala, Jane, da ne zabezpamětavajete pingovati Komitet, myslím, že jednogo dnja oni se budut vzdavati, bo naša inkubatorna wiki uže jest velmi kvalitna i interesna i jest večša, než mnogo oficialnyh wiki. Za nas, kako redaktorov, jest vážno prodolžati dělati krasny zajimlivy kontent, to bude velmi pomočno vo vseh slučajah. Hvala i ščestny Novy God! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:10, 29 December 2025 (UTC) ::Imajete pravdu, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], jesm sovsim suglasen! Trěba rabotati dalje i vse bude dobro. Vam i vsim ostalym takože želaju ščestnogo Novogo Goda! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:16, 29 December 2025 (UTC) :::Uže jesm v kontaktu s jednym iz členov komisije. Vse izgledaje dobro, ale trěba bude ješče razrěšiti několiko tehničnyh děl svezanyh s transliteracijeju. Povrnu se k tomu, ale v medžučasu želaju vam ješče raz ščestlivogo goda 2026 – očevidno s istinnoju medžuslovjanskoju vikipedijeju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:59, 1 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Pravda? To je mnogo dobra vest! Budemo nadejati se, že v tutom godu uže bude vlastna Vikipedija. Vam takogo že ščestlivogo Novogo Goda 2026! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-20946|&#126;2026-20946]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-20946|talk]]) 01:06, 2 January 2026 (UTC) == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well: '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' й і ї '''ј к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpamětajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::# {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) t4oa6n89tzh3f7830id7bfu2dgygxzh Karakal 0 1133 27125 8472 2026-06-25T18:06:07Z Ilja isv 10 /* Život */ 27125 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka vid | nazva = Karakal | nazva-lat = <center>{{Lang|la|Caracal}}</center> | čas = | foto = [[Fajl:Caracal_on_the_road,_early_morning_in_Kgalagadi_(36173878220) (cropped).jpg|center|thumb|Karakal v [[Transgraničny park Kgalagadi|Transgraničnom parku Kgalagadi]]]] | foto_alt = Karakal v [[Transgraničny park Kgalagadi|Transgraničnom parku Kgalagadi]] | shranjenje = S minimalnym rizikom {{-|(LC) IUCN3.1}}<ref name=iucn>{{Cite journal|journal=[[The IUCN Red List of Threatened Species]] |publisher=[[IUCN]] |title=''Caracal caracal'' |author=Avgan, B. |author2=Henschel, P. |author3=Ghoddousi, A.|name-list-style=amp |date=2016|volume=2016|page=e.T3847A102424310 |url=https://www.iucnredlist.org/species/3847/102424310 |doi=10.2305/IUCN.UK.2016-2.RLTS.T3847A50650230.en|access-date=15 January 2022}}</ref> | opisany = {{-|Schreber}} in 1776<ref>{{Cite book |last1=Schreber |first1=J. C. D. |chapter=Der Karakal |title=Die Säugethiere in Abbildungen nach der Natur mit Beschreibungen |date=1777 |pages=413–414 |location=Erlangen |publisher=Wolfgang Walther |chapter-url=https://archive.org/stream/SaYugthiereAbbiIIISchr#page/413/mode/1up}}</ref> | domen = {{Lang|la|Eukaryota}} | carstvo = {{Lang|la|Animalia}} | tip = {{Lang|la|Chordata}} | klasa = {{Lang|la|Mammalia}} | odděl = {{Lang|la|Carnivora}} | pododděl = {{Lang|la|Feliformia}} | rodina = {{Lang|la|Felidae}} | podrodina = {{Lang|la|Felinae}} | rod = {{Lang|la|Caracal}} | vid = {{Lang|la|C. caracal}} | binominalno-ime = {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal}}, {{-|([[Johann Christian Daniel von Schreber|Schreber]], 1776)}} | odkryl = | areal = [[Fajl:Caracal Geographical Range.svg|center|Areal razprostranjenja karakala v 2016 godu.<ref name = iucn/>]] | areal_size = | areal_alt = | synonyms = *''C. aharonii'' {{Small|([[Paul Matschie|Matschie]], 1912)}} *''C. bengalensis'' {{Small|(J. B. Fischer, 1829)}} *''C. berberorum'' {{Small|Matschie, 1892}} *''C. coloniae'' {{Small|[[Oldfield Thomas|Thomas]], 1926}} *''C. corylinus'' {{Small|(Matschie, 1912)}} *''C. medjerdae'' {{Small|(Matschie, 1912)}} *''C. melanotis'' {{Small|[[John Edward Gray|Gray]], 1843}} *''C. melanotix'' {{Small|Gray, 1843}} *''C. michaelis'' {{Small|Heptner, 1945}} *''C. roothi'' {{Small|(Roberts, 1926)}} *''C. spatzi'' {{Small|(Matschie, 1912)}} | synonyms_ref = }} '''Karakal''' ({{Lang|la|Caracal caracal}}), takože znajemy kako '''Persijsky rys''' ili '''Afrikansky rys''', jest [[Kotove|dikym kotom]]. Karakal jest shodny s [[rys]]om, ale jest vyše blizko srodny [[serval]]u. Karakali sut najbystrejši iz malyh kotovyh. == Izgled == Karakal imaje 65&nbsp;{{-|c}}m dolžiny těla i 30&nbsp;{{-|c}}m [[hvost]]. Imaje dolge [[nogy]] i izgledaje velmi shodno s rysom. Kolor srsti može byti [[Bordo (kolor)|bordo]], sědy, črny ili pěsočny (odtěnok žoltogo). Mladi karakali imajut črvene petna na srsti, ale jedine odznaky, ktore imajut dorastli karakali, sut črne točky nad [[Oko|očami]]. Osoblivoju čestju těla karakala sut dolge črne uši - nazva "karakal" proizhodi od [[Turkijske jezyky|turkijskogo]] slova ''karakulak'' ("črno uho"). Jihne uši upravjajut se 20 raznami [[myšca]]mi, da by pomogli tutomu zvěru nahoditi te životiny, ktore oni lovet. == Život == [[Fajl:Lightmatter caracal.jpg|thumb|left|Karakal v zoologičnom parku [[San Diego|San-Diega]]]] Karakali živut v [[Afrika|Afrikě]] i [[Zapadna Azija|Zapadnoj Aziji]]. Jihnoju domovinoju sut suhe [[step]]y (oblasti bez [[Drěvo|drěv]], pokryte [[Trava|travoju]] ili [[kust]]ami) i polopustynje, ale oni mogut takože žiti v městah, shodnyh s [[lěs]]om, [[savanna]]mi ili [[Buš (krajevid)|bušem]]. Oni živut sami ili s partnerom na [[Ozemja|ozemji]]. Karakal može žiti velmi dolgo bez pitja - oni berut [[Voda|vodu]] iz těl životnyh, ktoryh jedajut. Oni lovet nočju (v zimě takože i dnem) [[myš]]i, [[gryzun]]ov, [[Ptica|ptice]], [[Cesarka|cesarky]] i [[zajec]]ev. To ne jest obyčno, ale poněkogda oni lovet i male [[Antilopa|antilopy]]. Prědpočitajut jedati toliko vněšno [[meso]] sosavcev, ktoryh lovet, i ne jedati vnutrne [[Organizm|organy]], oni takože ne jedajut srst. Ale oni sjedajut [[perje]] malyh ptic i takože gnilo meso. Oni umějut loviti ptice velmi dobro; karakal može nahvatati pticu v letu, poněkogda vyše, než jednu za raz. Karakali velmi dobro skakajut, čto jim davaje možnost loviti [[Daman (zvěr)|damanov]] lěpje, než ktorykoli iny [[mesožerec]]. == Karakali i ljudi == Zatože oni mogut byti priručeni i priučajut se žiti s ljudmi, karakalov poněkogda držet kako domašnjih zvěrov (osobljivo v [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjenyh Štatah]] i něktoryh državah [[Evropa|Evropy]]). Fermeri v Afrikě jih ne navidět za to, že oni vhodet v [[Ferma|fermy]] i sjedajut [[Kura|kur]] i drugyh životnyh. Za to oni gonet karakalov [[Pes|psami]]. Jih ne jest legko uviděti v prirodě zatože oni shovajut se velmi dobro. Šoferi v državah, kde živut karakali, napriměr, v [[Kenija|Keniji]] i [[Botsvana|Botswaně]] videt množstvo raznyh životnyh pri trasah, ale uviděti karakala jest velika rědkost. == Vidy karakala == Jestvuje mnogo [[Vid (biologija)|vidov]] karakala, tut jest jih spisok i kde oni živut: * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal caracal}}, Iztočna, Centralna i [[Južna Afrika]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal algira}}, [[Sěverna Afrika]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal damarensis}}, [[Namibija]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal limpopoensis}}, [[Botswana]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal lucani}}, [[Gabon]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal michaelis}}, [[Turkmenistan]] ([[Izmiranje|ogroženy]]) * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal nubicus}}, [[Etiopija]], [[Sudan]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal poecilictis}}, [[Zapadna Afrika]] * {{Lang|la|Caracal caracal schmitzi}}, Zapadna Afrika, [[Iran]], [[Arabija]], [[Pakistan]] i [[Indija]] == Zri takože == * [[Kot]] * [[Diky kot]] * [[Manul]] * [[Lev]] * [[Rys]] == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} == Vnešnje linky == {{Prěvod|simple|Caracal}} [[Kategorija:Zvěri]] [[Kategorija:Kotovi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q30847}} sf26etrhfqlxpf9l5fipng24am0oh2c Komi-permjačsky jezyk 0 1180 27090 8853 2026-06-25T14:46:24Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Vněšnje linky */ 27090 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Komi-permjačsky jezyk | nativename = Перем коми кыв | image = Komi-Permian language map.svg | imagecaption = Karta Permskogo kraja, s označenjem teritorij komi-permjačskyh dialektov | speakers = 41 447 (2020)<ref name="naseljenje2020">{{Cite web | url = https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab4_VPN-2020.xlsx | title = Всероссийская перепись населения 2020 года | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20230326024701/https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab4_VPN-2020.xlsx | archive-date = 2023-03-26 | access-date = 2025-09-14 | language = ru}}</ref> | states = [[Rosija]] | nation = [[Permsky kraj]] | script = [[Kirilica]] | family = *[[Uralske jezyky]] **[[Ugrofinske jezyky]] ***[[Permske jezyky]] ****[[Komi jezyk]] *****'''Komi-permjačsky''' | iso1 = kv | iso3 = koi }} '''Komi-permjačsky jezyk''' ({{Lang|kv|перем коми кыв}} ili {{Lang|kv|коми-пермяцкӧй кыв}}) jest jedin iz trěh variantov mnogocentričnogo jezyka [[Komi jezyk|komi]], zajedno s [[Komi-zyrjansky jezyk|komi-zyrjanskom]] i [[Komi-jazvinsky jezyk|komi-jazvinskom]], naležeči k [[Permske jezyk|permskoj grupy]] [[Uralske jezyky|uralskoj jezyčnoj rodiny]]. K tutoj grupě takože naleži [[udmurtsky jezyk]]. Komi-permjačsky jest materinsky jezyk komi-permjakov, živučih v sěverozapadnoj česti [[Permsky kraj|Permskogo kraja]], južno od [[Republika Komi|Republiky Komi]]. Od 1925 do 2005 g. byl služebny jezyk [[Komi-permjačsky avtonomny okrug|Komi-permjačskogo avtonomnogo okruga]] pored [[Russky jezyk|russkogo]], ale vslěd referenduma 2003 g. avtonomny okrug slil se v [[Permska oblast|Permskoju oblastju]] v Permsky kraj i prěstal byti federalny subjekt [[Rosija|Rosijskoj federacije]]. Čislo govoriteljev komi-permjačskogo jezyka jest padajuče, od 94 328 (2002)<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.gks.ru/free_doc/new_site/population/demo/per-itog/tab6.xls | title = Всероссийская перепись населения 2002 года | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20230323195531/http://www.perepis2002.ru/ct/doc/TOM_04_04.xls | archive-date = 2023-03-23 | access-date = 2025-09-14 | language = ru}}</ref> do 41 447 (2020 g.).<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab4_VPN-2020.xlsx | title = Всероссийская перепись населения 2020 года | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20230326024701/https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/Tom5_tab4_VPN-2020.xlsx | archive-date = 2023-03-26 | access-date = 2025-09-14 | language = ru}}</ref> V komi-permjačskom sut četyri glavne grupy dialektov: južna (vključaje kudymkarsko-invensky, nižnjeinvensky, onkovsky, nerdvinsky dialekty), sěverna (kočevsky, kosinsko-kamsky, myslovsky, verhlupjinske dialekty), vrhnjekamsky i [[Komi-jazvinsky jezyk|komi-jazvinsky]] (poněkogda uvažany za oddělny jezyk). Na komi-permjačskom jezyku izhodi gazeta «{{Lang|kv|Кама кытшын}}». == Azbuka == Komi-permjačsky piše se s pomočju varianta [[Kirilica|kiriličnoj azbuky]], osnovanogo na [[Russky jezyk|russkoj]] s někojimi dodatočnymi bukvami ('''{{-|[[І (kirilica)|і]]}}''', '''{{-|[[Ӧ (kirilica)|ӧ]]}}'''). Komi-permjačsky alfabet jest identičny [[Komi-zyrjansky jezyk|komi-zyrjanskomu]] i sostoji iz slědujučih bukv: {| align=center style="font-family:Microsoft Sans Serif; font-size:1.4em; border-color:#000000; border-width:1px; border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; background-color:#efefef;" | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[А (kirilica)|А а]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Б|Б б]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[В (kirilica)|В в]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Г|Г г]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Д|Д д]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Е (kirilica)|Е е]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ё (kirilica)|Ё ё]]}} |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ж|Ж ж]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[З|З з]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[И|И и]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[І (kirilica)|І і]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Й|Й й]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[К (kirilica)|К к]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Л|Л л]]}} |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[М (kirilica)|М м]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Н (kirilica)|Н н]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[О (kirilica)|О о]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ӧ (kirilica)|Ӧ ӧ]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[П|П п]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Р (kirilica)|Р р]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[С (kirilica)|С с]]}} |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Т (kirilica)|Т т]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[У (kirilica)|У у]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ф|Ф ф]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Х (kirilica)|Х х]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ц|Ц ц]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ч|Ч ч]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ш|Ш ш]]}} |- | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Щ|Щ щ]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ъ|Ъ ъ]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ы|Ы ы]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ь|Ь ь]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Э|Э э]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Ю|Ю ю]]}} | style="width:3em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|[[Я|Я я]]}} |} Tutoj byl vvedeny v 1938 g. S izključenjem 19. stolětja i početka 20. stolětja, komi-permjačsky vsegda byl pisany tymže samym alfabetom kako komi-zyrjansky: [[Molodcovsky alfabet|molodcovskym alfabetom]] (1918–1932, 1936–1938), [[Latinica|latiniceju]] (1932–1936) i kiriliceju (raněje). Jednakože byli takože proby stvorjenja oddělnogo komi-permjačskogo alfabeta, napriklad slědujuči alfabet iz 1897 g.: [[Fajl:Komi-permyak alphabet 1897.JPG | center | Komi-permjačsky alfabet iz 1897 g.]] == Priklady == Kratky komi-permjačsky razgovornik:<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.finnougoria.ru/community/folk/9/detail.php?IBLOCK_ID=46&SECTION_ID=347&ELEMENT_ID=2271 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20120106210742/https://www.finnougoria.ru/community/folk/9/detail.php?IBLOCK_ID=46&SECTION_ID=347&ELEMENT_ID=2271 | archive-date = 2012-01-06 | title = Краткий разговорник | website = finnougoria.ru}}</ref> * {{-|Олат-вылат!}} – ''Zdravo!'' * {{-|Бур лун!}} – ''Dobry denj!'' * {{-|Адззисьлытöдз!}} – ''Do viděnja!'' * {{-|Быдöс бур!}} – ''Vse dobro!'' * {{-|Аттьö!}} – ''Hvala, blagodarju!'' * {{-|Пожалуйста!}} – ''Prošu!'' * {{-|Извинитö!}} – ''Izvinite! * {{-|Бур сёйöм!}} – ''Dobrogo apetita!'' * {{-|Выль годöн!}} – ''S novym godom!'' * {{-|Да}} – ''Da'' * {{-|Не}} – ''Ne'' == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * [http://komiperm.ru/komi-perm-rus_slovar Komi-permjačsko – russky slovnik] * [https://koi.wikipedia.org/wiki/Пондӧтчан_листбок Vikipedija na komi-permjačskom] * [[:File:Opyt grammatiki permiatskago iazyka (IA opytgrammatikipe00rogo).pdf|Komi-permjačska gramatika iz 1860 g.]] {{Uralske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Uralske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Komi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q56318}} hv6mbcs82odik89fph0kmrxbaesidbz Lao-czy 0 1229 27067 9581 2026-06-25T13:45:00Z Ilja isv 10 27067 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:300px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#4B0082; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Lao-czy<br /><span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">{{-|Lǎozǐ · 老子}}</span> |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Lao Tzu - Project Gutenberg eText 15250.jpg|250px]]<br /><small>Lao-czy izobraženy kako božestvo</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Rodil se: | priblizno 604 prěd N.E.<br />[[Chu (država)|Država Chu]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Umrl: | 5. stolětje prěd N.E.<br />[[Chu (država)|Država Chu]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Oblast: | Filozof, arhivist, pisatelj |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Filozofija |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Region: | [[Kitajska filozofija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Škola: | [[Taoizm]] |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Glavne ideje |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em; font-size:95%;" | * '''[[Tao]]''' (Put) * '''[[Wu wei]]''' (Nedějanje) * [[Pu (filozofija)|Pu]] (Nerezany blok) * Jin i Jang |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Značime tvorby |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-style:italic;" | ''[[Tao Te Ching|Tao Te Czin]]'' |} '''Lao-czy''' (kit. 老子; ''pīnyīn. Lǎo Zǐl;'' priblizno 6-o stolětje prěd N.E. - priblizno 5-o stolětje prěd N.E.) - drěvnekitajsky, polulegendarny filozof, ktoromu pripisyvajut avtorstvo klasičnogo filozofskogo traktata [[Taoizm]]a "Tao Te T́zin". Moderna historična nauka podvrgaje sumněnju historičnost Lao-czy, jednako že, v naučnoj literaturě on često izznačaje se kako zaroditelj taoizma. Jego ime doslovno znači "Mudry Starec", i, věrojetno, bylo izmysleno. Moderna nauka obyčno razgledaje jego biografične dane kako vyše pozdne izmysly, a jego opus kako surabotu několikyh pisateljev. "Tao Te T́zin" okazal gluboky vliv na kitajske religiozne dviženja i na naslědnyh kitajskyh filozofov, ktori široko komentovali, hvalili i kritikovali jego tekst. V 20 stolětju kritika historikov privědla k teorijam, stavečim pod sumněnje čas napisanja i až samo jestvovanje Lao-czy, utvrdžajuča, že prijety tekst "Tao Te T́zin" byl stvoreny jedino v period Vojujučih carstv (priblizno 475 - 221 rok prěd N.E.) i byl produktom pracy několikyh avtorov. == Iztočniky == {{Prěvod|en|Laozi}}. [[Kategorija:Kitajski filozofi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9333}} hxr92u0g102qdwtcshy6ta6curbqe94 27068 27067 2026-06-25T13:47:24Z Ilja isv 10 27068 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:300px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#4B0082; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Lao-czy<br /><span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">{{-|Lǎozǐ · 老子}}</span> |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Lao Tzu - Project Gutenberg eText 15250.jpg|250px]]<br /><small>Lao-czy izobraženy kako božestvo</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Rodil se: | priblizno 604 prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Umrl: | 5. stolětje prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Oblast: | Filozof, arhivist, pisatelj |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Filozofija |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Region: | [[Kitajska filozofija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Škola: | [[Taoizm]] |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Glavne ideje |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em; font-size:95%;" | * '''[[Tao]]''' (Put) * '''[[Wu wei]]''' (Nedějanje) * [[Pu (filozofija)|Pu]] (Nerezany blok) * Jin i Jang |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Značime tvorby |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-style:italic;" | ''[[Tao Te Ching|Tao Te Czin]]'' |} '''Lao-czy''' (kit. 老子; ''pīnyīn. Lǎo Zǐl;'' priblizno 6-o stolětje prěd N.E. - priblizno 5-o stolětje prěd N.E.) - drěvnekitajsky, polulegendarny filozof, ktoromu pripisyvajut avtorstvo klasičnogo filozofskogo traktata [[Taoizm]]a "Tao Te T́zin". Moderna historična nauka podvrgaje sumněnju historičnost Lao-czy, jednako že, v naučnoj literaturě on često izznačaje se kako zaroditelj taoizma. Jego ime doslovno znači "Mudry Starec", i, věrojetno, bylo izmysleno. Moderna nauka obyčno razgledaje jego biografične dane kako vyše pozdne izmysly, a jego opus kako surabotu několikyh pisateljev. "Tao Te T́zin" okazal gluboky vliv na kitajske religiozne dviženja i na naslědnyh kitajskyh filozofov, ktori široko komentovali, hvalili i kritikovali jego tekst. V 20 stolětju kritika historikov privědla k teorijam, stavečim pod sumněnje čas napisanja i až samo jestvovanje Lao-czy, utvrdžajuča, že prijety tekst "Tao Te T́zin" byl stvoreny jedino v period Vojujučih carstv (priblizno 475 - 221 rok prěd N.E.) i byl produktom pracy několikyh avtorov. == Iztočniky == {{Prěvod|en|Laozi}}. [[Kategorija:Kitajski filozofi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9333}} i5wcj2zs07mkop7gtocicg0b2damqi3 27069 27068 2026-06-25T13:47:52Z Ilja isv 10 /* Iztočniky */ 27069 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:300px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#4B0082; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Lao-czy<br /><span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">{{-|Lǎozǐ · 老子}}</span> |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Lao Tzu - Project Gutenberg eText 15250.jpg|250px]]<br /><small>Lao-czy izobraženy kako božestvo</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Rodil se: | priblizno 604 prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Umrl: | 5. stolětje prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Oblast: | Filozof, arhivist, pisatelj |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Filozofija |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Region: | [[Kitajska filozofija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Škola: | [[Taoizm]] |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Glavne ideje |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em; font-size:95%;" | * '''[[Tao]]''' (Put) * '''[[Wu wei]]''' (Nedějanje) * [[Pu (filozofija)|Pu]] (Nerezany blok) * Jin i Jang |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Značime tvorby |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-style:italic;" | ''[[Tao Te Ching|Tao Te Czin]]'' |} '''Lao-czy''' (kit. 老子; ''pīnyīn. Lǎo Zǐl;'' priblizno 6-o stolětje prěd N.E. - priblizno 5-o stolětje prěd N.E.) - drěvnekitajsky, polulegendarny filozof, ktoromu pripisyvajut avtorstvo klasičnogo filozofskogo traktata [[Taoizm]]a "Tao Te T́zin". Moderna historična nauka podvrgaje sumněnju historičnost Lao-czy, jednako že, v naučnoj literaturě on često izznačaje se kako zaroditelj taoizma. Jego ime doslovno znači "Mudry Starec", i, věrojetno, bylo izmysleno. Moderna nauka obyčno razgledaje jego biografične dane kako vyše pozdne izmysly, a jego opus kako surabotu několikyh pisateljev. "Tao Te T́zin" okazal gluboky vliv na kitajske religiozne dviženja i na naslědnyh kitajskyh filozofov, ktori široko komentovali, hvalili i kritikovali jego tekst. V 20 stolětju kritika historikov privědla k teorijam, stavečim pod sumněnje čas napisanja i až samo jestvovanje Lao-czy, utvrdžajuča, že prijety tekst "Tao Te T́zin" byl stvoreny jedino v period Vojujučih carstv (priblizno 475 - 221 rok prěd N.E.) i byl produktom pracy několikyh avtorov. == Iztočniky == {{Prěvod|en|Laozi}} [[Kategorija:Kitajski filozofi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9333}} bbmam4cb7e4axn96r43rbayznuwm624 27070 27069 2026-06-25T13:50:08Z Ilja isv 10 27070 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:300px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#4B0082; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Lao-czy<br /><span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">{{-|Lǎozǐ · 老子}}</span> |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Lao Tzu - Project Gutenberg eText 15250.jpg|250px]]<br /><small>Lao-czy izobraženy kako božestvo</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Rodil se: | priblizno 604 prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Umrl: | 5. stolětje prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Oblast: | Filozof, arhivist, pisatelj |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Filozofija |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Region: | [[Kitajska filozofija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Škola: | [[Taoizm]] |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Glavne ideje |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em; font-size:95%;" | * '''[[Tao]]''' (Put) * '''[[Wu wei]]''' (Nedějanje) * [[Pu (filozofija)|Pu]] (Nerezany blok) * Jin i Jang |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Značime tvorby |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-style:italic;" | ''[[Tao Te Ching|Tao Te Czin]]'' |} '''Lao-czy''' (kit. 老子; ''pīnyīn. Lǎo Zǐl;'' priblizno 6-o stolětje prěd N.E. - priblizno 5-o stolětje prěd N.E.) - drěvnekitajsky, polulegendarny filozof, ktoromu pripisyvajut avtorstvo klasičnogo filozofskogo traktata [[Taoizm]]a "Tao Te T́zin". Moderna historična nauka podvrgaje sumněnju historičnost Lao-czy, jednako že, v naučnoj literaturě on često izznačaje se kako zaroditelj taoizma. Jego ime doslovno znači "Mudry Starec", i, věrojetno, bylo izmysleno. Moderna nauka obyčno razgledaje jego biografične dane kako vyše pozdne izmysly, a jego opus kako surabotu několikyh pisateljev. "Tao Te T́zin" okazal gluboky vliv na kitajske religiozne dviženja i na naslědnyh kitajskyh filozofov, ktori široko komentovali, hvalili i kritikovali jego tekst. V 20 stolětju kritika historikov privědla k teorijam, stavečim pod sumněnje čas napisanja i až samo jestvovanje Lao-czy, utvrdžajuča, že prijety tekst "Tao Te T́zin" byl stvoreny jedino v period Vojujučih carstv (priblizno 475 - 221 rok prěd N.E.) i byl produktom pracy několikyh avtorov. == Čitati dalje == * {{Cite web| title=Tao te Tzin (latiniceju)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/ve2d1odP3C9}} * {{Cite web| title=Тао Те Тзин (кирилицеjy)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/8Oq-jOIo031}} == Iztočniky == {{Prěvod|en|Laozi}} [[Kategorija:Kitajski filozofi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9333}} 50fqcpxfmk0ca01g2d3tua6l5g6p0ea 27071 27070 2026-06-25T13:52:56Z Ilja isv 10 27071 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:300px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#4B0082; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Lao-czy<br /><span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">{{-|Lǎozǐ · 老子}}</span> |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Lao Tzu - Project Gutenberg eText 15250.jpg|250px]]<br /><small>Lao-czy izobraženy kako božestvo</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Rodil se: | priblizno 604 prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Umrl: | 5. stolětje prěd N.E.<br />[[Ču (država)|Država Ču]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Oblast: | Filozof, arhivist, pisatelj |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Filozofija |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Region: | [[Kitajska filozofija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Škola: | [[Taoizm]] |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Glavne ideje |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em; font-size:95%;" | * '''[[Tao]]''' (Put) * '''[[Wu wei]]''' (Nedějanje) * [[Pu (filozofija)|Pu]] (Nerezany blok) * Jin i Jang |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#e6e6fa; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Značime tvorby |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; font-style:italic;" | ''[[Tao Te Tzin]]'' |} '''Lao-czy''' (kit. 老子; ''pīnyīn. Lǎo Zǐl;'' priblizno 6-o stolětje prěd N.E. - priblizno 5-o stolětje prěd N.E.) - drěvnekitajsky, polulegendarny filozof, ktoromu pripisyvajut avtorstvo klasičnogo filozofskogo traktata [[Taoizm]]a "Tao Te Tzin". Moderna historična nauka podvrgaje sumněnju historičnost Lao-czy, jednako že, v naučnoj literaturě on često izznačaje se kako zaroditelj taoizma. Jego ime doslovno znači "Mudry Starec", i, věrojetno, bylo izmysleno. Moderna nauka obyčno razgledaje jego biografične dane kako vyše pozdne izmysly, a jego opus kako surabotu několikyh pisateljev. "Tao Te Tzin" okazal gluboky vliv na kitajske religiozne dviženja i na naslědnyh kitajskyh filozofov, ktori široko komentovali, hvalili i kritikovali jego tekst. V 20 stolětju kritika historikov privědla k teorijam, stavečim pod sumněnje čas napisanja i až samo jestvovanje Lao-czy, utvrdžajuča, že prijety tekst "Tao Te Tzin" byl stvoreny jedino v period Vojujučih carstv (priblizno 475 - 221 rok prěd n.e.) i byl produktom pracy několikyh avtorov. == Čitati dalje == * {{Cite web| title=Tao te Tzin (latiniceju)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/ve2d1odP3C9}} * {{Cite web| title=Тао Те Тзин (кирилицеjy)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/8Oq-jOIo031}} == Iztočniky == {{Prěvod|en|Laozi}} [[Kategorija:Kitajski filozofi]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9333}} rh6pmuz5zz1xzct92ygzvgb0whnuve9 Měsec (period) 0 1392 27205 11645 2026-06-26T09:54:52Z Ilja isv 10 /* Slovjansky kalendar */ 27205 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Měsec''' jest jedinica [[čas]]a koriščena v kalendaru, približno dolga kako orbitalny period satelita [[Měsec]]a. Tradicijna koncepcija se pojavila s ciklom měsečnyh stadij, kde jedin lunarny měsec trvaje približno 29.53 [[Denj|dnjev]]. Iz arheologičnyh nahodok, izslědovatelji sut zaključili, da sut ljudi izčisljali dnjev v kontekstu Měseca ješče za [[Kamenna doba|kamennoj doby]]. Takovy měsec jest osnovy za mnogo kalendarev, a obyčno jedno [[God|lěto]] děli se na 12 měsecev. V [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjanskyh jezykah]] nazvy měsecev variujut, kde približno polovina koristi latinske, a polovina svoje [[#Slovjansky kalendar|originalne slovjanske nazvy]]. Slovjanske nazvy slědujut prirodne pojavy i agrikulturno dělanje v svojej krajině, pa srodne nazvy mogut stojati za različne měsece. Napriklad: ''{{-|listopad}}'' znači «november» v poljskom, češskom i ukrajinskom, ale «oktobr» v hrvatskom. Iz toj pričiny koristanje slovjanskyh nazv odsovětuje se v [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom]]; zaměsto latinskyh nazv někoji prědpočitajut slědujuče razrěšenje: ''prvy měsec'' (januar), ''vtory měsec'' (fevruar) i t.d. Večinstvo indoevropejskyh jezykov dnes koristaje [[Latinsky jezyk|latinske]] nazvy. ==Měsece v različnyh kalendarah== ===Rimsky kalendar=== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- ! Poredok !! Latinsky !! Anglijsky !! Prěklad !! Broj dnjev |- | 1 || Ianuarius || January || januar/sěčenj || 31 |- | 2 || Februarius || February || fevruar/ljuty || 28* |- | 3 || Martius || March || marec/brězenj || 31 |- | 4 || Aprilis || April || aprilj/cvětenj || 30 |- | 5 || Maius || May || maj/travenj || 31 |- | 6 || Iunius || June || junij/črvenj || 30 |- | 7 || Quintilis || July || julij/lipenj || 31 |- | 8 || Sextilis || August || avgust/srpenj || 31 |- | 9 || colspan="2"|September || septembr/vresenj || 30 |- | 10 || colspan="2"|October || oktobr/rujenj || 31 |- | 11 || colspan="2"|November || novembr/listopad || 30 |- | 12 || colspan="2"|December || dekembr/sněženj || 31 |- ! colspan=6|<small>*29 v prěstupnom godu</small> |} ===Slovjansky kalendar=== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size: smaller;" ! Jezyk ! januar ! fevruar ! marec ! aprilj ! maj ! junij ! julij ! avgust ! septembr ! oktobr ! novembr ! dekembr |- ! [[Bělorussky jezyk|Bělorussky]] | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студзень<br />''studzen′''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|люты<br />''ljuty''}} |{{-|сакавік<br />''sakavik''}} |{{-|красавік<br />''krasavik''}} | rowspan="4" style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|травень<br />''traven′''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|чэрвень<br />''čèrven′''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|ліпень<br />''lipen′''}} |{{-|жнівень<br />''žniven′''}} | style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|верасень<br />''verasen′''}} |{{-|кастрычнік<br />''kastryčnik''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|лістапад<br />''listapad''}} | style="background:#EAE6FF"|{{-|снежань<br />''snežan′''}} |- ! [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|Ukrajinsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|січень<br />''sičen′''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|лютий<br />''ljutyj''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|березень<br />''berezen′''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|квітень<br />''kviten′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|червень<br />''červen′''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|липень<br />''lypen′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|серпень<br />''serpen′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|вересень<br />''veresen′''}} | style="background:#FFF2C9"|{{-|жовтень<br />''žovten′''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''lystopad''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|грудень<br />''hruden′''}} |- ! [[Rusinsky jezyk|Rusinsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|лютый<br />''ljutyj''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цвітень<br />''cviten′''}} | style="background:#FFF2C9"|{{-|жолтень<br />''žolten′''}} |- ! [[Russky jezyk|Russky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сечень<br />''sečenʹ''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|березозол<br />''berezozol''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цветень<br />''cvetenʹ''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|липец<br />''lipec''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|грудень<br />''grudenʹ''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студень<br />''studenʹ''}} |- ! [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|Staroslovjansky]] | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|просиньць<br />''prosinĭcĭ''}} | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сѣчьнъ<br />''sěčĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|соухъ<br />''suhŭ''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|брѣзьнъ<br />''brězĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|трѣвьнъ<br />''trěvĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#E0F2CE"|{{-|изокъ<br />''izokŭ''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|чръвлѥнꙑи<br />''črŭvljenyi''}} | style="background:#F2E6CE"|{{-|заревъ<br />''zarevŭ''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|роуинъ<br />''ruinŭ''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопадъ<br />''listopadŭ''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|гроудьнъ<br />''grudĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|стоуденъ<br />''studenŭ''}} |- ! [[Bulgarsky jezyk|Bulgarsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сечен<br />''sečen''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|люти<br />''ljuti''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|сухи<br />''suhi''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|брезен<br />''brezen''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|тревен<br />''treven''}} | style="background:#E0F2CE"|{{-|изок<br />''izok''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|червен<br />''červen''}} | style="background:#F2E6CE"|{{-|зарев<br />''zarev''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|руен<br />''ruen''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|груден<br />''gruden''}} | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|просинец<br />''prosinec''}} |- ! [[Makedonsky jezyk|Makedonsky]]<br>(arhaično) | rowspan="2" style="background:#CED4F2"|{{-|коложег<br />''koložeg''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6EEFF"|{{-|сечко<br />''sečko''}} |{{-|цутар<br />''cutar''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|тревен<br />''treven''}} |{{-|косар<br />''kosar''}} | style="background:#F2ECCE"|{{-|жетвар<br />''žetvar''}} |{{-|златец<br />''zlatec''}} |{{-|житар<br />''žitar''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E1E1CE"|{{-|гроздобер<br />''grozdober''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студен<br />''studen''}} | style="background:#EAE6FF"|{{-|снежник<br />''snežnik''}} |- ! [[Srbsky jezyk|Srbsky]]<br>(arhaično) |{{-|дерикожа<br />''derikoža''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|лажитрава<br />''lažitrava''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цветањ<br />''cvetanj''}} |{{-|трешњар<br />''trešnjar''}} | style="background:#F2ECCE"|{{-|жетвар<br />''žetvar''}} |{{-|гумник<br />''gumnik''}} |{{-|коледар<br />''koledar''}} |- ! [[Hrvatsky jezyk|Hrvatsky]] | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''siječanj''}} |{{-|''veljača''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''ožujak''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''travanj''}} |''svibanj''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipanj''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''srpanj''}} |{{-|''kolovoz''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''rujan''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''listopad''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|''studeni''}} | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinac''}} |- ! [[Slovensky jezyk|Slovenačsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinec''}} | style="background:#CEECF2"|{{-|''svečan''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|''sušec''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''mali traven''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''veliki traven''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''rožnik''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''mali srpan''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''veliki srpan''}} |{{-|''kimavec''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''vinotok''}} | rowspan="6" style="background:#FFE6E6" |{{-|''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''gruden''}} |- ! [[Slovačsky jezyk|Slovačsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|''veľký sečeň'' | style="background:#E6F2FF"|''malý sečeň'' | style="background:#E6FFFF"|''brezen'' | rowspan="2" |''duben'' | style="background:#E6FFF2"|''kveten'' | style="background:#FFFFE6"|''lipen'' | rowspan="2" style="background:#DEFEE4"|''červenec'' | ''klasen'' | style="background:#F2DACE"|''malý rujen'' | style="background:#F2DACE"|''veľký rujen'' | rowspan="2" style="background:#FBE6FF"|''prosinec'' |- ! [[Češsky jezyk|Češsky]] | style="background:#CEE6F2"|''leden'' |''únor'' | style="background:#E6FFFF"|''březen'' | style="background:#E6FFF2"|''květen'' | style="background:#DEFEE4"|''červen'' | style="background:#FFF7E6"|''srpen'' | style="background:#F2DACE"|''září'' | style="background:#F2DACE"|''říjen'' |- ! rowspan="3" |[[Poljsky jezyk|Poljsky]] | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6F2FF"|''styczeń'' | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6EAFF"|''luty'' |<span style="color:grey;">''marzec''*</span> | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFF2"|''kwiecień'' |<span style="color:grey;">''maj''*</span> | rowspan="3" style="background:#DEFEE4"|''czerwiec'' | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFFFE6"|''lipiec'' | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFF7E6"|''sierpień'' | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFEEE6"|''wrzesień'' | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFE6F2"|''październik'' | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6CEF2"|''grudzień'' |- | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFFF" |''brzezień'' (arhaično) | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFE6" |''trawień'' (arhaično) |- | style="background:#CEF2CE"|''łżykwiat'' (arhaično) |- ! rowspan="2" |[[Kašubsky jezyk|Kašubsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2FF"|''stëcznik'' | ''gromicznik'' | rowspan="2" |''strëmiannik'' | style="background:#CEF2CE"|''łżëkwiat'' |<span style="color:grey;">''môj''*</span> | rowspan="2" style="background:#DEFEE4"|''czerwińc'' | style="background:LightYellow"|''lëpińc'' | ''zélnik'' | ''séwnik'' | style="background:#F2DACE"|''rujan'' | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFE6E6"|''lëstopadnik'' | style="background:#D4CEF2"|''gòdnik'' |- | style="background:#E6EAFF"|''luti'' | style="background:#E6FFF2"|''kwiecéń'' | ''gòran'' | ''miodownik'' | style="background:#FFF7E6"|''serzpiéń'' | style="background:#FFEEE6"|''wrzeseń'' | style="background:#FFE6F2"|''pazdzérznik'' | style="background:#E6CEF2"|''grëdzéń'' |- ! [[Dolnolužičsky jezyk|Dolnolužičsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#CEDAF2"|''wezymski'' | style="background:#CEECF2"|''swěckowny'' | style="background:#CEDAF2"|''pózymski'' | ''jatšownik'' | style="background:#ECF2CE"|''rozhelony'' | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2CE"|''smažki'' | style="background:#F2F2CE"|''žnjojski'' | ''jacmjeński'' | rowspan="2" style="background:#F2F2CE"|''požnjenc'' | style="background:#F9BEBE"|''winski'' | ''młośny'' | style="background:#F2CEE6"|''zymski'' |- ! [[Gornolužičsky jezyk|Gornolužičsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:Snow"|''wulki róžk'' | style="background:Snow"|''mały róžk'' | ''nalětnik'' | ''jutrownik'' | style="background:#ECF2CE"|''róžownik'' | ''pražnik'' | style="background:#F2F2CE"|''žnjenc'' | style="background:#F9BEBE"|''winowc'' | style="background:#F2CEE6"|''nazymnik'' | style="background:#D4CEF2"|''hodownik'' |- ! [[Polabsky jezyk|Polabsky]]† | style="background:#CEE6F2"|''ledemån'' | ''rüzac'' | ''zürmån'' | ''chåidemån'' | ''laisemån'' | ''pąťustemån'' | ''zeminik'' | ''haimån'' | ''jisinmån'' | style="background:#F9BEBE"|''vaińamån'' | style="background:#F2CEE6"|''zaimamån'' |''trübnemån'' |- ! [[Litovsky jezyk|Litovsky]]* | style="background:#CEF2EC"|''sausis'' | ''vasaris'' | ''kovas'' | ''balandis'' | ''gegužė'' | style="background:#E6FFFF"|''birželis'' | style="background:#FFFFE6"|''liepa'' | ''rugpjūtis'' | ''rugsėjis'' | style="background:#FFE6F2"|''spalis'' | style="background:#FFE6E6"|''lapkritis'' | style="background:#E6CEF2"|''gruodis'' |- ! colspan="13"|* ''ne-slovjansky jezyk ili nazva'' / † ''mrtvy jezyk'' |} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Slavic calendar}} {{Jedinice časa}} [[Kategorija:Jedinice časa]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5151}} 5v28p36gfm0ja7g3pa7jlm1zv9vwtk4 27210 27205 2026-06-26T11:10:27Z Ilja isv 10 27210 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Měsec''' jest jedinica [[čas]]a koriščena v kalendaru, približno dolga kako orbitalny period satelita [[Měsec]]a. Tradicijna koncepcija se pojavila s ciklom měsečnyh stadij, kde jedin lunarny měsec trvaje približno 29.53 [[Denj|dnjev]]. Iz arheologičnyh nahodok, izslědovatelji sut zaključili, da sut ljudi izčisljali dnjev v kontekstu Měseca ješče za [[Kamenna doba|kamennoj doby]]. Takovy měsec jest osnovy za mnogo kalendarev, a obyčno jedno [[God|lěto]] děli se na 12 měsecev. V [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjanskyh jezykah]] nazvy měsecev variujut, kde približno polovina koristi latinske, a polovina svoje [[#Slovjansky kalendar|originalne slovjanske nazvy]]. Slovjanske nazvy slědujut prirodne pojavy i agrikulturno dělanje v svojej krajině, pa srodne nazvy mogut stojati za različne měsece. Napriklad: ''{{-|listopad}}'' znači «november» v poljskom, češskom i ukrajinskom, ale «oktobr» v hrvatskom. Iz toj pričiny koristanje slovjanskyh nazv odsovětuje se v [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom]]; zaměsto latinskyh nazv někoji prědpočitajut slědujuče razrěšenje: ''prvy měsec'' (januar), ''vtory měsec'' (fevruar) i t.d. Večinstvo indoevropejskyh jezykov dnes koristaje [[Latinsky jezyk|latinske]] nazvy. ==Měsece v različnyh kalendarah== ===Rimsky kalendar=== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- ! Poredok !! Latinsky !! Anglijsky !! Prěklad !! Broj dnjev |- | 1 || Ianuarius || January || januar/sěčenj || 31 |- | 2 || Februarius || February || fevruar/ljuty || 28* |- | 3 || Martius || March || marec/brězenj || 31 |- | 4 || Aprilis || April || aprilj/cvětenj || 30 |- | 5 || Maius || May || maj/travenj || 31 |- | 6 || Iunius || June || junij/črvenj || 30 |- | 7 || Quintilis || July || julij/lipenj || 31 |- | 8 || Sextilis || August || avgust/srpenj || 31 |- | 9 || colspan="2"|September || septembr/vresenj || 30 |- | 10 || colspan="2"|October || oktobr/rujenj || 31 |- | 11 || colspan="2"|November || novembr/listopad || 30 |- | 12 || colspan="2"|December || dekembr/sněženj || 31 |- ! colspan=6|<small>*29 v prěstupnom godu</small> |} ===Slovjansky kalendar=== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size: smaller;" ! Jezyk ! januar ! fevruar ! marec ! aprilj ! maj ! junij ! julij ! avgust ! septembr ! oktobr ! novembr ! dekembr |- ! [[Bělorussky jezyk|Bělorussky]] | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студзень<br />''studzen′''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|люты<br />''ljuty''}} |{{-|сакавік<br />''sakavik''}} |{{-|красавік<br />''krasavik''}} | rowspan="4" style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|травень<br />''traven′''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|чэрвень<br />''čèrven′''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|ліпень<br />''lipen′''}} |{{-|жнівень<br />''žniven′''}} | style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|верасень<br />''verasen′''}} |{{-|кастрычнік<br />''kastryčnik''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|лістапад<br />''listapad''}} | style="background:#EAE6FF"|{{-|снежань<br />''snežan′''}} |- ! [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|Ukrajinsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|січень<br />''sičen′''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|лютий<br />''ljutyj''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|березень<br />''berezen′''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|квітень<br />''kviten′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|червень<br />''červen′''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|липень<br />''lypen′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|серпень<br />''serpen′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|вересень<br />''veresen′''}} | style="background:#FFF2C9"|{{-|жовтень<br />''žovten′''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''lystopad''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|грудень<br />''hruden′''}} |- ! [[Rusinsky jezyk|Rusinsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|лютый<br />''ljutyj''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цвітень<br />''cviten′''}} | style="background:#FFF2C9"|{{-|жолтень<br />''žolten′''}} |- ! [[Russky jezyk|Russky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сечень<br />''sečenʹ''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|березозол<br />''berezozol''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цветень<br />''cvetenʹ''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|липец<br />''lipec''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|грудень<br />''grudenʹ''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студень<br />''studenʹ''}} |- ! [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|Staroslovjansky]] | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|просиньць<br />''prosinĭcĭ''}} | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сѣчьнъ<br />''sěčĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|соухъ<br />''suhŭ''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|брѣзьнъ<br />''brězĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|трѣвьнъ<br />''trěvĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#E0F2CE"|{{-|изокъ<br />''izokŭ''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|чръвлѥнꙑи<br />''črŭvljenyi''}} | style="background:#F2E6CE"|{{-|заревъ<br />''zarevŭ''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|роуинъ<br />''ruinŭ''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопадъ<br />''listopadŭ''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|гроудьнъ<br />''grudĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|стоуденъ<br />''studenŭ''}} |- ! [[Bulgarsky jezyk|Bulgarsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сечен<br />''sečen''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|люти<br />''ljuti''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|сухи<br />''suhi''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|брезен<br />''brezen''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|тревен<br />''treven''}} | style="background:#E0F2CE"|{{-|изок<br />''izok''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|червен<br />''červen''}} | style="background:#F2E6CE"|{{-|зарев<br />''zarev''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|руен<br />''ruen''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|груден<br />''gruden''}} | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|просинец<br />''prosinec''}} |- ! [[Makedonsky jezyk|Makedonsky]]<br>(arhaično) | rowspan="2" style="background:#CED4F2"|{{-|коложег<br />''koložeg''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6EEFF"|{{-|сечко<br />''sečko''}} |{{-|цутар<br />''cutar''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|тревен<br />''treven''}} |{{-|косар<br />''kosar''}} | style="background:#F2ECCE"|{{-|жетвар<br />''žetvar''}} |{{-|златец<br />''zlatec''}} |{{-|житар<br />''žitar''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E1E1CE"|{{-|гроздобер<br />''grozdober''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студен<br />''studen''}} | style="background:#EAE6FF"|{{-|снежник<br />''snežnik''}} |- ! [[Srbsky jezyk|Srbsky]]<br>(arhaično) |{{-|дерикожа<br />''derikoža''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|лажитрава<br />''lažitrava''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цветањ<br />''cvetanj''}} |{{-|трешњар<br />''trešnjar''}} | style="background:#F2ECCE"|{{-|жетвар<br />''žetvar''}} |{{-|гумник<br />''gumnik''}} |{{-|коледар<br />''koledar''}} |- ! [[Hrvatsky jezyk|Hrvatsky]] | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''siječanj''}} |{{-|''veljača''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''ožujak''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''travanj''}} |''svibanj''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipanj''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''srpanj''}} |{{-|''kolovoz''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''rujan''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''listopad''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|''studeni''}} | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinac''}} |- ! [[Slovensky jezyk|Slovenačsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinec''}} | style="background:#CEECF2"|{{-|''svečan''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|''sušec''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''mali traven''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''veliki traven''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''rožnik''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''mali srpan''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''veliki srpan''}} |{{-|''kimavec''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''vinotok''}} | rowspan="6" style="background:#FFE6E6" |{{-|''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''gruden''}} |- ! [[Slovačsky jezyk|Slovačsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''veľký sečeň''}} | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''malý sečeň''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|''brezen''}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|''duben''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''kveten''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipen''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''červenec''}} | {{-|''klasen''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''malý rujen''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''veľký rujen''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinec''}} |- ! [[Češsky jezyk|Češsky]] | style="background:#CEE6F2"|{{-|''leden''}} |{{-|''únor''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|''březen''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''květen''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''červen''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''srpen''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''září''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''říjen''}} |- ! rowspan="3" |[[Poljsky jezyk|Poljsky]] | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''styczeń''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|''luty''}} |<span style="color:grey;">{{-|''marzec''}}*</span> | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''kwiecień''}} |<span style="color:grey;">{{-|''maj''}}*</span> | rowspan="3" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''czerwiec''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipiec''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''sierpień''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|''wrzesień''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFE6F2"|{{-|''październik''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''grudzień''}} |- | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFFF" |{{-|''brzezień''}} (arhaično) | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFE6" |{{-|''trawień''}} (arhaično) |- | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''łżykwiat''}} (arhaično) |- ! rowspan="2" |[[Kašubsky jezyk|Kašubsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''stëcznik''}} | {{-|''gromicznik''}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|''strëmiannik''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''łżëkwiat''}} |<span style="color:grey;">{{-|''môj''}}*</span> | rowspan="2" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''czerwińc''}} | style="background:LightYellow"|{{-|''lëpińc''}} | {{-|''zélnik''}} | {{-|''séwnik''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''rujan''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''lëstopadnik''}} | style="background:#D4CEF2"|{{-|''gòdnik''}} |- | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|''luti''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''kwiecéń''}} | {{-|''gòran''}} | {{-|''miodownik''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''serzpiéń''}} | style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|''wrzeseń''}} | style="background:#FFE6F2"|{{-|''pazdzérznik''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''grëdzéń''}} |- ! [[Dolnolužičsky jezyk|Dolnolužičsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#CEDAF2"|{{-|''wezymski''}} | style="background:#CEECF2"|{{-|''swěckowny''}} | style="background:#CEDAF2"|{{-|''pózymski''}} | {{-|''jatšownik''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''rozhelony''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2CE"|{{-|''smažki''}} | style="background:#F2F2CE"|{{-|''žnjojski''}} | {{-|''jacmjeński''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#F2F2CE"|{{-|''požnjenc''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''winski''}} | {{-|''młośny''}} | style="background:#F2CEE6"|{{-|''zymski''}} |- ! [[Gornolužičsky jezyk|Gornolužičsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:Snow"|{{-|''wulki róžk''}} | style="background:Snow"|{{-|''mały róžk''}} | {{-|''nalětnik''}} | {{-|''jutrownik''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''róžownik''}} | {{-|''pražnik''}} | style="background:#F2F2CE"|{{-|''žnjenc''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''winowc''}} | style="background:#F2CEE6"|{{-|''nazymnik''}} | style="background:#D4CEF2"|{{-|''hodownik''}} |- ! [[Polabsky jezyk|Polabsky]]† | style="background:#CEE6F2"|{{-|''ledemån''}} | {{-|''rüzac''}} | {{-|''zürmån''}} | {{-|''chåidemån''}} | {{-|''laisemån''}} | {{-|''pąťustemån''}} | {{-|''zeminik''}} | {{-|''haimån''}} | {{-|''jisinmån''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''vaińamån''}} | style="background:#F2CEE6"|{{-|''zaimamån''}} |{{-|''trübnemån''}} |- ! [[Litovsky jezyk|Litovsky]]* | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|''sausis''}} | {{-|''vasaris''}} | {{-|''kovas''}} | {{-|''balandis''}} | {{-|''gegužė''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|''birželis''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''liepa''}} | {{-|''rugpjūtis''}} | {{-|''rugsėjis''}} | style="background:#FFE6F2"|{{-|''spalis''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''lapkritis''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''gruodis''}} |- ! colspan="13"|* ''ne-slovjansky jezyk ili nazva'' / † ''mrtvy jezyk'' |} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Slavic calendar}} {{Jedinice časa}} [[Kategorija:Jedinice časa]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5151}} 2pakqnzs439bxdlw148u4m41fefkeip 27211 27210 2026-06-26T11:15:44Z Ilja isv 10 /* Rimsky kalendar */ 27211 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Měsec''' jest jedinica [[čas]]a koriščena v kalendaru, približno dolga kako orbitalny period satelita [[Měsec]]a. Tradicijna koncepcija se pojavila s ciklom měsečnyh stadij, kde jedin lunarny měsec trvaje približno 29.53 [[Denj|dnjev]]. Iz arheologičnyh nahodok, izslědovatelji sut zaključili, da sut ljudi izčisljali dnjev v kontekstu Měseca ješče za [[Kamenna doba|kamennoj doby]]. Takovy měsec jest osnovy za mnogo kalendarev, a obyčno jedno [[God|lěto]] děli se na 12 měsecev. V [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjanskyh jezykah]] nazvy měsecev variujut, kde približno polovina koristi latinske, a polovina svoje [[#Slovjansky kalendar|originalne slovjanske nazvy]]. Slovjanske nazvy slědujut prirodne pojavy i agrikulturno dělanje v svojej krajině, pa srodne nazvy mogut stojati za različne měsece. Napriklad: ''{{-|listopad}}'' znači «november» v poljskom, češskom i ukrajinskom, ale «oktobr» v hrvatskom. Iz toj pričiny koristanje slovjanskyh nazv odsovětuje se v [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom]]; zaměsto latinskyh nazv někoji prědpočitajut slědujuče razrěšenje: ''prvy měsec'' (januar), ''vtory měsec'' (fevruar) i t.d. Večinstvo indoevropejskyh jezykov dnes koristaje [[Latinsky jezyk|latinske]] nazvy. ==Měsece v različnyh kalendarah== ===Rimsky kalendar=== {| class="wikitable sortable" |- ! Poredok !! Latinsky !! Anglijsky !! Prěklad !! Broj dnjev |- | 1 || {{-|Ianuarius}} || {{-|January}} || januar/sěčenj || 31 |- | 2 || {{-|Februarius}} || {{-|February}} || fevruar/ljuty || 28* |- | 3 || {{-|Martius}} || {{-|March}} || marec/brězenj || 31 |- | 4 || {{-|Aprilis}} || {{-|April}} || aprilj/cvětenj || 30 |- | 5 || {{-|Maius}} || {{-|May}} || maj/travenj || 31 |- | 6 || {{-|Iunius}} || {{-|June}} || junij/črvenj || 30 |- | 7 || {{-|Quintilis}} || {{-|July}} || julij/lipenj || 31 |- | 8 || {{-|Sextilis}} || {{-|August}} || avgust/srpenj || 31 |- | 9 || colspan="2"|{{-|September}} || septembr/vresenj || 30 |- | 10 || colspan="2"|{{-|October}} || oktobr/rujenj || 31 |- | 11 || colspan="2"|{{-|November}} || novembr/listopad || 30 |- | 12 || colspan="2"|{{-|December}} || dekembr/sněženj || 31 |- ! colspan=6|<small>*29 v prěstupnom godu</small> |} ===Slovjansky kalendar=== {| class="wikitable sortable" style="font-size: smaller;" ! Jezyk ! januar ! fevruar ! marec ! aprilj ! maj ! junij ! julij ! avgust ! septembr ! oktobr ! novembr ! dekembr |- ! [[Bělorussky jezyk|Bělorussky]] | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студзень<br />''studzen′''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|люты<br />''ljuty''}} |{{-|сакавік<br />''sakavik''}} |{{-|красавік<br />''krasavik''}} | rowspan="4" style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|травень<br />''traven′''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|чэрвень<br />''čèrven′''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|ліпень<br />''lipen′''}} |{{-|жнівень<br />''žniven′''}} | style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|верасень<br />''verasen′''}} |{{-|кастрычнік<br />''kastryčnik''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|лістапад<br />''listapad''}} | style="background:#EAE6FF"|{{-|снежань<br />''snežan′''}} |- ! [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|Ukrajinsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|січень<br />''sičen′''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|лютий<br />''ljutyj''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|березень<br />''berezen′''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|квітень<br />''kviten′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|червень<br />''červen′''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|липень<br />''lypen′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|серпень<br />''serpen′''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|вересень<br />''veresen′''}} | style="background:#FFF2C9"|{{-|жовтень<br />''žovten′''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''lystopad''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|грудень<br />''hruden′''}} |- ! [[Rusinsky jezyk|Rusinsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|лютый<br />''ljutyj''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цвітень<br />''cviten′''}} | style="background:#FFF2C9"|{{-|жолтень<br />''žolten′''}} |- ! [[Russky jezyk|Russky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сечень<br />''sečenʹ''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|березозол<br />''berezozol''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цветень<br />''cvetenʹ''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|липец<br />''lipec''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|грудень<br />''grudenʹ''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студень<br />''studenʹ''}} |- ! [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|Staroslovjansky]] | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|просиньць<br />''prosinĭcĭ''}} | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сѣчьнъ<br />''sěčĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|соухъ<br />''suhŭ''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|брѣзьнъ<br />''brězĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|трѣвьнъ<br />''trěvĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#E0F2CE"|{{-|изокъ<br />''izokŭ''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|чръвлѥнꙑи<br />''črŭvljenyi''}} | style="background:#F2E6CE"|{{-|заревъ<br />''zarevŭ''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|роуинъ<br />''ruinŭ''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопадъ<br />''listopadŭ''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|гроудьнъ<br />''grudĭnŭ''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|стоуденъ<br />''studenŭ''}} |- ! [[Bulgarsky jezyk|Bulgarsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|сечен<br />''sečen''}} | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|люти<br />''ljuti''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|сухи<br />''suhi''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|брезен<br />''brezen''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|тревен<br />''treven''}} | style="background:#E0F2CE"|{{-|изок<br />''izok''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|червен<br />''červen''}} | style="background:#F2E6CE"|{{-|зарев<br />''zarev''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|руен<br />''ruen''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|листопад<br />''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|груден<br />''gruden''}} | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|просинец<br />''prosinec''}} |- ! [[Makedonsky jezyk|Makedonsky]]<br>(arhaično) | rowspan="2" style="background:#CED4F2"|{{-|коложег<br />''koložeg''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6EEFF"|{{-|сечко<br />''sečko''}} |{{-|цутар<br />''cutar''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|тревен<br />''treven''}} |{{-|косар<br />''kosar''}} | style="background:#F2ECCE"|{{-|жетвар<br />''žetvar''}} |{{-|златец<br />''zlatec''}} |{{-|житар<br />''žitar''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E1E1CE"|{{-|гроздобер<br />''grozdober''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|студен<br />''studen''}} | style="background:#EAE6FF"|{{-|снежник<br />''snežnik''}} |- ! [[Srbsky jezyk|Srbsky]]<br>(arhaično) |{{-|дерикожа<br />''derikoža''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|лажитрава<br />''lažitrava''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|цветањ<br />''cvetanj''}} |{{-|трешњар<br />''trešnjar''}} | style="background:#F2ECCE"|{{-|жетвар<br />''žetvar''}} |{{-|гумник<br />''gumnik''}} |{{-|коледар<br />''koledar''}} |- ! [[Hrvatsky jezyk|Hrvatsky]] | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''siječanj''}} |{{-|''veljača''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''ožujak''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''travanj''}} |''svibanj''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipanj''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''srpanj''}} |{{-|''kolovoz''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''rujan''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''listopad''}} | style="background:#F2CEF2"|{{-|''studeni''}} | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinac''}} |- ! [[Slovensky jezyk|Slovenačsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinec''}} | style="background:#CEECF2"|{{-|''svečan''}} | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|''sušec''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''mali traven''}} | style="background:#E6FFE6"|{{-|''veliki traven''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''rožnik''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''mali srpan''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''veliki srpan''}} |{{-|''kimavec''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''vinotok''}} | rowspan="6" style="background:#FFE6E6" |{{-|''listopad''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''gruden''}} |- ! [[Slovačsky jezyk|Slovačsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''veľký sečeň''}} | style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''malý sečeň''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|''brezen''}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|''duben''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''kveten''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipen''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''červenec''}} | {{-|''klasen''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''malý rujen''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''veľký rujen''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FBE6FF"|{{-|''prosinec''}} |- ! [[Češsky jezyk|Češsky]] | style="background:#CEE6F2"|{{-|''leden''}} |{{-|''únor''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|''březen''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''květen''}} | style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''červen''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''srpen''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''září''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''říjen''}} |- ! rowspan="3" |[[Poljsky jezyk|Poljsky]] | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''styczeń''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|''luty''}} |<span style="color:grey;">{{-|''marzec''}}*</span> | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''kwiecień''}} |<span style="color:grey;">{{-|''maj''}}*</span> | rowspan="3" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''czerwiec''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''lipiec''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''sierpień''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|''wrzesień''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#FFE6F2"|{{-|''październik''}} | rowspan="3" style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''grudzień''}} |- | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFFF" |{{-|''brzezień''}} (arhaično) | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6FFE6" |{{-|''trawień''}} (arhaično) |- | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''łżykwiat''}} (arhaično) |- ! rowspan="2" |[[Kašubsky jezyk|Kašubsky]] | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2FF"|{{-|''stëcznik''}} | {{-|''gromicznik''}} | rowspan="2" |{{-|''strëmiannik''}} | style="background:#CEF2CE"|{{-|''łżëkwiat''}} |<span style="color:grey;">{{-|''môj''}}*</span> | rowspan="2" style="background:#DEFEE4"|{{-|''czerwińc''}} | style="background:LightYellow"|{{-|''lëpińc''}} | {{-|''zélnik''}} | {{-|''séwnik''}} | style="background:#F2DACE"|{{-|''rujan''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''lëstopadnik''}} | style="background:#D4CEF2"|{{-|''gòdnik''}} |- | style="background:#E6EAFF"|{{-|''luti''}} | style="background:#E6FFF2"|{{-|''kwiecéń''}} | {{-|''gòran''}} | {{-|''miodownik''}} | style="background:#FFF7E6"|{{-|''serzpiéń''}} | style="background:#FFEEE6"|{{-|''wrzeseń''}} | style="background:#FFE6F2"|{{-|''pazdzérznik''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''grëdzéń''}} |- ! [[Dolnolužičsky jezyk|Dolnolužičsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:#CEDAF2"|{{-|''wezymski''}} | style="background:#CEECF2"|{{-|''swěckowny''}} | style="background:#CEDAF2"|{{-|''pózymski''}} | {{-|''jatšownik''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''rozhelony''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#E6F2CE"|{{-|''smažki''}} | style="background:#F2F2CE"|{{-|''žnjojski''}} | {{-|''jacmjeński''}} | rowspan="2" style="background:#F2F2CE"|{{-|''požnjenc''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''winski''}} | {{-|''młośny''}} | style="background:#F2CEE6"|{{-|''zymski''}} |- ! [[Gornolužičsky jezyk|Gornolužičsky]]<br>(arhaično) | style="background:Snow"|{{-|''wulki róžk''}} | style="background:Snow"|{{-|''mały róžk''}} | {{-|''nalětnik''}} | {{-|''jutrownik''}} | style="background:#ECF2CE"|{{-|''róžownik''}} | {{-|''pražnik''}} | style="background:#F2F2CE"|{{-|''žnjenc''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''winowc''}} | style="background:#F2CEE6"|{{-|''nazymnik''}} | style="background:#D4CEF2"|{{-|''hodownik''}} |- ! [[Polabsky jezyk|Polabsky]]† | style="background:#CEE6F2"|{{-|''ledemån''}} | {{-|''rüzac''}} | {{-|''zürmån''}} | {{-|''chåidemån''}} | {{-|''laisemån''}} | {{-|''pąťustemån''}} | {{-|''zeminik''}} | {{-|''haimån''}} | {{-|''jisinmån''}} | style="background:#F9BEBE"|{{-|''vaińamån''}} | style="background:#F2CEE6"|{{-|''zaimamån''}} |{{-|''trübnemån''}} |- ! [[Litovsky jezyk|Litovsky]]* | style="background:#CEF2EC"|{{-|''sausis''}} | {{-|''vasaris''}} | {{-|''kovas''}} | {{-|''balandis''}} | {{-|''gegužė''}} | style="background:#E6FFFF"|{{-|''birželis''}} | style="background:#FFFFE6"|{{-|''liepa''}} | {{-|''rugpjūtis''}} | {{-|''rugsėjis''}} | style="background:#FFE6F2"|{{-|''spalis''}} | style="background:#FFE6E6"|{{-|''lapkritis''}} | style="background:#E6CEF2"|{{-|''gruodis''}} |- ! colspan="13"|* ''ne-slovjansky jezyk ili nazva'' / † ''mrtvy jezyk'' |} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Slavic calendar}} {{Jedinice časa}} [[Kategorija:Jedinice časa]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5151}} 2wph5b8r5mpj1jcgpwl5n2o7ngfwxa5 Rekreacija 0 1615 27206 13401 2026-06-26T09:56:48Z Panslavist 34 pravka 27206 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Two surfers.jpg|thumb|right|[[Surfing]], forma rekreacije]] '''Rekreacija''' (iz {{Jezyky|la|recreatio}} — «obnova», «ozdoravjenije», iz {{Jezyky|la|re-}} — «snova» + {{Jezyky|la|creare}} — «tvoriti», «davati život») jest aktivnost svobodnogo vrěmena. «Potreba dělatj nečto za rekreaciju» jest sutnostny element člověčskoj biologije i psihologije.<ref>{{Cite book | last = McLean | first = Daniel D. | last2 = Hurd | first2 = Amy R. | year = 2012 | title = Kraus' Recreation and Leisure in Modern Society | publisher = Jones & Bartlett Learning | isbn = 978-0-7637-8114-4 | pages = 3–5}}</ref> Rekreacijne aktivnosti sut često sdělane za zabavu, [[veselje]] ili [[Ščestje|udovolstvo]], i sut uvažane «dobrym časom». Rekreacija se razlikuje od [[dokolica]] v tom čto jest to celjna aktivnost koja vklučaje opyt dokolica v kontekstě aktivnostej. Rekreacija jest teško oddělit od obščego koncepta [[Igra|igry]], ktory jest ordinerno termin za Rekreacijne aktivnosti děcej.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Kraus | first = Richard | year = 2001 | title = Recreation and Leisure in Modern Society | publisher = Jones & Bartlett | isbn = 978-0-7637-1591-0 | pages = 7–9}}</ref> == Historija == === Davnost === Rekreacijne aktivnosti sut byti vitalnoju čestju životu od najrannějših vrěmen. Davne civilizacije zajimaly se s vnějšnimi aktivnostjami kako lov i rybolovstvo za zabavom, a věčše privilegovane klasy v pozdnějših periodah optovaly za sabljanje i jahtu.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Sweet | first = Waldo E. | year = 1987 | title = Sport and Recreation in Ancient Greece: A Sourcebook with Translations | publisher = Oxford University Press | isbn = 978-0-195-04127-9 | pages = 1–15}}</ref> Davni [[Egipt|Egipčani]] nahodili zabavu v plivanju i ryboljovstvy v [[Nil]]ě. Grěcy byli renomirovany za ljubov k aktivnostjam i sostjazatelnym igram. Imali široky spektr aktivnostej do vybora ktore vklučaly beg, metanje diska i sulicy, daleki skok, boks i kočevoe skakanje. Mesopotamski ljudi imali raznoobrazije rekreacijskih aktivnostej — lov byl popularna zabava medžu asijskyh kraljev i jejich podanikov. Deskove igry bile takože igrane od člen vsih klas.<ref>{{Cite book | last = McLean | first = Daniel D. | last2 = Hurd | first2 = Amy R. | year = 2012 | title = Kraus' Recreation and Leisure in Modern Society | publisher = Jones & Bartlett Learning | isbn = 978-0-7637-8114-4 | pages = 18–22}}</ref> Grěcy i Rimljany sut sistematično planirovali i gradili objekty za rekreaciju — banje, otvorene teatry, amfiteatry, forumi za javne skupiny, stadiony i někogda parky i vrty.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Spawforth | first = Tony | year = 2018 | title = The Story of Greece and Rome | publisher = Yale University Press | isbn = 978-0-300-21714-7 | pages = 112–115}}</ref> [[Olimpijske igry]] — jedin iz prvih organizovanih rekreacijskih aktivnostej v historiji — bile osnovane v [[Grěcija|Grěciji]] v 776 roku prěd n. e. Isprva vsim gradjaninom bylo očekovano učestvovati v sportah i igrah, a Olimpijske igry bile ograničene toliko na svobodnorodjene Grěcy. Postepeno, religiozne i kulturne funkcije Olimpijskih iger i drugih festivalov sut byti oslabljene atletičnoj specializacijoju, korupcijoju i komercializmom.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Sweet | first = Waldo E. | year = 1987 | title = Sport and Recreation in Ancient Greece | publisher = Oxford University Press | isbn = 978-0-195-04127-9 | pages = 45–52}}</ref> === Srědnjevěčje: rekreacija i religija === V Srědnjevěčju, rekreacija bila je često v konfliktu s religijoju. Protestanska rabotna etika, ktora je pojavila se v vrěmy Reformacije, privodila k periodam strogih ograničenij dokolica i rekreacije prěz vsju historiju mnogyh kristijanskih kultur, vklučno s spoločenstvami v Severnoj Ameriky. Tota etika silno vlivala na sučasne pogledy na rekreaciju.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Kraus | first = Richard | year = 2001 | title = Recreation and Leisure in Modern Society | publisher = Jones & Bartlett | isbn = 978-0-7637-1591-0 | pages = 34–37}}</ref> Hotj rabotna etika bila široko prinjata i praktiski ne bylo javnogo obezpečenija rekreacije, dokolica bila jest se o brzo razširivati. Silne neprodobrivanje igry, ktore harakterizovalo kolonialny period, počalo mizati. Do 1880-yh i 1890-yh lět, cerkvene vodjaci priznali čto religija ne može věčše arbitrarno osudžat vsju igru i predlagali «svečenu zabavu i rekreaciju» kako alternativy neželanoj igry. === 19. věk: industrializacija i razvoj rekreacije === Napredujuča produkcija i tehnologija 19. věka prědostavili rabotnikam věčše dostupnosti slobodnogo vrěmeny za zajimanje hobi. S vzrastom pismenosti, bogatstva, legkosti putovanija i razširenijem smysla obščenosty v Britaniji od srědine 19. věka i dalje, bylo věčše vrěmeny i interesa za Rekreacijne aktivnosti vsih vidov, od člen vsih klas.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Bailey | first = Peter | year = 1978 | title = Leisure and Class in Victorian England | publisher = Routledge | isbn = 978-0-416-85590-7 | pages = 23–28}}</ref> Prileky za Rekreacijne aktivnosti vzrastale su zaneže realne zaplate prodolžaly rasti i časy raboty prodolžaly padati. V mestnoj Britaniji, devěti-časovny den stal se věčše normoj; Zakon o fabrykah iz 1874 roka ograničil rabochy tyjden na 56,5 godin. Nekoly 200 morskih lětovišt pojavilo se zahvaljujučy deševim hotelam i nedorogim železničnim biljetam, razprostranjenim bankovskim praznikam i blednjenju mnogyh religioznih zabran protivno světskim aktivnostjam v nedělu.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Bailey | first = Peter | year = 1978 | title = Leisure and Class in Victorian England | publisher = Routledge | isbn = 978-0-416-85590-7 | pages = 45–51}}</ref> === 20. věk: rekreacija kako pravo i masa === [[Fajl:Urban_park.jpg|thumb|250px|Mestny park — važne orudje javne rekreacije v 20. věku.]] Do rannogo 20. věka, dokolica bila dostupna věčšemu čislu ljud, i razprostranjeny rekreacijski ruh počal se v Sjednenyh Štatah. Parky su byti razvijeny za obezpečenje vizualnej polevky i měst za zdravu igru ili relaksaciju. Pozdněje, igrišta su byti vyrezany v zapoluněnih oblastjah, i ustrojstva za igry i sporty su byti ustanovleny ne toliko za děcu, ale takože za odroslyh čijih raboči dny su se postepeno skrativali.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Cross | first = Gary | year = 1990 | title = A Social History of Leisure since 1600 | publisher = Venture Publishing | isbn = 978-0-910251-27-3 | pages = 156–161}}</ref> Konceptj rekreacije kako člověčeskogo prava byl realizovany v členy 24 Vseobjemljuče deklaracije o pravah člověka, ktory glasit: «Vsěm ima pravo na odpočinek i dokolicu, vklučno razumno ograničenje rabokih godin i periodične plačene odmory».<ref>{{Cite web | title = Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Article 24 | url = https://www.un.org/en/about-us/universal-declaration-of-human-rights | publisher = United Nations | access-date = 2024-01-01}}</ref> == Typy rekreacije == === Fizična rekreacija === Fizična rekreacija vklučaje aktivnosti ktore angažirujut tělo: * '''[[Sport]]''' — organizovane sostjazatelne aktivnosti kako futbol, košarka, plavanje, tenis * '''Pohod''' — hodanje po prirodnih trasah; razlikuje se od trekinga po kratšim razstojanjam i manje zahtevajučim terenom * '''Plivanje''' — jedna iz najpopularnějšyh rekreacijskih aktivnostej po vsem světě * '''Biciklanije''' — za rekreaciju ili fitnes * '''Tancy''' — popularna forma rekreacije v Afriky i po vsem světě; v gradah, mužy i ženy vsih věkov shodajut se neformalno v tancevalnymi klubami === Kulturna i kreativna rekreacija === * '''Muzika''' — aktivno igranje na instrumentah ili pasivno slušanje * '''Čitanje''' — jedna iz najstarěšyh i najpopularnějšyh formi rekreacije * '''Tvorčestvo''' — umělostj, skulptura, fotografija, pisanje * '''[[Film]] i [[televizija]]''' — pasivna, ale važna forma modernoj rekreacije === Hobi === Hobi je regularna aktivnost ktora jest sdělana za zabavom, ordinerno v vrěmy slobodnogo časa, ne profesionalno i ne za oplatu.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Stebbins | first = Robert A. | year = 2007 | title = Serious Leisure: A Perspective for Our Time | publisher = Transaction Publishers | isbn = 978-1-4128-0678-3 | pages = 5–8}}</ref> Hobi vklučajut zbiranje tematičnih predmetov, zajimanje kreativnimi i umělostnimi stremjenjami, igranje sportov ili stremjenje za drugimi rekreacijami. Znamnity skup hobi menja se s obnavljenimi interesami i razvivajučimi modami. Brikolža i «zdělaj sam» su někotore od terminov opisujučih gradnju, modifikovanje ili remont věščej bez prjamoj pomočy ekspertov ili profesionalov. === Terapeutična rekreacija === Rekreacija ima mnogo zdorovstvenih koristej, i suglasno tomu, terapeutična rekreacija bila jest razvita za koristanje od tutog efekta. Terapeutična rekreacija koristaje Rekreacijne aktivnosti za povyšenje fizičnogo, emotivnogo i mentalnogo zdravja ljud s invaliditetom ili hroničnymi problemami zdravja.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Austin | first = David R. | year = 2013 | title = Therapeutic Recreation: Processes and Techniques | publisher = Sagamore Publishing | isbn = 978-1-57167-726-2 | pages = 12–16}}</ref> == Rekreacija i družestvo == === Rekreacija i ekonomika === S razvojem industrializacije, rabotniki imali věčše dostupnosti slobodnogo vrěmeny za zajimanje hobi. Drugi faktory ktore rělatiše k razširenoj roli rekreacije sut bogatstvo, demografske tendencije i razširena komercializacija rekreacijskih ponud. Dok jedna percepcija jest čto dokolica jest prosto «svobodny čas», čas ne koristany neobhodnostjami žizni, druga drži čto dokolica jest sila ktora umožnjaje jedinkam razmotriti i otraziti na vrědnosty i realnosti ktore sut izgubleny v aktivnostjah svagdanjego žizni, tako byvajuči sutnostnym elementom osobnogo razvoja i civilizacije.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Cross | first = Gary | year = 1990 | title = A Social History of Leisure since 1600 | publisher = Venture Publishing | isbn = 978-0-910251-27-3 | pages = 1–5}}</ref> === Rekreacija i zdravje === Rekreacijne aktivnosti pomogajut kultivovati socialne svyazy, jačati spoločenstva i promovirati fizičnu prikladnost. Rekreacija snabžaje prileky za relaksaciju i smanjenje stressa. Izslědovanija pokazajut čto regularna fizična rekreacija smanjuje rizik kardiovaskularnih bolěznej, diabetu i depresije.<ref>{{Cite journal | last = Warburton | first = Darren E.R. | last2 = Nicol | first2 = Crystal Whitney | last3 = Bredin | first3 = Shannon S.D. | year = 2006 | title = Health benefits of physical activity: the evidence | journal = Canadian Medical Association Journal | volume = 174 | issue = 6 | pages = 801–809}}</ref> === Dokolica i rod === Dokolica bila jest često silno gendrirana, utvrdjujučy i reproducujučy širše podredjene roli žen — od prostogo prědstavljanja rekreacije kako prerogativa toliko mužskogo zarabotka do zaprěti žen od učeščanija v aktivnostjah. Tute ograničenija su se smanjile kako zapad postepeno stal věčše rasovo i gendrovo tolerantnim po Drugoj světovoj vojně.<ref>{{Cite book | last = Wearing | first = Betsy | year = 1998 | title = Leisure and Feminist Theory | publisher = Sage Publications | isbn = 978-0-8039-8890-2 | pages = 24–30}}</ref> == Rekreacija v davnih kulturah po vsem světě == V [[Afrika|Afriky]], tanec jest najpopularněša forma rekreacije. V gradah, mužy i ženy vsih věkov shodajut se neformalno v tancevalnymi klubami za tankovanje pod ritmami popularnih muzikantov. V selah mogut byti prileky večerom za neformalne tankovanje. V davnom [[Kitaj]]ě, popularne Rekreacijne aktivnosti vklučaly igru na muzičnih instrumentah, igranje deskovjyh iger, borbu i strelanje iz luka. Kitajska tradicija čajnogo pitja razvila se takože v važnu socijalnu i rekreacijsku aktivnost. V [[Japonija|Japoniji]], tradicionalne Rekreacijne aktivnosti vklučajut sumo, strelanje iz luka (kyudo), sposob mača (kendo) i razne forme vizualne umělosti. == Moderna rekreacija == [[Fajl:Video_games.jpg|thumb|250px|Videigry — jedna iz najbrže razvivajučih se formi moderne rekreacije.]] S razvojem digitalnoj tehnologiji, rekreacija doživila je novu transformaciju. Videigry, socijalne mrěže, streamovanje filmov i muziky su stali glavnymi formami modernoj rekreacije po vsem světě. Interpretacija rekreacijskih aktivnostej razvila se so vrěmenom. Prědže, rekreacija bila jest glavno asociovana s sportom i fizičnoj aktivnostju; hotj nyně jest mnogo obsežněja v svom razsahu. Seje vklučaje vsě prijetne i dokoličnje poduhvaty kako igranje videiger, sostjazanje v vnějšnih aktivnostjah, ili ugaženje v filmah — vse sut nyně uvažane «rekreacijskymi».<ref>{{Cite book | last = Rojek | first = Chris | year = 2010 | title = The Labour of Leisure: The Culture of Free Time | publisher = Sage Publications | isbn = 978-1-4129-2897-5 | pages = 45–50}}</ref> == Gledite takože == * [[Sport]] * [[Turizm]] * [[Putovanje]] * [[Zdravje]] * [[Igra]] == Iztočniky == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> [[Kategorija:Rekreacija]] [[Kategorija:Kultura]] {{INTERWIKI|Q184872}} fw2d9byvnfqutbsmgdgrx3cu2tnwz87 Taoizm 0 1816 27072 15205 2026-06-25T13:53:45Z Ilja isv 10 27072 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2025}} {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; width:250px; background-color:#f9f9f9; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:90%;" ! colspan="2" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; text-align:center; font-size:120%;" | Taoizm |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Fajl:Tao character.svg|200px|thumb|Kitajsky simbol 道, ktory označaje Tao]] |- | '''Kitajska nazva'''|| '''Kitajsky''': 道教 {{-|'''Hanyu Pinyin''': Dàojiào }} '''Doslovno značenje''': "Religija Puti" |- | '''Vjetnamska nazva''' || '''Vjetnamska azbuka''': {{-|Đạo giáo '''Chữ Hán''': 道教}} |- | '''Korejska nazva''' || '''Hangulj''': 도교 '''Handža''': 道敎 |- | '''Japonska nazva''' || '''Kandzi''': 道教 |} '''Taoizm''' ili '''daoizm''' - je raznoobrazna [[Filozofija|filozofska]] i [[Religija|religijna]] tradicija, počevša se v [[Kitaj]]u, osnovnym elementom ktoroj javjaje se harmonija s Tao (kit. 道; pinyin: dào.). V kitajskoj filozofiji smysl slova Tao može imeti diapazon značenij, vključajuči "put", "draga", "stežka" ili "tehnika", obyčno to značenje tolmači se kako tajenstveny proces transformacije, ktory leži v osnově realnosti. Taoizm povlival na razvoj različnyh praktik vně samogo taoizma, takyh kako meditacija, astrologija, qigong, feng shui i neidan. Občeju metoju taoiztskyh praktik javjaje se samoulěpšenje, vyše gluboko razumenje Tao i vyše harmonično sutstvovanje. Taoiztska etika je različna, ale obyčno podčrkaje take čestnosti, kako neprinudženost dějanij, prirodnost, prostota, i tri osnovnyh skarba: sustradanje, ščedženje i skromnost. == Čitati dalje == * {{Cite web| title=Tao te Tzin (latiniceju)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/ve2d1odP3C9}} * {{Cite web| title=Тао Те Тзин (кирилицеjy)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/8Oq-jOIo031}} [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9598}} izzmcoopairsvpv4ay5vq2adjngcr7v 27073 27072 2026-06-25T13:54:19Z Ilja isv 10 27073 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2025}} {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; width:250px; background-color:#f9f9f9; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:90%;" ! colspan="2" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; text-align:center; font-size:120%;" | Taoizm |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Fajl:Tao character.svg|200px|thumb|Kitajsky simbol 道, ktory označaje Tao]] |- | '''Kitajska nazva'''|| '''Kitajsky''': 道教 {{-|'''Hanyu Pinyin''': Dàojiào }} '''Doslovno značenje''': "Religija Puti" |- | '''Vjetnamska nazva''' || '''Vjetnamska azbuka''': {{-|Đạo giáo '''Chữ Hán''': 道教}} |- | '''Korejska nazva''' || '''Hangulj''': 도교 '''Handža''': 道敎 |- | '''Japonska nazva''' || '''Kandzi''': 道教 |} '''Taoizm''' ili '''daoizm''' - je raznoobrazna [[Filozofija|filozofska]] i [[Religija|religijna]] tradicija, počevša se v [[Kitaj]]u, osnovnym elementom ktoroj javjaje se harmonija s Tao (kit. 道; pinyin: dào.). V kitajskoj filozofiji smysl slova Tao može imeti diapazon značenij, vključajuči "put", "draga", "stežka" ili "tehnika", obyčno to značenje tolmači se kako tajenstveny proces transformacije, ktory leži v osnově realnosti. Taoizm povlival na razvoj različnyh praktik vně samogo taoizma, takyh kako meditacija, astrologija, qigong, feng shui i neidan. Občeju metoju taoiztskyh praktik javjaje se samoulěpšenje, vyše gluboko razumenje Tao i vyše harmonično sutstvovanje. Taoiztska etika je različna, ale obyčno podčrkaje take čestnosti, kako neprinudženost dějanij, prirodnost, prostota, i tri osnovnyh skarba: sustradanje, ščedženje i skromnost. == Čitati dalje == * {{Cite web| title=Tao te Tzin (latiniceju)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/ve2d1odP3C9}} * {{Cite web| title=Тао Те Тзин (кирилицеjy)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/8Oq-jOIo031}} [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9598}} sq45idhhdlqp6pkb942dmmqhitulbwl 27074 27073 2026-06-25T13:57:57Z Ilja isv 10 27074 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2025}} {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; width:250px; background-color:#f9f9f9; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:90%;" ! colspan="2" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; text-align:center; font-size:120%;" | Taoizm |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Fajl:Tao character.svg|200px|thumb|Kitajsky simbol 道, ktory označaje Tao]] |- | '''Kitajska nazva'''|| '''Kitajsky''': 道教 {{-|'''Hanyu Pinyin''': Dàojiào }} '''Doslovno značenje''': "Religija Puti" |- | '''Vjetnamska nazva''' || '''Vjetnamska azbuka''': {{-|Đạo giáo '''Chữ Hán''': 道教}} |- | '''Korejska nazva''' || '''Hangulj''': 도교 '''Handža''': 道敎 |- | '''Japonska nazva''' || '''Kandzi''': 道教 |} '''Taoizm''' ili '''daoizm''' - je raznoobrazna [[Filozofija|filozofska]] i [[Religija|religijna]] tradicija, počevša se v [[Kitaj]]u, osnovnym elementom ktoroj javjaje se harmonija s Tao (kit. 道; {{-|pinyin: dào.}}). V kitajskoj filozofiji smysl slova Tao može imeti diapazon značenij, vključajuči "put", "draga", "stežka" ili "tehnika", obyčno to značenje tolmači se kako tajenstveny proces transformacije, ktory leži v osnově realnosti. Taoizm povlival na razvoj različnyh praktik vně samogo taoizma, takyh kako meditacija, astrologija, {{-|qigong|цигун}}, {{-|feng shui|фен шуj}} i ne{{-|i|j}}dan. Občeju mětoju taoiztskyh praktik javjaje se samoizlěpšenje, vyše gluboko razuměnje Tao i vyše harmonično sutstvovanje. Taoiztska etika je različna, ale obyčno podčrkivaje take čestnosti, kako neprinudženost dějanij, prirodnost, prostota, i tri osnovnyh skarba: sustradanje, ščedženje i skromnost. == Čitati dalje == * {{Cite web| title=Tao te Tzin (latiniceju)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/ve2d1odP3C9}} * {{Cite web| title=Тао Те Тзин (кирилицеjy)|lang=isv|url=https://teletype.in/@glebdyndar/8Oq-jOIo031}} [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9598}} jggs3ez3928bwzjvmklopkokzplfp0c Koristnik:Vipz 2 2827 27145 20643 2026-06-25T21:19:58Z Vipz 118 27145 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#babel:sh|en-3|isv-2|de-1}} Zdrav surabotniki! Ja jesm Vipz, jedin od administratorov na dnes zastarělom Medžuvikiju — prědteči Vikipedije na medžuslovjanskom jezyku. == Pod-stranice == {{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Vipz/}} == Moji članky == Tudy sut članky ktore jesm stvoril ili mnogo uveličal. Povratne informacije i leksikalne korekcije velmi dobrodošle. * [[Hrvatsky jezyk]] * [[Měsec (period)]] * [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]] [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] === Planovany === * [[:Category:Alkohol]] ** [[Rakija]] ** [[Vodka]] ** [[Vino]] * [[:Category:Videoigry]] ** [[Videoigra]] ** ''[[Tetris]]'' ** ''[[Doom]]'' ([https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=60991 "medžuslovjansky Doom" projekt], [https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/slovianski/partial-game-translation-in-interslavic-t341.html polovičny prěklad], 2018-?) ** ''[[Secret Saga: Xamadeon Stone]]'' ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dBKW3a62U "prva igra na medžuslovjanskom"]) * [[:Category:Nastolne igry]] ** [[Šahy]] ([[/Šahy|skica]]) ** ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' (''Temnice & Drakoni'') sktc3ncrmbb66l1unma4so327dni288 27150 27145 2026-06-25T21:26:00Z Vipz 118 27150 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#babel:sh|en-3|isv-2|de-1}} Zdrav surabotniki! Ja jesm Vipz, jedin od administratorov na dnes zastarělom Medžuvikiju — prědteči Vikipedije na medžuslovjanskom jezyku. Jesm takože administrator srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i aktivny redaktor anglijskoj Vikipedije. Mene najmnogo interesuje tehnična infrastruktura projekta. == Pod-stranice == {{Special:PrefixIndex/User:Vipz/}} == Moji članky == Tudy sut članky ktore jesm stvoril ili mnogo uveličal. Povratne informacije i leksikalne korekcije velmi dobrodošle. * [[Hrvatsky jezyk]] * [[Měsec (period)]] * [[Srbskohrvatsky jezyk]] [[File:Symbol support vote.svg|15px]] === Planovany === * [[:Category:Alkohol]] ** [[Rakija]] ** [[Vodka]] ** [[Vino]] * [[:Category:Videoigry]] ** [[Videoigra]] ** ''[[Tetris]]'' ** ''[[Doom]]'' ([https://forum.zdoom.org/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=60991 "medžuslovjansky Doom" projekt], [https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/slovianski/partial-game-translation-in-interslavic-t341.html polovičny prěklad], 2018-?) ** ''[[Secret Saga: Xamadeon Stone]]'' ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m8dBKW3a62U "prva igra na medžuslovjanskom"]) * [[:Category:Nastolne igry]] ** [[Šahy]] ([[/Šahy|skica]]) ** ''[[Dungeons & Dragons]]'' (''Temnice & Drakoni'') mbeau2y6fqu6e2lvt9xmj62ckfnutd3 Koristnik:Vipz/Šahy 2 2828 27169 20644 2026-06-26T07:44:47Z Ilja isv 10 27169 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Skica}} [[File:Chess game Staunton No. 6 perfil view 7.jpg|thumb|Tekuča igra šahov]] '''Šahy''' jest [[Wp/isv/nastolna igra|nastolna igra]] za dvoh igračev, takože znany kako '''medžunarodny šahy''' ili '''zapadny šahy''' zaradi različenja s podobnymi igrami kako [[Wp/isv/šogi|šogi]] (japonsky šahy) i [[Wp/isv/šanči|šanči]] (kitajsky šahy). Šahy jest [[Wp/isv/abstraktna strategična igra|abstraktna strategična igra]] bez [[Wp/isv/Igra s sovršenoju informacijeju|ukrytyh informacij]] i bez elementov [[Wp/isv/Igra šansa|šansa]]. oupkaaq1uut639qldwe21s1egq3tbe1 NearLink 0 2829 27096 20646 2026-06-25T15:27:59Z Noncinque 49 Provierka raboty szablona dlja transliteracije 27096 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenje, pokrytje i bezpečnost. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. NearLink koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians SparkLight dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja NearLink. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty NearLink 1.0, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa NearLink, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians SparkLink oficialno izpustil SparkLink 1.0, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: SparkLink Low Energy (SLE) i SparkLink Basic (SLB). Takože byl prědstavjeny "The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma Huawei oficialno prědstavila NearLink kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja HarmonyOS. 29 avgusta 2023 Huawei izpustila seriju smartfonov Huawei Mate 60, ktore dobyli tehnologiju NearLink. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije "Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch" byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju NearLink. To byli tablet Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2", pero M-Pencil 3rd gen i slušalky FreeBuds Pro 3. 30 marca 2024 goda Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance i NearLink Alliance zajedno izpustili ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita NearLink Alliance 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči Huawei, BYD, Changan, FAW i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda Huawei izpustila beta-versiju HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13), nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije API NearLink Kit v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije NearLink sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: 1. Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj NearLink, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju GFSK i PSK raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek (FEC) na osnově polarnyh kodov. 2. Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. 3. Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == NearLink koristaje dva režima dostupa: SparkLink Low Energy i SparkLink Basic: # Režim SLE jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u Bluetooth, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim SLB jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u Wi-Fi, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !NearLink Module H383U<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !NearLink Module H383S<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Dimensions |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protocols |- |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE), NearLink, USB interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju WiFi i BLE, i takože koegzistenciju WiFi i NearLink. |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE), NearLink, SDIO interfejs komunikacije, koegzistovanje WiFi i BLE, i takože koegzistovanje WiFi i NearLink. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} rn6ocv060065zdv2ly2a0s6d6qwl1zs 27103 27096 2026-06-25T15:49:59Z Noncinque 49 Szablony blokovanja transliteracije 27103 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenje, pokrytje i bezpečnost. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: 1. Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. 2. Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. 3. Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistovanje {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistovanje {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} ia36kj0nl6tequdftzsrtrhqltnr9ik 27105 27103 2026-06-25T15:51:52Z Noncinque 49 /* Ustroj sistemy */ 27105 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenje, pokrytje i bezpečnost. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. 3. Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistovanje {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistovanje {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} b4qozrxft9c5938qn81dcl961chz4kj 27106 27105 2026-06-25T15:52:13Z Noncinque 49 /* Ustroj sistemy */ 27106 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenje, pokrytje i bezpečnost. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje 802.11b/g/n/ax, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistovanje {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistovanje {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} sy81oj0pajpaezc51tkpe58p3mbgk0k 27108 27106 2026-06-25T15:54:05Z Noncinque 49 /* Moduly */ 27108 wikitext text/x-wiki {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenje, pokrytje i bezpečnost. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} ffqw49vgf3hdmi8noq9mef20593fdna 27179 27108 2026-06-26T08:27:56Z Ilja isv 10 27179 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenje, pokrytje i bezpečnost. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 4z2y33jzey6zcenkmtxctivu6rgbdpb 27182 27179 2026-06-26T08:52:09Z Ilja isv 10 27182 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standarty {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} drm74gr0irlfkisfa5y6a9ywc9bo7s6 27183 27182 2026-06-26T08:56:57Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27183 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože byl prědstavjeny {{-|"The White Paper for Promotion of SparkLink Short-Range Wireless Communication (SparkLink 1.0) for Industrial Use"}}. 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} nqwtz1wkg5ww0012oiuf4rrf6slsajh 27185 27183 2026-06-26T09:00:22Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27185 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili {{-|"ICCE Alliance Digital Key System Part 6: NearLink System Requirements"}} v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi strånami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} gskffimhipewhhonoritzjtd5zmxb25 27186 27185 2026-06-26T09:04:55Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27186 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili dokument "Sistema cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest Part 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} qi6cmdhbhhh5fib5rp63nifp7qpt789 27187 27186 2026-06-26T09:05:18Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27187 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili dokument "Sistema cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} bg1pr9k2cy088adj0y6cvz8rdnxsch2 27188 27187 2026-06-26T09:06:07Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27188 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključajuči {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugymi. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 5e7a9c63a3lz7a10wkq3l5sodzrij5j 27189 27188 2026-06-26T09:06:45Z Ilja isv 10 /* Historija */ 27189 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy Huawejem. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 4p9k9sbq440ceuw3rax7sx70q4iii1m 27190 27189 2026-06-26T09:08:18Z Ilja isv 10 27190 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy [[Huawei|Huawejem]]. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 9pjxeiqiyj5r7itlqi7wo4qn2dtbxbf 27191 27190 2026-06-26T09:08:57Z Ilja isv 10 27191 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy [[Huawei (korporacija)|Huawejem]]. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil {{-|"SparkLink Short-range Wireless Communications Standard 1.0"}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 5qllhkoms0p08erxbltxbl7kde7u749 27192 27191 2026-06-26T09:10:35Z Ilja isv 10 27192 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy [[Huawei (korporacija)|Huawejem]]. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil "Standard blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink}} 1.0", ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00mm X 12.00mm X 2.2mm |12.20mm X 13.00mm X 1.8mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 7qtim7utuooecu3ut6zvcfjzorchlpg 27193 27192 2026-06-26T09:13:41Z Ilja isv 10 /* Moduly */ 27193 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy [[Huawei (korporacija)|Huawejem]]. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil "Standard blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink}} 1.0", ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00 mm ×12.00 mm × 2.2 mm |12.20 mm × 13.00 mm × 1.8 mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} f0mi79mm88jp84qe7f3xwt3xdwph7jr 27196 27193 2026-06-26T09:20:49Z Ilja isv 10 27196 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy [[Huawei (korporacija)|Huawejem]]. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil "Standard blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink}} 1.0", ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00 mm ×12.00 mm × 2.2 mm |12.20 mm × 13.00 mm × 1.8 mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 2daqhn2n5vmx8n42u4wquzuej2y46zi 27197 27196 2026-06-26T09:21:09Z Ilja isv 10 /* Referencije */ 27197 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} {{-|'''NearLink'''}} (kitajsky: 星闪; takože znajemy kako {{-|'''SparkLink'''}} i raněje {{-|'''Greentooth'''}}) jest protokol bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja, razrabotany {{-|NearLink Alliance}}, ktory byl osnovany 22 septembra 2020 goda i vladajemy [[Huawei (korporacija)|Huawejem]]. Po stanju na septembr 2023, v sostavu aliansa bylo 300 firm i institutov, vključajuči producentov avtomobilov, mikroshem i modulov, razrabotnikov aplikacij, {{-|ICT}} firmy i naučne instituty. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians izpustil "Standard blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink}} 1.0", ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}} dlja integracije funkcij tradicijnyh bezprovodnyh tehnologij kako {{-|Bluetooth}} i {{-|Wi-Fi}}, s ulěpšenymi trěbovanjami k spozdnjenju, energospotrěbjenju, pokrytju i bezpečnosti. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|NearLink Alliance}} izpustil {{-|Standard 2.0}}, ktory ulěpšaje konečnu sistemu protokolov i razširjaje standarty aplikacij, poddrživajuči vlastne možnosti obrabotanja audio i video, interakciju člověka s kompjuterom i aplikacije dlja pozicijovanja. {{-|NearLink}} koristaje tehnologiju {{-|Cyclic Prefix-OFDM}} dlja razrěšenja problemov spozdnjenja v raznyh aplikacijah. Tuta tehnologija imaje superkratku strukturu kadra i gybku shemu planovanja resursov v časovoj oblasti, čto smenšaje spozdnjenje prědanja bliz do 20 mikrosekund. Čto vyše, {{-|NearLink}} koristaje polarne kody i adoptuje shemy {{-|HARQ}} dlja poddrživanja aplikacij s vysokymi trěbovanjami k věrodostojnosti, takyh kako industrialne {{-|"closed-loop control"}} aplikacije dlja avtomatizovanyh sbornyh linij, kde trěbovanja k věrodostojnosti sut ne menje 99,999%. Prvym produktom s tehnologijeju {{-|NearLink}} stala serija smartfonov {{-|Mate 60}}, prědstavjena Huawejem 29 avgusta. Za njeju poslědovali slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}} 25 novembra 2023 goda, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} zajedno s tabletom {{-|MatePad 13.2}} 14 decembra 2023 goda, i serija smartfonov {{-|Pura 70}} 18 aprila 2024 goda. Po stanju na april 2026 goda, bylo odpravjeno vyše 100 milionov integralnyh mikroshem s {{-|NearLink}}. == Historija == 22 septembra 2020 goda byl stvorjeny alians {{-|SparkLight}} dlja razrabotyvanja standarta bezprovodnoj svezi bližnjego dalja dějanja {{-|NearLink}}. K koncu 2021 goda byli definitivno utvrdžene standardy {{-|NearLink 1.0}}, ktore stvorili osnovnu konečnu arhitekturu, vključajuču rang dostupa {{-|NearLink}}, osnovny servisny rang i osnovny programny rang. 4 novembra 2022 goda alians {{-|SparkLink}} oficialno izpustil {{-|SparkLink 1.0}}, ktory imaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy (SLE)}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic (SLB)}}. Takože bylo prědstavjeno "Rukovodstvo za promociju sistemy blizkoj bezprovodnoj komunikacije {{-|SparkLink 1.0}} pri izkoristanju v promyslu". 4 avgusta 2023 na konferenciji razrabotnikov firma {{-|Huawei}} oficialno prědstavila {{-|NearLink}} kako novu metodu bezprovodnoj svezi dlja {{-|HarmonyOS}}. 29 avgusta 2023 {{-|Huawei}} izpustila seriju smartfonov {{-|Huawei Mate 60}}, ktore dobyli tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. 25 septembra 2023 goda na prezentacije {{-|"Huawei's Autumn Full-Scenario New Products Launch"}} byla prědstavjena nova serija aparatov, poddrživajučih tehnologiju {{-|NearLink}}. To byli tablet {{-|Huawei MatePad Pro 13.2"}}, pero {{-|M-Pencil 3rd gen}} i slušalky {{-|FreeBuds Pro 3}}. 30 marca 2024 goda {{-|Intelligent Car Connectivity Industry Ecosystem Alliance}} i {{-|NearLink Alliance}} zajedno izpustili "Sistemu cifrovogo ključa {{-|ICCE Alliance}}, čest 6: Trěbovanja k sistemě {{-|NearLink}}" v ramkah Medžunarodnogo samita {{-|NearLink Alliance}} 2024 goda. Trěbovanja byli sformulovane raznymi stranami, vključno {{-|Huawei}}, {{-|BYD}}, {{-|Changan}}, {{-|FAW}} i drugyh. 12 novembra 2024 goda {{-|Huawei}} izpustila beta-versiju {{-|HarmonyOS 5.0.1(13)}}, nacěljenu na razrabotnikov, ktora imaje polno poddrživanje integracije {{-|API NearLink Kit}} v operacijnu sistemu dlja poddrživanja postrannyh aplikacij. == Ustroj sistemy == Ustroj sistemy tehnologije {{-|NearLink}} sostoji iz trěh slojev: fizičny sloj, kanalny sloj i sětevy sloj: # Fizičny sloj: glavny sloj {{-|NearLink}}, odpovědalny za prědavanje i prijetje vysokočestotne signaly. Fizičny sloj koristaje modulaciju {{-|GFSK}} i {{-|PSK}} raznyh poredkov. Kromě togo, fizičny sloj imaje korekciju pogrěšek {{-|(FEC)}} na osnově polarnyh kodov. # Kanalny sloj: odpovědaje glavnym obrazom za upakovanje i raspakovanje danyh, a takože za prověrku danyh i korekciju pogrěšek. # Sětevy sloj: odpovědaje za maršrutizaciju i prěsylanje danyh, zabezpečajuči jih pravilno prěměščenje v cěljevy punkt. == Režimy dostupa == {{-|NearLink}} koristaje dva režima dostupa: {{-|SparkLink Low Energy}} i {{-|SparkLink Basic}}: # Režim {{-|SLE}} jest v osnovnom prěznačeny dlja aplikacij s nizkym energospotrěbjenjem, nizkym spozdnjenjem i vysokoju věrodostojnostju, takyh kako bezprovodne garnitury, myši, avtove ključi, i tako dalje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja danyh do 12 Mbit/s, čto jest v šest razov vyše než u {{-|Bluetooth}}, poddrživaje dvustranno spozdnjenje v 250 mikrosekund, jednočasny dostup 256 koristnikov i energospotrěbjenje menje 2 mA. # Režim {{-|SLB}} jest orientovany na vysokobystre, vysokoproduktivne i vysokotočne scenarije izkoristanja, kako prěsylanje videa, velikyh fajov i točno pozicijovanje. On zabezpečaje bystrost prěsylanja do 1,2 Gbit/s, čto jest v dva raza vyše než u {{-|Wi-Fi}}, a takože poddrživaje spozdnjenje v 20 mikrosekund i jednočasny dostup 4096 koristnikov. == Moduly == {| class="wikitable" |+ !{{-|NearLink Module H383U}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383U|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|website=VLink|access-date=2023-09-26|archive-date=2023-10-02|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20231002180129/http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/21.html|url-status=dead}}</ref> !{{-|NearLink Module H383S}}<ref>{{cite web|title=NearLink Module H383S|url=http://www.v-linktech.com/?product/22.html|website=VLink}}</ref> |- ! colspan="2" |Razměry |- |12.00 mm ×12.00 mm × 2.2 mm |12.20 mm × 13.00 mm × 1.8 mm |- ! colspan="2" |Protokoly |- |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|USB}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |Poddrživaje {{-|802.11b/g/n/ax}}, {{-|Bluetooth Low Energy (BLE)}}, {{-|NearLink}}, {{-|SDIO}} interfejs komunikacije, koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|BLE}}, i takože koegzistenciju {{-|WiFi}} i {{-|NearLink}}. |- |} == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|en|NearLink}} {{INTERWIKI|Q122828004}} 30g5l99hhwnpxh4qac1mu4k8fom7hf3 Koristnik:Ilja isv/pěskovišče 2 2830 27170 26961 2026-06-26T08:00:39Z Ilja isv 10 27170 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Infobox protokol | name = NearLink | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = NearLink logo | developer = NearLink Alliance | industry = [[Personal area network]]s | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[Smartphone]]s<br />[[Personal computer]]s<br />[[Audio equipment|Audio devices]]<br />[[Embedded system|Embedded devices]]<br />[[Internet of things]]<br />[[Internet of vehicles]] | range = | website = http://www.sparklink.org.cn/ }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Category:Wp/isv]] [[Category:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} a899bjazvct4sc3p2q31vlrkfwchr8d 27171 27170 2026-06-26T08:00:58Z Ilja isv 10 27171 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka protokol | name = NearLink | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = NearLink logo | developer = NearLink Alliance | industry = [[Personal area network]]s | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[Smartphone]]s<br />[[Personal computer]]s<br />[[Audio equipment|Audio devices]]<br />[[Embedded system|Embedded devices]]<br />[[Internet of things]]<br />[[Internet of vehicles]] | range = | website = http://www.sparklink.org.cn/ }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Category:Wp/isv]] [[Category:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} m8x996ff5f19wprmqzx8x4wdfv8t5od 27178 27171 2026-06-26T08:25:35Z Ilja isv 10 27178 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = http://www.sparklink.org.cn/ }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Category:Wp/isv]] [[Category:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} gn4nlwminpckr78bxee7htpf1wl2euh 27195 27178 2026-06-26T09:18:21Z Ilja isv 10 27195 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=June 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} {{Kartka protokol | name = {{-|NearLink}} | image = NearLink Logo.png | caption = Logotip {{-|NearLink}} | developer = {{-|NearLink Alliance}} | industry = [[Mrěža ličnogo dostupa|Mrěže ličnogo dostupa]] | introdate = {{start date and age|df=yes|2022|11|04}} | connector = | hardware = [[smartfon]]y<br />[[Personalny kompjuter|personalne kompjutery]]<br />[[Audio aparat|audio aparaty]]<br />[[Vbudovana sistema|vbudovane sistemy]]<br />[[Internet věčij]]<br />[[Internet vozov]] | range = | website = {{-|http://www.sparklink.org.cn/}} }} Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Category:Wp/isv]] [[Category:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} t9uno9ct9yim857lz21rrxmlcwywfxq Besěda:Arabsko pismo 1 3565 27156 23308 2026-06-26T05:09:18Z MwGamera 13 /* Pytanje */ Odgovor 27156 wikitext text/x-wiki == Pytanje == Imaju pytanje: čto znači "konstantna sistema"? V kakom smyslu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]]: Myslju, že moglo hoditi o pismo "konsonantne", s bukvami označajučimi jedino suglasky/konsonanty. Od takoj klasifikacije začinajut se članky v někojih jezykah (napr. {{lang|sk|[[:sk:Arabské písmo]]}}, {{lang|be|[[:be:Арабскі алфавіт]]}}). --[[User:MwGamera|<span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none">Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera</span>]] ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 07:09, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) i3mx43rcfkdz169l6ba657eju3k5gui 27161 27156 2026-06-26T05:24:56Z MwGamera 13 27161 wikitext text/x-wiki == Pytanje == Imaju pytanje: čto znači "konstantna sistema"? V kakom smyslu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 18:58, 7 November 2024 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]]: Mnju, že moglo hoditi o pismo "konsonantne", s bukvami označajučimi jedino suglasky/konsonanty. Od takoj klasifikacije začinajut se članky v někojih jezykah (napr. {{lang|sk|[[:sk:Arabské písmo]]}}, {{lang|be|[[:be:Арабскі алфавіт]]}}). --[[User:MwGamera|<span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none">Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera</span>]] ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 07:09, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) bfaf9cqqw0juenv105bllpjs1odtmd9 Koristnik:Мурад 97 2 4522 27110 27034 2026-06-25T16:26:29Z Мурад 97 27 27110 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#babel:az|ru-5|en-3|tr-2|lt-1|ja-1|ko-0|fr-0}} == Моје чланкы == * [[Сука (музикалны инструмент)]] === Моје чланкы в [[Русска Википедија|Русској Википедији]]=== * [[:ru:Карл Витте]] * [[:ru:Короткомордый кенгуру]] * [[:ru:Двадцать восемь будд (список)]] * [[:ru:Кристина Свечинская]] * [[:ru:Праведный халиф]] * [[:ru:Дагомейские амазонки]] * [[:ru:Атабек Узбек]] * [[:ru:Running Scared (песня)]] * [[:ru:Молочный коктейль]] * [[:ru:Ройа Айхан]] * [[:ru:Высший Балл]] * [[:ru:Flame Towers]] * [[:ru:Сепаратизм в Азербайджане]] * [[:ru:Азербайджанцы на Украине]] * [[:ru:Христианство в Азербайджане]] * [[:ru:CarambaTv.ru]] * [[:ru:Ловушка для невесты]] * [[:ru:Майкл Данте ДиМартино]] * [[:ru:Государство Палестина на летних Олимпийских играх 2012]] * [[:ru:Хатидзёдзима]] * [[:ru:Кимпира]] * [[:ru:NHK World]] * [[:ru:Американский университет в Центральной Азии]] * [[:ru:Китайско-турецкие отношения]] * [[:ru:Чёлгечен, Эмель]] === Моје чланкы в [[Азербајджанска Википедија|Азербајджанској Википедији]]=== * [[:az:Maroon 5]] * [[:az:Serial]] * [[:az:Sten Marş]] * [[:az:Erik Kartman]] * [[:az:Kayl Broflovski]] * [[:az:Yuri Lujkov]] * [[:az:Türkmənbaşı]] * [[:az:Kirkorov, Filip Bedrosoviç]] * [[:az:Turist (film, 2010)]] * [[:az:Avatar: Aanq haqqında əfsanə]] [[File:LinkFA-star.png|link=:az:Vikipediya:Seçilmiş məqalələr]] * [[:az:Homer Simpson]] * [[:az:Lara Fabian]] * [[:az:Marc Simpson]] * [[:az:Bart Simpson]] * [[:az:Kenni MakKormik]] * [[:az:Karl Vitte]] * [[:az:Liza Simpson]] * [[:az:Meggi Simpson]] * [[:az:Harri Potter və Fəlsəfə Daşı (kitab)]] * [[:az:Harri Potter və Sirlər Otağı (kitab)]] * [[:az:Harri Potter və Azkabanın Dustağı (kitab)]] * [[:az:Harri Potter və Od kuboku (kitab)]] * [[:az:Harri Potter və Simurq ordeni (kitab)]] * [[:az:Harri Potter və Mələz Şahzadə (kitab)]] * [[:az:Jorjio Armani]] * [[:az:Roxette]] * [[:az:Lazanya]] * [[:az:Dakar]] * [[:az:Amman]] * [[:az:Kanberra]] * [[:az:Luçano Pavarotti]] * [[:az:Nickelodeon]] * [[:az:İsaak Babel]] * [[:az:Enriko Karuzo]] * [[:az:Qısaüzlü Kenquru]] * [[:az:Aleksey Vorobyov]] * [[:az:Pearls of Passion]] * [[:az:İsaak Azimov]] * [[:az:Dance Passion]] * [[:az:Look Sharp!]] * [[:az:It's My War]] * [[:az:Sakura]] * [[:az:San Sebastian]] * [[:az:Get You]] * [[:az:Ər-Riyad]] * [[:az:Mika Nyuton]] * [[:az:Satellite]] * [[:az:Believe (mahnı)]] * [[:az:Eldrine]] * [[:az:One More Day]] * [[:az:Paradise Oskar]] * [[:az:Lüdmila Qurçenko]] * [[:az:LOL (film, 2008)]] * [[:az:Zемфира]] * [[:az:Da Da Dam]] * [[:az:Yoxanesburq]] * [[:az:Herzeleid]] * [[:az:Coan Roulinq]] * [[:az:Joyride]] * [[:az:Dnepr]] * [[:az:Son Hava Bükücü]] * [[:az:Yolka]] * [[:az:Britaniya İmperiyası]] * [[:az:Tourism]] * [[:az:Crash! 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ktore živut na teritorijah postsovětskyh republik. Korjo-saram sut potomki korejcev, ktori žili ili prěselili se do rosijskogo [[Daleky Iztok Rosije|Dalekogo Iztoka]] v priblizno 1860-h letah. Oni govorili na [[Hamgjonsky dialekt korejskogo jezyka|hamgjonskom]] ({{Jezyky|ko|동북 방언, 東北方言}}) dialektu korejskogo jezyka. Na osnově togo dialekta rodil se dialekt [[korjo mar]]. Ale posle mnogo vrěmeni množina korjo-sam počeli byti ruskojezyčni. Iz najznanih korejcev sut pěvak [[Viktor Coj]], bokser [[Konstantin Borisovič Czju|Konstantin (Kostja) Czju]], pěvica [[Coj Anita Sergejevna|Anita Coj]], gimnastka [[Kim Neli Vladimirovna|Neli Kim]], naučnik [[Pak Zinovij Petrovič|Zinovij Pak]]. {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q711083}} [[Kategorija:Narody]] jyt5epgf6onr7ygsb7v7p6mlgx6w674 Rok (muzyka) 0 4526 27202 26978 2026-06-26T09:43:39Z Ilja isv 10 27202 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Rok''' ({{Jezyky|en|Rock}}) — jest žanr-trend popularnoj muziky, ktory vozniknul od [[Rock and roll|rok-n-rola]]. Često muziciruje se s pomočju prěusiljenyh [[Elektrogitara|elektrogitar]], [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitar]] i barabannyh-bubenovyh stancij. Toj žanr označaje harakteristične za rok-n-rol ritmične počutja, ktore svezane sut s oprěděljenymi formami hoda-dviženja kako ''roll'', ''twist'', ''swing'', ''{{-|shake|шеjк}}''. Rok-muzika imaje mnogo podtipov: tancevalny originalny rok-n-rol, pop-rok, brit-pop, det-metal, alternativny rok, art-rok, gotik-rok, indastrial-rok, indi-rok, kantri-rok, nojz-rok, pank-rok, postpank, psihodeličny rok, raga-rok, soft-rok, fank-rok, folk-rok, hard-rok, eksperimentalny rok, metal. Iztočnik-proizhodženje rok-muziky ide od [[Bljuz|bljuza]] ({{Jezyky|en|Blues}}, "smutok"). Osnovne města rodženja rok-muziky sut [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjene Štaty Ameriky]] i Zapadna Evropa. {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q11399}} [[Kategorija:Muzika]] 66dpgisg9jl2555h4kim8ql9eavrsed 27203 27202 2026-06-26T09:45:03Z Ilja isv 10 27203 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Rok''' ({{Jezyky|en|Rock}}) — jest žanr-trend popularnoj muziky, ktory vozniknul od [[Rock and roll|rok-n-rola]]. Često muziciruje se s pomočju prěusiljenyh [[Elektrogitara|elektrogitar]], [[Bas-gitara|bas-gitar]] i barabannyh-bubnovyh stancij. Toj žanr označaje harakteristične za rok-n-rol ritmične počutja, ktore svezane sut s oprěděljenymi formami hoda-dviženja kako ''roll'', ''twist'', ''swing'', ''{{-|shake|шеjк}}''. Rok-muzika imaje mnogo podtipov: tancevalny originalny rok-n-rol, pop-rok, brit-pop, det-metal, alternativny rok, art-rok, gotik-rok, indastrial-rok, indi-rok, kantri-rok, nojz-rok, pank-rok, postpank, psihodeličny rok, raga-rok, soft-rok, fank-rok, folk-rok, hard-rok, eksperimentalny rok, metal. Iztočnik-proizhodženje rok-muziky ide od [[Bljuz|bljuza]] ({{Jezyky|en|Blues}}, "smutok"). Osnovne města rodženja rok-muziky sut [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|Sjedinjene Štaty Ameriky]] i Zapadna [[Evropa]]. {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q11399}} [[Kategorija:Muzika]] 4h2elr2iuoi3u3tg996hdoqtvb9igs5 Mass Effect 0 4528 27168 26990 2026-06-26T07:41:50Z Ilja isv 10 27168 wikitext text/x-wiki '''{{-|Mass Effect}}''' — jest naučno-fantastična medija-serija, ktoru sut stvorili [[Casey Hudson|Kejsi Hadson]] ({{Jezyky|en|Casey Hudson}}) i [[Drew Karpyshyn|Drju Karpišin]] ({{Jezyky|en|Drew Karpyshyn}}). V njej ide historija o dalekoj budučnosti, v ktoroj ljudi i inoplanetjani kolonizovali Mlěčny put s pomočju tehnologij najdavnih civilizacij. Medija-serija sodrživaje seriju igr, ktore stvorila kompanija {{-|[[BioWare]]}} i ktore izdali {{-|[[Microsoft Studios]]}} i {{-|[[Electronic Arts]]}}. V prvyh treh igrah ({{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect 1]]}}, {{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} i {{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}}) ide reč o boju komandira Šeparda i jegovogo odreda protiv Žnecov, ktori hčut izniščiti vsaku živnost v galaktikě. V {{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} dějanja idut poslě 600 let od {{-|Mass Effect 3}} i izlagajut o kolonistah, ktori kolonizujut [[Galaktika Andromedy|galaktiku Andromedy]]. Osnovne igry serije sut strěljanky od tretjego lica s elementami roljevoj igry. Igrač može izbirati različne varianty za odgovor v dialogah, ktore imajut vliv na dějanja. Misije igrač hodi so svojim odredom, s nektorymi iz ktoryh možno dělati romany. == Igry == === Osnovna serija === * {{-|[[Mass Effect (igra)|Mass Effect]]}} (2007) — izhodila na {{-|[[PlayStation 3]]}}, {{-|[[Xbox 360]]}}, {{-|[[Windows]]}} * {{-|[[Mass Effect 2]]}} (2010) — izhodila na {{-|PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Windows}} * {{-|[[Mass Effect 3]]}} (2012) — izhodila na {{-|PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, Windows, [[Wii U]]}} * {{-|[[Mass Effect: Andromeda]]}} (2017) — izhodila na {{-|[[PlayStation 4]], [[Xbox One]], Windows}} === Druge === * {{-|[[Mass Effect Galaxy]] (2009) — [[iOS]]}} * {{-|[[Mass Effect Infiltrator]] (2012) — iOS, [[Android]], [[Windows Phone]]}} * {{-|[[Mass Effect: Legendary Edition]] (2021) — PlayStation 4, Xbox One, Windows}} {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q953242}} [[Kategorija:Mass Effect]] [[Kategorija:Serije videoigr]] hnyl2trxj2ibk5ouombtlht3bfaq6pf Besěda s koristnikom:IJzeren Jan 3 4531 27085 26994 2026-06-25T14:27:25Z Ilja isv 10 /* Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu */ nova sekcija 27085 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 7evj9yi3l21ethimu03ykkpjuwz1sbl 27087 27085 2026-06-25T14:39:31Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu */ Odgovor 27087 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) hxr7lo84sduyamhwoyj9zkxr44wylie 27088 27087 2026-06-25T14:42:12Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu */ Odgovor 27088 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) io2w6g7rxu87sh5f9m1v122hqfztsvx 27109 27088 2026-06-25T16:11:43Z Panslavist 34 /* Blagodarnost */ nova sekcija 27109 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Blagodarnost == @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Považeny Pane Jane ja jesm priključil se k projektu toliko zaradi Vašego intervju panji Olgě Woźńiak "Językotworzenie: jak słowa tworzą nowe światy" i ja jesm gluboko blagodarny Vam kako za to intervju, tako i za pomoč v prověrkě mojih člankov v Inkubatorě. Ne smotrječi na to, že ja jesm znal o MS jezyku mnogo-mnogo lět, toliko Vaše intervju jest pobudilo mene pisati i izučati jego iznovo. Svoja Vikipedija to jest ogromny krok k razvitju našej občej literaturnoj normy i k stvorjenju literatury na medžuslovjanskom jezyku, čto dozvoli projektu žiti dalěje. Nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s Vami! 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 5dmb5ikswdln5aphclce9xkvpjms4ap 27155 27109 2026-06-26T03:16:54Z Vipz 118 /* Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu */ Odgovor 27155 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Sdělano, lp. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Blagodarnost == @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Považeny Pane Jane ja jesm priključil se k projektu toliko zaradi Vašego intervju panji Olgě Woźńiak "Językotworzenie: jak słowa tworzą nowe światy" i ja jesm gluboko blagodarny Vam kako za to intervju, tako i za pomoč v prověrkě mojih člankov v Inkubatorě. Ne smotrječi na to, že ja jesm znal o MS jezyku mnogo-mnogo lět, toliko Vaše intervju jest pobudilo mene pisati i izučati jego iznovo. Svoja Vikipedija to jest ogromny krok k razvitju našej občej literaturnoj normy i k stvorjenju literatury na medžuslovjanskom jezyku, čto dozvoli projektu žiti dalěje. Nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s Vami! 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) alzwa4uarbslpxo79pnc0mwigl3ku5x 27157 27155 2026-06-26T05:16:48Z Ilja isv 10 /* Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu */ Odgovor 27157 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Sdělano, lp. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Hvala velika! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Blagodarnost == @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Považeny Pane Jane ja jesm priključil se k projektu toliko zaradi Vašego intervju panji Olgě Woźńiak "Językotworzenie: jak słowa tworzą nowe światy" i ja jesm gluboko blagodarny Vam kako za to intervju, tako i za pomoč v prověrkě mojih člankov v Inkubatorě. Ne smotrječi na to, že ja jesm znal o MS jezyku mnogo-mnogo lět, toliko Vaše intervju jest pobudilo mene pisati i izučati jego iznovo. Svoja Vikipedija to jest ogromny krok k razvitju našej občej literaturnoj normy i k stvorjenju literatury na medžuslovjanskom jezyku, čto dozvoli projektu žiti dalěje. Nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s Vami! 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) bef2z39en0v6bpy5u2ksyb66rx0tm1w 27166 27157 2026-06-26T05:53:52Z VadymTS1 172 /* Translations */ nova sekcija 27166 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' <sub>(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)</sub>''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Sdělano, lp. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Hvala velika! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Blagodarnost == @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Považeny Pane Jane ja jesm priključil se k projektu toliko zaradi Vašego intervju panji Olgě Woźńiak "Językotworzenie: jak słowa tworzą nowe światy" i ja jesm gluboko blagodarny Vam kako za to intervju, tako i za pomoč v prověrkě mojih člankov v Inkubatorě. Ne smotrječi na to, že ja jesm znal o MS jezyku mnogo-mnogo lět, toliko Vaše intervju jest pobudilo mene pisati i izučati jego iznovo. Svoja Vikipedija to jest ogromny krok k razvitju našej občej literaturnoj normy i k stvorjenju literatury na medžuslovjanskom jezyku, čto dozvoli projektu žiti dalěje. Nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s Vami! 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Здраво! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an inter-Slavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[Koristnik:VadymTS1|VadymTS1]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:VadymTS1|besěda]]) 07:53, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) 1vyp8ial98hvkcn3cb6yy4jiarqli6i Besěda s koristnikom:Jon Harald Søby 3 4537 27091 27066 2026-06-25T14:50:14Z IJzeren Jan 9 27091 wikitext text/x-wiki == Thanks! == Hello @[[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]]! Thank you for creating this Interslavic Wikipedia, that came faster than I expected, because usually it's a phabricator task that takes a few weeks or months to be implemented. Anyway, it looks great! That said, I noticed that some of the namespaces have not been translated yet. Would it be possible to change the names of the following namespaces: * Wikipedia → Vikipedija * Besěda o Wikipedia → Besěda o Vikipediji * Module → Modul * Module talk → Besěda o modulu Second thing, the Wikipedia logo at the top of each page should be changed to [[:File:Wikipedia-logo-v2-isv.svg]] (or something similar). Third thing: on the Recent changes and similar pages, the name of the month is still written in the nominative, but it should be in the genitive. Do you know if there is a way to fix that? And one more thing. Not that it is of the utmost importance, but on [[:meta:List of Wikipedias]] I saw Interslavic listed under the name "medžuslovjansky", which is strange, because all other languages are listed under their English names. At last, I'm sure a few issues regaring transliteration will come up, but I'll leave that for later. Thanks again! Best regards, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:34, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) :{{ping|IJeren Jan}} Not Jon but the logo and project namespace name should be changed after [[gerrit:1305476]] is merged. You will have to create another task on [[phab:|Phabricator]] for the Module namespace. --11:26, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Indeed, I see the logo and the Vikipedija namespace are fine now! As for the module namespace, it's not THAT important, so I guess I'll leave it as it is. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:50, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) bvhj5p4e4c3g72tfq77jp1bxpn275gc Сука (музикалны инструмент) 0 4539 27122 27048 2026-06-25T16:41:48Z Мурад 97 27 27122 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Suka bilgorajska.jpg|thumb]] '''Сука''' або '''Сука билгорајска''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Suka biłgorajska}}) јест струнно-смычковы, хисторичны пољскы музикалны инструмент. Тутчас сут јего реконструоване версије, кторыми такоже играјут.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.songlines.co.uk/features/suka-musical-instrument-guide-with-maria-pomianowska | title = Suka. Musical Instrument Guide (with Maria Pomianowska) | first = Simon | last = Broughton}}</ref> == Хисторија == Вєројетно, же находност смычковых инструментов иде из Централној Азији. Они је были разпрострањаны по Евразији приблизно в X веку. В Пољскє једин вид местных гусљ јк был иззначен в 1545 году.<ref name="Britannica">{{Cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |title=The violin family |work= |publisher=[[Britannika Ensiklopediyası]] Online |date= |accessdate=2025-03-20 |archive-date=2024-04-17 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240417114942/https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |url-status=live }}</ref> == Източникы == {{Iztočniky}} {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q2670517}} [[Kategorija:Музикални инструменты]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2670517}} 4z6ovmyn438aytdl51gmgk2nkt5v0cw 27124 27122 2026-06-25T17:08:26Z Мурад 97 27 27124 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Suka bilgorajska.jpg|thumb]] '''Сука''' або '''Сука билгорајска''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Suka biłgorajska}}) јест струнно-смычковы, хисторичны пољскы музикалны инструмент. Тутчас сут јего реконструоване версије, кторыми такоже играјут.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.songlines.co.uk/features/suka-musical-instrument-guide-with-maria-pomianowska | title = Suka. Musical Instrument Guide (with Maria Pomianowska) | first = Simon | last = Broughton}}</ref> == Хисторија == Вєројетно, же находност смычковых инструментов иде из Централној Азији. Они је были разпрострањаны по Евразији приблизно в {{-|X}} веку. В Пољскє једин вид местных гусљ је был иззначен в 1545 году.<ref name="Britannica">{{Cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |title=The violin family |work= |publisher=[[Britannika Ensiklopediyası]] Online |date= |accessdate=2025-03-20 |archive-date=2024-04-17 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240417114942/https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |url-status=live }}</ref> == Източникы == {{Iztočniky}} {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q2670517}} [[Kategorija:Музикални инструменты]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2670517}} jsq8y14b76w7tyln85xxh0f3g8tp3fa 27180 27124 2026-06-26T08:46:30Z Мурад 97 27 /* Хисторија */ 27180 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Suka bilgorajska.jpg|thumb]] '''Сука''' або '''Сука билгорајска''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Suka biłgorajska}}) јест струнно-смычковы, хисторичны пољскы музикалны инструмент. Тутчас сут јего реконструоване версије, кторыми такоже играјут.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.songlines.co.uk/features/suka-musical-instrument-guide-with-maria-pomianowska | title = Suka. Musical Instrument Guide (with Maria Pomianowska) | first = Simon | last = Broughton}}</ref> == Хисторија == Вєројетно, же находност смычковых инструментов иде из Централној Азији. Они је были разпрострањаны по Евразији приблизно в {{-|X}} веку. В Пољскє једин вид местных гусљ је был иззначен в 1545 году.<ref name="Britannica">{{Cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |title=The violin family |work= |publisher=[[Britannika Ensiklopediyası]] Online |date= |accessdate=2025-03-20 |archive-date=2024-04-17 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240417114942/https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |url-status=live }}</ref> Сут нєколико археологичных находок смычковых инструментов в Пољскє. Вкључно гусље {{-|XI}} в. из Ополе, пет струнных инструментов {{-|XII}} в. најденых в году 1948 в Гданску и струнны инструмент најдены в году 1985 в Полотску, именујемы Полотски гусље.<ref name=Dahlig>{{cite book | author = Ewa Dahlig | title = Ludowe instrumenty skrzypcowe w Polsce | publisher = Instytut Sztuki Polskiej Akademii Nauk | place = Warszawa | date = 2001 | isbn = 83-85938-54-0}}</ref> == Източникы == {{Iztočniky}} {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q2670517}} [[Kategorija:Музикални инструменты]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2670517}} pqy9icgiampqgy7aejsgz0k50l91gfx 27181 27180 2026-06-26T08:48:35Z Мурад 97 27 /* Хисторија */ 27181 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Suka bilgorajska.jpg|thumb]] '''Сука''' або '''Сука билгорајска''' ({{Jezyky|pl|Suka biłgorajska}}) јест струнно-смычковы, хисторичны пољскы музикалны инструмент. Тутчас сут јего реконструоване версије, кторыми такоже играјут.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.songlines.co.uk/features/suka-musical-instrument-guide-with-maria-pomianowska | title = Suka. Musical Instrument Guide (with Maria Pomianowska) | first = Simon | last = Broughton}}</ref> == Хисторија == Вєројетно, же находност смычковых инструментов иде из Централној Азији. Они је были разпрострањаны по Евразији приблизно в {{-|X}} веку. В Пољскє једин вид местных гусљ је был иззначен в 1545 году.<ref name="Britannica">{{Cite web |url=https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |title=The violin family |work= |publisher=[[Britannika Ensiklopediyası]] Online |date= |accessdate=2025-03-20 |archive-date=2024-04-17 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240417114942/https://www.britannica.com/art/stringed-instrument/The-violin-family#ref95471 |url-status=live }}</ref> Сут нєколико археологичных находок смычковых инструментов в Пољскє. Вкључно гусље {{-|XI}} в. из Ополе, пет струнных инструментов {{-|XII}} в. најденых в году 1948 в Гданску и струнны инструмент најдены в году 1985 в Полотску, именујемы Полотскими гусљами.<ref name=Dahlig>{{cite book | author = Ewa Dahlig | title = Ludowe instrumenty skrzypcowe w Polsce | publisher = Instytut Sztuki Polskiej Akademii Nauk | place = Warszawa | date = 2001 | isbn = 83-85938-54-0}}</ref> == Източникы == {{Iztočniky}} {{INTERWIKI|qid=Q2670517}} [[Kategorija:Музикални инструменты]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2670517}} 0hx70fjl3gxih4qof5w1d2z0ugzugeu Koristnik:Noncinque 2 4542 27097 2026-06-25T15:37:44Z Noncinque 49 Stvorjena nova stranica s tekstom: «== noncinque == {{#babel:ru|isv-Latn-3|isv-Cyrl-3|en-2|de-1}} Dobry dènj. Jesm noncinque, MSna prěkladnica. Pišų dlja viki rědko i pomalo, čęstěje prěkladajų pěsnje i igrų. Kògda bųdų zakončiti jih, bųdų pisati i dlja vikipedije, zatože imajų cělj i ohotų pomagati råzvivati Međuslovjańsky język. Někde mene nemaje, ale kde ja jesm, že ja vsègda jesm noncinque.» 27097 wikitext text/x-wiki == noncinque == {{#babel:ru|isv-Latn-3|isv-Cyrl-3|en-2|de-1}} Dobry dènj. Jesm noncinque, MSna prěkladnica. Pišų dlja viki rědko i pomalo, čęstěje prěkladajų pěsnje i igrų. Kògda bųdų zakončiti jih, bųdų pisati i dlja vikipedije, zatože imajų cělj i ohotų pomagati råzvivati Međuslovjańsky język. Někde mene nemaje, ale kde ja jesm, že ja vsègda jesm noncinque. fs8ze0ze8kneb6cynd9qj0f0b1v369b 27101 27097 2026-06-25T15:39:39Z Noncinque 49 /* noncinque */ 27101 wikitext text/x-wiki == noncinque == {{#babel:ru|isv-Latn-3|isv-Cyrl-3|en-2|de-1}} Dobry dènj. Jesm {{-|noncinque}}, MSna prěkladnica. Pišų za viki rědko i pomalo, čęstěje prěkladajų pěsnje i igrų. Kògda bųdų zakončiti jih, bųdų pisati i za vikipedijų, zatože imajų cělj i ohotų pomagati råzvivati Međuslovjańsky język. Někde mene nemaje, ale kde ja jesm, že ja vsègda jesm {{-|noncinque}}. njvmoo77s8oe8xr25wbi4kmvzvo2f2j 27102 27101 2026-06-25T15:40:23Z Noncinque 49 27102 wikitext text/x-wiki == {{-|noncinque}} == {{#babel:ru|isv-Latn-3|isv-Cyrl-3|en-2|de-1}} Dobry dènj. Jesm {{-|noncinque}}, MSna prěkladnica. Pišų za viki rědko i pomalo, čęstěje prěkladajų pěsnje i igrų. Kògda bųdų zakončiti jih, bųdų pisati i za vikipedijų, zatože imajų cělj i ohotų pomagati råzvivati Međuslovjańsky język. Někde mene nemaje, ale kde ja jesm, že ja vsègda jesm {{-|noncinque}}. cey77tb35uxi5lciqqezlw90chgkxpw Kategorija:Isv-Latn-3 14 4543 27098 2026-06-25T15:37:44Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27098 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Interslavic (Latin script) na uravnju 3. [[Category:User_isv-Latn|3]] 67qhdvt3ufshik9hap7r1tks2rnyfa2 Kategorija:Isv-Cyrl-3 14 4544 27099 2026-06-25T15:37:44Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27099 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Interslavic (Cyrillic script) na uravnju 3. [[Category:User_isv-Cyrl|3]] 5dsu2ya90lyudld8dr8f1quszxkzg11 Kategorija:En-2 14 4545 27100 2026-06-25T15:37:44Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27100 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk English na uravnju 2. [[Category:User_en|2]] sqwqu1gmmjx357ttffkp1xlifs6p9cr Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque 3 4546 27104 2026-06-25T15:51:35Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Dobrodošli! */ nova sekcija 27104 wikitext text/x-wiki == Dobrodošli! == {{Dobrodošli}} I hvala za članky, ktore vy uže jeste napisali. Vaš medžuslovjansky jest zaisto odličny! Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 17:51, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) l4w9g44s6k5bkfqi88ptufbujq5gnk7 Kategorija:User az 14 4547 27111 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27111 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Azerbaijani. [[Category:Babilon_–_Koristniki_po_jezyku|az]] 9she3yj6j7b74ar5hw83hm9kq71ryji Kategorija:Az-N 14 4548 27112 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27112 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Azerbaijani na uravnju N. [[Category:User_az|N]] 3pqhi1k8ez0r1q4yguzx9fu6n8xvrhx Kategorija:Ru-5 14 4549 27113 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27113 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Russian na uravnju 5. [[Category:User_ru|5]] g306hzbeag2dcqmnh7efzh0g3j4opzt Kategorija:User tr 14 4550 27114 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27114 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Turkish. [[Category:Babilon_–_Koristniki_po_jezyku|tr]] lap4mx0wqc8t7n24pew5a0cltgw8z4k Kategorija:Tr-2 14 4551 27115 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27115 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Turkish na uravnju 2. [[Category:User_tr|2]] mnjnk5bxx4opfgt7cewixpv0vgk4gy8 Kategorija:User lt 14 4552 27116 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27116 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Lithuanian. [[Category:Babilon_–_Koristniki_po_jezyku|lt]] n9nhf2m94rhclreeunwh3rgb3tb0ltc Kategorija:Lt-1 14 4553 27117 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27117 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Lithuanian na uravnju 1. [[Category:User_lt|1]] 6y28rbleaok5ewsl1i6c8zegdxap5au Kategorija:User ja 14 4554 27118 2026-06-25T16:26:30Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27118 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Japanese. [[Category:Babilon_–_Koristniki_po_jezyku|ja]] qmi98sn1fpg6z4qcn01fg9ixtw8ku4v Kategorija:Ja-1 14 4555 27119 2026-06-25T16:26:31Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27119 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Japanese na uravnju 1. [[Category:User_ja|1]] 8rbv3kjolygklok6cali9dj0hnijwe2 Kategorija:Ko-0 14 4556 27120 2026-06-25T16:26:31Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27120 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Korean na uravnju 0. 2mefntsz9vq498iigqmmoumu4spa99p Kategorija:Fr-0 14 4557 27121 2026-06-25T16:26:31Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27121 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk French na uravnju 0. jb1xt6b3piq7wyuoqcb2053fenkyk47 Slovjansky kalendar 0 4558 27136 2026-06-25T19:49:35Z Vipz 118 Prěnapravjenje stranice na [[Měsec (period)#Slovjansky kalendar]] 27136 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Měsec (period)#Slovjansky kalendar]] 3iix6gcmyyxwjswsziqzoqjfr5ydr70 27137 27136 2026-06-25T19:58:36Z Vipz 118 Zasada nemajemo realnyh Wikidata linkov. Možemo poslědovateljno ovo prěbudovati botom. 27137 wikitext text/x-wiki #REDIRECT [[Měsec (period)#Slovjansky kalendar]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1287467}} ch3g6i3reveyi2lwkjhd99vrs1xkhxx Koristnik:Polda18 2 4559 27138 2026-06-25T20:02:07Z Polda18 18 Stvorjena nova stranica s tekstom: «{{#Babel:cs-N|en-2}} [[Fajl:Usti_skala.jpg|thumb|Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem]].]] Pozdrav! Moje imeno jest ''Marek Poláček'', ja jesm iz [[Čehija|Čehije]] i govorim češskym jezykom kako mojim rodnym jezykom i anglijskom jezykom na posrědnje uravnji. Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem]], grada iz sěvera [[Bohemija|Bohemije]], ale ja v dany moment živu v [[Ostrava|Ostravje]], grada iz sěvera [[Morava|Moravy]] i [[Slezk]]a. Posrědst...» 27138 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#Babel:cs-N|en-2}} [[Fajl:Usti_skala.jpg|thumb|Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem]].]] Pozdrav! Moje imeno jest ''Marek Poláček'', ja jesm iz [[Čehija|Čehije]] i govorim češskym jezykom kako mojim rodnym jezykom i anglijskom jezykom na posrědnje uravnji. Ja proizhodžu iz [[Ústí nad Labem]], grada iz sěvera [[Bohemija|Bohemije]], ale ja v dany moment živu v [[Ostrava|Ostravje]], grada iz sěvera [[Morava|Moravy]] i [[Slezk]]a. Posrědstvom medžuslovjanskogo slovnika ja hoču prěkladati članky iz češskogo jazyka do medžuslovjanskogo. Veče informacij budut postupno dopolnjenje. == Moje stranice == * [[/Pěskovišče/]] — Tut ja razvivaju članky i šablony dlja medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. == Moje koristničske šablony == * ''Prědběžno žadne'' svrohntzazx98etfmayxfsvrl3gxsnl Kategorija:Cs-N 14 4560 27139 2026-06-25T20:02:07Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27139 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Czech na uravnju N. [[Category:User_cs|N]] n9l3ullk9nb5jae22bdbfs3alz3wgth Kategorija:User sh 14 4561 27146 2026-06-25T21:19:59Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27146 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Serbo-Croatian. [[Category:Babilon_–_Koristniki_po_jezyku|sh]] rmxe392sq2nqz1gdt16yhqf6b33se61 Kategorija:Sh-N 14 4562 27147 2026-06-25T21:19:59Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27147 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk Serbo-Croatian na uravnju N. [[Category:User_sh|N]] rgeecm6caertzyhlpv60i27uh4fweq6 Kategorija:User isv 14 4563 27148 2026-06-25T21:19:59Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27148 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk medžuslovjansky. [[Category:Babilon_–_Koristniki_po_jezyku|isv]] pxdw5f4onv407natmr8x9g5urk3ja8m Kategorija:Isv-2 14 4564 27149 2026-06-25T21:19:59Z Babel AutoCreate 138 Avtomatično stvorjenje stranice dlja kategorije [[Project:Babilon|Babilon]] 27149 wikitext text/x-wiki Koristniki v tutoj kategoriji ukazyvajut, že znajut jezyk medžuslovjansky na uravnju 2. [[Category:User_isv|2]] 7o1af07x7m8w76bbx0x47hrebhqt9l9 Besěda s koristnikom:SHB2000 3 4565 27152 2026-06-26T01:59:34Z SHB2000 212 + 27152 wikitext text/x-wiki <div style="border: 1rem #dd0000 ridge; padding: 0.5em;">Hello! Please message me on [[m:User talk:SHB2000|meta.wikimedia.org]]. 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