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[[Fajl:Nuvola Interslavic flag.svg|frameless|36x36px]] &nbsp; Medžuslovjanska občina: {{Plosky spisok|* [https://discord.gg/K4RGv7xrvC Diskord-server] * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/interslavic Fejsbuk-grupa] * [https://interslavic.news/index.php Noviny] * [https://slovjani.info/ Časopis «Slovjani.info»]|class=inline}} |} </div> <!-- ---- SLUŽEBNO --> {{Alphabet}}__NOTOC____NOEDITSECTION__ [[Kategorija:Glavna stranica| ]] hsmr7j3h936njmy2sv53lk5suin7zsw 10 171 28909 824 2026-07-16T18:02:59Z ZManer 486 28909 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Flag of Interslavic.svg|right|100px|upright=0.5|link=Horugva medžuslovjanskogo jezyka|Horugva medžuslovjanskogo jezyka]] '''[[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|Medžuslovjansky]]''' jest [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky]] [[zonalny pomočny jezyk]], skonstruovany na osnově občeslovjanskyh gramatičnyh i leksičnyh elementov, ktory služi komunikaciji medžu [[Slovjani|slovjanami]] raznyh narodnostij. Dlja neslovjanov medžuslovjansky može takože polniti edukacijnu funkciju. Jezyk jest zakorenjeny i v [[Starocrkovnoslovjansky jezyk|staroslovjanskom jezyku]] i v različnyh improvizovanyh narěčjah, ktorymi ljudi v srědiščah s raznorodnym slovjanskym naseljen​jem posluživali se črěz stolětja. <div style="display:inline;">'''Čitati opis v Vikipediji:'''</div> {{Flatlist|class=inline ext-gadget-alphabet-disable|1= * [[:en:Interslavic|English]] * [[:be:Міжславянская мова|Беларуская]] * [[:be-tarask:Міжславянская мова|Беларуская (тарашкевіца)]] * [[:bg:Междуславянски език|Български]] * [[:bs:Međuslavenski jezik|Bosanski]] * [[:cs:Mezislovanština|Čeština]] * [[:csb:Midzësłowiańsczi jãzëk|Kaszëbsczi]] * [[:cu:Мєждоусловѣньскъ ѩꙁꙑкъ|Словѣньскъ]] * [[:dsb:Mjazysłowjańšćina|Dolnoserbski]] * [[:hr:Međuslavenski jezik|Hrvatski]] * [[:hsb:Mjezysłowjanšćina|Hornjoserbsce]] * [[:mk:Меѓусловенски јазик|Македонски]] * [[:pl:Język międzysłowiański|Polski]] * [[:rsk:Медзиславянски язик|Панонски руски]] * [[:ru:Межславянский язык|Русский]] * [[:rue:Меджіславяньскый язык|Русиньскый]] * [[:sh:Međuslovenski jezik|Srpskohrvatski / Српскохрватски]] * [[:sk:Medzislovančina|Slovenčina]] * [[:sl:Medslovanščina|Slovenščina]] * [[:sr:Међусловенски језик|Српски / Srpski]] * [[:szl:Mjyndzysłowjańsko godka|Ślůnski]] * [[:uk:Міжслов'янська мова|Українська]] * '''[[:d:Q148971#sitelinks-wikipedia|Ine jezyky]]''' }}<noinclude> {{Dokumentacija | tekst = Opis medžuslovjanskogo jezyka s linkami na razne zapisy o medžuslovjanskom v Vikipedijah na slovjanskyh jezykah i anglijskom. {{Glavna}} }} </noinclude> 0rbjumeldzm04ei2h73zfvgtus9u5uu 10 323 28934 28635 2026-07-16T21:51:07Z IJzeren Jan 9 28934 wikitext text/x-wiki <templatestyles src="Šablon:MFA/styles.css"/><span class="IPA ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" lang="und-Latn-fonipa">[{{{1}}}]</span><noinclude>[[Kategorija:Šablony:Jezyk]]</noinclude> i5zwlfrn28vkcjcxty5roed9067he9h 10 527 28951 2953 2026-07-17T01:08:49Z IJzeren Jan 9 28951 wikitext text/x-wiki {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable skin-invert-image" width="100%" style="text-align:center; font-family:Cambria, Calibri; font-size:115%;"> ! align="left" width="10%" | [[Р (kirilica)|Р]] ← ! align="center" width="80%" | Varianty [[Kirilica|kiriličnoj]] bukvy [[С (kirilica)|С]] ! align="right" width="10%" | → [[Т (kirilica)|Т]] |- | colspan="3" style="padding:0 3em;" | [[С (kirilica)|С с]] · [[С́|С́  с́]] · [[С̀|С̀ с̀]] · [[С̄|С̄ с̄]] · [[С̈|С̈ с̈]] · [[С̇|С̇ с̇]] · [[С̊|С̊ с̊]] · [[С̌|С̌  с̌]] · [[С’|С’ с’]] · [[С̣|С̣ с̣]] · [[С̧|С̧ с̧]] · [[Ҫ|Ҫ  ҫ]] · [[С̱|С̱ с̱]] · [[Ԍ|Ԍ ԍ]] · [[Fajl:Cyrillic capital letter long Es.svg|6px|link=Dolgo С (kirilica)]] [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter long Es.svg|6px|link=Dolgo С (kirilica)]] |}<noinclude> [[Kategorija:Šablony:Kirilica|Kirilica]] {{INTERWIKI|Q63750050}} </noinclude> 6t20wck6k4v7ij71pok81foqf1dwofl 0 559 28849 3143 2026-07-16T12:09:52Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28849 wikitext text/x-wiki {| class="wikitable" style="width:300px; text-align:left; float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; border:0; background:#f9f9f9;" |+ style="font-weight:bold; font-size:110%; text-align:center; border-bottom:0;" |Vojna ! colspan="2" style="text-align:center; border:0;" |Pěsnja |- ! style="border:0; width:35%;" |Artist | style="border:0;" |[[Kino (muzykalna grupa)|Kino]] |- ! style="border:0;" |Rok | style="border:0;" |1988 |- ! style="border:0;" |Žanr | style="border:0;" |[[Fank]], [[nova volna]], [[dens-pank]] |- ! style="border:0;" |Avtor pěsnje | style="border:0;" |[[Viktor Coj]] |- ! style="border:0;" |Video pěsnje | style="border:0;" |[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb7_Azq9pXE {{-|YouTube}}] |} '''"Vojna"''' (takože jest znana pod nazvoju '''"Medžu zemjeju i nebom"''') — jest pěsnja [[Совєтскы Сојуз|sovětskoj]] rok-grupy "Kino" iz albuma "Grupa Krvi" ({{Jezyky|ru|"Группа Крови"}}), koj pojavil se v 1988 letu. Avtor teksta i muziky — [[Viktor Coj]]. Kogdy žurnalisti pytali Coja ob tutoj pěsnjě, on govoril, že "vojna" tut jest abstraktna i ne odnosi se do konfliktov v gorečih točkah. 31 dekembra 1999 leta radiostancija "Naše radio" ({{Jezyky|ru|"Наше радио"}}) zapisalo pěsnju v spis 100 najlěpšyh pěsnej ruskogo roka za 20 stoletje po rezultatam izbora slušateljev<ref>{{Cite web|archive-date=2022-02-07|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220207121215/https://www.nashe.ru/news/luchshie-rok-pesni-xx-veka|title=Лучшие рок-песни XX века|url=https://www.nashe.ru/news/luchshie-rok-pesni-xx-veka|url-status=live}}</ref>. == Tekst pěsnji == {| class="wikitable" style="width:100%;" ! style="width:50%;" | Medžuslovjansky ! style="width:50%;" | Original na russkom |- | <poem> Pokaži mně ljudij, uvěrjenyh v zautrašnom dnju Namaljuj mně portrety pogynuvših na tutom putu Pokaži mně togo, kto prěžil jedin iz polka No někto jest dolžen (povinen) stati dverju, a někto zamkom, a někto ključom od zamka. Zemja. Nebo Medžu Zemjeju i Nebom — vojna! I kde by ty ni byl Čto by ni dělal Medžu Zemjeju i Nebom — vojna! Někde sut ljudi za ktoryh jest denj i jest noč Někde sut ljudi u ktoryh jest syn i jest doči (dočera) Někde sut ljudi za ktoryh teorema (jest) věrna No někto stane stěnoju, a někto ramenom, pod ktorym bude tresti se stena Zemja. Nebo Medžu Zemjeju i Nebom — vojna! I kde by ty ni byl Čto by ni dělal Medžu Zemjeju i Nebom — vojna! Medžu Zemjeju i Nebom — vojna! Medžu Zemjeju i Nebom — vojna! Vojna! Vojna! </poem> |<poem> Покажи мне людей, уверенных в завтрашнем дне Нарисуй мне портреты погибших на этом пути Покажи мне того, кто выжил один из полка Но кто-то должен стать дверью, а кто-то замком, а кто-то ключом от замка Земля. Небо Между Землёй и Небом — война! И где бы ты ни был Что б ты ни делал Между Землёй и Небом — война! Где-то есть люди, для которых есть день и есть ночь Где-то есть люди, у которых есть сын и есть дочь Где-то есть люди, для которых теорема верна Но кто-то станет стеной, а кто-то плечом, под которым дрогнет стена Земля. Небо Между Землёй и Небом — война! И где бы ты ни был Что б ты ни делал Между Землёй и Небом — война! Между Землёй и Небом — война! Между Землёй и Небом — война! Война! Война! </poem> |} == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * ''Tutoj članok imaje prěvod iz članka «[[:ru:Война_(песня)|Война (песня)]]» v Vikipediji na'' ''russkom jezyku ([https://ru.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B9%D0%BD%D0%B0_(%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BD%D1%8F)&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljenje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|CC BY-SA 4.0]]).'' [[Kategorija:Muzikalne tvorby]] [[Kategorija:Музикалне творбы]] 5xtvemhwtos6psiu9y3p3c3lwd1tyiy 0 561 28850 3149 2026-07-16T12:09:58Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28850 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Koristajte kirilicu|su}} [[Fajl:Soviet computer DVK-2.JPG|thumb|Дисплеј 15ИЭ-00-013 в компјутеру [[Диалоговы изчислителны комплекс (ДИК)|ДИК-2]]]] [[Fajl:Basic interpreter on the DVK computer.JPG|thumb|Базовы интерпретатор на компјутеру 15ИЕ-00-013]] '''«Електроника 15ИЕ-00-013»''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Электроника 15ИЭ-00-013}}, «Фрјазинскы дисплеј») был дигиталны терминал со вслєдными интерфејсами, кторы был разработаны в [[1980 год|1980]] року на заводу имена 50-лєтја [[СССР]] во Фрјазино. Стварјал се до 1990 роков в разных модификацијах. Прве моделы [[Диалоговы изчислителны комплекс (ДИК)|ДИК]] сут были како једноплатны изчислитељ, кторы был сјединјены к тутому терминалу. == Емулација == В једном из режимов [[Електроника МС 0511|УКНЦ]] емулирује систему инструкциј/команд 15ИЭ. Емулаторы EmuStudio, «Башкирия-2М» и MAME емулирујут процесор терминала и пушчајут јего «прошивку». == Интересне факты == * Прва версија «[[Тетрис]]а» писана је на [[Електроника-60|Електроникє-60]] с подобным дисплејем. * Симбол @ на екрану дисплеја подобны псу, что, може быти, дало јему назву у користников, кторе живут в [[Содружство Независных Држав (СНД)|СНД]] (Содружства Независных Држав).<ref>{{Cite web|title=Екрановы снимок дисплеја ДИК-2|url=http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_big.php?n=1190|url-status=live|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220724032552/http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_big.php?n=1190|archive-date=2022-07-24}}</ref> == Източникы == <references /> == Внєшње линкы == * [http://emuverse.ru/wiki/15%D0%98%D0%AD-00-013 Секција о 15ИЕ-00-013 на emuverse.ru — техничны опис, инструкција по уживанју и т.д.] — [https://web.archive.org/web/20230226153751/http://emuverse.ru/wiki/15%D0%98%D0%AD-00-013 архивована версија] * [https://forum.maxiol.com/index.php?showtopic=5118 Подробне/деталне фото-снимкы, документација, дампы ROM] — [https://web.archive.org/web/20210619162039/https://forum.maxiol.com/index.php?showtopic=5118 архивована версија] * [https://www.phantom.sannata.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6840 Тема «Терминал 15ИЕ-00-13: доки, схемы, оживление» на phantom.sannata.org] — [https://web.archive.org/web/20230226154206/https://www.phantom.sannata.org/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=6840 архивована версија] * [http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=283 Фото-снимкы ДИК-2 на leningrad.su] — [https://web.archive.org/web/20221115010530/http://www.leningrad.su/museum/show_calc.php?n=283 архивована версија] * [https://xlat.livejournal.com/692807.html Фото-снимкы Електроника 15ИЕ-00-013 («Фрјазинскы дисплеј») на livejournal.com од xlat] — [https://web.archive.org/web/20201021182120/https://xlat.livejournal.com/692807.html архивована версија] * [https://habr.com/ru/post/392687/ «Повстанјены из гаража» на habr.com], кде чловек будује компјутер и уживаје там 15ИЕ-00-013 — [https://web.archive.org/web/20191110180829/https://habr.com/ru/post/392687/ архивована версија] [[Kategorija:Kompjuterne terminaly]] cnl921l9bwng53mwlbf8w0fsfbpik3x 0 564 28851 3163 2026-07-16T12:10:04Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28851 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=23.12.2024 r.}}[[Fajl:43kmg.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Постоjка]] '''43 км''' jест желєзнична постоjка Горковского смєра [[Московска желєзница|Московскоj желєзнице]] в [[Богородскы градскы округ|Богородском градском округу]] [[Московска област|Московскоj области]]. Назва дана по разстојанју од [[Курскы вокзал|Курского вокзала]]. Включає двє платформы. Близко находи се поселок имени Воровского. Врєме движенjа од Курского вокзала - 55 минут. [[Kategorija:Московска област]] [[Kategorija:Желєзничны транспорт Росије]] gy0p2ktmvg02x2611u29s3dnzsalrkt 0 565 28852 3165 2026-07-16T12:10:10Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28852 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Mnogoznačnost}} '''А''' (U+0410) или '''A''' (U+0041) може означати: *[[А (кирилица)|А]] је прва буква [[Кирилица|кириличных азбук]]. *[[A (latinica)|A]] је прва буква [[Latinica|латинској абецеды]]. *[[Αлфа (буква)|Α]] је прва буква [[Гречскы алфабет|гречского алфабета]]. *[[A (буква старомонголского алфабета)|A]] је прва буква [[Старомонгоскы алфабет|старомонголского алфабета]]. *[[A (тибетска буква)|A]] је прва буква [[Тибетскы алфабет|тибетского алфабета]]. *[[A (кана)|A]] је знак [[Кана|каны]]. *[[А в кругу]] је типографичны симбол (Ⓐ, ⓐ). ==Система мєрјениј== *А ([[ампер]]) је јединица мєрјенја електричности. *Å ([[ангстрем]]) је јединица долгости, равна 10^-10 м.; внєсистемна јединица. *а- ([[атто-]]) је прєдрастка, означаје 10^-18. br6ump8p9foaq9u10vyooih6zsrkk0y 0 566 28853 27787 2026-07-16T12:10:16Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28853 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka programa | razrabotnik = Алексеј Надјожин, Сергеј Камнев | poslědna versija = 3.30 (декембр 1997) | stanje = Не развива се | licencija = Затворјены }} '''ANDOS''' јест дискова операцијна система за совєтске особне компјутеры [[БК (компјутер)|БК-0010]].<ref>{{Cite book|last=А. М. Надёжин|url=http://bk0010.narod.ru/docs/BK_Magazine/199301/006.htm|title=Дисковая операционная система ANDOS|year=1993}}</ref> Изпрва створјали систему Сергеј Авдјушин (автор идеје) и Алексеем Надјожиным, од имен кторых ОС добыла своју назву. Потом в разработанје пришел Сергеј Каменев. == Особливости/чрты == Послєдња версија имала слєдујуче: * Можност запушчати старе програмы за БК-0010 * Обрачанја/воззванја старых програм до магнитофона прєсмєрјали се на дисковод * Употрєбјала/уживала се фајлова система [[FAT]]12, ктора сумєстима/компатибилна с [[MS-DOS]] * За сумєстимост/компатибилност с другыми фајловыми системами за БК поддрживала/подтримывала се фајлова система [[MicroDOS]]. Објем ANDOS был од 4 Кб (без графичного интерфејса) до 16 Кб. == Източникы == <references /> == Внєшње линкы == * [http://bkcrew.narod.ru/bkimg/systems/andos330.rar Образ диска ANDOS 3.30] * [http://bk0010.narod.ru/docs/BK_Magazine/199301/011.htm Прєглед операцијных систем БК] [[Kategorija:Операцијне системы БК]] kxx6yps9z1zav068rogef3ymajlatyi 0 568 28854 27744 2026-07-16T12:10:22Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28854 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2023-05}} {{Kartka programa | ekranovy snimok = AO-DOS.png | stanje = Не развива се |nazva=AO-DOS}} '''AO-DOS''' јест дискова операцијна система за [[Совєтскы Сојуз|совєтске]] особне компјутеры [[БК (компјутер)|БК-0010 и БК-0011М]]. Користала [[Фајлова система|фајлову систему]] {{-|[[MicroDOS]]}}. Имала развиты језык командного терминала, поддржку/подтримыванје пакетных фајлов. Сдржала {{-|[[Norton Commander]]}}-подобну повлаку {{-|DOS-SHELL}}. Дозволјала створити виртуалны електроничны диск в памети компјутера. Подтримывала/поддрживала, в послєдњеј версије, до 23 дисковых апаратов. Имала оддєлне од једра системы драјвера вводженја/изводженја<ref>[http://old-dos.ru/index.php?page=files&mode=files&do=show&id=1431 AODOS (AO-DOS) na old-dos.ru ]</ref>. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Внєшње линкы == * [https://web.archive.org/web/20140714215615/http://vak.ru/pub/bk/AODOS%201.77.bkd.gz Образ диска AO-DOS 1.77] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20071004211010/http://vak.ru/pub/bk/AODOS%202.10.bkd.gz Образ диска AO-DOS 2.10] * [http://bk0010.narod.ru/docs/BK_Magazine/PKBK-1994-3.djvu Дискови операцијне системы за БК-0011М (djvu)] [https://web.archive.org/web/20210713184031/http://bk0010.narod.ru/docs/BK_Magazine/PKBK-1994-3.djvu архивована версија од 13 јулија 2021] [[Kategorija:Операцијне системы БК]] 83e80xghzhegq8ackj86qtuh0op0wv5 0 570 28855 3186 2026-07-16T12:10:28Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28855 wikitext text/x-wiki '''A''' је prva bukva [[ISO osnovny latinsky alfabet|ISO osnovnogo latinskogo alfabeta]]. [[Kategorija:Bukvy]] ms76fwkb6kqlg0c7f1of34k5xnm3bdl 0 572 28847 3204 2026-07-16T12:06:31Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28847 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | common_name = Abhazija | national_anthem = {{-|''Аиааира''}} "Poběda"<br />[[Fajl:National anthem of Abkhazia – Aiaaira (Аиааира) (orchestral vocal version).ogg]] | image_flag = Flag of Abkhazia.svg | flag_type = Zastava | image_coat = Coat of arms of Abkhazia.svg | symbol_type = Gerb | capital = [[Suhumi]] | coordinates = {{Coord|43|0|0|N|41|1|40|E|type:city}} | official_languages = [[Abhazsky jezyk|Abhazsky]]|, [[Russky jezyk|russky]] | government_type = Unitarna prezidentska republika | area_km2 = 8.664,59<ref name=EB>{{Cite encyclopedia |editor-first=Dale H. |editor-last=Hoiberg |encyclopedia=Encyclopedia Britannica |title=Abkhazia |edition=15th |year=2010 |publisher=Encyclopedia Britannica Inc. |volume=I: A-ak Bayes |location=Chicago, IL |isbn=978-1-59339-837-8 |pages=[https://archive.org/details/newencyclopaedia2009ency/page/33 33] |url=https://archive.org/details/newencyclopaedia2009ency/page/33}}</ref> | population_census = 240,705 | population_census_year = 2011 | population_estimate = 244,236<ref>{{Cite web |url=https://ugsra.org/ofitsialnaya-statistika.php?ELEMENT_ID=600 |title=Государственный комитет Республики Абхазия по статистике |website=ugsra.org |access-date=27 October 2023 |archive-date=29 March 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230329170012/https://ugsra.org/ofitsialnaya-statistika.php?ELEMENT_ID=600 }}</ref> | population_estimate_year = 2022 | currency = [[Rosijsky rublj]] | currency_code = RUB | time_zone = MSK | utc_offset = +3 }} '''Abhazija''' ({{Jezyky|ab|Аҧсны}}, {{Jezyky|ka|აფხაზეთი, Apchazeti}}) ili služebno '''Republika Abhazija''' ({{Jezyky|ab|Аҧсны Аҳәынҭқарра/Apsny Ahwyntqarra}} ili {{Jezyky|ab|Ареспублика Аҧсны}}, {{Jezyky|ka|რესპუბლიკა აფხაზეთი/Respublika Apchazeti}}) — teritorija na južnom [[Kavkaz]]u na vozhodnom pribrěžju [[Črno morje|Črnogo morja]], ktora formalno imaje status avtonomnoj republiky v skladu [[Gruzija|Gruzije]]. V 1992 separatistična vlada oglasila nezavisnost od Gruzije v 1992, čto pričinilo gruzinsko-abhazku vojnu (1992–1993), ale poka nevisnost Abhazije poznavajut samo [[Rosija]], [[Venezuela]], [[Nikaragua]], [[Nauru]] i [[Sirija]]. Abhazija imaje povrhnju 8550 km² i naseljenje 244 tys. ljudij. Poslě etničnyh čistok i deportacije gruzinov v 1993–2008 lětah največša etnična grupa naseljenja sut abhazi (> 37%), ostali sut gruzini (30%), rusi (12%) i armeni (12%). Glavny grad Abhazije jest [[Suhumi]]. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Državy v Evropě}} {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Abhazija| ]] [[Kategorija:Državy v Evropě]] hnzz5yfetrwtlekqhajbhhuv24hcpg6 0 574 28856 28293 2026-07-16T12:10:35Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28856 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:2014 Suchum, Państwowy Zespół Folkowy Pieśni i Tańca Republiki Abchazji (01).jpg | thumb | 300px | Tablica s tekstom na abhazskom jezyku: «Državny zasluženy ansambl narodnoj pěsnje i tanca Abhazije»]] '''Abhazsky alfabet''' ({{Jezyky|ab|Аԥсуа алфавит}}) jest [[alfabet]], ktory služi za pisan‌je [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskogo jezyka]]. Dnešnjego dnja, abhazsky jezyk piše se vlastnoju, dost specifičnoju versijeju [[Kirilica|kiriličnogo alfabeta]], ktora harakterizuje se odnositeljno vysokoju kolikostju dvuznakov i bukv odsutnyh v drugyh jezykah. Jednakože v tečen‌ju svojego jestvovan‌ja abhazsky prošel različne etapy, s raznymi [[Pismo|pismami]] i nejednokratnymi reformami. Množstvo tyh izměn, često s političnoju motivacijeju, nesumněno imělo neblagoprijatny vliv na funkcionovan‌je literaturnogo jezyka.<ref>{{-|Chirikba}}, str. 15.</ref> == Historija == === Prěd 19. stolětjem === Kromě někojih oddělnyh netočnyh zapisov, abhazsky jezyk byl nepisany prěd 19. stolětjem. Gramotno naseljen‌je [[Abhazija|Abhazije]] koristalo za pisan‌je druge jezyky: do 9. stolětja [[Grečsky jezyk|grečsky]], a pozdněje [[Gruzinsky jezyk|gruzinsky]], v rědkyh slučajah (glavno v 18. stolětju) takože [[Turečsky jezyk|turečsky]], ačekoli daže v periodu turečskogo vladan‌ja v Abhaziji gruzinsky dalje služil literaturnym jezykom, a turečsky jezyk ne našel zamětno razprostranjen‌je.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 27–28.</ref> Najranše znane zapisy abhazskogo jezyka byli sdělane v 17. stolětju, kogda turečsky putovatelj Evlija Čelebi ({{Jezyky|tr|Evliya Çelebi, اوليا چلبى‎}}) zapisal 40 abhazskyh slov i fraz na osmanskom variantu [[Arabsko pismo|arabskogo pisma]] v svojej monumentalnoj «Knigě putešestvij» ({{Jezyky|tr|Seyahatname}}) iz 1641 g. Tym ne menje, arabsko pismo nikogda ne prijelo se kako osnova za pisan‌je abhazskogo jezyka, v protivnosti k [[Adygejsky jezyk|adygejskomu]] i [[Abazinsky jezyk|abazinskomu]] jezykam. Pozdněje, v 18. stolětju i na početku 19. stolětja, němečsko-rosijski učeni-putovatelji Johann Gjuldenštedt, G. Rozen, Peter Pallas i Julius Klaprot takože zapisali spisy abhazskyh slov.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 34.</ref> === Period kirilice (1862–1926) === [[Fajl:Abkhaz alphabet 1862.png | thumb | 300px | Alfabet Uslara (1862)]] [[Fajl:Abkhazian alphabet in Gulia and Machavariani 1892 02.jpg | thumb | 300px | Alfabet Gulia i Mačavariani (1892)]] [[Fajl:Chochua Abkhazskaya azbuka 1909.jpg | thumb | 300px | Bukvar Čočua (1909)]] Od 1810 g. Abhazija byla okupovana [[Rosija|Rosijskoju imperijeju]] i sovsěm včlenjena jeju v 1864 g. V svezi s tym [[russky jezyk]] takože načel igrati rolju, a zajedno s njim takože [[kirilica]]. Prva izvěstna proba zapisan‌ja abhazskyh slov i fraz na kiriličnom alfabetu jest tako nazyvajemy {{Lang|ru|Словарь Абазинской}} («Abazinsky slovnik»), sostavjeny v 1827 g. russkym oficerom-dekabristom Vladimirom Pavlovičem Romanovom. Tutoj slovnik, ktory sodrživaje okolo 2 tys. slov i četyri stranic s frazami, napisane [[Russka azbuka|russkym alfabetom]], byl najdeny odnositeljno nedavno v bibliotekě v [[Tbilisi]] i prvy raz publikovany v 2014 g. Ačekoli slovnik nazyvaje se «[[Abazinsky jezyk|abazinskym]]», slova, ktore sodrživaje, sut abhazske.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://disk.yandex.ru/i/DEn2BX813MLN4p | first = А.Ч. | last = Абазов | title = Абазинской Словарь | chapter = Кавказ в исследованиях декабристов: о неизвестной рукописи «Абазинского словаря» (Словаря абхазского языка и других черкесских наречий) В.П. Романова | year = 2016 | pages = 4–5 | language = ru}}</ref> Otcem abhazskogo alfabeta jednakože uvažaje se ne Romanov, ale rosijsky general-major i kavkazověd [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotr Karlovič Uslar]] (1816–1875), ktory – pravdopodobno ne znajuči o slovniku Romanova – za svoju monografiju «Abhazsky jezyk» iz 1861–1862 lět stvoril prvy abhazsky alfabet, sostoječi iz 55 bukv.<ref name="Uslar">Uslar (1862).</ref> Na osnovu Uslar vzel kiriličny alfabet, stvorjeny finsko-rosijskym učenym Andersom Sjögrenom za [[osetinsky jezyk]], zaměnjajuči i dopolnjajuči go bukvami izmysljenymi jim samym ('''[[ҩ]]''', '''[[ꚅ]]''', '''[[ӡ]]''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tse with long left leg.svg|20x14px|link=Ц s dolgoju lěvoju nogoju]], '''[[ꚏ]]''', '''[[ꚗ]]''', '''[[ҽ]]''') ili pozajetymi iz [[Grečsky alfabet|grečskogo]] ('''[[ꚃ]]''', '''[[ꚍ]]'''), [[Latinica|latinskogo]] ('''[[һ]]''', '''[[ꚕ]]''', {{-|'''[[Ј (kirilica)|ј]]'''}}, '''[[Ԛ (kirilica)|ԛ]]'''), [[Srbska azbuka|srbskogo]] ('''{{-|[[ђ]]}}''') i [[Gruzinsko pismo|gruzinskogo]] ([[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil.svg|20x15px|link=Cil (kirilica)]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil with bar.svg|20x15px|link=Prěčrknuto cil]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Char.svg|20x15px|link=Čar (kirilica)]]) alfabetov, poněkojimi s diakritičnymi znakami – brevisom (˘), sedilju (¸) i vertikalnoju črtkoju (х̍).<ref>Čirikba (2019), str. 3.</ref><ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 40–43.</ref> Uslarova gramatika, izdana litografičnym sposobom v 1862 g., byla prva čest cěloj serije opisov bezpisemnyh [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykov Kavkaza]]. Na osnově Uslarovogo děla povstali slědujuče izdan‌ja, ktore sodrživali varianty jegovoj azbuky: * Rosijsky general Ivan Aleksejevič Bartolomej (1813–1870) publikoval v 1865 g. «Abhazsky bukvar» ({{Jezyky|ru|Абхазскій букварь}}), knigu s 188 stranicami, v ktoroj prikladne teksty sut napisane v treh jezykah: na abhazskom, russkom i gruzinskom, pri čem vse abhazske bukvy i slova sut napisane rukopisnymi bukvami, a russke i gruzinske pečatnymi.<ref>Bartolomej (1865).</ref> Bukvy v tutym izdan‌ju sut identične Uslarovym, s izključen‌jem odsutnosti treh bukv označajuče zvuky harakteristične [[Bzybsky dialekt abhazskogo jezyka|bzybskomu dialektu]] ('''[[ҫ]]''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tse with long left leg.svg|20x14px|link=Ц s dolgoju lěvoju nogoju]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil with bar.svg|20x15px]]). Mimohodom, tutoj bukvar ne dostal praktično priměnjen‌je iz pričiny onogdašnjej odsutnosti abhazskyh škol i učiteljskyh kadrov.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 48–49.</ref> * Ukrajinsky pedagog Myhajlo Romualdovyč Zavadskyj (1848–1926) publikoval v 1887 g. pečatnu versiju monografije Uslara. On izměnil někoje prvopočetne Uslarove bukvy na druge, inspirovane versijeju osetinskoj ortografije Vsevoloda Millera, argumentujuči, že te rukopisne bukvy «značno uveličajut cěnu izdan‌ja, bez vsekakoj prědnosti za děla», i že «Uslar, nakoliko nam izvěstno, ne govori o neobhodimosti shranjen‌ja prijetyh jim načrtanij, a samo izražaje želan‌je udržati čislo znakov, čto my v točnosti i jesmo izpolnili».<ref>Uslar (1887), str. VIII–IX.</ref> Takym sposobom on izměnil sedilje v bukvah {{Calibri|'''[[г̧]]''', '''[[к̧]]''', '''[[п̧]]''', '''[[т̧]]'''}} na zapete (komy) {{Calibri|('''[[г̓]]''', '''[[к̓]]''', '''[[п̓]]''', '''[[т̓]]''')}}, a gruzinske bukvy [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil.svg|20x15px|link=Cil (kirilica)]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil with bar.svg|20x15px|link=Prěčrknuto cil]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Char.svg|20x15px|link=Čar (kirilica)]] na {{Calibri|'''[[ц̓]]''', '''[[ꚑ]]''', '''[[ч̓]]'''}}, takože vvodeči bukvy {{Calibri|'''[[ꚉ]]''', '''[[џ]]''', '''[[ꚇ]]''', '''[[ꚇ̆]]''', '''[[ц̍]]'''}} zaměsto {{Calibri|'''[[ӡ]]''', '''[[ђ]]''', '''[[ҽ]]''', '''[[ҽ̆]]'''}}, [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tse with long left leg.svg|20x14px|link=Ц s dolgoju lěvoju nogoju]]. Iz vvedenyh Zavadskym bukv samo bukvy '''[[ҩ]]''', '''[[ꚁ]]''' i '''[[ꚃ]]''' byli koristane takože v pozdnějših versijah abhazskogo alfabeta, vključajuči sučasny alfabet.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 44–45.</ref> * Gruzinsky krajevid Konstantin Davidovič Mačavariani (1857–1926?) i jegov učenik Dmitrij Iosifovič Gulia (1874–1960) publikovali v 1892 g. vtory bukvar pod zaglavjem «Abhazska azbuka. Glavnějše molitvy i zapovědi na abhazskom i crkovnoslovjanskom jezykah» ({{Jezyky|ru|Абхазская азбука. Главнѣйшія молитвы и заповѣди на абхазскомъ и церковно-славянскомъ языкахъ}}).<ref name="MG">Gulia i Mačavariani (1892)</ref> Jihny alfabet jest mnogo shodny Uslarovomu i imaje 51 bukvu; odsutne sut Uslarove bukvy (prědstavjajuče bzybske glasky) '''[[ҫ]]''', '''{{Calibri|[[х̍]]}}''', [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tse with long left leg.svg|20x14px|link=Ц s dolgoju lěvoju nogoju]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil with bar.svg|20x15px|link=Prěčrknuto cil]]. Gruzinske bukvy [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil.svg|20x15px|link=Cil (kirilica)]] i [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Char.svg|20x15px|link=Čar (kirilica)]] zaměnili na {{Calibri|'''[[ҵ]]''' i '''[[ꚓ]]'''}}, vzete iz Sjögrenovogo alfabeta, a '''{{-|[[ђ]]}}''' na '''[[џ]]''', vzeto iz alfabeta Zavadskogo.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 52.</ref> Kromě togo, rukopisne formy Uslarovyh bukv s sediljami {{Calibri|'''[[г̧]]''', '''[[к̧]]''', '''[[п̧]]''', '''[[т̧]]'''}} izgledajut identično, ale v pečatnoj formě imajut haky: '''[[ҕ]]''', '''[[ӄ]]''', '''[[ҧ]]''', '''[[ꚋ]]'''. * V 1906 g. byl izdany slědujuči bukvar, bez ukazanogo avtora. Prve 25 stranic sut sovsěm identične bukvaru Mačavariani i Gulia, ale dalje sodrživaje proste teksty do nauky zaměsto religioznyh tekstov.<ref>''Абхазская азбука'' (1906).</ref> * Abhazsky pedagog i pozdnějši prezident Abhazskoj ASSR Andrej Maksimovič Čočua (1879–1965) publikoval četvrty i najuspěšnějši bukvar v 1909 g. Vtoro, dopolnjeno izdan‌je nastupilo v 1914 g., a tretje v 1924 g., s dopolnjen‌jem v 1925 g.; pozdnějše izdan‌ja uže koristali latinsky alfabet.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://apsnyteka.org/1647-chochua_a_bukvar_1909-1931_abh.html | title = А. М. Ҷоҷуа / А. М. Чочуа. Аԥсуа Анбан / Абхазская азбука (букварь) | website = Apsnyteka.org | access-date = 2025-12-07}}</ref> Jegov kiriličny alfabet odličal se od alfabeta Gulia i Mačavariani tym, že Čočua odstranil bukvy {{Calibri|'''[[ꚅ̆]]'''}} i {{-|'''[[Ј (kirilica)|ј]]'''}}, a dodal bukvy s brevisom ({{Calibri|'''[[г̆]]''', '''[[ҕ̆]]''', '''[[ӂ]]''', '''[[џ̆]]''', '''[[к̆]]''', '''[[ӄ̆]]''', '''[[ԛ̆]]''', '''[[х̆]]'''}}) za označen‌je smekčen‌ja, kde Uslar i drugi ješče pisali {{-|'''гј'''}} i t.d.<ref>Čočua (1909).</ref> * Od konca 19. stolětja v Suhumi funkcionoval tako nazyvajemy Abhazsky prěvoditeljsky komitet, ktory zajmal se prěvodžen‌jem Biblije i drugoj religioznoj literatury na abhazsky, posluživajuči se modifikovanym variantom Uslarovogo alfabeta, identičnym alfabetu Čočua, ale ješče sodrživajuči bukvu {{Calibri|'''[[ꚅ̆]]'''}}.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 53.</ref> * V 1906 g. abhazsky historik i aktivist Semjon Mihajlovič Ašhacava (1886–1943) iztvoril alfabet sostoječi iz 77 bukv i prědstavjajuči vse fonemy bzybskogo dialekta.<ref name="Ašhacava">Bgažba (1964), str. 16–17.</ref><ref>{{Cite web | url = http://apsnyteka.org/4211-Ashkhatsava_Izbrannye_trudy_2021.html | title = С. М. Ашхацава. Избранные труды | website = Apsnyteka.org | access-date = 2025-12-08 | language = ru}}</ref> Ašhacava byl rukovoditelj bzybskogo komiteta Družstva razprostranjen‌ja prosvěty srěd Abhazov, ktory v 1913–1914 lětah prislal Nikolaju Marru okolo 100 abhazskyh skazok napisanyh na tom alfabetu, ale kromě togo nikogda ne došlo k praktičnomu priměnjen‌ju.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 56.</ref> Čto se tyče form, tutoj alfabet odličaje se od alfabetu Prěvoditeljskogo komiteta tym, že koristaje nižnje črtky zaměsto hakov ('''[[ӷ]]''', '''[[қ]]''', '''[[ԥ]]''', '''[[ҭ]]'''), i bukvy '''[[ц́]]''' i '''[[ч́]]''' zaměsto '''[[ҵ]]''' i '''[[ꚓ]]'''. Kromě togo, on sodrživaje dodatočne samoglasky {{Calibri|'''[[ӑ]]''', '''[[і̆]]''', '''[[ў]]''', '''[[ӳ]]''', '''[[а̄]]''' i '''[[о̄]]'''}}, a takože pozajetu od grečskogo alfabeta bukvu '''[[χ]]'''. Nakonec, palatalizacija jest označena točkoju zaměsto brevisom (napr. {{Calibri|'''[[г̇]]''', '''[[ӷ̇]]''', '''[[џ̇]]'''}}, ...), a labializacija prstenjem (napr. {{Calibri|'''[[ꚅ̊]]''', '''[[з̊]]''', '''[[к̊]]'''}}, ...).<ref>Marr (1938), str. 158–163.</ref> <gallery mode=packed heights=180px caption="«Otci-založitelji» abhazskogo alfabeta"> Uslar-engraving-with-caption.jpg | [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotr Karlovič Uslar]]<br />(1816–1875) Bartolomey_Ivan_Alexeyevich.jpg | Ivan Aleksejevič Bartolomej<br />(1813–1870) Завадский М. Р (cropped).jpg | Myhajlo Romualdovyč Zavadskyj<br />(1848–1926) Stamp of Abkhazia - 2003 - Colnect 1007799 - Konstantin Machavariani 1853-1927.jpeg | Konstantin Davidovič Mačavariani<br />(1857–1926?) Abkhazia 10 apsar Ag 2009 Gulia b.jpg | Dmitrij Iosifovič Gulia<br />(1874–1960) Marr.jpg | Nikolaj Jakovlevič Marr<br />(1864/1865<ref name="kalendar" />–1934) </gallery> === Period latinice (1926–1938) === [[Fajl:Marr - Abkhaz Analytic Alphabet - 1926 - page 51 table 2.jpg | 300px | thumb | right | «Analitičny alfabet» Marra (1926–1928)]] [[Fajl:Abkhaz latin alphabet from 1930 ABC book.png | 300px | thumb | right | Latinsky alfabet Jakovleva, iz bukvara 1930 g.]] V 1920-yh i 1930-yh lětah v [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskom sojuzu]] byla vedena kampanija za latinizaciju vsih govorjenyh v njim jezykov. Tuta politika iměla razne cělje: borbu s analfabetizmom posrědstvom uproščen‌ogo pisma, razlom s carističnoju minulostju i razprostranjen‌je socializma srěd menših narodov SSSR i po vsem světu, a specifičněje: izolovan‌je muslimanskyh narodov SSSR od arabsko-islamskoj česti světa. Vslěd tutoj kampanije ok. 70 jezykov prěključili se na pravopis osnovany na latinskom alfabetu. V slučaju abhazskogo jezyka prvy proba za stvorjen‌je latinskogo alfabeta byla prědprijeta uže v 1919 g., kogda pedagog Mustafa Butba v Istanbulu publikoval abhazsky bukvar na latinskoj osnově.<ref>{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Butba_Mustafa_.pdf | first = Mustafa | last = Butba | title = Abhazsky bukvar | format = PDF | place = Istanbul | year = 1919}}</ref> Jegov alfabet iměl slědujuče bukvy: '''{{Calibri|a, e, ı, i, o, u, ᴇ, b, p, t, c, ç, h, x, x̂, d, z, r, j, ӡ, s, ŝ, g, ĝ, f, k, q, q̂ , l, m, n, v, y}}'''. Jednakože tutoj alfabet ne našel priměnjen‌je v praktikě.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 56–57.</ref> V ramkah povyšej kampanije v 1926 g.<ref>Čikirba domněvaje, že praktično vveden‌je latinici v Abhaziji moglo by odbyti se v 1927 g. Čikirba (2023), str. 11.</ref> byl prijety v Abhazskoj ASSR drugy latinsky alfabet, tako nazyvajemy «abhazsky analističny alfabet» ili «jafetičny alfabet», osnovany na naučnyh izdan‌jah. Avtorom tutogo projekta byl jezykoznavec i kavkazověd Nikolaj Marr (1864/1865<ref name="kalendar">Prvy god suglasno [[Juliansky kalendar|julianskomu kalendaru]] (stary stilj), vtory suglasno [[Gregoriansky kalendar|gregorianskomu kalendaru]] (novy stilj).</ref>–1934). Marrov alfabet, razrabotany jim v 1917 g. i prědznačeny za izobražen‌je vsih abhazskyh fonem, prvopočetno iměl 76 bukv, vključajuči 8 bukv za bzybsky dialekt i 1 bukvu za druge narěčja, i harakterizoval se mnogymi diakritičnymi znakami, često na dvoh plastah. Poněkoje bukvy byli pozajete od kiriličnogo i gruzinskogo alfabetov.<ref name="Alfabet_Marra">Marr (1938), str. 152.</ref> Od samogo početka tutoj alfabet, ktory v istinnosti byl «ničto veče neželi naučna fonetična transkripcija, složena i neizgodna daže lingvistam»<ref>Čirikba (2023), str. 7.</ref>, byl ostro kritikovany i od početka byli diskusije o reformě. Ačekoli on, v uproščenoj formě s 62 bukvami, byl vvedeny v školah i byli na njim izdane knigy, jegov nadobyčajna složenost i nepraktičnost pričinila, že v 1928 g. byl prijety drugy latinsky alfabet, čestično takože v svezi s procesom unifikacije alfabetov narodov SSSR.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 58.</ref> V 1928 vtory plenum Vsesojuznogo centralnogo komiteta novogo turkijskogo alfabeta (VCK NTA) rěšil, že trěba ujediniti alfabety kavkazskyh narodov, po čem byl razrabotany novy latinsky alfabet za abhazsky jezyk, sbliženy [[Adygejsky jezyk|adygejskomu]] i [[Abazinsky jezyk|abazinskomu]] alfabetam. Tutoj «unifikovany alfabet» jest često pripisany profesoru Nikolaju Feofanoviču Jakovlevu (1892–1974), ktory takože byl avtor latinskyh alfabetov za několiko drugyh [[Sěvernokavkazske jezyky|sěvernokavkazskyh alfabetov]]. Jednakože abhazsky jezykoznavec Vjačeslav Čikirba domněvaje, že istinnymi avtorami byli abhazski pisatelji Mušni Lavrentijevič Hašba (1903–1992) i Samson Jakovlevič Čanba (1886–1937), pravdopodobno na osnově zapisok ili daže skice slavnogo jezykoznavca Jevgenija Dmitrijeviča Polivanova (1881–1938).<ref>Čirikba (2023), str. 16–20.</ref> Vo vsakom slučaju, unifikovany alfabet byl oficialno vvedeny v školnu praktiku v 1929 g. i ostal v upotrěbě do 1938 g. Tutoj alfabet zaisto okazal se udobnějšim od Marrovogo alfabeta: on iměl 51 znak, čestično blagodareči bukvě '''{{-|ı}}''' za označen‌je palatalizacije i bukvě '''{{-|u}}''' za označen‌je labializacije. Dalše uproščen‌je bylo realizovano izključen‌jem velikyh bukv v 1933 g. Tym ne menje, i tutoj alfabet byl prěmnogo nesručny za pisan‌je na pišučej mašině ili pečatan‌je linotipom. Kromě togo, latinske alfabety menših narodov Sovětskogo sojuza pričinili ješče jedin problem: zatože [[russky jezyk]] (zajedno s [[Ukrajinsky jezyk|ukrajinskym]] i [[Bělorussky jezyk|bělorusskym]]) byl izključeny [[Iosif Stalin|Iosifom Stalinom]] iz procesa latinizacije v 1930 g., latinsky alfabet nenaměrno izoloval te narody od russkogo pisanogo jezyka i russkoj kultury. Slědovateljno on načel protivrěčiti princip sbližen‌ja narodov.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 58–59.</ref> V svezi s tym v 1936 g. byl započety proces kirilizacije v Sovětskom sojuzu. === Period gruzinskogo alfabeta (1938–1954) === [[Fajl:Abkhaz alphabet (1938-1953).JPG| 300px | thumb | Abhazsky alfabet na gruzinskoj osnově]] [[Fajl:Georgian and Cyrillic scripts of the Abkhazian Alphabet.svg | 300px | thumb | Sravnjen‌je]] Gruzinsky byl jedin iz rědkyh prikladov jezykov v Sovětskom sojuzu, ktore ne byli podvrgnute ni latinizaciji v 1920-yh lětah, ni kirilizaciji v 1930-yh i 1940-yh. Vslěd novoj sovětskoj konstitucije iz 1936 g. Zakavkazska sovětska federativna socialistična republika (ZSFSR) byla razvedena i Gruzija stala samostojna republika v ramkah Sovětskogo sojuza. Zatože Abhazska ASSR i [[Južna Osetija|Južnoosetinska avtonomna oblast]] nahodili se na teritoriji [[Gruzija|Gruzinskoj SSR]], one nahodili se v podobnom položen‌ju v odnošen‌ju k Gruziji, kako Gruzija v odnošen‌ju k Sovětskomu sojuzu.<ref>{{-|Jones}} (2013).</ref> Po prikazu iz Tbilisi oba jezyky – abhazsky i osetinsky – iměli prěključiti se na gruzinsko pismo, ačekoli v [[Sěverna Osetija|Sěvernoosetinskoj ASSR]], ktora nahodila se v [[Rosijska sovětska federativna socialistična republika|RSFSR]] jednočasno byla vvedena kirilica. Politika gruzinizacije Abhazije prodolžala se v 1940-yh lětah i privedla k likvidaciji cěloj sistemy obrazovan‌ja na abhazskom jezyku.<ref>Čirikba (2019), str. 4.</ref> Rěšen‌je o vveden‌ju novogo abhazskogo alfabeta na gruzinskoj osnově bylo prijeto v 1937 g. podčas abhazskoj oblastnoj konferencije [[Komunistična partija Sovětskogo sojuza|KP(b)]] Gruzije. V dekembru togože goda na sobran‌ju v Abhazskom naučno-izslědovateljskom institutu dva osnovne projekty abhazskogo alfabeta byli prědstavjene i razsmotrjene. Avtori prvogo projekta – Dmitrij Gulia, Simon Džanašia i Akakij Šanidze – izhodili iz principa izobražen‌ja specifičnyh abhazskyh zvukov s pomočju služebnyh znakov. Avtori drugogo projekta – Mušni Hašba i Andrej Čočua – prědlagali upotrěbjen‌je specialnoj bukvy za vsaky zvuk. Na koncu prijety byl prvy projekt. Naposlěd novy abhazsky alfabet iměl 36 polnocěnnyh bukv – vse 33 iz gruzinska alfabeta ('''ა''', '''ბ''', '''გ''', '''დ''', '''ე''', '''ვ''', '''ზ''', '''თ''', '''ი''', '''კ''', '''ლ''', '''მ''', '''ნ''', '''ო''', '''პ''', '''ჟ''', '''რ''', '''ს''', '''ტ''', '''უ''', '''ფ''', '''ქ''', '''ღ''', '''ყ''', '''შ''', '''ჩ''', '''ც''', '''ძ''', '''წ''', '''ჭ''', '''ხ''', '''ჯ''', '''ჰ''') plus tri dodatočne bukvy '''ჶ''', '''ჷ''', '''ჳ''' – i tri dopolniteljne znaky: '''ჲ''' za označen‌je palatalizacije, '''ჾ''' za označen‌je tvrdosti, a '''ჿ''' za označen‌je labializacije.<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 60.</ref> === Sučasnost === Jedin god poslě smrti Stalina abhazske školy byli odkryte ponovno i Abhazsky jezyk mogl vrnuti se do kirilice. Takto v 1954 g. byl ponovno vvedeny kiriličny alfabet, razrabotany i prijety specialnoju komisijeju v Suhumi. Tutoj alfabet sostojal iz 40 osnovnyh bukv – drastično menša kolikost neželi raněje – i 18 dvuznakov. Največša razlika s prědhodnymi kiriličnymi alfabetami, osoblivo alfabetom Prěvoditeljskoj komisije, bylo vveden‌je mekkogo znaka '''[[ь]]''' za označen‌je palatalizacije (zaměsto takyh bukv kako {{Calibri|'''[[г̆]]''', '''[[к̆]]''', '''[[ԛ̆]]'''}} i t.d.) i znaka '''[[ә]]''' za označen‌je několikyh labializovanyh suglasok (zaměsto '''[[ꚁ]]''', '''[[ꚅ]]''', '''[[ꚗ]]''' i t.d.). Jednakože labializacija šesti velarnyh i uvularnyh zvukov dalje označala se s pomočju bukvy '''{{-|у}}'''. Kromě togo někoje stare bukvy byli zaměnjene na nove, napr. '''[[І (kirilica)|і]]''' → '''[[и]]''', '''[[ӄ]]''' → '''[[қ]]''', '''[[Ԛ (kirilica)|ԛ]]''' → '''[[ҟ]]''', '''[[һ]]''' → '''[[ҳ]]''' i '''[[ѵ]]''' → '''[[ы]]'''. Někoje nedoslědnosti v pravopisu byli eliminovane v ortografičnoj reformě 1996 g. Labializovane suglasky {{-|'''гу''', '''ҕу''', '''ку''', '''қу''', '''ҟу''', '''ху'''}} byli zaměnjene na dvuznaky s bukvoju '''ә''' i takože dostali oddělno město v alfabetu.<ref>Čirikba (2019), str. 5.</ref> Jednočasno bukvy '''[[ҕ]]''' i '''[[ҧ]]''', označajuče pridyhan‌je zaměnili se na '''[[ӷ]]''' i '''[[ԥ]]'''.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2008/08144r-n3435r-abkhaz.pdf | first1 = Michael | last1 = Everson | first2 = Lorna | last2 = Priest | title = Proposal to encode two Cyrillic characters for Abkhaz | date = 2008-05-10 | website = Unicode.org | access-date = 2025-12-09 | language = en}}</ref>. Nyněšnji abhazsky alfabet izgledaje tako: {| class="wikitable" | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[А (kirilica)|A а]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|a}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Б|Б б]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|b}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[В (kirilica)|В в]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|v}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Г|Г г]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɡ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Гь гь'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɡʲ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Гә гә'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɡʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ӷ|Ӷ ӷ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʁ/ɣ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ӷь ӷь'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʁʲ/ɣʲ}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ӷә ӷә'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʁʷ/ɣʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Д|Д д]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|d}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Дә дә'''}} <br> {{MFA|dʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Е (kirilica)|Е е]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|a/ja}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ж|Ж ж]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʐ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Жь жь'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʒ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Жә жә'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʒʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[З|З з]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|z}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ӡ|Ӡ ӡ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|d͡z}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ӡә ӡә'''}} <br> {{MFA|d͡ʑʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[И|И и]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|j/jɨ/ɨj}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[К (kirilica)|К к]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|kʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Кь кь'''}} <br> {{MFA|kʼʲ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Кә кә'''}} <br> {{MFA|kʼʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Қ|Қ қ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|kʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Қь қь'''}} <br> {{MFA|kʲʰ}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Қә қә'''}} <br> {{MFA|kʷʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҟ|Ҟ ҟ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|qʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ҟь ҟь'''}} <br> {{MFA|qʼʲ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ҟә ҟә'''}} <br> {{MFA|qʼʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Л|Л л]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|l}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[М (kirilica)|М м]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|m}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Н (kirilica)|Н н]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|n}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[О (kirilica)|О о]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|a/wa}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[П|П п]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|pʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ԥ|Ԥ ԥ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|pʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Р (kirilica)|Р р]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|r}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[С (kirilica)|С с]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|s}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Т (kirilica)|Т т]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|tʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Тә тә'''}} <br> {{MFA|tʼʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҭ|Ҭ ҭ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|tʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ҭә ҭә'''}} <br> {{MFA|tʷʰ}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[У (kirilica)|У у]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|w/wɨ/ɨw}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ф|Ф ф]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|f}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Х (kirilica)|Х х]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|x/χ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Хь хь'''}} <br> {{MFA|xʲ/χʲ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Хә хә'''}} <br> {{MFA|xʷ/χʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҳ|Ҳ ҳ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ħ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ҳә ҳә'''}} <br> {{MFA|ħʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ц|Ц ц]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡sʰ}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Цә цә'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ɕʷʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҵ|Ҵ ҵ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡sʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Ҵә ҵә'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ɕʼʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ч|Ч ч]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ʃʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҷ|Ҷ ҷ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ʃʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҽ|Ҽ ҽ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ʂʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҿ|Ҿ ҿ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ʂʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ш|Ш ш]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʂ}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Шь шь'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʃ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Шә шә'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʃʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ы|Ы ы]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɨ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҩ|Ҩ ҩ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɥ/ɥˤ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Џ|Џ џ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|d͡ʐ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Џь џь'''}} <br> {{MFA|d͡ʒ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ь|Ь ь]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʲ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ә|Ә ә]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʷ}} |} === Sučasne proby latinizacije === V 1990-yh lětah byli prědložene několiko projektov za ponovno vveden‌je latinskogo alfabeta za abhazsky jezyk. Abazinsky poet Mikael Čikatu-Čkotua opovědaje v intervju o stvorjenom jim latinskom alfabetu, koristanom v prvom numery gazety, ktory izšel v 1991 g.<ref>{{Cite news | first = В. | last = Шакрыл | title = Абхазы и абазины всех стран, объединяйтесь! | newspaper = Абаза | year = 1995 | issue = 1| pages = 60}}</ref> V 1995 g. byl publikovany «universalny abhazo-abazinsky alfabet» Garri Kandžaria, sostoječi iz samyh 26 osnovnyh bukv latinskogo alfabeta.<ref>{{Cite journal | first = Гарри | last = Канджариа | title = Универсальный абхазо-абазинский алфавит | journal = Абаза. Журнал Международной абхазо-абазинской ассоциации | issue = № 1 | year = 1995 | language = ru | pages = 70–71}}</ref> {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! а !! б !! ц !! ҵә !! ҵ !! цә !! ч !! ҷ !! д !! дә !! џ !! џь !! з !! зә !! е !! ф !! г !! гь !! гә !! ӷ !! ӷь !! ӷә !! ҳ !! ҳә !! й !! жь !! к !! кь !! кә !! қ !! қь |- | a || b || c || cf || cs || cv || ch || cj || d || db || ds || dj || dz || dv || e || f || g || gi || gw || gh || gj || gv || h || hv || i || j || k || ki || kv || kh || kj |} {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! қә || л !! м !! н !! о !! п !! ԥ !! ҟ !! ҟь !! ҟә !! р !! с !! ш !! шь !! шә !! ҭ !! т !! тә !! ҭә !! ҽ !! ҿ !! ы !! в !! (уы) !! х !! хь !! хә !! ҩ !! з !! ж !! жә |- | kw || l || m || n || o || p || ph || q || qi || qw || r || s || sh || sj || sf || t || th || tv || tp || tc || ts || u || v || w || x || xi || xw || y || z || zj<ref>V originalu jest napisano ''{{-|jz}}'', čto jest izrazna pogrěška.</ref> || zv |} Avtor takože dvuznaky za zvuky bzybskogo dialekta i abazinskogo jezyka: {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! гӀ !! гӀв !! ль !! тл !! ф !! 'х !! св !! с !! з' !! зв !! з' !! ц' !! хъв !! жъ |- | gq || qv || lj || tl || pf || qx || sv || sw || zf || zw || zj || cj || xf || xh |} V 2019 abhazsky jezykoznavec i byvši ministr vněšnjih děl Abhazije Vjačeslav Andrejevič Čirikba prědstavil projekt občego alfabeta na latinskoj osnově za abhazsky i abazinskogo jezykov. Jednym iz cěljev jest odstranjen‌je razlik v izobražen‌ju jednyh i tyhže samyh zvukov, iz pričiny ktoryh teksty na blizko srodnom abazinskom jezyku sut praktično nesrazuměle za abhazov, i naopak; ale napisane na jednom pravopisu, srodne slova v oboh jezykah sut legko razpoznajeme. S obzirom na značnu abhazsku i abazinsku diasporu v Turciji, tutoj alfabet jest osnovany na [[Turečsky jezyk|turečskom]] alfabetu, s izključen‌jem bukv '''{{-|w}}''', '''{{-|q}}''', '''{{-|x}}''' (na standardnoj latinskoj klaviaturě) i '''{{-|â}}''' (v starějših variantah turečskogo alfabeta):<ref name="Alfabet_Čirikby">Čirikba (2019), str. 13–17.</ref> {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" |- valign="top" ! а !! гӀ !! аа !! б !! в !! г !! гь !! гә<br />гв !! ӷ<br />гъ !! ӷь<br />гъь !! ӷә<br />гъв !! д !! дә !! е !! ж !! жь !! жә<br />жв !! з !! и !! и<br />й !! қ<br />к !! қь<br />кь !! қә<br />кв !! к<br />кI !! кь<br />кIь !! кә<br />кIв !! л !! ль !! м !! н !! о !! ԥ<br />п !! п<br />пI !! ҟ<br />къ !! ҟь<br />къь |- | a || â || aa || b || v || g || gi/-gï || gw || ğ || ği/-ğï || ğw || d || dw || e || j’ || j || jw || z || i || y || k || ki/-kï || kw || k’ || k’i/-k’ï || k’w || l || l’ || m || n || o || p || p’ || q || qi/-qï |} {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" |- valign="top" ! ҟә<br />къв !! ъ !! р !! с !! ҭ<br />т !! ҭә !! т<br />тI !! тә !! у !! ф !! х !! хь !! хә<br />хв !! хъ !! хъв !! ҳ<br />хI !! ҳә<br />хIв !! ц !! цә !! ҵ<br />цI !! ҵә !! ҽ<br />тш !! ҿ<br />шI !! ч !! ҷ<br />чI !! ш !! шь<br />щ !! шә<br />шв !! ы !! ҩ<br />гIв !! ӡ<br />дз !! ӡә<br />джв !! џ<br />дж !! џь<br />джь |- | qw || ’ || r || s || t || tw || t’ || t’w || u || f || x || xi/-xï || xw || x’ || x’w || h || hw || ts || çw || ts’ || ç’w || tş || tş’ || ç || ç’ || ş’ || ş || şw || ı || ü || dz || сw || c’ || c |} Něčto podobny tutomu alfabetu projekt prědložil v 1999 g. anglijsky lingvist {{-|George Hewitt}}, argumentujuči, že kirilica «ne jest prigodna za prědstavjenje jezykov imajučih bolje požedajuče fonetične sistemy neželi russky», i že turečsky latinsky alfabet jest dobra alternativa, ibo večinstvo etničnyh Abhazov žive v Turciji.<ref name="Hewitt 2010">{{-|Hewitt (2010), str. 23–24.}}</ref> V samoj Turciji takože byli prědprijete proby stvorjen‌ja abhazskogo alfabeta osnovanogo na latinici.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.fuadiye.com/Anban.html |title = Abhaz alfabesi / Apsua anban | date = 2004 | publisher=Fuadiye (Khuzğum) köyü | access-date = 2025-12-09 | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20141026193642/http://www.fuadiye.com/Anban.html | archive-date = 2014-10-26}}</ref> == Sravniteljna tabela abhazskyh alfabetov == V tabеlě niže sut sravnjene so soboju slědujuče varianty abhazskogo alfabeta: {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Sučasny kiriličny alfabet, v versijah iz 1996 (revizija) i 1954 (prvopočetna versija)}} {{Legenda|#f4f4f4|Fonetična transkripcija s pomočju [[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|MFA]]<ref>{{-|Hewitt}}, str. 260–263.</ref>}} {{Legenda|#f4f4f4|Naučna transkripcija Huhuta Bgažba<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 65–70.</ref>}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Kiriličny alfabet Pjotra Uslara, približen‌je do rukopisnoj versije (1862)<ref name="Uslar" />}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Kiriličny alfabet Pjotra Uslara v pečatnoj redakciji Myhajla Zavadskogo (1887)<ref>Uslar (1887), str. IX, 7–14.</ref>}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Kiriličny alfabet Konstantina Mačavariani i Dmytrija Gulia (1892)<ref name="MG" />}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Kiriličny alfabet Prěvoditeljskogo komiteta (konec 19. stolětja)<ref>Bgažba (1967), str. 65–70.</ref>}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Kiriličny alfabet S.M. Ašhacava za bzybsky dialekt (1906), v zatvorkah revizija avtora (1916)<ref name="Ašhacava" />}} {{Legenda|#ffffc0|Analitičny alfabet Nikolaja Marra (1926)<ref name="Alfabet_Marra" />}} {{Legenda|#ffffc0|Unifikovany latinsky alfabet (1928)}} {{Legenda|#ffddf4|Abhazsky alfabet na gruzinskoj osnově (1938)}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Prědloženy {{-|G. Hewitt}}’om latinsky alfabet na osnově turečskogo alfabeta (1999)<ref name="Hewitt 2010" />}} {{Legenda|#e0ffe0|Prědloženy V.A. Čirikboju latinsky alfabet, takože na osnově turečskogo alfabeta (2019)<ref name="Alfabet_Čirikby" />}} Kromě togo, v tabelě sut takože slědujuče kolory: {{Legenda|#c0c0c0|Dvuznaky ne vhodeče v sustav oficialnogo alfabeta. Sěre polja v lěvoj koloně (abhazsky alfabet po reformě 1996 g.) sut zvuky odsutne v literaturnom standardu osnovanom na abžujskom dialektu, ale jestvujut vo [[Bzybsky dialekt abhazskogo jezyka|bzybskom dialektu]].<ref>Čirikba (2022), str. 21.</ref>}} {{Legenda|#ffffff|Zvuk odsutny v alfabetu}} {{Sticky header}} {| class="sticky-header ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" cellspacing="0" border="2" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family:Calibri, Arial Unicode MS, Lucida Grande, Doulos SIL, Code2000, Gentium, Gentium Alternative, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Lucida Sans Unicode, MS Mincho, Arial, Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro, Cyberbit, Bitstream Vera; font-size:120%; text-align:center; background:white;" bordercolor="#000000" ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" colspan="2" | Sučasny alfabet<br />1996 | 1954 ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Izgovor ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Bgažba ! style="padding:0 1em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Uslar ! style="padding:0 0.3em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Zavadskyj ! style="padding:0 0.2em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Mač./Gulia ! style="padding:0 0.3em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Prěv. kom. ! style="padding:0 0.3em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Ašhacava ! style="padding:0 1.2em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Marr ! style="padding:0 0.3em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Unif. alf. ! style="padding:0 0.3em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Gruzinsky ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Hewitt ! style="padding:0 0.4em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Čirikba |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[А (kirilica)|А а]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [a] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | a | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[А (kirilica)|а]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | a | style="background:#ffddf4" | ა | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | a |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Б|Б б]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [b] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | b | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[б]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | b | style="background:#ffddf4" | ბ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | b |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[В (kirilica)|В в]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [v] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | v | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[В (kirilica)|в]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | v | style="background:#ffddf4" | ვ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | v |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Г|Г г]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [g] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | g | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[г]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | g | style="background:#ffddf4" | გ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | g |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Гь гь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [gʲ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | g ҄ | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="3" | гj | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[г̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[г̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | gˌ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | gı | style="background:#ffddf4" | გჲ | style="background:#ffffc0" | gi || style="background:#ffffc0" | gi/-gï |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Гә гә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Гу гу | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [gʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | g° | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="4" | гу || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[г̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | g˚ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | gu | style="background:#c0c0c0" | გუ | style="background:#ffffc0" | gu || style="background:#ffffc0" | gw |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ӷ|Ӷ ӷ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҕ|Ҕ ҕ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɣ] ~ [ʁ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ɣ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[г̧]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[г̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ҕ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӷ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ǧ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ƣ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ღ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ğ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ӷь ӷь || style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҕь ҕь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɣʲ] ~ [ʁʲ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ɣ ҄ | style="background:#c0c0c0" | г̧ј || style="background:#c0c0c0" | г̓j || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ҕј || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҕ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӷ̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ǧˌ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ƣı | style="background:#ffddf4" | ღჲ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ği || style="background:#ffffc0" | ği/-ğï |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ӷә ӷә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Ҕу ҕу | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɣʷ] ~ [ʁʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ɣ° | style="background:#c0c0c0" | г̧у || style="background:#c0c0c0" | г̓у || style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="2" | ҕу || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӷ̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ǧ˚ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ƣu | style="background:#c0c0c0" | ღუ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ğu || style="background:#ffffc0" | ğw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Д|Д д]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [d] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | d | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[д]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | d | style="background:#ffddf4" | დ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | d |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Дә дә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [dʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | d° | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚁ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[д̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ꚁ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[д̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | d˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | đ | style="background:#ffddf4" | დჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | du || style="background:#ffffc0" | dw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Е (kirilica)|Е е]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɛ] ~ [e] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | e | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[Е (kirilica)|е]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | e | style="background:#ffddf4" | ე | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | e |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ж|Ж ж]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʐ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ž^ჾ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[ж]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ȷ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ƶ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჟჾ | style="background:#ffffc0" | j̄ || style="background:#ffffc0" | j’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Жь жь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʒ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ž | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="3" | жj || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӂ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ж̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ȷˌ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter reversed Ghe with long leg.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჟ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | j |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Жә жә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʒʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ž° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | ꚅ || style="background:#ddffdd" | ꚅ ([[ж̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ȷ˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | j | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჟჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ju || style="background:#ffffc0" | jw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[З|З з]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [z] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | z | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[з]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | z | style="background:#ffddf4" | ზ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | z |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#c0c0c0" | Зь зь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʑ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | z’ | style="background:white" colspan="4" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[з̊]] ([[з̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ⱬ | | | colspan="2" | |- ! style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="2" | Зә зә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʑʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | z° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚅ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ж̊]] ([[ж̊]] ̇) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ȷˌ˚ | | | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ӡ|Ӡ ӡ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [d͡z] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ʒ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӡ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚉ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="3" | [[ӡ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ď || style="background:#ffffc0" | ᴣ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ძ | style="background:#ffffc0" | dz || style="background:#ffffc0" | dz |- ! style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="2" | Ӡь ӡь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [d͡ʑ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ʒ’ | style="background:white" colspan="4" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӡ̊]] ([[ӡ̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ďˌ | | | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Ӡә ӡә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [d͡ʑʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ʒ° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚃ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚃ]] ([[ӡ̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ď˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ⱬ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ძჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ĉu || style="background:#ffffc0" | cw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[И|И и]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [i:], [j], [jə] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | i | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[І (kirilica)|і]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | i | style="background:#ffddf4" | ი | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | i |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[К (kirilica)|К к]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [k’] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ķ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[К (kirilica)|к]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | k || style="background:#ffffc0" | ⱪ | style="background:#ffddf4" | კ | style="background:#ffffc0" | k’ || style="background:#ffffc0" | k |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Кь кь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [k’ʲ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ķ ҄ | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="3" | кj || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[к̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[к̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | kˌ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ⱪı | style="background:#ffddf4" | კჲ | style="background:#ffffc0" | k’i || style="background:#ffffc0" | ki/-kï |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Кә кә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Ку ку | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [k’ʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ķ° | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="4" | ку || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[к̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | k˚ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ⱪu | style="background:#c0c0c0" | კუ | style="background:#ffffc0" | k’u || style="background:#ffffc0" | kw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Қ|Қ қ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [kʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | k | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[к̧]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[к̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ӄ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[қ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q || style="background:#ffffc0" | k | style="background:#ffddf4" | ქ | style="background:#ffffc0" | k || style="background:#ffffc0" | k’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Қь қь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [kʲʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | k ҄ | style="background:#c0c0c0" | к̧j || style="background:#c0c0c0" | к̓j || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ӄj || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ӄ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[қ̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | qˌ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | kı | style="background:#ffddf4" | ქჲ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ki || style="background:#ffffc0" | k’i/-k’ï |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Қә қә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Қу қу | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [kʷʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | k° | style="background:#c0c0c0" | к̧у || style="background:#c0c0c0" | к̓у || style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="2" | ӄу || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[қ̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q˚ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | ku | style="background:#c0c0c0" | ქუ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ku || style="background:#ffffc0" | k’w |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҟ|Ҟ ҟ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [q’] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | q̣ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[Ԛ (kirilica)|ԛ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | k̇ || style="background:#ffffc0" | q | style="background:#ffddf4" | ყ | style="background:#ffffc0" | q’ || style="background:#ffffc0" | q |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҟь ҟь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [q’ʲ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | q̣ ҄ | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="3" | ԛj || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ԛ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ԛ̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | k̇ˌ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | qı | style="background:#ffddf4" | ყჲ | style="background:#ffffc0" | q’i || style="background:#ffffc0" | qi/-qï |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҟә ҟә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Ҟу ҟу | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [q’ʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | q̣° | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="4" | ԛу || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ԛ̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | k̇˚ | style="background:#c0c0c0" | qu | style="background:#c0c0c0" | ყუ | style="background:#ffffc0" | q’u || style="background:#ffffc0" | qw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Л|Л л]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [l] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | l | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[л]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | l | style="background:#ffddf4" | ლ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | l |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[М (kirilica)|М м]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [m] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | m | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[М (kirilica)|м]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | m | style="background:#ffddf4" | მ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | m |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Н (kirilica)|Н н]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [n] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | n | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[Н (kirilica)|н]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | n | style="background:#ffddf4" | ნ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | n |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[О (kirilica)|О о]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [o] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | o | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[О (kirilica)|о]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | o | style="background:#ffddf4" | ო | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | o |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[П|П п]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [p’] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | p̣ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[п]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | p || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter open P.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | პ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | p’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ԥ|Ԥ ԥ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҧ]]ҧ | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [pʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | p | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[п̧]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[п̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ҧ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ԥ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | φ || style="background:#ffffc0" | p | style="background:#ffddf4" | ფ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | p |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Р (kirilica)|Р р]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [r] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | r | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[Р (kirilica)|р]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | r | style="background:#ffddf4" | რ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | r |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[С (kirilica)|С с]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [s] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | s | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[С (kirilica)|с]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | s | style="background:#ffddf4" | ს | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | s |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#c0c0c0" | Сь сь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɕ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | s’ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ҫ]] || style="background:white" colspan="2" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[с̊]] ([[с̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | sˌ || | | colspan="2" | |- ! style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="2" | Сә сә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɕʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | s° | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚗ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[щ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ꚗ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚗ̇]] ([[ш̇̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | щ˚ || | | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Т (kirilica)|Т т]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t’] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ṭ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[Т (kirilica)|т]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | tˌ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter T with descender.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ტ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | t’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Тә тә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t’ʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ṭ° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚍ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[т̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | t˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter Tp with descender.svg|10x10px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ტჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | t’u || style="background:#ffffc0" | t’w |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҭ|Ҭ ҭ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [tʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | t | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[т̧]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[т̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ꚋ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҭ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ || style="background:#ffffc0" | t | style="background:#ffddf4" | თ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | t |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҭә ҭә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [tʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | t° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚍ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҭ̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter Tp.svg|9x9px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | თჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | tu || style="background:#ffffc0" | tw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[У (kirilica)|У у]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [w], [wə], [u:] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | u | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[У (kirilica)|у]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | w || style="background:#ffffc0" | u | style="background:#ffddf4" | უ | style="background:#ffffc0" | u || style="background:#ffffc0" | w/wı/ıw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ф|Ф ф]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [f] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | f | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[ф]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | f | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჶ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | f |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Х (kirilica)|Х х]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [x] ~ [χ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | x | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[Х (kirilica)|х]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q̇ || style="background:#ffffc0" | x | style="background:#ffddf4" | ხ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | x |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Хь хь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [xʲ] ~ [χʲ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | x ҄ | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="3" | хj || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[х̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[х̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q̇ˌ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | xı | style="background:#ffddf4" | ხჲ | style="background:#ffffc0" | xi || style="background:#ffffc0" | xi/-xï |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Хә хә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Ху ху | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [xʷ] ~ [χʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | x° | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="4" | ху || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[х̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q̇˚ || style="background:#c0c0c0" | xu | style="background:#c0c0c0" | ხუ | style="background:#ffffc0" | xu || style="background:#ffffc0" | xw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#c0c0c0" | Х’ х’ | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [χ] ~ [χˤ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | x̮ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[х̍]] || colspan="2" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[χ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q̱̇ || | | colspan="2" | |- ! style="background:#c0c0c0" | Х’ә х’ә || style="background:#c0c0c0" | Х’у х’у | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [χˤʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | x̮° | style="background:#c0c0c0" colspan="2" | х̍у || colspan="2" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[χ̊]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | q̱̇˚ || | | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҳ|Ҳ ҳ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ħ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | h | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[һ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ħ || style="background:#ffffc0" | h | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჰ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | h |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҳә ҳә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ħʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | h° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚕ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚕ]] ([[h̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ħ˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ħ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჰჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | hu || style="background:#ffffc0" | hw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ц|Ц ц]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡sʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | c | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[ц]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ̇ || style="background:#ffffc0" | c | style="background:#ffddf4" | ც | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ts |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#c0c0c0" | Ць ць | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡ɕʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | c’ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tse with long left leg.svg|20x14px|link=Ц s dolgoju lěvoju nogoju]] | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ц̍]] || colspan="2" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ц̊]] ([[ц̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ̇ˌ || | | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Цә цә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡ɕʷʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | c° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚏ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚏ]] ([[ц̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ̇˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter reversed Ghe with low left hook.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ცჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ç̂u || style="background:#ffffc0" | çw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҵ|Ҵ ҵ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡sʼ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | c̣ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil.svg|20x15px|link=Cil (kirilica)]] | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ц̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ҵ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ц҄]] ([[ꚏ]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ṫ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter C with descender.svg|10x10px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | წ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ts’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#c0c0c0" | Ҵь ҵь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡ɕ’] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | c̣’ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil with bar.svg|20x15px|link=Prěčrknuty cil]] | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚑ]] || colspan="2" | || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ц҄̊]] ([[ꚏ̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ṫˌ || | | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҵә ҵә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡ɕʷʼ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | c̣° | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ꚏ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚏ̇]] ([[ꚏ̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ṫ˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter reversed Ghe with stroke.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | წჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ç̂’u || style="background:#ffffc0" | ç’w |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ч|Ч ч]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡ʃʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | č | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[ч]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ̣ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ɥ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჩ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ç |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҷ|Ҷ ҷ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [t͡ʃʼ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | č̣ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Char.svg|20x15px|link=Čar (kirilica)]] | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ч̓]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ꚓ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ч҄]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ṭ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter turned H with stroke.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჭ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ç’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҽ|Ҽ ҽ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʈ͡ʂʰ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | č^ჾ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҽ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚇ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ҽ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҽ]] ([[ч̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ϑ̱̣ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter abkhasian Che.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჩჾ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ç̄ || style="background:#ffffc0" | tş |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҿ|Ҿ ҿ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʈ͡ʂʰ’] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | č̣^ჾ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҽ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚇ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ҽ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ҽ̆]] ([[ҽ̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ṯ̣ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter abkhasian Che with descender.svg|11x11px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჭჾ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ç̄’ || style="background:#ffffc0" | tş’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ш|Ш ш]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʂ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | š^ჾ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[ш]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ш || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter S with descender.svg|10x10px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | შჾ | style="background:#ffffc0" | ş̄ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ş’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Шь шь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʃ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | š | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ш̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ш̊]] ([[ш̇]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | щ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ſ | style="background:#ffddf4" | შ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ş |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Шә шә | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʃʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | š° | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚗ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[щ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[ꚗ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ꚗ]] ([[ш̊]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | ш˚ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter reflected F.svg|12x12px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | შჿ | style="background:#ffffc0" | şu || style="background:#ffffc0" | şw |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ы|Ы ы]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɨ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ǝ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="5" | [[ѵ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ə | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჷ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | ı |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҩ|Ҩ ҩ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɥ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ꞷ | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[ҩ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ө]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | w̧ || style="background:#ffffc0" | y | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჳ | style="background:#ffffc0" | yu || style="background:#ffffc0" | ü |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Џ|Џ џ]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ɖ͡ʐ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ǯ^ჾ | colspan="3" | || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[џ]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ḓ || style="background:#ffffc0" | [[Fajl:Latin small letter script G with ascender.svg|15x15px]] | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჯჾ | style="background:#ffffc0" | c̄ || style="background:#ffffc0" | c’ |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | Џь џь | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [d͡ʒ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ǯ | style="background:#ddffdd" | [[ђ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="2" | [[џ]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[џ̆]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[џ̇]] | style="background:#ffffc0" | ḏ̣ || style="background:#ffffc0" | ꝗ | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჯ | style="background:#ffffc0" colspan="2" | c |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ь|Ь ь]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʲ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | j | style="background:#ddffdd" colspan="4" | [[Ј (kirilica)|j]] || style="background:#ddffdd" | [[і̆]] ([[й]]) | style="background:#ffffc0" | y || | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჲ | colspan="2" | |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ә|Ә ә]] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | [ʷ] | style="background:#f4f4f4" | ° | colspan="5" | | colspan="2" | | style="background:#ffddf4" | ჿ | || style="background:#ffffc0" | w |} Primětka: nesodržane v tabelě sut spomněne Marrom samoglasky '''[[ӑ]]''', '''[[а̄]]''', '''[[о̄]]''', '''[[ў]]''', '''[[ӳ]]''' v bzybskom alfabetu Ašhacavy, za ktore davaje latinske alternativy '''ă''', '''ā''', '''ō''', '''w''', '''ű'''.<ref>Marr (1938), str. 162.</ref> == Romanizacija abhazskogo alfabeta == [[Romanizacija]] (poněkogda takože: latinizacija) znači izobražen‌je teksta napisanogo nelatinskym pismom s pomočju [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]]. V protivnosti k latinizaciji v sovětskom kontekstu (prěhod na latinsky alfabet), romanizacija jest prědznačena za ljudij, ktori ne znajut kirilicu, da by poznali izgovor slov, imen i nazv, ale takože može služiti za pisan‌je v kontekstah, kde kirilica jest nedostupna. Sut dvě glavne metody latinizacije: transliteracija (prěobračen‌je pisanogo teksta, često ignorujuči izgovor) i transkripcija (prědstavjen‌je govorjenogo teksta, često zavisno od cěljnogo jezyka). Sistemy transliteracije često sut upotrěbjene v naučnyh kontekstah, profesionalnoj literaturě, bibliotečnyh sistemah i tako dalje. V tabеlě niže sut pokazane slědujuče sistemy za transliteraciju abhazskogo jezyka: * Fonetična transkripcija s pomočju [[Medžunarodny fonetičny alfabet|Medžunarodnogo fonetičnogo alfabeta (MFA)]]<ref>{{-|Hewitt}}, str. 260–263.</ref> * Sistema {{-|BGN-PCGN}} (2011 g.), serija standardov ustanovjenyh Sovětom SŠA po geografičnym nazvam ({{Jezyky|en|United States Board on Geographic Names}}) i Postojannym komitetom po geografičnym nazvam za britansku oficialnu upotrěbu ({{Jezyky|en|Permanent Committee on Geographical Names for British Official Use}})<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5d0a390340f0b620054bad58/ROMANIZATION_OF_ABKHAZ.pdf | title = Romanization of Abkhaz: BGN/PCGN 2011 System | access-date = 2025-12-13}}</ref> * Sistema {{-|KNAB}} ({{Jezyky|et|Kohanimeandmebaas}}, 1997), bazy danyh za geografične nazvy, ktoru poddrživaje Institut estonskogo jezyka ({{Jezyky|et|Eesti Keele Instituut}})<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://arhiiv.eki.ee/knab/lat/kblab.pdf | title = Abhaasi / Abkhaz / Апсуа Apsua. latinisatioon / romanization: KNAB 1993, modif. 1997 | website = Eesti Keele Institut / Institute of the Estonian Language | date = 2003-03-08}}</ref> * Sistema {{-|TITUS}} («Tezavr indogermanskyh tekstnyh i jezyčnyh materialov» ({{Jezyky|de|Thesaurus Indogermanischer Text- und Sprachmaterialien}}) (2000)<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://titus.uni-frankfurt.de/didact/caucasus/kaukschr.pdf | first = J. | last = Gippert | title = Caucasian alphabet systems based upon the Cyrillic script | website = titus.uni-frankfurt.de | access-date = 2025-12-14}}</ref> * Sistema {{-|ALA-LC}} (Amerikanskoj bibliotečnoj asociacije – Biblioteky kongresa; {{Jezyky|en|American Library Association – Library of Congress}}) (1997), ktora služi za prědstavjen‌je bibliografičnoj informacije v bibliotekah v SŠA i Kanadě, a od 1975 g. takože v Britanskoj bibliotekě ({{Jezyky|en|British Library}})<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/nonslav.pdf | title = ALA-LC Romanization tables: Non-Slavic Languages (in Cyrillic Script) | access-date = 2025-12-13}}</ref> * Sistema {{-|[[ISO 9]]:1995}} i {{-|ГОСТ 7.79—2000}}<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.ifap.ru/library/gost/7792000.pdf | title = ГОСТ 7.79—2000 (ИСО 9—95): система стандартов по информации, библиотечному и издателькому делу. Правила транслитерации кирилловского писма латинским алфавитом | website = ifap.ru | access-date = 2025-12-10 | language = ru}}</ref> Večinstvo povyših sistem bazujut se ješče na starom pravopisu (prěd reformoju 1996 g.). {{Sticky header}} {| class="sticky-header ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" cellspacing="0" border="2" style="border-collapse: collapse; font-family:Calibri, Arial Unicode MS, Lucida Grande, Doulos SIL, Code2000, Gentium, Gentium Alternative, TITUS Cyberbit Basic, Lucida Sans Unicode, MS Mincho, Arial, Hiragino Kaku Gothic Pro, Cyberbit, Bitstream Vera; font-size:120%; text-align:center; background:#feffff; bordercolor=#000000" ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Sučasny alfabet<br />1996 (1954) ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | Izgovor (MFA) ! style="padding:0 0.5em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | BGN-PCGN ! style="padding:0 0.8em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | KNAB ! style="padding:0 1.4em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | TITUS ! style="padding:0 1.2em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | ALA-LC ! style="padding:0 1.4em; border:1px solid black; background:#ccff66" | ISO 9 |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[А (kirilica)|А а]] | [a] | colspan="2" | a || ā || colspan="2" | a |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Б|Б б]] | [b] | colspan="5" | b |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[В (kirilica)|В в]] | [v] | colspan="5" | v |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Г|Г г]] | [g] | colspan="5" | g |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Гь гь | [gʲ] | gy || gj || colspan="3" | g’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Гә гә | [gʷ] | gw || gw<ref name="logika">Po logikě, ibo bukva jest odsutna na stranici.</ref> || g° || gẇ || ga̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ӷ|Ӷ ӷ]] ([[Ҕ|Ҕ ҕ]]) | [ɣ] ~ [ʁ] | gh || ǧ || ɣ || gh || — (ğ)<ref name="Ӷ">Standard {{-|ISO 9}} ne imaje ekvivalenta bukvy Ӷ, ktora v 2000 g. ješče byla uvažana variantom bukvy Ҕ.</ref> |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ӷь ӷь (Ҕь ҕь) | [ɣʲ] ~ [ʁʲ] | ghy || ǧj || ɣ’ || gh’ || — (ğ’)<ref name="Ӷ" /> |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ӷә ӷә | [ɣʷ] ~ [ʁʷ] | ghw || ǧw<ref name="logika" /> || ɣ° || ghẇ || — (ğu)<ref>Prěd reformoju 1996 g. zvuznak ''ӷә'' byl pisany kako ''ҕy''.</ref> |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Д|Д д]] | [d] | colspan="5" | d |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Дә дә | [dʷ] | colspan="2" | dw || d° || dẇ || da̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Е (kirilica)|Е е]] | [ɛ] ~ [e] | colspan="5" | e |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ж|Ж ж]] | [ʐ] | z͟h || colspan="2" | ž || zh || ž |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Жь жь | [ʒ] | zh || ź || ž’ || zh’ || ž’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Жә жә | [ʒʷ] | zhw || žw || žᵒ || zhẇ || ža̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[З|З з]] | [z] | colspan="5" | z |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ӡ|Ӡ ӡ]] | [d͡z] | colspan="2" | dz || ʒ || d͡z || ź |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ӡә ӡә | [d͡ʑʷ] | colspan="2" | dzw || ʒᵒ || d͡zẇ || źa̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[И|И и]] | [i:], [j], [jə] | colspan="2" | i || i, j || colspan="2" | i |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[К (kirilica)|К к]] | [k’] | k’ || ķ || ḳ || colspan="2" | k |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Кь кь | [k’ʲ] | ky’ || ķj || ḳ’ || colspan="2" | k’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Кә кә | [k’ʷ] | kw’ || ķw<ref name="logika" /> || ḳᵒ || kẇ || ka̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Қ|Қ қ]] | [kʰ] | colspan="3" | k || k̇h || ḳ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Қь қь | [kʲʰ] | ky || kj || k’ || k̇h’ || ḳ’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Қә қә | [kʷʰ] | kw || kw<ref name="logika" /> || kᵒ || k̇hẇ || ḳa̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҟ|Ҟ ҟ]] | [q’] | q’ || q || q̇ || q || k̄ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҟь ҟь | [q’ʲ] | qy’ || qj || q̇’ || q’ || k̄’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҟә ҟә | [q’ʷ] | qw’ || qw<ref name="logika" /> || q̇ᵒ || q̇ẇ || k̄a̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Л|Л л]] | [l] | colspan="5" | l |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[М (kirilica)|М м]] | [m] | colspan="5" | m |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Н (kirilica)|Н н]] | [n] | colspan="5" | n |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[О (kirilica)|О о]] | [o] | colspan="5" | o |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[П|П п]] | [p’] | p’ || colspan="2" | ṗ || colspan="2" | p |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ԥ|Ԥ ԥ]] ([[Ҧ|Ҧ ҧ]]) | [pʰ] | colspan="3" | p || ph || p̀ (ṕ) |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Р (kirilica)|Р р]] | [r] | colspan="5" | r |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[С (kirilica)|С с]] | [s] | colspan="5" | s |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Т (kirilica)|Т т]] | [t’] | t’ || ţ || ṭ || colspan="2" | t |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Тә тә | [t’ʷ] | tw’ || ţw || ṭᵒ || tẇ || ta̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҭ|Ҭ ҭ]] | [tʰ] | colspan="3" | t || th || ţ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҭә ҭә | [tʷ] | colspan="2" | tw || tᵒ || thẇ || ţa̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[У (kirilica)|У у]] | [w], [wə], [u:] | colspan="5" | u |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ф|Ф ф]] | [f] | colspan="5" | f |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Х (kirilica)|Х х]] | [x] ~ [χ] | colspan="3" | x || kh || h |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Хь хь | [xʲ] ~ [χʲ] | xy || xj || x’|| kh’ || h’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Хә хә | [xʷ] ~ [χʷ] | xw || xw<ref name="logika" /> || xᵒ|| khẇ || ha̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҳ|Ҳ ҳ]] | [ħ] | colspan="2" | h || ḥ || ḣ || h̦ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҳә ҳә | [ħʷ] | colspan="2" | hw || hᵒ || ḣẇ || h̦a̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ц|Ц ц]] | [t͡sʰ] | ts || colspan="2" | c || t͡s || c |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Цә цә | [t͡ɕʷʰ] | tsw || cw || cᵒ || t͡sẇ || ca̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҵ|Ҵ ҵ]] | [t͡sʼ] | ts’ || ç || c̣ || t͡ṡ || c̄ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Ҵә ҵә | [t͡ɕʷʼ] | tsw’ || çw || c̣ᵒ || t͡ṡẇ || c̄a̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ч|Ч ч]] | [t͡ʃʰ] | ch || ć || č’ || ch || č |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҷ|Ҷ ҷ]] | [t͡ʃʼ] | ch’ || ḉ || č̣’ || ċh || c̦ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҽ|Ҽ ҽ]] | [ʈ͡ʂʰ] | c͟h || colspan="2" | č || ćh || c̆ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҿ|Ҿ ҿ]] | [ʈ͡ʂʰ’] | c͟h’ || ç̌ || č̣ || ćh́ || c̣̆ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ш|Ш ш]] | [ʂ] | s͟h || colspan="2" | š || sh || š |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Шь шь | [ʃ] | sh || ś || š’ || sh’ || š’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Шә шә | [ʃʷ] | shw || šw || šᵒ || shẇ || ša̋ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ы|Ы ы]] | [ɨ] | ÿ || y || ǝ || colspan="2" | y |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ҩ|Ҩ ҩ]] | [ɥ] | yw || ÿ || ʿᵒ || w || ò |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Џ|Џ џ]] | [ɖ͡ʐ] | ɉ || dž || ǯ || j || d̂ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | Џь џь | [d͡ʒ] | j || dź || ǯ’ || j’ || d̂’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ь|Ь ь]] | [ʲ] | || || || colspan="2" | ’ |- ! style="background:#ddffdd" | [[Ә|Ә ә]] | [ʷ] | || || || ẇ || a̋ |} == Kodovan‌je == === Unikod === Abhazsku azbuku sodrživajut bloky «Kirilica» {{-|(U+0400 — U+04FF)}} i «Dopolnjen‌je k kirilici» {{-|(U+0500 — U+052F)}} Unikoda. Někoje historične bukvy takože nahodet se v bloku «Razširjena kirilica – B» {{-|(U+A640 — U+A69F)}}. V slědujučej tabelě abhazske bukvy imajut zaglavja ukazyvajuče jih informaciju na Unikodu i HTML-kod. V vizualnom prěgledaču by možete uviděti tutu informaciju, ako prěsunete kursor myškoju na danu bukvu. Abhazske bukvy sut označene kolorom: {{Legenda|#bee|sučasne bukvy sut v sinjem polju}} {{Legenda|#fbb|historične bukvy sut v črvenom polju}} <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; background:white; font-size:large;" |+ style="font-size:small;" | Abhazske bukvy v bloku «Kirilica» Unikoda<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0400.pdf | title = Cyrillic. Range: 0400–04FF | website = Unicode.org | language = en | access-date = 2025-12-13}}</ref> |- ! scope="col" rowspan="2" style="font-size:small;" | Prve znaky ! scope="colgroup" colspan="16" style="font-size:small;" | Poslědnji znak |- ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 0 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 1 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 2 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 3 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 4 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 5 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 6 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 7 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 8 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 9 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | A ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | B ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | C ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | D ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | E ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | F |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+040 | Ѐ || Ё | style="background:#fbb"|Ђ | Ѓ || Є || Ѕ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I: Unicode U+0406, HTML &amp;#1030;" | І | Ї | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER JE: Unicode U+0408, HTML &amp;#1032;" | Ј | Љ || Њ || Ћ || Ќ || Ѝ || Ў | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZHE: Unicode U+040F, HTML &amp;#1039;" | Џ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+041 | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER A: Unicode U+0410, HTML &amp;#1040;" | А | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER BE: Unicode U+0411, HTML &amp;#1041;" | Б | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER VE: Unicode U+0412, HTML &amp;#1042;" | В | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHE: Unicode U+0413, HTML &amp;#1043;" | Г | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DE: Unicode U+0414, HTML &amp;#1044;" | Д | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER IE: Unicode U+0415, HTML &amp;#1045;" | Е | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE: Unicode U+0416, HTML &amp;#1046;" | Ж | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZE: Unicode U+0417, HTML &amp;#1047;" | З | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER I: Unicode U+0418, HTML &amp;#1048;" | И | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHORT I: Unicode U+0419, HTML &amp;#1049;" | Й | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA: Unicode U+041A, HTML &amp;#1050;" | К | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EL: Unicode U+041B, HTML &amp;#1051;" | Л | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EM: Unicode U+041C, HTML &amp;#1052;" | М | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EN: Unicode U+041D, HTML &amp;#1053;" | Н | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER O: Unicode U+041E, HTML &amp;#1054;" | О | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE: Unicode U+041F, HTML &amp;#1055;" | П |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+042 | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ER: Unicode U+0420, HTML &amp;#1056;" | Р | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES: Unicode U+0421, HTML &amp;#1057;" | С | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TE: Unicode U+0422, HTML &amp;#1058;" | Т | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER U: Unicode U+0423, HTML &amp;#1059;" | У | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER EF: Unicode U+0424, HTML &amp;#1060;" | Ф | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER HA: Unicode U+0425, HTML &amp;#1061;" | Х | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TSE: Unicode U+0426, HTML &amp;#1062;" | Ц | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHE: Unicode U+0427, HTML &amp;#1063;" | Ч | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHA: Unicode U+0428, HTML &amp;#1064;" | Ш | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHCHA: Unicode U+0429, HTML &amp;#1065;" | Щ | Ъ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER YERU: Unicode U+042B, HTML &amp;#1067;" | Ы | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SOFT SIGN: Unicode U+042C, HTML &amp;#1068;" | Ь | Э || Ю || Я |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+043 | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER A: Unicode U+0430, HTML &amp;#1072;" | а | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BE: Unicode U+0431, HTML &amp;#1073;" | б | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER VE: Unicode U+0432, HTML &amp;#1074;" | в | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE: Unicode U+0433, HTML &amp;#1075;" | г | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DE: Unicode U+0434, HTML &amp;#1076;" | д | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER IE: Unicode U+0435, HTML &amp;#1077;" | е | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE: Unicode U+0436, HTML &amp;#1078;" | ж | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZE: Unicode U+0437, HTML &amp;#1079;" | з | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER I: Unicode U+0438, HTML &amp;#1080;" | и | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHORT I: Unicode U+0439, HTML &amp;#1081;" | й | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA: Unicode U+043A, HTML &amp;#1082;" | к | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EL: Unicode U+043B, HTML &amp;#1083;" | л | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EM: Unicode U+043C, HTML &amp;#1084;" | м | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EN: Unicode U+043D, HTML &amp;#1085;" | н | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O: Unicode U+043E, HTML &amp;#1086;" | о | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE: Unicode U+043F, HTML &amp;#1087;" | п |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+044 | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ER: Unicode U+0440, HTML &amp;#1088;" | р | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ES: Unicode U+0441, HTML &amp;#1089;" | с | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TE: Unicode U+0442, HTML &amp;#1090;" | т | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER U: Unicode U+0443, HTML &amp;#1091;" | у | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER EF: Unicode U+0444, HTML &amp;#1092;" | ф | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER HA: Unicode U+0445, HTML &amp;#1093;" | х | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TSE: Unicode U+0446, HTML &amp;#1094;" | ц | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHE: Unicode U+0447, HTML &amp;#1095;" | ч | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHA: Unicode U+0448, HTML &amp;#1096;" | ш | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHCHA: Unicode U+0449, HTML &amp;#1097;" | щ | ъ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER YERU: Unicode U+044B, HTML &amp;#1099;" | ы | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SOFT SIGN: Unicode U+044C, HTML &amp;#1100;" | ь | э || ю || я |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+045 | ѐ || ё || ђ || ѓ || є || ѕ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER BYELORUSSIAN-UKRAINIAN I: Unicode U+0456, HTML &amp;#1110;" | і | ї | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER JE: Unicode U+0458, HTML &amp;#1112;" | ј | љ || њ || ћ || ќ || ѝ || ў | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZHE: Unicode U+045F, HTML &amp;#1119;" | џ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+046 | Ѡ || ѡ || Ѣ || ѣ || Ѥ || ѥ || Ѧ || ѧ || Ѩ || ѩ || Ѫ || ѫ || Ѭ || ѭ || Ѯ || ѯ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+047 | Ѱ || ѱ || Ѳ || ѳ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER IZHITSA: Unicode U+0474, HTML &amp;#1140;" | Ѵ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER IZHITSA: Unicode U+0475, HTML &amp;#1141;" | ѵ | Ѷ || ѷ || Ѹ || ѹ || Ѻ || ѻ || Ѽ || ѽ || Ѿ || ѿ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+048 | Ҁ || ҁ || ҂||҃||҄||҅||҆||҇ || ҈ || ҉ || Ҋ || ҋ || Ҍ || ҍ || Ҏ || ҏ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+049 | Ґ || ґ || Ғ || ғ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHE WITH MIDDLE HOOK: Unicode U+0494, HTML &amp;#1172;" | Ҕ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE WITH MIDDLE HOOK: Unicode U+0495, HTML &amp;#1173;" | ҕ | Җ || җ || Ҙ || ҙ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+049A, HTML &amp;#1178;" | Қ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+049B, HTML &amp;#1179;" | қ | Ҝ || ҝ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH STROKE: Unicode U+049E, HTML &amp;#1182;" | Ҟ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH STROKE: Unicode U+049F, HTML &amp;#1183;" | ҟ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+04A | Ҡ || ҡ || Ң || ң || Ҥ || ҥ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE WITH MIDDLE HOOK: Unicode U+04A6, HTML &amp;#1190;" | Ҧ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE WITH MIDDLE HOOK: Unicode U+04A7, HTML &amp;#1191;" | ҧ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ABKHAZIAN HA: Unicode U+04A8, HTML &amp;#1192;" | Ҩ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ABKHAZIAN HA: Unicode U+04A9, HTML &amp;#1193;" | ҩ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ES WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04AA, HTML &amp;#1194;" | Ҫ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ES WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04AB, HTML &amp;#1195;" | ҫ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04AC, HTML &amp;#1196;" | Ҭ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04AD, HTML &amp;#1197;" | ҭ | Ү || ү |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+04B | Ұ || ұ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER HA WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04B2, HTML &amp;#1202;" | Ҳ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER HA WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04B3, HTML &amp;#1203;" | ҳ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LIGATURE TE TSE: Unicode U+04B4, HTML &amp;#1204;" | Ҵ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LIGATURE TE TSE: Unicode U+04B5, HTML &amp;#1205;" | ҵ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CHE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04B6, HTML &amp;#1206;" | Ҷ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CHE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04B7, HTML &amp;#1207;" | ҷ | Ҹ || ҹ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHHA: Unicode U+04BA, HTML &amp;#1210;" | Һ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHHA: Unicode U+04BB, HTML &amp;#1211;" | һ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ABKHASIAN CHE: Unicode U+04BC, HTML &amp;#1212;" | Ҽ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ABKHASIAN CHE: Unicode U+04BD, HTML &amp;#1213;" | ҽ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ABKHASIAN CHE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04BE, HTML &amp;#1214;" | Ҿ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ABKHASIAN CHE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04BF, HTML &amp;#1215;" | ҿ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+04C | Ӏ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE WITH BREVE: Unicode U+04C1, HTML &amp;#1217;" | Ӂ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE WITH BREVE: Unicode U+04C2, HTML &amp;#1218;" | ӂ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH HOOK: Unicode U+04C3, HTML &amp;#1219;" | Ӄ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH HOOK: Unicode U+04C4, HTML &amp;#1220;" | ӄ | Ӆ || ӆ || Ӈ || ӈ || Ӊ || ӊ || Ӌ || ӌ || Ӎ || ӎ || ӏ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;"| U+04D | Ӑ || ӑ || Ӓ || ӓ || Ӕ || ӕ || Ӗ || ӗ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SCHWA: Unicode U+04D8, HTML &amp;#1240;" | Ә | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SCHWA: Unicode U+04D9, HTML &amp;#1241;" | ә | Ӛ || ӛ || Ӝ || ӝ || Ӟ || ӟ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+04E | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ABKHASIAN DZE: Unicode U+04E0, HTML &amp;#1248;" | Ӡ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ABKHASIAN DZE: Unicode U+04E1, HTML &amp;#1249;" | ӡ | Ӣ || ӣ || Ӥ || ӥ || Ӧ || ӧ || Ө || ө || Ӫ || ӫ || Ӭ || ӭ || Ӯ || ӯ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+04F | Ӱ || ӱ || Ӳ || ӳ || Ӵ || ӵ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER GHE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04F6, HTML &amp;#1270;" | Ӷ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER GHE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+04F7, HTML &amp;#1271;" | ӷ | Ӹ || ӹ || Ӻ || ӻ || Ӽ || ӽ || Ӿ || ӿ |} {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; background:white; font-size:large;" |+ style="font-size:small;" | Abhazske bukvy v bloku «Dopolnjen‌je k kirilici» Unikoda<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0500.pdf | title = Cyrillic Supplement. Range: 0500–052F | website = Unicode.org | language = en | access-date = 2025-12-13}}</ref> |- ! scope="col" rowspan="2" style="font-size:small;" | Prve znaky ! scope="colgroup" colspan="16" style="font-size:small;" | Poslědnji znak |- ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 0 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 1 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 2 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 3 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 4 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 5 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 6 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 7 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 8 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 9 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | A ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | B ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | C ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | D ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | E ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | F |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+050 | Ԁ || ԁ || Ԃ || ԃ || Ԅ || ԅ || Ԇ || ԇ || Ԉ || ԉ || Ԋ || ԋ || Ԍ || ԍ || Ԏ || ԏ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+051 | Ԑ || ԑ || Ԓ || ԓ || Ԕ || ԕ || Ԗ || ԗ || Ԙ || ԙ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER QA: Unicode U+051A, HTML &amp;#1306;" | Ԛ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER QA: Unicode U+051B, HTML &amp;#1307;" | ԛ | Ԝ || ԝ || Ԟ || ԟ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+052 | Ԡ || ԡ || Ԣ || ԣ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+0524, HTML &amp;#1316;" | Ԥ | style="background:#bee" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER PE WITH DESCENDER: Unicode U+0525, HTML &amp;#1317;" | ԥ | Ԧ || ԧ || || || || || || || || ԯ |} {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center; background:white; font-size:large;" |+ style="font-size:small;" | Abhazske bukvy v bloku «Razširjena kirilica – B» Unikoda<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/UA640.pdf | title = Cyrillic Extended-B. Range: A640–A69F | website = Unicode.org | language = en | access-date = 2025-12-13}}</ref> |- ! scope="col" rowspan="2" style="font-size:small;" | Prve znaky ! scope="colgroup" colspan="16" style="font-size:small;" | Poslědnji znak |- ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 0 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 1 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 2 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 3 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 4 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 5 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 6 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 7 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 8 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | 9 ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | A ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | B ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | C ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | D ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | E ! scope="col" style="width:20pt; font-size:small;" | F |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+A64 | Ꙁ || ꙁ || Ꙃ || ꙃ || Ꙅ || ꙅ || Ꙇ || ꙇ || Ꙉ || ꙉ || Ꙋ || ꙋ || Ꙍ || ꙍ || Ꙏ || ꙏ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+A65 | Ꙑ || ꙑ || Ꙓ || ꙓ || Ꙕ || ꙕ || Ꙗ || ꙗ || Ꙙ || ꙙ || Ꙛ || ꙛ || Ꙝ || ꙝ || Ꙟ || ꙟ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+A66 | || || Ꙣ || ꙣ || Ꙥ || ꙥ || Ꙧ || ꙧ || Ꙩ || ꙩ || Ꙫ || ꙫ || Ꙭ || ꙭ || ꙮ || &nbsp;꙯ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+A67 | &nbsp;꙰ || &nbsp;꙱ || &nbsp;꙲ || ꙳ || &nbsp;ꙴ || &nbsp;ꙵ || &nbsp;ꙶ || &nbsp;ꙷ || &nbsp;ꙸ || &nbsp;ꙹ || &nbsp;ꙺ || &nbsp;ꙻ || &nbsp;꙼ || &nbsp;꙽ || ꙾ || ꙿ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+A68 | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DWE: Unicode U+A680, HTML &amp;#42624;" | Ꚁ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DWE: Unicode U+A681, HTML &amp;#42625;" | ꚁ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZWE: Unicode U+A682, HTML &amp;#42626;" | Ꚃ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZWE: Unicode U+A683, HTML &amp;#42627;" | ꚃ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHWE: Unicode U+A684, HTML &amp;#42628;" | Ꚅ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHWE: Unicode U+A685, HTML &amp;#42629;" | ꚅ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER CCHE: Unicode U+A686, HTML &amp;#42630;" | Ꚇ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER CCHE: Unicode U+A687, HTML &amp;#42631;" | ꚇ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER DZZE: Unicode U+A688, HTML &amp;#42632;" | Ꚉ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER DZZE: Unicode U+A689, HTML &amp;#42633;" | ꚉ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TE WITH MIDDLE HOOK: Unicode U+A68A, HTML &amp;#42634;" | Ꚋ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TE WITH MIDDLE HOOK: Unicode U+A68B, HTML &amp;#42635;" | ꚋ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TWE: Unicode U+A68C, HTML &amp;#42636;" | Ꚍ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TWE: Unicode U+A68D, HTML &amp;#42637;" | ꚍ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TSWE: Unicode U+A68E, HTML &amp;#42638;" | Ꚏ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TSWE: Unicode U+A68F, HTML &amp;#42639;" | ꚏ |- ! scope="row" style="font-size:small;" | U+A69 | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TSSE: Unicode U+A690, HTML &amp;#42640;" | Ꚑ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TSSE: Unicode U+A691, HTML &amp;#42641;" | ꚑ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER TCHE: Unicode U+A692, HTML &amp;#42642;" | Ꚓ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER TCHE: Unicode U+A693, HTML &amp;#42643;" | ꚓ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER HWE: Unicode U+A694, HTML &amp;#42644;" | Ꚕ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER HWE: Unicode U+A695, HTML &amp;#42645;" | ꚕ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER SHWE: Unicode U+A696, HTML &amp;#42646;" | Ꚗ | style="background:#fbb" title="CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER SHWE: Unicode U+A697, HTML &amp;#42647;" | ꚗ | || || || || || || &nbsp;ꚞ || &nbsp;ꚟ |} </div> === Bukvy odsutne v Unikodu === Mnoge bukvy historičnyh abhazskyh alfabetov imajut diakritičny znak, napr. {{Calibri|'''г̓''', '''к̊''', '''п̧''', '''ԛ̇''', '''т̨''', '''х̍''', '''ꚇ̆''', '''ҽ̆''', '''ц҄̊'''}} i t.d. One v občem ne imajut vlastno město v Unikodu, ale mogut byti izobražene s pomočju kombinujučego znaka: ◌̆ (brevis, {{-|U+0306}}), ◌̇ (točka, {{-|U+0307}}), ◌̊ (prstenj, {{-|U+030A}}), ◌̓ (zapeta, {{-|U+0313}}), ◌̧ (sedilj, {{-|U+0327}}) i t.d. V mnogyh fontah, na žalost, rezultat jest nezadovaljajuči, osoblivo v slučaju velikyh bukv. Někoje historične bukvy ne sut prědstavjene v Unikodu i mogut byti izobražene samo s pomočju obrazka. Taka situacija jest v slučaju četyreh kiriličnyh bukv rukopisnogo alfabeta Uslara: [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Tse with long left leg.svg|20x16px|link=Ц s dolgoju lěvoju nogoju]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil.svg|20x16px]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Cil with bar.svg|20x16px]], [[Fajl:Cyrillic small letter Char.svg|20x16px]] (te tri poslědnje sut osnovane na gruzinskyh bukvah '''წ''' i '''ჭ'''), a takože v slučaju poněkojih bukv medžuvojennogo latinskogo alfabeta: [[Fajl:Latin small letter reversed Ghe with long leg.svg|20x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter open P.svg|20x12px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter T with descender.svg|20x16px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter Tp with descender.svg|12x11px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter Tp.svg|12x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter reversed Ghe with low left hook.svg|20x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter C with descender.svg|10x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter reversed Ghe with stroke.svg|20x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter turned H with stroke.svg|20x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter abkhasian Che.svg|20x9px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter abkhasian Che with descender.svg|20x10px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter S with descender.svg|16x11px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter reflected F.svg|20x12px]], [[Fajl:Latin small letter script G with ascender.svg|15x15px]]. == Razklad klaviatury == Standardny razklad abhazskoj klaviatury na nastolnyh kompjuterah izgledaje tako: :[[Fajl:Abkhazian keyboard.png|800x400px|Razklad abhazskoj klaviatury]] == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Izvory == * {{-|[Bartolomej]}} {{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Bartolomey_Abkhazskiy_bukvar_.pdf | last = Бартоломей | first = Иван Алексеевич | title = Абхазскій букварь | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1865}} * {{-|[Bgažba]}} {{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/gBIZEslWujvUt | format = PDF | first = Х.С. | last = Бгажба | title = Бзыбский диалект абхазского языка (Исследование и тексты) | place = Тбилиси | publisher = Издательство Академии наук Грузинской ССР | year = 1964 | language = ru}} * {{-|[Bgažba]}} {{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | format = PDF | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru}} * {{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Chirikba_Abkhaz.pdf | first = Viacheslav A. | last = Chikirba | title = Abkhaz | series = Languages of the World/Materials 119 | place = München | publisher = Lincom Europa | year = 2003 | language = en}} * {{-|[Čirikba]}} {{Cite book | first = В.А. | last = Чирикба | url = https://www.academia.edu/40453987/Unified_Abkhaz_Abaza_Alphabet_on_the_Latin_Graphic_Basis_A_Project_Sukhum_2919_Единый_абхазо_абазинский_алфавит_на_латинской_графической_основе_Проект_Сухум_2019 | title = Еизаку аԥсуа-абаза алфавит алатин шьаҭала. Апроект / Латин хiарыф зыщата йщтiу апсуа-абаза алфавит. Проект / Единый абхазо-абазинский алфавит на латинской графической основе. Проект | publisher = АНО «Алашара» | place = Аҟәа / Сухум | year = 2019 | language = ru}} * {{-|[Čirikba]}} {{Cite journal | url = https://www.academia.edu/90307331 | first = В.А. | last = Чикирба | title = Бзыпский диалект абхазского языка (Краткий очерк) | journal = Аԥсны аҭҵаарадыррақәа ракадемиа адырраҭара / Вестник Академии наук Абхазии | issue = № 12 | place = Аҟәа / Сухум | publisher = Academia | year = 2022 | pages = 19–25 | language = ru}} * {{Cite journal | url = https://edizionicafoscari.unive.it/media/pdf/books/978-88-6969-667-1/978-88-6969-667-1-ch-01.pdf | first = Viacheslav | last = Chikirba | title = From the History of Abkhaz Romanized Alphabets | journal = Eurasiatica 19 | year = 2023 | publisher = Edizioni Ca’Foscari | language = en | isbn = 978-88-6969-667-1 | pages = 3–28}} * {{-|[Čočua]}} {{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Chochua_Abkhazskaya_azbuka_1909.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Ч̆оч̆уа | title = Аԥсуа Анбан, Абхазская азбука | place = Тифлисъ | publisher = Изданiе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1909}} * {{-|[Čočua]}} {{Cite book | url = https://disk.yandex.ru/i/07Q4an9cdk2YJ | last = Ҷоҷуа | first = А.М. | title = Анбан. Ахҧатәи ирҽеины аҭыжьра / Азбука | place = Аҟуа [Suhumi] | publisher = Аҧҳәынҭшәҟуҭыжьырҭа | year = 1957 | pages = 105–106}} * {{-|[Gulia/Mačavariani]}} {{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Machavariani_Abkhazskaya_azbuka.pdf | first1 = Д.И. | last1 = Гулиа | first2 = К.Д. | last2 = Мачавариани | title = Абхазская азбука. Главнѣйшія молитвы и заповѣди на абхазскомъ и церковно-славянскомъ языкахъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1892 | language = ru}} * {{Cite book | first = G. | last = Hewitt | title = Introduction to the Study of the Languages of the Caucasus | place = München | publisher = Lincom | year = 2004 | pages = 260–263 | isbn = 3-89586-734-9}} * {{Cite book | first = George | url = https://www.scribd.com/document/483763186/Abkhaz-A-Comprehensive-Self-Tutor-Hewitt-pdf | last = Hewitt | title = Abkhaz. A Comprehensive Self-Tutor | place = München | publisher = Lincom Europa | year = 2010 | language = en}} * {{Cite book | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=RRXdAAAAQBAJ | first = Stephen F. | last = Jones | title = War and Revolution in the Caucasus: Georgia Ablaze | year = 2013 | publisher = Routledge | isbn = 978-1-317-98762-8 | language = en}}</ref> * {{-|[Marr]}} {{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/2099-marr_abkhazskiy_analiticheskiy_alfavit.html | first = Н.Я. | last = Марр | title = Избранные работы, т. II. Основные вопросы языкознания | place = Ленинград | publisher = АН Наук СССР, Издательство ГАИМК | year = 1936 | pages = 321–354 | language = ru}} * {{-|[Marr]}} {{Cite book | url = https://disk.yandex.ru/i/2WiKc6d_bmWAJ | first = Н.Я. | last = Марр | title = О языке и истории абхазов | place = Москва, Ленинград | publisher = Издательство Академии наук СССР | year = 1938 | chapter = О записывании абхазских текстов | pages = 150–164 | format = PDF | language = ru}} * {{-|[Romanov]}} {{Cite book | url = https://disk.yandex.ru/i/DEn2BX813MLN4p | first = В.П. | last = Романов | title = Абазинской Словарь | place = Сухум | publisher = АбИГИ, Дом печати | year = 2016}} * {{-|[Uslar]}} {{Cite book | url = https://docs.yandex.ru/docs/view?url=ya-disk-public%3A%2F%2FSHEPIfcSUDm6N9cbTjDQq5EJ%2BxndFVeLnXUon%2BjQhPw%3D&name=Uslar_K_Etnografiya_Kavkaza_Jazykoznanie_Abkhazsky_jazyk_1862.pdf | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1862}} * {{-|[Uslar]}} {{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/orTcI91mggyb5Q | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1887 | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Главноначальстующаго гражданскою частію на Кавказѣ | format = PDF | language = ru | editor = Zavadskyj}} * {{Cite book | url = | author = (bez avtora) | title = Абхазская азбука и статьи для чтенія и письменныхъ работъ | place = Тифлисъ | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Намѣстника Его Императорскаго Величества на Кавказѣ и художественная литографія Г. Дюстердика | year = 1906}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = http://lingvarium.org/scripts/abkhaz.shtml | title = Абхазская письменность | website = Lingvarium.org | language = ru}} * {{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/abkhaz.htm | title = Abkhaz (аҧсуа бызшәа) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = http://transliteration.eki.ee/pdf/Abkhaz_3.0.pdf | title = Transliteration of Non-Roman Scripts: Abkhaz | first = Thomas T. | last = Pedersen | website = transliteration.eki.ee | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://www.translitteration.com/transliteration/en/abkhaz/ | title = Abhazsky transliterator | website = translitteration.com}} {{Kirilica}} [[Kategorija:Abhazsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Kirilica]] kugaio1ifh0zke2v3v5x7of09vgi01j 0 575 28857 3246 2026-07-16T12:10:40Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28857 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Abhazsky | nativename = {{Jezyky|ab|аԥсшәа, аԥсуа бызшәа}} | states = [[Gruzija]] ([[Abhazija]], [[Adžarija]]), [[Rosija]], [[Turcija]], [[Sirija]], [[Jordanija]], [[Irak]] | ethnicity = abhazi | speakers = 190 mln. | ref = | script = [[kirilica]] | nation = [[Abhazija]] | agency = | map = Map of Abkhaz language.svg | mapcaption = Abhazija na kartě Kavkaza, na temnosinjih teritorijah govoritelji abhazskogo sut večinstvo. | family = * [[Kavkazske jezyky]] (?) ** [[Sěverokavkazske jezyky]] (?) *** [[Sěverozapadnokavkazske jezyky]] **** Abhazo-abazinska grupa ***** '''Abhazsky jezyk''' | iso1 = ab | iso2 = abk | iso3 = abk }} '''Abhazsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ab|аԥсуа бызшәа}}) jest [[Sěverozapadnokavkazske jezyky|sěverozapadnokavkazsky jezyk]], ktory imaje okolo 190 tys. govoriteljev. Zajedno s [[Russky jezyk|russkym]] abhazsky jest jedin iz služebnyh jezykov nepriznanoj republiky [[Abhazija|Abhazije]], ktora formalno jest čest [[Gruzija|Gruzije]] ale nahodi se pod okupacijeju [[Rosija|Rosije]].<ref>Statija 6 Konstitucije. {{Cite web | url = https://parlamentra.org/upload/iblock/0c0/Конституция_Республики_Абхазия_2015_03_31_13_14_23_110.pdf | title = Конституция Републики Абхазия | website = Народное собрание. Парламент Республики Абхазия | date = 2014-04-30 | access-date = 2025-12-02 | language = ru}}</ref> Vslěd političnoj situacije tutoj jezyk dnešnjego dnja naleži k lěpje razvityh «malyh» [[Kavkazske jezyky|jezykov Kavkaza]], imaje odnositeljno vysoky prestiž i jest upotrěbjeny v presě, radiju, televiziji, literaturě i naučnyh dělah. Kromě Abhazije, sut takože govoritelji abhazskogo [[Rosija|Rosiji]] ([[Karačajevo-Čerkesija]], [[Stavropolsky kraj]]), v [[Gruzija|Gruziji]] ([[Adžarija]]), [[Turcija|Turciji]], [[Sirija|Siriji]], [[Jordanija|Jordaniji]] i [[Irak]]u. Iz pričin historije jezyka i regiona abhazsky sodrživaje mnogo elementov pozajetyh od [[Turečsky jezyk|turečskogo]], [[Gruzinsky jezyk|gruzinskogo]] i [[Russky jezyk|russkogo]] jezykov. Abhazsky jezyk imaje tri glavne dialekty: abžujsky (na ktorym jest osnovany literaturny jezyk), [[Bzybsky dialekt abhazskogo jezyka|bzybsky]] i sadzsky (v Turciji). Najbliže srodnym jezykom jest [[abazinsky jezyk]]. == Harakteristika == Abhazsky jezyk harakterizuje se nadobyčajno vysokoju kolikostju suglasok (58, v bzybskom dialektu daže 67) i nadobyčajno nizkoju kolikostju samoglasok. Sut samo dvě fonologično samobytne suglasky: otvorjena samoglaska /a/ i zakryta samoglaska /ǝ/. Obě mogut byti izgovorjene kako /e/, /i/, /o/ ili /u/, zavisno od leksikalnoj obsrědiny, ale razlika medžu tymi zvukami ne jest relevantna i ne igraje značnu rolju za razuměnje slov. Tipologično abhazsky jezyk jest polisintetičny i aglutinacijny. Gramatika harakterizuje se ergativnostju: zaměsto nominativa i akuzativa abhazsky imaje sistemu s nergativom i absolutivom, v ktoroj ergativ označaje podmet prěhodnogo glagola, a absolutiv označaje prědmet prěhodnogo glagola i podmet neprěhodnogo glagola. Dodatočno sut dva padeže: tvoriteljnik (instrumental) i adverbial. Časovanje glagolov jest neobyčno složeno. == Alfabet == {{Osnovny članok|Abhazsky alfabet}} V 1862 g. kavkazolog [[Pjotr Uslar]] stvoril prvu [[Kirilica|kiriličnu]] azbuku za abhazsky jezyk.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://docs.yandex.ru/docs/view?url=ya-disk-public%3A%2F%2FSHEPIfcSUDm6N9cbTjDQq5EJ%2BxndFVeLnXUon%2BjQhPw%3D&name=Uslar_K_Etnografiya_Kavkaza_Jazykoznanie_Abkhazsky_jazyk_1862.pdf | first = Петр | last = Услар | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1862}}</ref> Versije tutoj azbuky, izměnjene medžu drugymi Myhajlom Zavadskym v 1887 g., Dmitrijem Gulia i Konstantinom Mačavariani v 1892 g. i Aleksejem Čočua v 1909 g., byli v upotrěbě do 1926 g., kogda v ramkah latinizacije [[Sovětsky Sojuz|Sovětskogo sojuza]] byla vvedena versija [[Latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]], tako nazyvajema «Analitična ortografija» stvorjena Nikolajem Marrom. Zaměsto njej prostějši latinsky alfabet Nikolaja Jakovleva byla vvedena v 1928 g. V lětah 1938–1954 byl upotrěbjeny [[gruzinsky alfabet]], a v 1954 g. ponovno byla vvedena kiriličny alfabet, ktory od togo časa ješče několiko razov byl izměnjeny. 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text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҽ|Ҽ ҽ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ʂʰ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҿ|Ҿ ҿ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|t͡ʂʼ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ш|Ш ш]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʂ}} |- | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Шь шь'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʃ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Шә шә'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʃʷ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ы|Ы ы]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɨ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ҩ|Ҩ ҩ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ɥ/ɥˤ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Џ|Џ џ]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|d͡ʐ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''Џь џь'''}} <br> {{MFA|d͡ʒ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ь|Ь ь]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʲ}} | style="width:5em; text-align:center; padding: 3px;" | {{-|'''[[Ә|Ә ә]]'''}} <br> {{MFA|ʷ}} |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Abhazsky jezyk| ]] [[Kategorija:Kavkazske jezyky]] p8f83130707cogjglrvkjaqlpk1bea8 0 576 28858 3254 2026-07-16T12:12:04Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28858 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Праведни Авраам и прaведни (покајани) разбојник у рају, живопис у светој обитељи Грачаница, Србија.jpg|thumb|Abraham v raju, Srbsky pravoslavny monastyr Gračanica]] '''Abraham''', prvotno '''Avram''' ({{Jezyky|he|‏אַבְרָהָם}}‎ ''’Aḇrāhām'', akad. {{-|A-bi-ra-mu}}, {{Jezyky|ar|‏إِبْرَاهِيمُ}}‎ ''Ibrāhīm'', bukvalno «ljubivši otca»), byl prvy iz hebrejskyh patriarhov. Soglasno s [[Biblija|Biblijeju]], žil okolo 2. tysečlětja p.n.e. Po Biblije, Abraham byl praotcem naroda jevrejskogo, arabskogo, Edomitov i inyh. S volji [[Bog]]a Jahve izjehal s [[Mesopotamija|Mesopotamiji]] do [[Palestina|Palestiny]]. Muž Sary, otec Izmaela i Izaaka. Historiju Abrahama možna najditi v Bibliji v 1. knigě Mojseja. Abraham zvany jest otcem narodov, ktore vyznavajut tri velike religije monoteisticne: [[judaizm]], [[hristijanstvo]] i [[islam]] tako zvani religije abrahamičske. == Věrozakonne tradicije == === Hristijanstvo === Katoličska crkov česti Abrahama ravno s svetymi. Soglasno Katehizma Katoličskoj Crkvi: (61) „Patriarhi i proroki a takože ine personaže Starogo Testamentu byli i vsegdy budut češčeni ako sveti v vsih tradicijah liturgičnyh Crkvi”. Pravoslavna crkov zove jegov svetym. Vozpomněnje liturgične Abrahama odbyvaje se v crkvah 9 oktobra. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|pl|Abraham}} [[Kategorija:Ljudi]] [[Kategorija:Religija]] [[Kategorija:Historija]] hc80xjrwqvv4b6y9tubhnhfy9ihxcci 0 578 28859 3265 2026-07-16T12:12:10Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28859 wikitext text/x-wiki {| class="wikitable" style="float:right; margin:0 0 1em 1em; width:250px; background-color:#f9f9f9; border-collapse:collapse; font-size:90%;" ! colspan="2" style="background-color:#dcdcdc; text-align:center; font-size:120%;" | Adam Smit angl. Adam Smith |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center;" | [[Fajl:Adam Smith, 1723 - 1790. Political economist.jpg|thumb|center|256x256px|Posmrtny portret, napisany Džonim Muirom priblizno 1800 roka.]] |- | '''Rodil se'''|| priblizno 16 junija [stary stil  5 junija] 1723 roka Kirkcaldy, Fife, Škotska, Velika Britanja. |- | '''Umrl'''|| 17 julija 1790 (67 lět) Edinburg, Škotska. |- | '''Alma mater''' || Universitet Glasgo Balliol Koledž, Oksford. |- | '''Značime tvorby'''|| ''Teorija moralnyh čuvstv'' (1759) ''Studiovanje pričin i prirody bogatstva narodov'' (1776) |- | '''Era''' || Ranny moderny period |- | '''Region''' || Zapadna filozofija |- | '''Glavne interesy''' || Politična filozofija, etika, ekonomika |- | '''Značime ideje'''|| Klasična ekonomika <br /> Svobodny trg <br /> Děljenje truda <br /> Absolutna izgoda <br /> Nevidima ruka |- | '''Podpis'''|| [[Fajl:Adam Smith signature 1783.svg|200px|center]] |} '''Adam Smit''' (okreščeny 16 junija 1723 - 17 julija 1790) byl [[Škotska|škotskym]] ekonomistom i filozofom. Byl pionerom v oblasti političnoj ekonomije i ključnoj figuroju škotskogo [[Prosvěčanje|Prosvěčanja]]. Něktori mnějut jego "otcem ekonomiky" ili "otcem kapitalizma". On napisal dvě klasične tvorby: "Teorija moralnyh čuvstv" (1759) i "Studiovanje pričin i prirody bogatstva narodov" (1776). Ta poslědnja tvorba, često imenujema kratko "Bogatstvo narodov", mněje se jego glavnoju tvorboju i prvym modernym trudom, ktory gledaje na ekonomiku kako na cělkovitu sistemu i akademičnu disciplinu. Smit odvrgaje božsko objasnenje distribucije bogatstva i vlady, a vměsto togo apeluje k naturalnym, političnym, socialnym, ekonomičnym, pravnym, ekologičnym i tehnologičnym faktoram i jih vzajemodějstvu medžu soboju. == Izotčniky == Tuty članok imaje prěvod iz članka [[:en:Adam_Smith|«Adam Smith»]] na anglijskom ([https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Adam_Smith&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|CC BY-SA 4.0]]).{{DEFAULTSORT:Smit, Adam}} [[Kategorija:Ekonomisti]] [[Kategorija:Filozofi]] [[Kategorija:Škoti]] rzx8rs2s1vgku8vn9xqqhomuf66cdo9 0 580 28860 3276 2026-07-16T12:12:18Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28860 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:300px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" ! colspan="2" style="background:#000000; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" |Adolf Hitler<br>'''<span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">Adolf Hitler</span>''' |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" |[[Fajl:Bundesarchiv Bild 183-H1216-0500-002, Adolf Hitler.jpg|frameless]] <small>Adolf Hitler v 1938 roku</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#eeeeee; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" |Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" |Rodil se: |20 aprilja 1889<br>Braunau am Inn, [[Avstro-Vugrija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" |Umrl: |30 aprilja 1945 (56 roka)<br>[[Berlin]], [[Nacistična Němcija]] |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#eeeeee; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" |Akademična dějatelnost |- | style="font-weight:bold;" |Oblast: |[[Politik]], [[Ideologija|ideolog]], artist |- |'''Partija:''' |Němečska Partija Rabotnikov (1919-1920) [[Nacionalsocialistična němečska rabotničska partija|NSDAP]] (1921-1945) |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#eeeeee; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" |Podpis |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" |[[Fajl:Hitler’s signature (1944).svg|frameless|150x150px]] |} '''Adolf Hitler''' ({{Jezyky|de|Adolf Hitler}}; 1889–1945) byl [[Němcija|němečsky]] politik [[Avstrija|avstrijskogo]] pohodžeńja, kancler Němcije od 30 januara 1933, od 2 avgusta 1934 do svojej smrti — vodž i kancler Němcije ({{Jezyky|de|Der Führer und Reichskanzler}}). Tvorec i diktator [[Nacistična Němcija|nacističnoj Němcije]], glava [[Nacionalsocialistična němečska rabotničska partija|Nacionalsocialističnoj němečskoj rabotničskoj partije]] ({{-|NSDAP}}), ideolog [[nacionalsocializm]]a. Vojenny zločinec, ktory byl odgovorny za zločiny protiv člověčstvu. Hitler jest uznavany kako osoblivo odgovorny za rasovu politiku nacističnoj Němcije i smrt milionov ljudij, ubityh podčas jegov vlady, vključajuči [[Holokaust|Holokost]]. Provodžena pod jegovym vodstvom agresivna zagranična politika dovedla do početoka črěz Němcije [[Druga světova vojna|Drugoj světovoj vojny]], v izhode ktoroj izgynulo okolo 50 milionov ljudij. Byl rodženy 20 aprilja 1889 roka v selu Ranshofen bliz Braunau-am-Inna, [[Avstro-Vugrija]]. Umrěl črěz samoubijstvo v svojem bunkeru v [[Berlin]]u pod konec Drugoj světovoj vojny, 30 aprilja 1945 roka. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|pl|Adolf Hitler}} {{Sortovati|Hitler, Adolf}} [[Kategorija:Němečski politiki]] [[Kategorija:Druga světova vojna]] [[Kategorija:Fašizm]] qor2890bbwsiicb84j9d50cmi7l1wr5 0 584 28861 28820 2026-07-16T12:12:27Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28861 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | conventional_long_name = Islamsky Emirat Afganistan | common_name = Afganistan | native_name = <div class="center">{{Unbulleted list|{{Jezyky|ps|د افغانستان اسلامي امارت}}<br />{{-|{{Small|Də Afġānistān Islāmī Imārat}}}}|{{Jezyky|fa|امارت اسلامی افغانستان}}<br />{{-|{{Small|Imārat-i Islāmī-yi Afğānistān}}}}}}</div> | image_flag = Flag of Taliban.svg | flag_caption = Flag | image_coat = Arms of the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan.svg | alt_coat = Gerb Islamskogo Emirata<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://law.acku.edu.af/fa/download/file/fa/12686/77746 |title=Document 77746 |access-date=17 September 2021 |archive-date=3 June 2019 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20190603201955/http://law.acku.edu.af/fa/download/file/fa/12686/77746 |url-status=dead}}</ref> | symbol_type = Gerb | national_motto = {{Lang|ar|لا إله إلا الله، محمد رسول الله}}<br/>Lā ʾilāha ʾillā llāh, Muhammadun rasūlu llāh<br/> "There is no god but [[God in Islam|God]]; [[Muhamad]] is the messenger of God." (''[[Shahadah]]'') | national_anthem = {{Lang|ps|دا د باتورانو کور}}<br />{{-|"Dā Də Bātorāno Kor"}}<br />"To jest dom odvažnyh"<ref>{{Cite news |last=Tharoor |first=Ishaan |date=19 June 2013 |title=The Taliban's Qatar Office: Are Prospects for Peace Already Doomed? |magazine=[[Time (magazine)|Time]] |url=https://world.time.com/2013/06/19/the-talibans-qatar-office-are-prospects-for-peace-already-doomed/ |access-date=19 August 2021 |issn=0040-781X |archive-date=19 August 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210819021327/https://world.time.com/2013/06/19/the-talibans-qatar-office-are-prospects-for-peace-already-doomed/ |url-status=live }}</ref> | image_map = {{Switcher|[[Fajl:Afghanistan (orthographic projection).svg|upright=1.15|frameless]]|Show globe|[[Fajl:Afghanistan - Location Map (2013) - AFG - UNOCHA.svg|upright=1.15|frameless]]|Show map of Afghanistan}} | capital = [[Kabul]] | coordinates = {{Coord|34|31|N|69|11|E|region:AF_source:geonames|display=inline,title}} | largest_city = [[Kabul]] | official_languages = [[Jeyzk Pašto|Pašto]] • [[Jezyk Dari|Dari]] | ethnic_groups = {{Unbulleted list | 42% [[Pashtun]] | 27% [[Tajiks|Tajik]] | {{Figure space}}9% [[Hazaras|Hazara]] | {{Figure space}}9% [[Uzbeks|Uzbek]] | {{Figure space}}4% [[Aimaq people|Aimaq]] | {{Figure space}}3% [[Turkmen people|Turkmen]] | {{Figure space}}2% [[Baloch people|Baloch]] | {{Figure space}}4% [[Ethnic groups in Afghanistan|other]] }} | ethnic_groups_ref = {{Efn|The last census in Afghanistan was conducted in 1979, and was itself incomplete. Due to the [[Afghan conflict|ongoing conflict]] in the country, no official census has been conducted since.<ref name="Population Matters" />}}<ref name="reliefweb.int">{{Cite web |url=https://reliefweb.int/report/afghanistan/afghan-ethnic-groups-brief-investigation |via=ReliefWeb |publisher= NATO CFC |title=Afghan Ethnic Groups: A Brief Investigation |date=14 August 2011 |access-date=18 September 2021 |archive-date=18 September 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210918053054/https://reliefweb.int/report/afghanistan/afghan-ethnic-groups-brief-investigation |url-status=live }}</ref> | ethnic_groups_year = 2010 unofficial estimates | religion = {{Tree list}} * 99.9% [[Islam in Afghanistan|Islam]] ** 89.1% [[Sunni Islam|Sunni]] ([[State religion|official]])<ref>{{Cite web |title=Afghanistan Country focus |url=https://coi.euaa.europa.eu/administration/easo/PLib/2022_01_EASO_COI_Report_Afghanistan_Country_focus.pdf |publisher=[[European Union Agency for Asylum]] |access-date=22 February 2025 |date=January 2022}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Kawa |first1=Amin |title=Taliban's Opposition to Islamic Sects; Nadeem: "All Afghans Are Followers of the Hanafi Denomination" |url=https://8am.media/eng/talibans-opposition-to-islamic-sects-nadeem-all-afghans-are-followers-of-the-hanafi-denomination/ |access-date=22 February 2025 |work=Hasht e Subh Daily |date=18 December 2023}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Siddique |first1=Abubakar |last2=Khosrow |first2=Mansour |title=Afghanistan's Shi'ite Minority Suffers 'Systematic Discrimination' Under Taliban Rule |url=https://www.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-shiite-persecution-discrimination/32507042.html |access-date=22 February 2025 |work=[[Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty]] |date=17 July 2023}}</ref> ** 10.8% [[Shia Islam in Afghanistan|Shia]] * 0.1% [[Religion in Afghanistan|other]] {{Tree list/end}} | religion_ref = <ref>{{Cite web |title=Afghanistan |url=https://www.thearda.com/world-religion/national-profiles?u=1c |access-date=9 February 2025 |website=[[The Association of Religion Data Archives]] |language=en-gb}}</ref> | demonym = [[Afghans|Afghan]]{{Efn|Other demonyms that have been used are Afghani,<ref>Dictionary.com. [[The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language]], Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghani Reference.com] {{Webarchive|url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160303185738/http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghani |date=3 March 2016 }} (Retrieved 13 November 2007).</ref> Afghanese and Afghanistani (see [[Afghans]] for further details)<ref>Dictionary.com. [[WordNet]] 3.0. [[Princeton University]]. [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghanistani Reference.com] (Retrieved 13 November 2007). {{Webarchive |url=https://web.archive.org/web/20140328102257/http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/afghanistani |date=28 March 2014}}</ref>|name="Demonym"|group="Note"}}<ref>{{Cite web|title=Constitution of Afghanistan|url=https://www.afghanembassy.us/about-afghanistan/constitution/|year=2004|access-date=16 February 2013|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160920112856/http://www.afghanembassy.us/about-afghanistan/constitution/|archive-date=20 September 2016|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book |title=Afghan {{!}} meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary |publisher=the Cambridge English Dictionary |isbn=9781107660151 |url=https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/afghan |access-date=27 March 2020 |archive-date=3 March 2021 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20210303180827/https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/afghan |url-status=live }}</ref> | government_type = [[Unitarna država|Unitarny]] totalitarny<ref> *{{Cite journal |last1=Sakhi |first1=Nilofar |title=The Taliban Takeover in Afghanistan and Security Paradox |journal=[[Journal of Asian Security and International Affairs]] |date=December 2022 |volume=9 |issue=3 |pages=383–401 |doi=10.1177/23477970221130882 |quote=Afghanistan is now controlled by a militant group that operates out of a totalitarian ideology. |issn = 2347-7970}} *{{Cite web |last1=Madadi |first1=Sayed |title=Dysfunctional centralization and growing fragility under Taliban rule |url=https://www.mei.edu/publications/dysfunctional-centralization-and-growing-fragility-under-taliban-rule |website=[[Middle East Institute]] |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=6 September 2022 |quote=In other words, the centralized political and governance institutions of the former republic were unaccountable enough that they now comfortably accommodate the totalitarian objectives of the Taliban without giving the people any chance to resist peacefully. |archive-date=28 November 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221128205909/https://www.mei.edu/publications/dysfunctional-centralization-and-growing-fragility-under-taliban-rule |url-status=live }} *{{Cite web |last1=Sadr |first1=Omar |title=Afghanistan's Public Intellectuals Fail to Denounce the Taliban |url=https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/omar-sadr-afghanistan-taliban-rule-totalitarianism-human-rights-news-2441/ |website=Fair Observer |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=23 March 2022 |quote=The Taliban government currently installed in Afghanistan is not simply another dictatorship. By all standards, it is a totalitarian regime. |archive-date=23 March 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220323115118/https://www.fairobserver.com/region/central_south_asia/omar-sadr-afghanistan-taliban-rule-totalitarianism-human-rights-news-2441/ |url-status=live }} *{{Cite web |title=Dismantlement of the Taliban regime is the only way forward for Afghanistan |url=https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/dismantlement-of-the-taliban-regime-is-the-only-way-forward-for-afghanistan/ |website=[[Atlantic Council]] |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=8 September 2022 |quote=As with any other ideological movement, the Taliban's Islamic government is transformative and totalitarian in nature. |archive-date=28 November 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20221128205911/https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/southasiasource/dismantlement-of-the-taliban-regime-is-the-only-way-forward-for-afghanistan/ |url-status=live }} *{{Cite web |last=Akbari |first=Farkhondeh |title=The Risks Facing Hazaras in Taliban-ruled Afghanistan |url=https://extremism.gwu.edu/risks-facing-hazaras-taliban-ruled-afghanistan |website=[[George Washington University]] |access-date=28 November 2022 |date=7 March 2022 |quote=In the Taliban's totalitarian Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, there is no meaningful political inclusivity or representation for Hazaras at any level. |archive-date=14 January 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230114164914/https://extremism.gwu.edu/risks-facing-hazaras-taliban-ruled-afghanistan |url-status=dead }}</ref> [[Teocratičny|teokratičny]] [[Islam]]sky [[emirat]]<!--Non-monarchical emirate--><ref> *{{Cite news |last=Bezhan |first=Frud |title=Key Figures In The Taliban's New Theocratic Government |url=https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-government-figures/31448372.html |access-date=6 February 2022 |work=[[Radio Farda]] |publisher=[[Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty]] |date=7 September 2021 |archive-date=6 February 2022 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220206103928/https://gandhara.rferl.org/a/afghanistan-taliban-government-figures/31448372.html |url-status=live }} *{{Cite news |last=George |first=Susannah |title=Inside the Taliban campaign to forge a religious emirate |url=https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/afghanistan-taliban-islamic-law-rights/ |access-date=19 February 2023 |newspaper=[[The Washington Post]] |date=18 February 2023 |archive-date=18 February 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230218082415/https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2023/afghanistan-taliban-islamic-law-rights/ |url-status=live }}</ref> | leader_title1 = [[Supreme Leader of Afghanistan|Supreme Leader]] | leader_name1 = {{Nowrap|[[Hibatullah Akhundzada]]}} | leader_title2 = [[Prime Minister of Afghanistan|Prime Minister]] | leader_name2 = [[Hasan Akhund]] ([[Acting prime minister|acting]]) | leader_title3 = [[Chief Justice of Afghanistan|Chief Justice]] | leader_name3 = [[Abdul Hakim Haqqani]] | legislature = None{{Efn|Afghanistan is a pure [[autocracy]], with all law ultimately originating from the supreme leader. Consensus rule was initially used among the Taliban, but was phased out as the supreme leader monopolized control in the months following the 2021 return to power.<ref>{{Cite web |author1=T. S. Tirumurti |title=Letter dated 25 May 2022 from the Chair of the Security Council Committee established pursuant to resolution 1988 (2011) addressed to the President of the Security Council |url=https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/3975071/files/S_2022_419-EN.pdf?ln=en |publisher=[[United Nations Security Council]] |access-date=2 May 2023 |date=26 May 2022}}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Kraemer |first1=Thomas |title=Afghanistan dispatch: Taliban leaders issue new orders on law-making process, enforcement of court orders from previous government |url=https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/11/afghanistan-dispatch-taliban-leaders-issue-new-orders-on-law-making-process-enforcement-of-court-orders-from-previous-government/ |access-date=1 May 2023 |work=[[JURIST]] |date=27 November 2022 |archive-date=17 January 2024 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20240117233605/https://www.jurist.org/news/2022/11/afghanistan-dispatch-taliban-leaders-issue-new-orders-on-law-making-process-enforcement-of-court-orders-from-previous-government/ |url-status=live }}</ref><ref>{{Cite news |last1=Dawi |first1=Akmal |title=Unseen Taliban Leader Wields Godlike Powers in Afghanistan |url=https://www.voanews.com/a/unseen-taliban-leader-wields-godlike-powers-in-afghanistan-/7026112.html |access-date=1 May 2023 |publisher=[[Voice of America]] |date=28 March 2023 |archive-date=13 April 2023 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20230413041049/https://www.voanews.com/a/unseen-taliban-leader-wields-godlike-powers-in-afghanistan-/7026112.html |url-status=live }}</ref> There is an advisory [[Leadership Council of Afghanistan|Leadership Council]], however its role is in question as the supreme leader has not convened it for many months ({{As of|lc=y|2023|03|post=),}} and increasingly rules by decree.<ref>{{Cite journal |author1=Oxford Analytica |author1-link=Oxford Analytica |title=Senior Afghan Taliban figures move to curb leader |journal=Expert Briefings |series=Emerald Expert Briefings |date=10 March 2023 |volume=oxan-db |issue=oxan-db |doi=10.1108/OXAN-DB276639 |quote=[Akhundzada] has not convened the Taliban's Leadership Council (a 'politburo' of top leaders and commanders) for several months. Instead, he relies on the narrower Kandahar Council of Clerics for legal advice.}}</ref>}} | sovereignty_type = [[History of Afghanistan|Formation]] | established_event1 = [[Hotak dynasty|Hotak Emirate]] | established_date1 = 21 April 1709 | established_event2 = {{Nowrap|[[Durrani Empire]]}} | established_date2 = June 1747 | established_event3 = [[Emirate of Afghanistan|Barakzai Emirate]] | established_date3 = 1823 | established_event4 = [[Dost Mohammad Khan|Dost Mohammad unites Afghanistan]] | established_date4 = [[Herat campaign of 1862–1863|27 May 1863]] | established_event5 = [[Third Anglo-Afghan War|Independence]] | established_date5 = [[Afghan Independence Day|19 August 1919]] | established_event6 = [[Kingdom of Afghanistan|Kingdom]] | established_date6 = 9 June 1926 | established_event7 = [[Republic of Afghanistan (1973–1978)|Republic]] | established_date7 = [[1973 Afghan coup d'état|17 July 1973]] | established_event8 = [[Democratic Republic of Afghanistan|Democratic Republic]] | established_date8 = [[Saur Revolution|27–28 April 1978]] | established_event9 = [[Islamic State of Afghanistan|Islamic State]] | established_date9 = 28 April 1992 | established_event10 = [[Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001)|Islamic Emirate]] | established_date10 = 27 September 1996 | established_event11 = {{Nowrap|[[Islamic Republic of Afghanistan|Islamic Republic]]}} | established_date11 = 26 January 2004 | established_event12 = [[Fall of Kabul (2021)|Restoration of Islamic Emirate]] | established_date12 = 15 August 2021 | area_km2 = 652,867<ref>Central Statistics Office Afghanistan</ref> | area_rank = 40 | area_sq_mi = 252,072 | percent_water = negligible | population_estimate = 36–50 milionov | population_estimate_year = Jul 2024 | population_estimate_rank = 36 | population_density_km2 = {{#expr: 42045000/652867 round 0}} | population_density_sq_mi = {{#expr: 42045000/252072 round 0}} | population_density_rank = | GDP_PPP = {{Increase}} $91.668&nbsp;billion<ref name="IMFWEO.AF">{{Cite web |url=https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WEO/weo-database/2024/October/weo-report?c=512,&s=NGDPD,PPPGDP,NGDPDPC,PPPPC,&sy=2022&ey=2029&ssm=0&scsm=1&scc=0&ssd=1&ssc=0&sic=0&sort=country&ds=.&br=1 |title=World Economic Outlook Database, October 2024 Edition. (Afghanistan) |publisher=[[International Monetary Fund]] |website=www.imf.org |date=22 October 2024 |access-date=27 December 2024}}</ref> | GDP_PPP_year = 2023 | GDP_PPP_rank = | GDP_PPP_per_capita = {{Increase}} $2,174<ref name="IMFWEO.AF"/> | GDP_PPP_per_capita_rank = 179 | GDP_nominal = {{Increase}} $17.329&nbsp;billion<ref name="IMFWEO.AF"/> | GDP_nominal_year = 2023 | GDP_nominal_rank = | GDP_nominal_per_capita = {{Increase}} $411<ref name="IMFWEO.AF"/> | GDP_nominal_per_capita_rank = 190 | HDI = 0.496<!-- number only --> | HDI_year = 2023<!-- Please use the year to which the data refers, not the publication year --> | HDI_change = increase<!-- increase/decrease/steady --> | HDI_ref = <ref name="HDI">{{Cite web|url=https://hdr.undp.org/system/files/documents/global-report-document/hdr2025reporten.pdf|title=Human Development Report 2025 |publisher=[[United Nations Development Programme]]|date=2025|access-date=11 May 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> | HDI_rank = 181 | currency = [[Afgan afghani|Afgani]] ({{Lang|prs|افغانى}}) | currency_code = AFN | time_zone = [[čas Afghanistana]] | utc_offset = +4:30<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html|title=Half Hour and 45-Minute Time Zones|website=timeanddate.com|access-date=23 December 2022|archive-date=15 February 2016|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160215203607/https://www.timeanddate.com/time/time-zones-interesting.html|url-status=live}}</ref><br />[[lunny kalendar Hidžri]]<ref>{{Cite news |date=26 March 2022 |title=Taliban Changes Solar Year to Hijri Lunar Calendar |url=https://8am.af/eng/taliban-changes-solar-year-to-hijri-lunar-calendar/ |access-date=4 September 2022 |work=Hasht-e Subh Daily |url-status=dead |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20220904224713/https://8am.af/eng/taliban-changes-solar-year-to-hijri-lunar-calendar/ |archive-date=4 September 2022}}</ref> | drives_on = right | cctld = [[.af|.af]] | religion_year = 2020 | today = }} '''Afganistan''', služebno '''Islamsky Emirat Afganistan''' jest [[država]] v Aziji. Graniči s [[Pakistan]]om na jugu i iztoku (granica s [[India|Indijeju]] jest sporna), [[Iran]]om na zapadu, [[Turkmenistan]]om, [[Uzbekistan]]om i [[Tadžikistan]]om na sěveru, i [[Kitaj]]em v dalekom sěveroiztoku.<ref name="cia">{{Cite web |url=https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html |title=Afghanistan |work=CIA - The World Factbook |accessdate=30 August 2011 |archive-date=9 July 2016 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160709035637/https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html |url-status=dead }}</ref> [[Kabul]] jest [[Stolica|glavnym gradom]]. Afganistanom aktualno vladaje [[Taliban]], vslěd kolapsa medžunarodno uznanoj Islamskoj republiky Afganistan 15 avgusta 2021. V stare časy, ljudi sut prohodili črez Afganistan s životnymi i drugim tovarom, dakle on sjedinjaje [[Kitaj]] i [[Indija|Indiju]] s [[Centralna Azija|Centralnoju Azijeju]] i [[Blizky vostok|Blizkim izhodom]]. V pozdějši časy, Afganistan byl stresenny od mnogyh lět vojn. Ne jest mnogo rabotnyh měst v njem. Država imaje priblizno 652,226 km² povrhnji. V Afganistanu sut 40.976 milionov judij. V Pakistanu i Iranu sut okolo 3 milionov Afganskyh bežencov, ktore museli opustiti krajinu. Na 2011 g. [[Kabul]] iměl priblizbo 3,691,400 obyvateljev.<ref name="cso.gov.af">{{Cite web |url=http://cso.gov.af/Content/files/2-2.pdf |title=Settled Population by Province |access-date=2012-06-30 |archive-date=2016-04-29 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20160429231515/http://cso.gov.af/Content/files/2-2.pdf |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Zemjepis == [[Fajl:Black Hawk flying over a valley in Bamyan.jpg|left|thumb|Zasněžene gory Koh-i-Baba v provinciji Bamjan Afganistana]] Afganistan imaje mnogo [[Gory|gor]]. Gory nazyvajut se [[Hindu Kuš]] i [[Himalaje]]. Najvysšeju goroju v Afganistanu jest [[Nošak|Gora Nošak]]. Imaje [[Ravnina|ravniny]] (s glinoju, godnnoju za izrastanje rastlin) i [[podgorje]]. Čest krajiny jest takože suhoju, osoblivo [[pustynja Registan]]. Afganistan imaje sněg i [[lednik]]y v gorah. Rěka [[Amudarja|Amu Darja]] jest veliky vodny potok. ==Linky i referencije== {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tutoj članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Afghanistan|Afghanistan]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Afghanistan&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Aziji]] rn0027ohnbd0gihiqoiut4brmzxmo8l 0 585 28862 3310 2026-07-16T12:12:33Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28862 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Afrihili | nativename = {{-|Ɛl-Afrihili}} | creator = K.A. Kumi Attobrah | created = 1970 | script = [[latinica]] | family = * [[Umětne jezyky]] ** [[Zonalny pomočny jezyk|Zonalne pomočne jezyky]] *** Na osnově različnyh jezykov [[Afrika|Afriky]] | iso2 = afh | iso3 = afh }} '''Afrihili''' ({{-|''Ni Afrihili Oluga''}} «jezyk afrihili») jest [[Umětne jezyky|umětny]] [[zonalny pomočny jezyk]], stvorjeny v 1970 g. [[Gana|ganskym]] inženjerom K.A. Kumi Attobrah ({{-|''Kumi Atɔbra''}}), da by služil kako lingva franka vo vsej [[Afrika|Afrikě]]. Nazva jezyka jest sospoljen​je slov «Afrika» i «[[svahili]]». Avtor, urodženec městnosti Akrokeri ({{-|''Akrokɛri''}}) v Ganě, prvično prišel na ideju stvorjen​ja jezyka podčas morskoj puti od Dovera do Kale. Po jegovomu naměru tutoj jezyk iměl «ukrěpiti jedinstvo i razuměn​je srěd različnyh narodov afrikanskogo kontinenta, snižiti razhody na pečatan​je prěvodov i sprijati trgovan​je.» Jezyk byl zamysljeny tako, da by afrikancam byl legky za učen​je. Slovosbor sodrživaje slova vzete iz različnyh afrikanskyh jezykov, a takože slova iz drugyh izvorov, ktore jednakože sut «natoliko afrikanizovane, že uže ne izdavajut se čudžimi». Mimohodom, avtor ne podavaje konkretne etimologije. Fonologija, morfologija i sintaksa takože sut osnovane na raznyh afrikanskyh jezykah, osoblivo [[svahili]] i [[akan]]. Govoriteljam [[Indoevropejske jezyky|indoevropejskyh jezykov]] gramatika jezyka afrihili može izdavati se složenoju, ibo sodrživaje mnogo specifičnyh afrikanskyh elementov, napriklad upotrěbjen​je infiksov. Interesno svojstvo jezyka jest to, že vse imenniky načinajut se od samoglasky i končet se na samoglaskě, takto legko jest odličati imenniky od drugyh čestij molvy. Množina tvori se zaměnoju početnoj samoglasky. Afrihili piše se [[Latinica|latinskym pismom]] s dvoma dodanymi samoglaskami '''Ɛ ɛ''' i '''Ɔ ɔ''', ktore sut harakteristične někojim zapadnoafrikanskym jezykam, napr. akan, [[ewe]], [[joruba]] (v [[Benin]]u) i [[lingala]], i izgovorjene kako {{MFA|ɛ}} i {{MFA|ɔ}}. Sut sedm samoglasok ('''{{-|a ɛ e i ɔ o u}}''') i 21 suglasku ('''{{-|p t ch k, b d j g, m n ny, f s sh h, v z, l r y w}}'''), izgovorjene kako v [[Anglijsky jezyk|anglijskom]]: '''{{-|ch}}''' {{MFA|t͡ʃ}}, '''{{-|sh}}''' {{MFA|ʃ}}, '''{{-|j}}''' {{MFA|d͡ʒ}}, '''{{-|y}}''' {{MFA|j}}. Jezyk ne imaje tony, a udarjen​je vsegda jest na prědposlědnjej samoglaskě. Vozklicalny znak nahodi se na početku rěčen​ja, pytalny znak na koncu. Ne jest znano koliko ljudij vladaje jezykom afrihili. Suglasno věsti v {{-|''«African Research Bulletin»''}} okolo tyseča ljudij učili se afrihili v neutočnjenom stupnju, «nagrady byli priznane najlěpšim studentam novogo jezyka v 1970, 1974, 1978 i 1982 lětah» i ekzemplar gramatiky iměla byti podarovany prědsědniku [[Organizacija afrikanskogo jedinstva|Organizacije afrikanskogo jedinstva]], ale dalših odnošenij do afrihili nikogda ne bylo poslě toj publikcije.<ref>{{-|Annis}} (2014), str. 3.</ref> == Priklad == {{-|'''Afrihili yɛ oluga olawunten lilɛdabwa paasa pe du ni aluga na aluganda pe Afrika tɛ du ni ense pe ni awusinu ababan.'''}}<ref>{{Cite news | url = http://www.rogerblench.info/Language%20data/Africa/General/Afrihili%20brochure.pdf | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20081011044605/http://www.rogerblench.info/Language%20data/Africa/General/Afrihili%20brochure.pdf | archive-date = 2008-10-11 | title = Ni Epengi. Ni Afrihili ufreri / The Sun. The Afrihili Newsletter | issue = No. 1 | year = 1971}}</ref><br /> ''Afrihili jest novy medžunarodny jezyk, iztvorjeny iz vsih jezykov i dialektov Afriky za vse narody Velikogo kontinenta.'' == Literatura == * {{Cite book | first = K.A. Kumi | last = Attobrah | title = Ni Afrihili Oluga. The African Continental Language | year = 1970}} * {{Cite journal | url = https://fiatlingua.org/2014/04/ | title = Afrihili: An African Interlanguage | first = William S. | last = Annis | journal = Fiat Lingua (aprilj 2014) | year = 2014 | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://lingweenie.org/conlang/afrihili/ | first = William S. | last = Annis | title = Afrihili Notes | website = lingweenie.org | language = en}} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Umětne jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Umětne jezyky]] 2sjjpnrbc62ynxgp1h6bk6bqx2qh02f 0 586 28863 3318 2026-07-16T12:12:40Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28863 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Topography of africa.png|thumb|Reliefna karta Afriky]] '''Afrika''' jest kontinent, ktory razom s [[Evropa|Evropoju]] i [[Azija|Azijeju]] tvori [[Stary Svět]]. Ona jest vtory največši kontinent. Graniči so [[Srědzemnym morje]]m s sěvera, [[Atlantičny Okean|Atlantičnym okeanom]] s zapada, [[Južny okean|Južnym okeanom]] s juga i [[Indijsky Okean|Indijskym okeanom]] s vozhoda. Povrh Afriky jest 30,37 mln km² (okolo 20% povrha vsej zemje). Krajnym punktom na sěveru jest mys Běly (37°25′N), na jugu mys Agulhas (34°51′S), na zapadu mys Almadi (17°33′W), a na vozhodu mys Hafun (51°23′E) ili vozhodny brěg Sokotry (54°28′E). Najvysšim vrhom v Afrikě jest [[Kilimandžaro]] v [[Tanzanija|Tanzanije]] (5985 m). Druge gorske lance sut Atlas v [[Maroko|Maroku]], [[Tunezija|Tuneziji]] i [[Alžir]]u (najvysšy vrh Džabal Tubkal - 4167 m), Tibesti v [[Čad]]u i [[Libija|Libiji]] (najvysšy vrh Emi Kussi - 3415 m) i Drakonove Gory v [[Južnoafrikanska republika|Južnoafrikanskoj republikě]], [[Lesoto|Lesotu]] i [[Esvatini]] (najvysšy vrh 3428 m). == Državy Afriky == {{Div col | colwidth = 15em | content = * [[Alžir]] * [[Angola]] * [[Benin]] * [[Botsvana]] * [[Brěg Slonovoj kosti]] * [[Burkina Faso]] * [[Burundi]] * [[Čad]] * [[Centralnoafrikanska republika]] * [[Demokratična republika Kongo]] * [[Džibuti]] * [[Egipt]] * [[Ekvatorna Gvineja]] * [[Eritrea]] * [[Esvatini]] * [[Etiopija]] * [[Gabon]] * [[Gambija]] * [[Ghana]] * [[Gvinea]] * [[Gvineja Bissau]] * [[Južny Sudan]] * [[Kabo-Verde]] * [[Kamerun]] * [[Kenija]] * [[Komory]] * [[Kongo]] * [[Lesoto]] * [[Liberija]] * [[Libija]] * [[Madagaskar]] * [[Malavi]] * [[Mali]] * [[Maroko]] * [[Mavritanija]] * [[Mavricij]] * [[Mozambik]] * [[Namibija]] * [[Niger]] * [[Nigerija]] * [[Ostrovy svetogo Tomy i Principi]] * [[Južnoafrikanska republika]] * [[Senegal]] * [[Sejšely]] * [[Sierra Leone]] * [[Somalija]] * [[Sudan]] * [[Tanzanija]] * [[Togo]] * [[Tunezija]] * [[Uganda]] * [[Zambija]] * [[Zimbabve]] }} [[Kategorija:Afrika| ]] [[Kategorija:Kontinenty]] ax2am43wiskqwni9f3ne24ovvgcbwn8 0 587 28864 3329 2026-07-16T12:12:46Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28864 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Agape_feast_03.jpg | thumb | Freska izobražajuča slavjenje «agape», v katakombah sv. Petra i Marcelina v [[Rim]]u]] '''Agape''' ([[Starogrečsky jezyk|s.-greč.]] {{-|ἀγάπη}}) jest «vyšnoju formoju ljubvi, milosrdja» i «[[ljubov]]ju Boga [do ljudij] i [ljudij] do Boga».<ref name="LiddellScott-1901">{{Cite book|first1=Henry George|last1=Liddell|first2=Robert|last2=Scott|title=A Greek-English Lexicon|chapter=ἀγάπη|year=1901|location=Oxford|publisher=Clarendon Press|page=[https://archive.org/details/greekenglishlex00lidduoft/page/6/mode/1up 6]}}</ref> To čuvstvo jest odlično od [[Filija|filije]], bratskoj ljubvi, i [[Filavtija|filavtije]], ljubvi do sebe, pokoliku sodrživaje v sobě silnu žrtvenu ljubov, odolěvajuča vse ogradženja i shranjaje se nezavisno od uslovij. Glagolny vid tutogo slova strěčaje se ješče u [[Homer]]a i doslovno prěkladaje se kako «[[privezanost]]», napriklad «privitati s něžnostju» abo «projavjati něžnost do mrtvogo».<ref name="LiddellScott-1901"/> Drugi antični avtori sut koristali tuto slovo za označenje ljubvi do supruga abo rodiny, a takože privezanosti do někakogo zajetja, odlično od [[Eros (koncepcija)|erosa]] (privezanost seksualnogo haraktera). V [[Novy Zavět|Novom Zavětu]] agape jest ljubovju Boga do ljudij, izrěčena v zavětu, a takože vzajemna ljubov ljudij do Boga; tutoj termin obvezno označaje ljubov do bližnjego.<ref name="LiddellScott-1901"/> Něktori moderni avtori pokušali se razprostranjati koristanje termina «agape» na nereligiozne konteksty. Termin «agape» široko izučaje se v hristijanskom kontekstu<ref>{{Citation|author-link=Anders Nygren|last=Nygren|first=Anders|orig-date=1938–39|year=1953|title=Eros and Agape|title-link=Agape and Eros|translator-first=P.S.|translator-last=Watson|publisher=Harper & Row}}</ref>. Ono takože razgledaje se v kontekstu drugyh religij<ref>{{Cite book | last=Templeton | first=John | author-link=John Templeton|title=Agape Love: Tradition In Eight World Religions|url=https://books.google.com/books?id=vQM8mKPjGgcC | publisher=Templeton Foundation Press | date=1999 | isbn=978-1-890151-29-4}}</ref>, religioznoj etiky<ref>{{Cite journal|last1=Grant|first1= Colin|date=1996 |title=For the Love of God: Agape|journal=Journal of Religious Ethics|volume=4| issue=10|jstor=40016679|pages=3–21}}</ref> i nauky. == Rannje upotrěbjenje == V «Leksikonu {{-|Liddella–Scotta–Jonesa|Лидделла-Скотта-Джонса}}» ({{-|LSJ}}) privodi se množstvo prikladov upotrěbjenja slova «agape» v politeističnoj grečskoj literaturě. Uděljajut se tri osnovne značenja: 1) «privitati s ljubovju», 2) «ljubiti, cěniti, želati» i 3) «byti zadovoljenym». Kromě togo, v leksikonu Bauera spominaje se nagrobny nadpis, ktory, věrojetno, je posvečeny oficeru politeističnoj armije, posluživajučemu se «velikym považenjem» u svojej krajiny<ref>{{Cite book|last1=Danker|first1=Frederick William|title=A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature|date=2001|publisher=University of Chicago Press}}</ref>. == Žrla == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Agape|}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Ljubov]] es4y0h4jbxlpwk6lugs5hljsn4yxuuk 0 588 28865 3337 2026-07-16T12:12:52Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28865 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2026-04}}[[Fajl:T.H.Huxley(Woodburytype).jpg|thumb|{{LatCyr|Thomas Henry Huxley|Томас Хенри Хаксли||1}}, tvorec terminu ''agnosticizm.'']] '''Agnosticizm''' - [[Filozofija|filozofsko]] gledišče, soglasno ktoromu nyně nemožlivo je kompletno poznanje realnosti. V religioznom kontekstu agnosticizm označaje nemožlivost dověděnja se, či Bog ili bogi jestvujut, ili ne. Osoboju, ktora vvedla termin ''agnosticizm'', je {{LatCyr|Thomas Henry Huxley|Томас Хенри Хаксли||1}}. Agnosticizm prijmaje razne formy, i tak agnostik može byti [[Ateizm|ateistom]], [[Teizm|teistom]] ili nijednym iz njih. {{LatCyr|Bertrand Russell|Бертранд Рассел||1}} v brošurě "Kto to je agnostik?" stvrdil, že hristijani tvrdet, že věmo, že Bog je, ateisti – že věmo, že Boga nema, a agnostiki prijmajut, že ne ima dostatočnyh podstav, aby potvrditi jestvovanje Boga ili mu zaprěčiti. [[Kategorija:Kratke članky]] [[Kategorija:Filozofija]] [[Kategorija:Religija]] pqzrxonvulbmsfw1ugwkm8bzdwi4lzd 0 589 28866 3389 2026-07-16T12:12:58Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28866 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Phase change - isv.png|thumbnail|350 px|right|Glavne fazove transformacije, imajuči se v prirodě]] Sut četyri glavne '''agregatne stanja''' [[Materija|materije]] ('''fazy''') vo [[Vsesvět]]u: [[tvrdo tělo]], [[tekutina]], [[gaz]] i [[plazma]]. Agregatno stanje vlivaje na svojstva substancije. Priměrami takyh svojstv budut [[gustota]] (kak težka jest jednotka jej objema), [[teglivost]] (kak dobro ona teče), [[kovnost]] (kak legko jest ju sgybati) ili [[provodnost]] (kak dobro ona provodi električnost). Prěměny medžu agregatnymi stanjami sut često obratime. == Glavne agregatne stanja == === Tvrdo tělo === V ''tvrdom stanju'' pozicije atomov sut zakrěpjene odnosno jedna drugoj podčas dolgogo vrěmene. Tak to jest blagodare [[Kohezija|koheziji]] ili "trěnju" medžu [[molekula]]mi. Kohezija zabezpečaje se metaličnymi, kovalentnymi ili ionnymi svezami. Samo ''tvrde těla'' mogut byti izpihnute siloju bez prěměnjanja formy, čto označaje, že oni mogut byti odpornymi protiv [[Deformacija|deformacije]]. Tvrde těla takože imajut sklonnost byti dost silnymi da by nehali svoju vlastnu formu v kontejneru. Tvrde těla sut obyčno vyše guste, než tekutiny (izključenjami sut tekuče bismut {{-|Bi}} i voda {{Hem2|H2O}}, ktore sut vyše guste v tekučem stanju). Kogda tvrda těla stavajut se gazom, tomu govoret [[sublimacija]]. === Tekutina === V ''tekutině'' molekuly pritegajut se jedna ko drugoj dost silno, da by medžu njimi byl kontakt, ale ne dost silno, da by konkretna struktura trajala se. Molekuly mogut bezprěryvno dvigati se odnosno sebe. Tuto označaje, že tekutiny mogut gladko tekti, ale ne tako gladko, kako gazy. Tekutiny budut iměti sklonnost prijeti formu kontejnera, v ktorom oni se nahodet. Tekutiny sut obyčno menje guste, než tvrde těla, ale sut vyše guste, než gaz. === Gaz === V ''gazu'' hemične svezy ne sut dost silne da by zadržali atomy vměstu, i zato gaz jest sbirkoju nezavisnyh, nesvezanyh molekul, ktore vzajemodějstvujut glavo črěz natolkanje se. Gazy prijmajut formu svojego kontejnera, i sut menje guste, než tvrde těla ili tekutiny. Gazy imajut slabějše sily priteganja než tvrde těla i tekutiny. Kogda gaz bezposrědno stavaje se tvrdym, toj proces nazyvaje se [[osadženje]] ili desublimacija. Prikladom osadženja bude inje na oknah v mraznom klimatu. === Plazma === ''Plazmy'' sut gazy, ktore imajut toliko energije, že elektrony atomov ne mogut ostavati se na orbitah vokrug atomnyh jedr. Atomne iony i elektrony měšajut se vkupě kako goreča supa. Zatože pozitivno i negativno nabite čestice ne prilěpjajut se zajedno, plazma jest dobrym [[provoditelj]]em [[električnost]]i. Napriklad, vozduh ne jest dobrym provoditeljem električnosti. Ale, v slučaju [[Blěskavica|blěskavice]], atomy vozduha dostavajut tak mnogo energije, že dalje ne mogut udrživati svoje elektrony i stavajut se plazmoju na kratky čas. Pri tom električny tok može prohoditi črěz plazmu, stvarjajuči blěskavicu. Plazma jest najrazprostranjenym stanjem materije vo Vsesvětu. I [[Zvězda|zvězdy]], i [[medžuzvězdna srěda]] sut glavno stvorjene iz plazmy. == Fazove prěhody == ''Agregatne stanja'' mogut se izměnjati pod vlivom raznyh faktorov. Najčestěje ovymi sut [[temperatura]] i [[pritisk]]. Substancija obyčno stavaje se gazom pri vysokyh temperaturah i/ili nizkyh pritiskah, stavaje se tvrdoju pri nizkyh temperaturah, i stavaje se plazmoju pri krajno vysokyh temperaturah. Substancije često stavajut se tekučimi medžu tvrdym i gazovym stanjami, ale kogda pritisk je velmi nizky (kako [[vakuum]] kosmosa), mnogo substancij mogut prěskočiti tekuču fazu, prěhodeči bezposrědno iz tvrdoj fazy do gaza i obratno. Naučniki sozdavajut grafy, nazyvane [[Fazovy diagram|fazove diagramy]] ili diagramy stanja, ktore pokazyvajut odnošenje medžu pritiskom, temperaturoju i fazami mnogyh substancij. Kogda tvrdo tělo stavaje se tečnym, toj proces se nazyvaje [[topjenje]]. Kogda tekutina stavaje se tvrdoju, to jest [[solidifikacija]] ili zamraženje. Kogda tvrdo tělo se stavaje gazom, tomu govoret [[sublimacija]]. Kogda gaz stavaje se tvrdym, jest to [[desublimacija]] ili osadženje. Kogda tekutina stavaje se gazom, to jest [[izparjenje]] ili vrěnje. Kogda gaz stavaje se tekutinoju, toj proces se nazyvaje [[kondensacija]]. Točka zamraženja i točka topjenja v ravnovažnom stanju mnet se jednakymi, zatože libokako povyšenje temperatury nad tutoj točkoju privede substanciju do topjenja, ako že libokako sniženje temperatury pričini jej zamraženje. Podobno, točky izparjenja i kondensacije (ili točky sublimacije i desublimacije) vsegda sběgajut se. U večšinstva substancij pri povyšenju pritiska točka izparjenja/kondensacije takože povyšaje se, i naopak. Napriměr, točka vrěnja vody povyšaje se, kogda vy idete vyše na goru, zatože pritisk se stavaje nizšim. Toj svez za zamraženje i topjenje može idti raznymi směrami, v zavisnosti na substanciji. == Druge stanja == V osoblivyh uslovjah mogut jestvovati mnogo drugyh stanij materije, vključno ''strannoj materije'', ''supertvrdogo stanja'', i, eventualno, ''strunno-mrěžnoj tekutiny''. Naučniki gotovet eksperimenty pri velmi vysokyh ili velmi nizkyh teplotah, da by razvědati veče o fazah materije. === Kondensaty === ''Kondensaty Boze-Ajnštajna'' i ''fermionove kondensaty'' sut fazami materije, ktore prikladajut se k [[Elementarna čestica|česticam]], nazyvanym [[bozon]]ami i [[fermion]]ami, suodnosno (veče než jedin bozon može jestvovati v tojže točkě prostranstva v tojže čas, i toliko jedin fermion može jestvovati v tojže točkě v tuže hvilju). Kondensaty Boze-Ajnštajna i fermionove kondensaty strěčajut se pri nevěrojetno nizkyh temperaturah. Vse čestice takyh kondensatov počinajut dějati kako jedno veliko [[kvantovo stanje]] i zato ne imajut praktično nikako [[trěnje]] ili [[električno suprotivjenje]]. === Izrodžena materija === Kogda v jedru zvězdy skončet se legke elementy (kako [[vodorod]] ili [[helij]]), potrěbne za poddrživanje [[Nuklearno slivanje|slivanja]], jedro bude kolapsovati do vysoko gustogo stanja, ktore nazyvajut ''izrodžena materija''. Vsečto jest upakovano velmi těsno i jedva može dvigati se. Jestli zvězda ne jest prěmnogo težka, ona stavaje se [[Běly karlik|bělym karlikom]]. Vo vyše težkoj zvězdě pritisk jest taky intensivny, že dokonce [[proton]]y i [[elektron]]y sut sgnetene, i ta se stavaje [[Nevtronova zvězda|nevtronovoju zvězdoju]]. === Kvark-gluonove plazmy === [[Proton]]y i [[nevtron]]y, sostavjajuče atomy, skladajut se iz ješče menših čestij, nazyvanyh [[kvark]]y (ktore sut "sklejene" zajedno tako zvanymi "[[gluon]]ami"). Pri nevěrojetno vysokyh temperaturah nad 2 triliona [[Kelvin]]ov kvarky i gluony obračajut se v drugo stanje materije. Ljudi mogut iztvoriti malo množstvo ''kvark-gluonovoj plazmy'' v [[Veliky Hadronovy Kolajder|Velikom Hadronovom Kolajderu]] v {{-|[[CERN]]}}, ale za kratky mig ona se bude ostuditi. === Nadkritične tekutiny === Kogda substancija nahodi se pri dostatočnyh temperaturě i pritisku v jednom času, nazyvanyh [[Kritična točka|kritičnoju točkoju]], ne jest možlivo različati velmi gusty gaz i velmi energetičnu tekutinu. To bude ''nadkritična tekutina'', ktora provodi se obojako kako i tečnost, i gaz. === Svrh-tekutiny === ''Svrh-tekutiny'', s jednoj strany, toliko byvajut pri velmi nizkyh temperaturah, a s drugoj strany, jimi se stavajut jedino několiko substancij kako tekuči [[helij]]. Svrh-tekutiny mogut dělati to, čto ne mogut dělati obyčajne tekutiny, kako tekti nagoru po bočnoj straně čaše i tako iztěkati. == Druge sajty == * {{-|[http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2005/matter.html 2005-06-22, MIT News: MIT physicists create new form of matter] Citat: "... They have become the first to create a new type of matter, a gas of atoms that shows high-temperature superfluidity."}} * {{-|[http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/10/031010075634.htm 2003-10-10, Science Daily: Metallic Phase For Bosons Implies New State Of Matter]}} * {{-|[http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040115074553.htm 2004-01-15, ScienceDaily: Probable Discovery Of A New, Supersolid, Phase Of Matter] Citat: "...We apparently have observed, for the first time, a solid material with the characteristics of a superfluid...but because all its particles are in the identical quantum state, it remains a solid even though its component particles are continually flowing..."}} * {{-|[http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/01/040129073547.htm 2004-01-29, ScienceDaily: NIST/University Of Colorado Scientists Create New Form Of Matter: A Fermionic Condensate]}} *{{-|{{Cite web|url=http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/state.html|title=Phases of Matter|publisher=NASA|accessdate=2011-05-04|archive-date=2009-10-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20091030232541/http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/state.html|url-status=dead}}}} *{{-|{{Cite web |url=http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/Education/Ielect.html |title=Electrons, Ions, and Plasma |publisher=NASA |accessdate=2011-10-08}}}} ==Vnešni linky== {{Prěvod|simple|State of Matter}} {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Fizika]] ia3jtww17arsoh8u9ynldhyildswtcj 0 590 28867 3394 2026-07-16T12:13:04Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28867 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2025-01}} '''Aja-Sofija''' ({{Jezyky|el|Ἁγία Σοφία}}; {{Jezyky|tr|Ayasofya}}) jest mečeta v [[Istanbul]]u i pametnik arhitektury v modernoj [[Turcija|Turciji]]. Byvša patriaršja pravoslavna katedrala. Oficialna nazva na tutdenj — '''velika mečeta Aja-Sofija''' ({{Jezyky|tr|Ayasofya-i Kebir Camii}}). V časy [[Bizantijska imperija|Bizantijskoj imperije]] Sofijska katedrala byla bliz Velikogo palaca Konstantinopola. V 1453 godu po zahvatu grada osmancami katedrala byla obračena v mečetu. Imaje vnutri mnogo nadpisov slovjanskogo i [[Vikingi|vikingskogo]] ([[Varjagi|varjažskogo]]) proizhodženja. ==Iztočniky== <references/> [[Kategorija:Turcija]] [[Kategorija:Budynky]] 6oxggfawsair295uabkyyw3nyyp3jxg 0 592 28868 3400 2026-07-16T12:13:12Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28868 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2023-05}} {{Kartka država | common_name = Albanija | native_name = {{Jezyky|sq|Shqipëri|sq|Shqipëria}} | conventional_long_name = Republika Albanije <br> {{Jezyky|sq|Republika e Shqipërisë}} | image_flag = Flag of Albania.svg | alt_flag = | image_coat = Coat of arms of Albania.svg | national_anthem = [[Himn flagu]] | capital = Tirana | largest_city = Tirana | official_languages = albansky jezyk | government_type = unitarna parlamentska republika | area_km2 = 28748 | area_rank = 140 | percent_water = 4.7 | population_estimate = 2845955<ref>{{Cite web |publisher=Instituti i Statistikës (INSTAT) |title=Popullsia e Shqipërisë |url=https://www.instat.gov.al/media/6849/popullsia_me-_1_janar_2020.pdf |access-date=21 September 2020 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200730205919/https://www.instat.gov.al/media/6849/popullsia_me-_1_janar_2020.pdf |archive-date=30 July 2020 |page=1 |language=sq |date=26 March 2020}}</ref> | population_estimate_year = 2020 | population_census = 2821977<ref name="Population and Housing Census 2011">{{Cite web |publisher=Instituti i Statistikës (INSTAT) |title=Population and Housing Census 2011 |url=https://www.instat.gov.al/media/3058/main_results__population_and_housing_census_2011.pdf |access-date=21 September 2020 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20200826201945/https://www.instat.gov.al/media/3058/main_results__population_and_housing_census_2011.pdf |language=sq |archive-date=26 August 2020}}</ref> | population_census_year = 2011 | currency = [[Albansky lek|lek]] | currency_code = ALL | time_zone = [[Central European Time|CET]] | utc_offset = +1 | time_zone_DST = [[Central European Summer Time|CEST]] | utc_offset_DST = +2 | iso3166code = AL | coordinates = {{Coord|41|19|N|19|49|E|type:city}} }} '''Albanija''', služebno '''Republika Albanije''', jest srědzemna država v južnovzhodnoj [[Evropa|Evrope]] na [[Balkan|Balkanskom poluostrovu]]. Graniči s [[Črna Gora|Črnoju Goroju]] na sěveru, [[Kosovo]]m na sěverovozhodu ([[Srbija|Srbijeju]] po mněńju česti medžunarodnoj občiny), [[Sěverna Makedonija|Sěvernoju Makedonijeju]] na vozhodu i [[Grecija|Grecijeju]] na jugovozhodu. Glavny grad Albanije jest [[Tirana]]. V Albaniji žive 2821977 ljudij (2011).<ref name="Population and Housing Census 2011" /> Albanija jest nezaležna država od 28 novembra 1912. Raněje byla čest [[Osmanska imperija|Osmanskoj imperije]]. == Iztočniky == <references /> {{Državy v Evropě}} [[Kategorija:Državy v Evropě]] 77p708crrx502oco5sojm3zl07rst7f 0 594 28869 3413 2026-07-16T12:13:18Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28869 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Einstein 1921 by F Schmutzer - restoration.jpg|thumb|{{-|Albert Einstein|Алберт Ајнштајн}} v 1921]] {{-|'''Albert Einstein''' (izgovor: ''Albert Ajnštajn'')|'''Алберт Ајнштајн''' ({{Jezyky|de|Albert Einstein}})}}, urodženy [[14 marta]] [[1879]] v [[Ulm]]u, umrl [[18 aprilja]] [[1955]] v [[Princeton|{{-|Princetonu|Принстону}}]]) – [[Teoretična fizika|fizik teoretik]], [[Nobelova Nagrada|noblist]], gradžanin [[Švejcarija|Švejcarije]] i [[SŠA]] [[Němci|němečsko]]-[[Jevreji|jevrejskogo]] proizhodžen‍ja. Profesor raznyh učilišč v Švejcariji, [[Avstro-Vugrija|Avstro-Vugriji]], [[Němcija|Němciji]] i SŠA: Universitet v {{-|Zürichu|Цјуриху}}, Karlov Universitet v [[Praga|Pragě]], Federalna Politehnika v {{-|Zürichu|Цјуриху}}, Berlinsky Universitet i Institut Perspektivnyh Ogledov v {{-|Princetonu|Принстону}}. Byl [[Socializm|socialist]]. {{-|Einstein|Ајнштајн}} revolucionizoval [[Mehanika|mehaniku]] i [[Teorija polja (fizika)|teoriju polja]]. Pomogl v razvoju [[Kvantova mehanika|kvantovoj mehaniky]]. Stvoril [[Specialna teorija odnositeljnosti|specialnu teoriju odnositeljnosti]], ktora ulěpšila [[Klasična mehanika|mehaniku {{-|Newtona|Њутона}}]]. Avtor ravnoznačnosti masy i energije, ktora je izhod specialnoj teorije odnositeljnosti, znana tož kako <math>E = mc^2\,</math>. Stvoril tož [[Generalna teorija odnositeljnosti|generalnu teoriju odnositeljnosti]]. {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Naučniki]] [[Kategorija:Fizika]] [[Kategorija:Němci]] [[Kategorija:Amerikanci]] dlmfyimlnwqkbva177f0cotnc85fix7 0 597 28870 3427 2026-07-16T12:13:24Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28870 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Александр Бачило.jpg|thumb|Aleksandr Bačilo]] {{Začetok|data=2025-08}} '''Aleksandr Gennadjevič Bačilo''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Александр Геннадьевич Бачило}}, 12 avgusta 1959 — 2 avgusta 2022) — [[Rosija|rosijsky]] pisatelj-fantast, scenarist televizijnyh programov, člen [[Sojuz pisateljev Rosije|Sojuza pisateljev Rosije]]. Jego syn rosijsky IT videobloger [[Dmitrij Bačilo]]. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Бачило, Александр Геннадьевич}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Bačilo, Aleksandr}} [[Kategorija:Rosijski pisatelji]] 6qi1exnztaj3x64y5bvnzr766r27y40 0 598 28871 3441 2026-07-16T12:13:31Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28871 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Alexander the Great mosaic (cropped).jpg|200px|right|thumb|Aleksandr na mozaikě Aleksandra]] '''Aleksandr Veliky''' (359 — 323 god do n.e.) byl kralj [[Davna Makedonijа|Davnoj Makedonije]] od 336 goda do n.e. iz dinastije Argeadov, vojenny načelnik, tvoritelj světovoj državy, ktora razpadla se poslě jegovoj smrti. V antičnosti on jest proslavjeny kako jedin iz najvelikyh vojennyh načelnikov v historiji. == Bitvy Aleksandra Velikogo == * [[Bitva pri Heroneji]] (338 god no n.e.) * [[Bitva pri Graniku]] (334 god do n.e.) * [[Bitva pri Issu]] (333 god no n.e.) * [[Bitva pri Gaugamelah]] (331 god do n.e.) * [[Bitva pri Gidaspu]] (325 god do n.e.) [[Kategorija:Antičnost]] [[Kategorija:Greki]] [[Kategorija:Monarhi]] ozjwvkk8yrpdd17j8i8rbq7xidujvcx 0 601 28872 28482 2026-07-16T12:13:37Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28872 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific_prefix = | name = Aleksej Arhipovsky | honorific_suffix = | image =[[Fajl:Alexey Arkhipovsky 1890 (cropped).jpg|center|300px|thumb|Balalaječnik Aleksej Arhipovsky na koncertu v {{-|Togliatti|Тољјати}}]] | image_size = | alt = | caption = Aleksej Arhipovsky | native_name = <div class="center">{{Jezyky|ru|Алексей Витальевич Архиповский}}</div> | native_name_lang = Алексей Витальевич Архипоовский | pronunciation = | birth_name = | birth_date = {{Birth date|1967|05|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Tuapse]] | death_date = | death_place = | death_cause = | body_discovered = | resting_place = | resting_place_coordinates = | monuments = | residence = | other_names = | citizenship = | education = | alma_mater = | occupation = kompozitor, instrumentalist ([[balalajka]]) | years_active = | employer = | organization = | agent = | known_for = | works = | style = [[russka muzika]], <br> [[narodna muzika]], <br> [[džaz]], <br> [[klasična muzika]] | home_town = | salary = | net_worth = | height = <!-- {{height|m=}} --> | weight = <!-- {{convert|weight in kg|kg|lb}} --> | television = | title = | term = | predecessor = | successor = | party = | movement = | opponents = | boards = | criminal_charge = <!-- Criminality parameters should be supported with citations from reliable sources --> | criminal_penalty = | criminal_status = | spouse = Světlana Aleksandrovna, direktor i zvukovy režiser muzikanta<ref name=":0" />, i takože jego glavna pomočnica | partner = | children = syn Ilja Aleksejevič | parents = otec - Vitalij Aleksejevič, elektrogazosvarjatelj<ref name=":0">{{Cite web|ref=artbeat|author=Дмитрий Филатов|title=Гений трёх струн|url=http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|date=2011-11-08|work=Art-Beat Music|access-date=2017-06-10|archive-date=2017-09-06|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170906224018/http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|url-status=live}}</ref>, mati - Ljubov Iljinična, učitelka hemije i biologije<ref name=":1" /> | relatives = | callsign = | awards = | website = {{-|[http://www.arkhipovskiy.com www.arkhipovskiy.com/]}} | module = | module2 = | module3 = | module4 = | module5 = | module6 = | signature = | signature_size = | signature_alt = | footnotes = | box_width = }} '''Aleksej Vitaljevič Arhipovsky''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Алексе́й Вита́льевич Архипо́вский}}, (rod. 15 maja 1967 goda v [[Tuapse]], [[RSFSR]], [[SSSR]]) — sovětsky i rosijsky muzikant i kompozitor, [[Balallajka|balalaječnik]]-[[virtuoz]]. == Životopis == Rodil se v lětu 1967 v Tuapse, v rodině majstra-svarjatelja i učiteljky hemije<ref name=":1">{{Cite web|url=https://www.1tv.ru/shows/poka-vse-doma/vypuski/v-gostyah-u-alekseya-arhipovskogo-poka-vse-doma-vypusk-ot-26-07-2009|title=Передача Первого канала "Пока все дома" с Алексеем Архиповским}}</ref>. V tutom gradu absolvoval 8 klas občej školy i [[Muzikalna škola|muzikalnu školu]] vo klasě [[Balalajka|balalajky]], počel koncertovati i od 15 lět samostojno se prěvezl do Moskvy<ref name=":1" />. Tam postupil i učil se v [[Državno muzikalno učilišče imeni Gněsinyh|Državnom muzikalnom učilišču imeni Gněsinyh]] (oddělěnje narodnyh instrumentov), potom služil v armiji, a po vozvračenju prodolžil učenje se<ref name=":1" /> vo klasě [[Valerij Zažigin|Valerija Evgenjeviča Zažigina]]. V lětu 1985 stal se lavreatom tretego Vsesojuznogo konkursa igrateljev na narodnyh instrumentah. [[Fajl:Alexey Arkhipovsky 1622.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Koncert v {{-|Togliatti|Тољјати}} , 2014]] Od 1989 goda jest žil s rodinoju bliz Smolěnska<ref name=":1" /> i rabotal kako solist v Smolěnskom russkom narodnom orkestru pod dirigovanjem V. P. Dubrovskogo. V lětu 1998 byl pozvanym do [[Ansambl "Rosija"|Državnogo akademičnogo russkogo narodnogo ansambla "Rosija"]] pod voditeljstvom [[Ljudmila Georgijevna Zykina|L. Zykinoj]]. V lětah 2002—2003 počinaje solo karieru, surabotaje s Centrom [[Stas Namin|Stasa Namina]]. Od 2003 goda jest učestnikom ruha "Etnosfera", festivala «[[Festival Mamakabo|Mamakabo]]», ktore prezentovali sučasnu russku muziku, aka ne vhodila v tradicijny format. V lětah 2007—2009 učestvuje v projektu [[Dmitrij Malikov|Dmitrija Malikova]] "Pianomanija", igraje pri otvorjenju [[Medžunarodny kinofestival "Zerkalo"|Prvogo medžunarodnogo kinofestivala "Zerkalo" imeni Andreja Tarkovskogo]] v [[Ivanovo]]m, otvarjaje [[Eurovision 2009|{{-|Eurovision '2009}}]] i [[Olimpijske igry 2010 v Vankuveru]] v Russkom domu. Kako solist, učestvoval v festivalah rosijskoj kultury, ktore konali v [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|SŠA]], [[Kitaj]]u, [[Južna Koreja|Južnoj Koreji]], [[Němcija|Němciji]], [[Francija|Franciji]], [[Španija|Španiji]], [[Bulgarija|Bulgariji]], v džazovyh festivalah v Rosiji i zagraničju. Igral jest vo mnogyh radio i televizijnyh šou, na vladnyh koncertah i samitah. V nedavnyh lětah koncertuje v Rosiji i susědnyh državah. V lětu 2009 byl izpuščen {{-|[[DVD]]}}, vključajuči snimanje koncerta, besědu s muzikantom, odzyvy, bonusy i knižku-vložku s fotografijami iz koncerta. == Osoblivosti igranja i instrumenty == Arhipovsky demonstruje unikalno vladanje tehnikoju igranja ''[[Flageolet|{{-|flageoletami|флажолетами}}]]'', priměnjae mnoge strunne tehniky kako ''tremolo'', ''drob'' i ''{{-|pizzicato|пицикато}}'' ne v jejih akademičnom obliku, ale v směšivanju so staroju školoju i vlastnymi metodami. Na početku 2000-h Arhipovsky počel zamysljati na usiljenje zvučnosti instrumenta<ref name=":2">{{Cite web|url=https://yandex.ru/video/preview/14941177211153872495|title=Главная роль. Алексей Архиповский. Телеканал "Культура", эфир от 08.04.2015}}</ref>. On se obratil ko svojim znajomym gitaristam i pozajel od njih taky sposob izlepšenja akustiky, kako koristanje elektroničnyh devajsov za obrabotanje i usiljenje zvuka. K njim zvuk se dostavaje električno od [[Zvukosnimatelj (muzika)|zvukosnimatelja]], ktory nahodi se na balalajkě. S tutogo gledišča Arhipovskogo jest možlivo nazvati roditeljem elektrobalalajky, ale on sam ne ljubi taku formulaciju i staraje se podtisknuti umětno zvučanje. Od 2007 do 2017 lět Arhipovsky koristal balalajku, sdělanu v lětu 1928 vidnym majstrom Josifom Ignatjevičom Galinisom (1882—1942)<ref>{{Cite web| title = К 125 летию со дня рождения И.И. Галиниса (1882-1942)| url = https://balalaika-master.ru/festival/V/accost3/}}</ref>, ktoru on jest naslědoval od P. I. Nečiporenka po jego smrti. To uže jest vtory instrumement tutogo majstra, na ktorom igraje muzikant. V 2017 godu Arhipovsky jest dostal pisanje, vo ktorom govorilo se, že v Němcije na aukcionu jest izstavjeny instrument od lěta 1902, izrabjeny nedolgo prěd svojeju smrtju «russkym Stradivarijem»<ref name=":2" /> [[Semjonom Ivanovičom Nalimovym]] v sělu Marjinu kde on i [[Vasilij Vasiljevič Andrejev]] prigotovjali se stvarjati [[Velikorussky orkestr V. V. Andrejeva|Velikorussky Orkestr]]. Arhipovsky jest kupil tutu balalajku i vozvratil ju do Rosije. On jest nazval tuty instrument Nalim (imenovati instrumenty jest razprostranjena tradicija medžu muzikantami) i od srědiny 2017 goda igraje na tutoj balalajkě. Jej deka jest sdělana iz [[Jela|jely]], pancyr jest povlačeny lakom, sdělanym podlě izgubjenoj metody. Kako izpovědaje sam muzikant, "tute instrumenty sut brati, ale sut sovršenno različni". Arhipovsky stalo nahodi se v iskanju idealno zvučečigo instrumenta, ktory by mogl zaglušiti digitalizaciju zvuka pri koristanju usilitelja. On jest v těsnom kontaktu so vsemi znamenitymi majstrami balalajky, [[Gitara|gitary]] i akustiky v Rosiji, i regularno kontaktuje německogo gitarnogo majstra. == Rodina == Otec — Vitalij Aleksejevič, elektrogazosvarjatelj<ref name=":0">{{Cite web|ref=artbeat|author=Дмитрий Филатов|title=Гений трёх струн|url=http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|date=2011-11-08|work=Art-Beat Music|access-date=2017-06-10|archive-date=2017-09-06|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20170906224018/http://artbeat.ru/2011/11/08/genij-trex-strun/|url-status=live}}</ref>, majstr-učitel mladyh rabotnikov. V 1960 godu zakončil Leningradsky industrialny tehnikum, pracoval kako inžener-tehnolog na zavodu za remontovanje korabov, igral v orkestru akordeonistov i bajanistov. Mati — Ljubov Iljinična, učitelka hemije i biologije. V 1959 godu zakončila Uralsky državny pedagogičny institut imeni A. S. Puškina.<ref name=":1" /> Žena — Světlana Aleksandrovna, direktor i zvukovy režiser muzikanta<ref name=":0" />, takože jego glavna pomočnica. Syn — Ilja.<ref name=":1" /> == Zrite takože == * [http://www.arkhipovskiy.com/ Сайт Алексея Архиповского] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20160920081148/http://www.etnosfera.su/%D1%83%D1%87%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BD%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8/%D0%B0%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%B5%D0%B9-%D0%B0%D1%80%D1%85%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9/ Проект «Этносфера» с участием Алексея Архиповского] * {{Cite AV media| title = Arhipovsky na {{-|YouTube}}|url = https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Архиповский}} * [http://www.idemvgorod.ru/prm/concerts/aleksej-arxipovskij.html Алексей Архиповский] == Linky i referencije == {{Iztočniky}} == Vnješnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Архиповский, Алексей Витальевич}} [[Kategorija:Kompozitori i muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Muzika]] 8hjv29w089om8z4x12ylmpkr9d7flec 0 602 28873 3478 2026-07-16T12:13:43Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28873 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2026-06}} '''Aleksej Litunov''' jest [[Rosija|rosijsky]] kompozitor, ktory izpolnjaje muziku v žanrě [[Trans (žanr muziky)|Trans]]. Urodženy jest [[28 januara]] [[1984 god|1984]] goda v gradě [[Zelenokumsk]], [[Rosija]]. [[Kategorija:Rusi]] 3d6kni2gu1nzasp1r46kugrhz8llooo 0 603 28874 3484 2026-07-16T12:13:49Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28874 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2024-11}} {| align="right" style="width:310px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#0047AB; color:white; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Aleksej Navaljny<br /><span style="font-weight:normal; font-size:85%;">Алексей Навальный</span> |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Alexey Navalny 2018 (cropped).png|342x342px]]<br /><small>Aleksej Navaljny v 2018 roku</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Biografija |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Rodil se: | 4 junija 1976<br />[[Butyn]], [[Rossija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Umrl: | 16 fevruara 2024 (47 lět)<br />[[Harp]], [[Rossija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Žena: | Julija Navaljna |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Alma-mater: | Rossijsky universitet družby narodov |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Politična dějatelnost |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Partija: | Rossija Budučego (Rossija prědostojna) |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Organizacija: | FBK (Fond borby s korupcijeju) |- | style="font-weight:bold; vertical-align:top;" | Oblast: | Politična opozicija, aktivizm protiv korupcije, pravo |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Glavne ideje i vklad |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em; font-size:95%;" | * "Umno glosovanje" (Smart Voting) * Prezidentska kampańa 2018 * Antikorupcijny aktivizm * Mirne protesty |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Podpis |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Signature of Alexei Navalny.svg|76x76px]] |}'''Aleksej Anatoljevič Navaljny''' ({{Jezyky|ru|Алексей Анатольевич Навальный}}, 4 junija [[1976]], Butynj, Odincovsky okrug, [[Moskovska oblast]], [[Rosijska Sovětska Federacijna Socialističska Republika|RSFSR]], [[Sovětsky Sojuz|SSSR]] — 16 februara [[2024]], [[IK-3 Harp|zaključiljnja «Polarny volk»]], Harp, [[Jamalo-Nenecky avtonomny okrug]], [[Rosija]]) — [[Rosija|rosijsky]] [[Politika|politik]] i spoločny dějatelj, pravnik i [[videoblog]]er. Byl vodž [[Političska opozicija v Rosijskoj federaciji|rosijskoj opozicije]] i [[Protesty v Rosiji (2017-2018)|masovogo protestnogo dviženja v Rosiji]], glavnym protivnikom prezidenta [[Vladimir Putin|Vladimira Putina]]. Založil [[Fond borby s korupcijeju]]. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Навальный, Алексей Анатольевич}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Navaljnyj, Aleksej}} [[Kategorija:Rosijski politiki]] i10mbk4843kjwngcy5pziecqzp6o9sl 0 605 28875 3495 2026-07-16T12:13:55Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28875 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Alfabét''' (takože abeceda, azbuka) ([[Starogrečsky jezyk|st-grečsky]] ἀλφάβητος) — forma [[pismennost]]i, ktora osnovana na standardnoj sbirkě [[znak]]ov. V alfabetu oddělne znaky oboznačajut [[Fonema|fonemy]] jezyka, ače jednoznačny odpovědnik [[zvuk]]a bukvě ogledajut rědko i imaje privyčaj utračati se v procesu razvivanja [[Ustny jezyk|ustnogo jezyka]]. Alfabet odličaje se od [[Ideografično pisanje|piktografičnogo (ideografičnogo) pisanja]], kde znaky oboznačajut pojetja i od morfemnogo i [[Logografičesko pisanje|logografičeskogo]] pisanja, kde znaky oboznačajut oddělne [[Morfema|morfemy]] ili slovesa. * [[Konstanto-vokalične alfabety]] — bukvy oboznačajut [[Samoglaska|samoglasky]] i [[Soglaska|soglasky]]. * [[Konstantne alfabety]] — bukvy oboznačajut soglasky, samoglasky mogut oboznačati se s pomočju [[Diakritične znaky|diakritičnyh znakov]]. * [[Silabične alfabety]] — bukvy oboznačajut [[slog]]y, čto vyše silaby s jednakoju samoglaskoju, ale različnymi samoglaskami mogut oboznačati se blizkymi znakami, ili mogut byti vpolně raznymi. Vo vuzkom smyslu može ne čisliti se alfabetom. Upotrěbjenje znakov dlja oddělnyh fonem vodi k značnomu oproščenju pisanja vslěd skračenja kolikosti upotrěbjenyh znakov. Takože, poredok bukv v alfabetu javjaje se zakladom alfabetičnogo sortirovanja. == Etimologija == [[Fajl:A Specimen by William Caslon.jpg|thumb|Obrazce davnyh pisanij i staryh stiljev načrtanij. William Caslon. 1728 god]] Slovo "alfabet" dějalo se od latinskogo ''alphabetum''. Vprvo strěčaje se u Teptullian-a (155-230 gody) i u sv. Ieronim-a (340-420 gody). Slovo "alfabet" sostavjaje se iz početkovyh grečskyh bukv alfa (α) i beta (β). Nazvy, jednako, dějali se od početkovyh bukv finikijskogo alfabeta — alef ("byk") i bet ("dom"). == Alfabety světa == Najrazširjenějšim alfabetom na světu jest [[latinica]]. Ta koristana jest v na vsih kontinentah světa. Kromě latinice koristaje se v Evropě [[Grečska azbuka|grečsky alfabet]] (v Greciji i na [[Kipr]]u) i [[kirilica]]. Vse tri izvedene sut posrědnje iz egiptskyh hieroglifov. V zapadnoj Aziji koristaje se arabsky i hebrejsky alfabet. Oboje sut konstantnymi alfabetami. [[Fajl:Hangeul.svg|thumb|Slovo «''hangul''» napisano na korejskom jezyku]] Vo vozhodnoj Aziji koristaje se kromě kromě kitajskogo pisanja několiko silabičnyh alfabetov. [[Japonija]] imaje kromě kitajskojaponskyh ideogramov (kandži) dva silabične alfabety (hiraganu i katakanu). Korejsky jezyk koristaje alfabet ''hangul'' (sěvernokorejsko ''čosångul''). To jest pisanje, v kojom simboly samoglasok i soglasok kombinovane sut v bukvy grafično podobne kitajskim znakom. [[Kategorija:Alfabety| ]] [[Kategorija:Pisma]] lf0hsuu9ie8mkpolbj62e9nh6jt25i1 0 607 28876 3553 2026-07-16T12:14:02Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28876 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Algebra''' (od {{Jezyky|ar|اَلْجَبْرُ}} ''al-džabr''<ref>{{Cite book|author=Fasmer, M.|title=Etimologičny slovnik russkogo jezyka = Russisches etymologisches Wörterbuch : v 4 t|publisher=Progres|year=1986–1987|isbn=}}</ref> — «rekreacija (razroznennyh) čestij») jest oblast [[Matematika|matematiky]], ktora se zajmaje algebraičnymi strukturami i operacijami na njih. Ona jest geněralizacijeju [[Aritmetika|aritmetiky]], ktora vvodi prěměnne i algebraične operacije, odlične od standartnyh aritmetičnyh operacij, takyh kako složenje i množenje. Algebra jest jedna z najstarših i najvažnějših oblastij matematiky, i ona imaje široko priměnjenje v [[Nauka|naukě]], [[tehnikě]], [[Ekonomika|ekonomikě]] i v mnogyh inyh sferah. [[Fajl:Right concoid.svg|thumb|Trehměrny [[pravilny konoid]], opisany trigonometričnymi ravnostjami.<br> <math>\begin{cases} x = v \cos u, \\ y = v \sin u, \\ z = 2 \sin u \end{cases}</math>]] == Etimologija == Slovo "algebra" proizhodi iz arabskogo termina '''الجبر''' (''al-džabr''), ktory prvonačelno označal hirurgično lěčenje prělomov kostij. V 9-om stolětju termin dostal matematične značenja, kogda [[Al-Horezmi|Muhammad ibn Musa al-Horezmi]] izkoristal jego v nazvanju svojego traktata ''al-Kitab al-Muhtasar fi Hisab al-Džabr val-Mukabala'' (''Kratkaja kniga o kalkulacijah metodom dopolnjenja i protivostavjenja''), ktora jest preložena na latinsky jezyk kak ''{{-|Liber Algebrae et Almucabola}} ''.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Boyer, Carl B.|title=A History of Mathematics|publisher=Wiley|year=1991|isbn=978-0-471-54397-8}}</ref> Slovo vošlo v sučasne jezyky v 16-om věku iz [[Italijansky jezyk|italijanskogo]], [[Špansky jezyk|španskogo]] i srědněvěčnogo [[Latinsky jezyk|latinskogo]] jezyka, i takože koristaje se v [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskom]]. == Oblasti algebry == [[Fajl:Quadratic formula.svg|thumb|[[Formula korenjev kvadratnogo uravněnja]] izražaje rěšenje uravněnja vtorogo stupnja <math>ax^2 + bx +c=0</math> črěz jego koeficienty <math>a, b, c</math>, kde <math>a</math> ne jest ravno nulě.]] Algebra razděljaje se na několiko glavnyh oblastij: === Elementarna algebra === '''Elementarna algebra''', takože nazvana školska algebra ili klasična algebra, jest najstarša i osnovna forma algebry. Ona jest geněralizacijeju aritmetiky, ktore se opiraje na prěměnne i izslěduje, kak matematične izraženja mogut byti transformovane.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Cohn, P. M.|title=Basic Algebra: Groups, Rings and Fields|publisher=Springer|year=2003|isbn=978-1-85233-587-8}}</ref> Aritmetika jest naukoju o numeričnyh operacijah i izslěduje, kako čisla sut kombinovane i transformovane s pomočju aritmetičnyh operacij složenja, odimanja, množenja, dělenja, stupnjevanja, ekstrakcije korenja i logaritmov. Elementarna algebra se opiraje na jednake operacije, no dopuščaje prěměnne, zastupajuče regularne čisla. Prěměnne sut simboly za nenaznačene ili neznane količiny. One davajut možlivost izraziti odnošenja, dlja kojih ne znajemo točnyh vrědnostij, i izraziti obče zakony, ktore sut pravdivosti nezaležno od togo, koje čisla sut porabotane. Algebraične korenja sut tvorjene, surabotaječe aritmetične operacije dlja kombinovanija prěměnnyh i čisel. Korenj jest algebraičny korenj, tvoreny množenijem čisla 5 s prěměnnoju x i dodanjem čisla 3 k rezultatu. Někotore algebraične korenja imajut formu korenjev, ktore odnošajut dva korenja odin do drugogo. Ravnost jest korenj, formovany sravnenijem dvoh korenjev, govoreci, čto oni sut ravny. Razrěšenije ravnostij jest klučevy celj elementarnoj algebry. === Linearna algebra === '''Linearna algebra''' jest blizko rodstvena oblast, ktora izslěduje linearne ravnosti i jihne kombinacije, nazvane sistemami linearnyh ravnostij. Ona davaje metody dlja nahodženija značenij, ktore razrěšajut vse ravnosti sistemy odnočasno, i dlja izslědovanja množstva tutyh rěšenij. [[Fajl:Matrix multiplication diagram 2.svg|thumb|300px|Množenje matric: osnovna operacija liněarnoj algebry.]] Linearna algebra začinaje s izslědovanjem sistem linearnyh ravnostij. Ravnost jest linearna, ako ona može byti izražena v formě ''a''₁''x''₁ + ''a''₂''x''₂ + ... + ''aₙxₙ'' = ''b'', gde ''a₁, a₂, ..., aₙ'' i ''b'' sut konstanty. Sistema linearnyh ravnostij jest množstvo linearnyh ravnostij, za ktoryh sut iskane obče rěšenija. Matricy sut pravougolne masivy veličin, ktore byli izhodno uvedene za to, da by iměti kompaktnu i sintetičnu notaciju za sistemy linearnyh ravnostij. Vektorne prostory i linearne transformacije tvoret veliku čest liněarnoj algebry. Vektorno prostranstvo jest algebraična struktura, formovana množstvom so složenijem, ktore dela jego abelijevoju grupoju, i skalarnym množenjem, ktore jest suměstimym so složenijem. === Abstraktna algebra === '''Abstraktna algebra''', takože nazyvana moderna algebra, jest nauka ob algebraičnyh strukturah. Algebraična struktura jest sistema dlja razuměnija operacij na matematičnyh objektah, kako i složenje čisel. Ako elementarna algebra i linearna algebra rabotajut v granicah oprědělennyh algebraičnyh struktur, abstraktna algebra prijimaje občy pristup, ktory sravnivaje, kako algebraične struktury se različajut jedna od drugoj, i ktore tipy algebraičnyh struktur egzistujut, kako grupy, koljca i polja.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Hungerford, Thomas W.|title=Algebra|publisher=Springer|year=1974|isbn=978-0-387-90518-1}}</ref> Ključna razlika meždu tamtymi tipami algebraičnyh struktur leži v čislu operacij, ktoro oni koristajut, i v zakonah, ktoryh one se držet. Na formalnom urovnju, algebraična struktura jest množstvo matematičnyh objektov, nazyvano podkladnym množstvom, zajedno s jednoju ili vyše operacijami. Abstraktna algebra klasifikuje algebraične struktury na osnově zakonov ili aksiom, ktoryh se drži operacije s njimi. Jedin iz najosnovněših tipov jest '''grupa''', ktora imaje jednu operaciju i potrěbuje, da by ta operacija byla asociativna i iměla identičny element i obratne elementy. '''Koljce''' jest algebraična struktura s dvoma operacijami, ktore rabotajut podobno složenju i množenju čisel. '''Polje''' jest komutativno koljco, v ktorom každy nulovy element imaje multiplikativno obratno čislo. === Universalna algebra === '''Universalna algebra''' jest nauka o algebraičnyh strukturah voobče. Kako čest svojego občego podhoda, ona ne zajimaje se specifičnymi elementami, ktore tvoret podkladne množstva, i razsmatrjaje operacije s vyše, než dvoma vvodnymi, napriměr, trojne operacije. Ona davaje ramky dlja izslědovanja, koje strukturne črty imajut razne algebraične struktury voobče. === Teorija kategorij === '''Teorija kategorij''' izslěduje, kako matematične objekty odnoset se jedin do drugogo s pomočju koncepcije kategorij. Kategorija jest kolekcija objektov zajedno s kolekcijeju morfizmov ili «strěl» medžu tymi objektami. Tute dvě kolekcije muset zadovoljati oprěděljenym uslovjam. Kategorije sut široko koristane v sovrěmennoj matematikě, poneže oni dajut unifikujuču sistemu za opisanja i analizy mnogyh fundamentalnyh matematičnyh koncepcij. == Historija == [[Fajl:Image-Al-Kitāb_al-muḫtaṣar_fī_ḥisāb_al-ğabr_wa-l-muqābala.jpg|thumb|300px|Rukopis traktata al-Horezmi ''al-Kitab al-Muhtasar fi Hisab al-Džabr val-Mukabala'', 9-y věk.]] === Drěvny period === Pohodženije algebry leži v pokušenjach razrěšiti matematične problemy s použivanjem aritmetičnyh izčisljenij i pri neznanyh kolikostah. Tute razvoje sut se odbyli v drěvnom periodu v Vavilonu, [[Egipt]]u, [[Grecija|Greciji]], [[Kitaj]]u i [[Indija|Indiji]]. Jedin iz najstarših dokumentov o algebraičnyh problemah jest [[Matematičny papirus Rinda]] iz drěvnogo Egipta, ktory byl napisan okolo 1650 prěd n.e.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Robins, Gay; Shute, Charles|title=The Rhind Mathematical Papyrus: An Ancient Egyptian Text|publisher=British Museum Press|year=1987|isbn=978-0-7141-0944-2}}</ref> On diskutuje rěšenja linearnyh ravnostij. Vavilonske gliněne tabely od okolo togo časa objasnjajut metody dlja razrěšenja linearnyh i kvadratnyh polinomialnyh ravnostij, napriklad metodu dopolnjenija kvadrata. Mnogo tyh poznanij jest našlo put do drěvnyh Grěkov. Počinajuči 6-m stolětjem prěd n.e., jejih glavnym interesom byla geometrija, ale oni surt koristali algebraične metody dlja razrěšenja geometričnyh zagadok. V 3-em věky n.e. [[Diofant]] jet dal podrobno razsmatrjanije o tom, kak razrěšiti algebraične ravnosti v seriji knig, nazvanyh ''Aritmetika''. On byl prvym, kto eksperimentoval so simboličnoj notacijeju za izraženje polinomov.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Heath, T. L.|title=Diophantus of Alexandria: A Study in the History of Greek Algebra|publisher=Cambridge University Press|year=1910}}</ref> V drěvnom Kitaju kniga ''Devět glav matematičnoj umětnostij'', složena v periody od 10-go věka prěd n.e. do 2-go věka n.e., jest izsledovala razne tehniky dlja razrěšenja algebraičnyh ravnostij, vklučajuči izkoristanje matrice-podobnyh konstruktov. === Arabsky i islamsky period === Persijsky matematik [[Al-Horezmi|Muhamad ibn Musa al-Horezmi]], ktory žil na teritoriju modernogo [[Uzbekistan]]a, opublikoval svoju ''Kratku knigu o izčisljenjah metodoju dopolnjenija i protivostavjenija'' v 825-om lětu n. e. Ona prědstavjala prvo podrobno razsmatrjanije občih metod, ktore možno je izkoristati za manipulaciju s linearnymi i kvadratnymi ravnostemi: «redukcijeju» i «balansovanijem» oboh stran. Ine vlivne prinosy k algebrě prišli od arabskogo matematika [[Sabit ibn Kurra|Sabita ibn Kurry]] takože v 9-om věku, i od persijskogo matematika [[Omar Hajam|Omara Hajama]] v 11-om i 12-om věkah.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Berggren, J. L.|title=Episodes in the Mathematics of Medieval Islam|publisher=Springer|year=1986|isbn=978-0-387-96318-1}}</ref> V Indiji [[Brahmagupta]] izslědoval, kako razrěšiti kvadratne ravnosti i sistemy ravnostij s několjkimi prěmennymi v 7-om věky n. e. Medžu jego inovacijami bylo izkoristanje nuly i negativnyh čisel v algebraičnyh ravnostijah. === Evropsky period === [[Italija]]nsky matematik [[Fibonači]] prinesl ideje i tehniky al-Horezmi do Evropy v knigah, vklučno jego {{Lang|la|Liber Abaci}}. V 1545-om lětu italijansky polimat [[Džerolamo Kardano]] opublikoval svoju knigu {{Lang|la|Ars Magna}}, ktora pokryvala mnogo tem v algebrě, diskutovala imaginarne čisla i byla prvoju, čto predstavila obče metody za razrěšenje kubičnyh i kvadratičnyh ravnostij.<ref>{{Cite book|author=Cardano, Gerolamo|title=Ars Magna, or The Rules of Algebra|publisher=MIT Press|year=1968}}</ref> V 16-om i 17-om věkah francuzski matematiki [[Fransua Vjet]] i [[Rene Dekart]] sut uvedli bukvice i simboly za označenje prěměnnyh i operacij, čto sdělalo možlivym izraženje ravnostij kratkym i abstraktnym manerom. [[Fajl:Evariste_galois.jpg|thumb|200px|{{-|Evariste Galois|Еварист Галуа}} (1811–1832), francuzsky matematik, ktory jest iznašel teoriju Galua.]] Na koncu 18-ogo stolětja němečsky matematik [[Karl Fridrih Gaus]] jest dokazal fundamentalnu teoremu algebry, ktora opisyvaje egzistenciju nulov polinomov ljubogo stupnja bez davanja občego rěšenja. Na počatku 19-ogo věka italijansky matematik [[Paolo Ruffini]] i norvežsky matematik [[Niels Henrik Abel|{{-|Niels Henrik Abel|Нилс Хенрик Абељ}}]] byli v stanju pokazati, že ne jestvuje občo rěšenje za polinomy stupnja pěti i vyše. V otgovorě na jih nahodženja francuzsky matematik [[Evarist Galua|{{-|Evariste Galois|Еварист Галуа}}]] razvil to, čto pozdněje stalo znano kak [[teorija Galua]], ktora jest predložila glubšu analizu rěšenij polinomov i položila osnovu [[Teorija grupy|teorije grupy]].<ref>{{Cite book|author=Stewart, Ian|title=Galois Theory|publisher=CRC Press|year=2015|isbn=978-1-4822-4582-0}}</ref> === Moderna algebra === Počinajuči srědinoju 19-go věka, interes v algebrě se prěměnil od izučenja polinomov, svezanogo s elementarnoj algebroju, k izslědovanju algebraičnyh struktur, označajuči vozniknenje abstraktnoj algebry. Tuty pristup izsledoval aksiomatičnu osnovu libovoljnyh algebraičnyh operacij. Vplivne ranne iznahodky v abstraktnoj algebrě sut sdělany němečskymi matematikami [[David Gilbert|Davidom Gilbertom]], [[Ernst Štainjic|Ernstom Štajnicom]] i [[Emmi Njeter]], i takože avstrijskim matematikom [[Emil Artin|Emilom Artinom]]. Ideja ješče vyše občego pristupa, nazyvajemogo universalnoj algebroju, byla zamyšlena anglijskim matematikom [[Alfred Nort Vajthed|Alfredom Nortom Vajthedom]] v jego knigě 1898-go lěta ''Traktat ob universalnoj algebrě''. Počinajuči od 1930-yh lět, amerikanski matematik [[Garrett Birkhoff]] razširil tute ideje i jest razvil mnogo fundamentalnyh koncepcij togo polja. == Priměnjenje == [[Fajl:Rubik's cube v2.svg|thumb|200px|Rubikov kubik: teorija grupy se koristaje dlja analizy jego rěšenij.]] Algebra imaje široko priměnjenje v raznyh oblastah: === Matematika === Algebraizacija matematiky jest proces použivanja algebraičnyh metod i principov v inyh [[Oblasti matematiky|oblastah matematiky]], takyh kako [[geometrija]], [[topologija]], [[teorija čisel]] i [[matematična analiza]]. V geometriji algebraične korenja opisujut geometrične figury. Linějarna algebra igra centralnu rolu v [[Umětny intelekt|umětnom intelekte]] i [[Strojno učenije|strojnom učeniji]], na primer, aktivujuči efektivnu obrabotku i analizu velikih množestvov danyh. === Nauky i tehnika === Algebraične metody sut takože redno koristane v inyh oblastah, kako sut nauky o prirodě. Napriměr, oni sut izkoristane za vyraženje naučnyh zakonov i razrěšenje ravnostij v [[Fizika|fizikě]], [[Hemija|hemiji]] i [[Biologija|biologiji]]. Podobne priměnjenja sut najdene v takyh oblastah kako [[ekonomika]], [[geografija]], [[inženerija]] (vključajuči elektroniku i robotiku) i [[informatika]] za vyraženije odnošenij, razrěšenje problemov i modelovanje sistem. Fizične nauky kako [[kristalografija]] i [[kvantova mehanika]] použivajut v velikoj měrě teoriju grupy. Kako teorija kodovanja, tako i kriptologija opirajut se na abstraktnu algebru za razrěšenje problemov, svezanyh s prěnosom danyh. === Obučenje === Naučenje algebrě se glavno fokusuje na elementarnoj algebrě, ktora jest jednoju iz pričin, začto elementarna algebra takože jest nazvana školnoju algebroju. Ona obyčno ne jest čestju načalnogo obrazovanja i jest vveděna toliko v srědnom, zatože ona trěbuje vladanije fundamentami aritmetiky, tvoreči nove kognitivne izzvy, svezane s abstraktnym mysljenjem i generalizacijeju. == Ključove koncepcije == === Prěmenne i ravnosti === Prěmenne (variabilne) sut simboly za nenaznačene ili neznane veličiny. Oni dajut možlivost izraziti odnošenja, za koje ne jest znajemo točnyh značenij. Ravnostju jest matematično tvrdženje, sostoječe iz dvoh čestij, govoreči, že oni sut ravne. Glavny cělj elementarnoj algebry jest oprěděliti značenja, za koje jest tvrdženje istinno. To možno jest dosegnuti transformacijeju i manipulacijeju čestami tvrdženja po oprědělenym pravilam. Ključny princip, ktory rukovodi tutym procesom, jest že kaka-libo operacija, izdělana na jednoj straně ravnosti, musi takože byti sdělana na drugoj straně, da by tvrdženje jest ostalo istinno. === Polinomy === Polinom jest izraženje, sostoječe iz jedinogo ili vyše členov, ktore sut složene ili odimane jedin od drugogo. Každy člen jest či konstanta, ili prěmenna, ili produkt konstanty i prěměnnyh. Faktorizacija jest metoda, izkoristana za uproščenje polinomov, čto dělaje legšim jihnu analizu i oprěděljenje značenij, pri ktoryh oni sut ravne nulě. === Algebraične struktury === Algebraična struktura jest ne pusto množstvo matematičnyh objektov zajedno s algebraičnymi operacijami, oprědělenymi na tom množestvy. Abstraktna algebra izsleduje zakony, obči osobenosti i značenja algebraičnyh struktur. Važnějše struktury vklučajut: * '''Grupy''' — struktury s jednoju associativnoju operacieju, identičnym elementom, i obratnymi elementami * '''Koljca''' — struktury s dvoma operacijami, sličnymi složenju i množejenju * '''Polja''' — komutativne koljca, v kojih každy nenulovy element imaje multiplikativno obratno * '''Vektorne prostory''' — struktury, kombinujuče vektory so skalarnym množenjem * '''Matricy''' — pravougolne razporedenja veličin, fundamentalne v linearnoj algebrě == Gledite takože == * [[Matematika]] * [[Aritmetika]] * [[Geometrija]] * [[Topologija]] * [[Teorija čisel]] * [[Matematična analiza]] * [[Al-Horezmi]] * [[Linearna algebra]] * [[Abstraktna algebra]] == Iztočniki == <references/> [[Kategorija:Matematika]] [[Kategorija:Nauka]] {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} e5kyv2celn7b7vneyihahft05eq3uxx 0 608 28877 3566 2026-07-16T12:14:07Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28877 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Euclid flowchart.svg|thumb|220px|Diagram Evklidovogo algoritma za izčisljenje [[Največši obči dělitelj|največšego občego dělitelja]] čisl ''A'' i ''B''.]] V [[Informatika|informatikě]] '''algoritm''' jest detaljny plan rěšenja danogo problema, prědstavjeny s pomočju ograničenogo čisla krokov, pri ktorom kriterije uspěhu (često vzajemno protivne) sut čas, košt i lihva. Zapytanjami svezanymi s optimalizacijeju algoritmov zajmaje se '''Teorija sistem.''' == Kroky == Tipične kroky v razvoju algoritmov: # Definicija problema # Razvivanje modela # Specifikacija algoritma # Dizajn algoritma # Prověrjanje popravnosti algoritma # Analiza algoritma # Implementacija algoritma # Testovanje programa # Prigotovjenje dokumentacije == Algoritmy v informatikě == === Rekurencija i iteracija === Rekurencija znači to, že algoritm zna někaku bazovu osnovu svojego rabotanja, a ine vyše složene slučaje sut rěšene prěz navodženje samogo sebe. Tuta metoda javi se vyše prosta v implementaciji, ale problem nastaje kogdy kolikost navedenij je vysša než dozvaljaje programny stog. Iteracija znači to, že někaka akcija je dělana každogo hodu, np. dodavanje čisla 1 do čisla, ktore ty uže imaš. Prěd jej implementacijeju ty potrěbuješ znati točnu kolikost razov koliko iteracij bude sdělanyh. === Priměry v {{-|Python}} === Evklidov algoritm, stvorjeny grečskym matematikom [[Evklid]]om i objasnjeny jim v dělu ''Elementy'', izčisljaje [[največši obči dělitelj]] dvoh čisl: <code>def gcd(a, b): while b: a, b = b, a % b return a</code> === Složenost čisljenja === Každy algoritm ima někaky čas, ktory potrěbuje da by rabotati i zakončiti svoje rabotanje v někakom ograničonom času. Zavisno od togo, kako informacije sut upravjane. Složenost algoritmov naznača se velikoju bukvoju ''{{-|O(n)}}''. Objasnjenje priměrami: ''{{-|O(1)}}'' - ty jesi bibliotekar. Každy čitatelj, ktory prihodi, dostavaje od tebe knigu. Konec historije. ''{{-|O(n)}}'' - imaš sbirku knig, ktorih je ''{{-|n}}''. Ne znaš, kde je ta jedna, ktoru hčeš. Iščeš prěgledajuči každu iz njih. ''{{-|O(log n)}}'' - imaš veliky sbornik knig. Vse knigi s zaglavjami, ktore počinajut se od bukvy A do poloviny alfabeta sut po tvojej lěvoj straně, ostale od poloviny alfabeta do konca sut po tvojej pravoj straně. Ne trěbuješ prěgledati vsih knig, da by najdti tu jednu - gledaš toliko po někakoj větkě. == Žrla == * {{-|Popularna Encyklopedia Powszechna, Fogra Oficyna Wydawnicza, Kraków 1994}} * {{-|Cory Althoff, ''Informatyk samouk'', wydawnictwo Helion}}, prěvod: {{-|Piotr Rajca}} * {{Cite web | url = https://stackoverflow.com/questions/21608593/euclidean-algorithm-gcd-in-python#21608837 | title = Euclidean Algorithm / GCD in Python | website = stackoverflow.com}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} [[Kategorija:Informacijne tehnologije]] [[Kategorija:Matematika]] a4fj9gxbcgjuyvno2jmb8jfhln6krg2 0 609 28878 3849 2026-07-16T12:14:14Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28878 wikitext text/x-wiki {| align="right" style="width:280px; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em; border:1px solid #a2a9b1; background:#f8f9fa; padding:5px; font-size:90%; line-height:1.5em;" |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#b0c4de; text-align:center; font-size:125%; padding:0.3em;" | Alkibiad |- | colspan="2" style="text-align:center; padding:0.5em;" | [[Fajl:Detail of Alcibiades from Alcibiades Being Taught by Socrates (1776) by François-André Vincent.jpg|336x336px]]<br /><small>Fragment obraza ''Alkibiad, učimy Sokratom''<br />(F.A. Vincent, 1777)</small> |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Personal Information |- | style="width:35%; font-weight:bold;" | Rodil se: | c. 450 do N.E.<br />[[Atiny]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Umrl: | 404 do N.E. (vozrastom 45–46 lět)<br />[[Frigija]], [[Achaemenid Empire|Ahemenidska imperija]] |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Žena: | Hipareta |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Vojenna kariera |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Prisega věrnosti: | * [[Atiny]] (432–415 do N.E.) * [[Sparta]] (415–412 do N.E.) * [[Achaemenid Empire|Persija]] (412–411 do N.E.) |- | style="font-weight:bold;" | Rang: | ''[[Strategos]]'' |- ! colspan="2" style="background:#deeaf6; text-align:center; border-top:1px solid #a2a9b1;" | Značime vojenne konflikty |- | colspan="2" style="padding-left:1em;" | * [[Battle of Potidaea|Bitva pri Potidaea]] * [[Peloponesska vojna]] ** [[Bitva pri Deliju]] ** [[Sicilijska ekspedicija]] ** [[Bitva pri Abidosu]] ** [[Bitva pri Kiziku]] ** [[Siege of Byzantium|Obsada Vizantija]] |} [[Fajl:Bust Alcibiades Musei Capitolini MC1160.jpg|250px|right|thumb|Alkibiad]] '''Alkibiad''' ili '''Alkiviad'''<ref>Vozhodnoslovjanske jezyky i bulgarsky imajut ''Alki'''v'''iad'', ostale slovjanske jezyky imajut ''Alki'''b'''iad''. V medžuslovjanskom v obče prědpočitaje se versija večinstva, a v slučaju davnogrečskyh pozajetij koristaje se zapadna versija: ''Babilon, Barbara'' zaměsto ''Vavilon, Varvara''.</ref> ([[Starogrečsky jezyk|starogrečsky]]ː Ἀλκιβιάδης (''Alkibiádēs'')) byl davnogrečsky [[Atiny|atinsky]] državnik, govoritelj i vojenny načelnik epohy [[Peloponesska vojna|Peloponesskoj vojny]]. Alkibiad urodil se v aristokratičnoj rodině, a dorastl v domu [[Perikl]]a, glavnika atinskogo polisa. Svoju aktivnu političnu dějateljnost počel, izstupivši protivnikom [[Nikijev mir|Nikijeva mira]] i obnovjenja vojennyh dějanij protiv [[Sparta|Spartě]]. Stavši strategom, on naglo izměnil vněšnju politiku Atin. V 418 godu do n.e. on sozdal novu antispartansku koaliciju, ktora razpadla se poslě poražky v [[Bitva pri Mantinejě (418 do n.e.)|bitvě pri Mantinejě]]. Alkibiad byl iniciatorom [[Sicilijska ekspedicija|Sicilijskoj ekspedicije]], ktora byla takože napravjena protiv Spartě i jej sojuznikov. Odpravjeny v 415 godu do n.e. s flotoju na [[Sicilija|Siciliju]], on byl odzvan v Atiny dlja težby. Ostrěgavši se za svoje žitje, Alkibiad prěšel na stranu Sparty. V otčině on byl osudženy. Alkibiad dal spartancam několiko cěnnyh sovětov, ktore Sparta izkoristala i ktore trohu ne privedli k polnoj poražkě Atin v vojně. Alkibad nabyl veliky avtoritet v Spartě, i něktore zavistniki nakazali jego ubiti. Alkibiad uběgl k [[Imperija Ahemenidov|persijskomu]] satrapu [[Tissafern]]u, i poslě s jego pomočju pribyl na [[Samos]], kde bazovala se atinska flota. Morjaki izbrali jego strategom. S 411 goda do n.e. počinaje se serija poběd Alkibiada, v rezultatu ktoroj prěvaga v Peloponesskoj vojně byla na straně Atin. Vrativši se v otčinu v 407 godu do n.e., on byl izbrany strategom-avtokratorom (glavnokomandovačem armije i floty). Poslě poražky atinskoj floty v času jego odsutnosti on byl prinudženy odpraviti se v izgnanje. V 404 godu do n.e., poslě pobědy Sparty v Peloponesskoj vojně, on byl ubity po prikazu [[Kritij]]a i [[Lisandr]]a, ktori mněli jego kako opasnogo političnogo supernika. == Proizhodženje i mladost == Alkiviad urodil se okolo 450 goda do n.e. V 447 godu do n.e., kogda Alkibiad imal okolo 3 lět, jego otec Klinij pogynul v bitvě pri Koroneji<ref>Plutarh. Alkibiad. 1</ref>. Sirotoju takože stal mladši brat Alkibiada Klinij, ktorogo antične avtori nazyvali slaboumnym. Opekunami Alkibiada i Klinija stali jih ujci Perikl i Aritron. [[Fajl:Socrates in Battle of Potidaea protecting Alcibiades (Basin).jpg|200px|right|thumb|Sokrat zaščičaje Alkibiada v bitvě pri Potideji. P.V. Basin, 1828]] Mlady Alkibiad mnogo občil se s sofistami<ref name="surikov181">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=181 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Veliko značenje takože imali jego odnošenja s [[Sokrat]]om. V 432 godu do n.e. oni oba učestvovali v [[Obsada Potideje|obsadě Potideje]]. V jednoj iz bitv s obsadženymi Sokrat spasl Alkibiada od smrti<ref name="plutarh7">Plutarh. Alkibiad. 7</ref>. Skroz 8 lět, v [[Bitva pri Deliju|bitvě pri Deliju]], Alkibiad, služivši v konnici, prišel na pomoč Sokratu, ktory odstupal pod natiskom tebancev v redah hoplitov<ref name="plutarh7" />. == Načelo političnoj dějateljnosti == [[Fajl:Map Peloponnesian War 431 BC-ru.svg|350px|left|thumb|Mapa Grecije do načela Peloponesskoj vojny]] V političnoj dějateljnosti Alkibiad stal vodžem heterije. Heterije byli objedinjenjami několikyh desetkov gradžanov pod nakazom harizmatičnogo lidera i byli v tom času glavnym instrumentom političnoj borby<ref name="surikov183">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=183 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Aktivna politična dějateljnost Alkibiada počela se v 420 godu do n.e. On izstupil kako rěšiteljny protivnik [[Nikijev mir|Nikijeva mira]] so Spartoju i byl podpornikom obnovjenja vojennyh dějanij. Pri tom jim rukovodili lične pričiny. Alkibiad byl nezadovoljeny tym, že spartanci vedli prěgovory ne črěz njego, ače on byl spartanskym proksenom, a črěz [[Nikij]]a<ref>Tukidid. V. 43</ref>. Tak počela se ješče i politična borba Alkibiada i Nikija. Nikij byl podpornikom mira so Spartoju, Alkibiad podpornikom vojny. Alkibiad zaviděl Nikiju i jego avtoritetu. V tom že godu on byl izbrany strategom i pet let prěizbiral se na tu dolžnost. V toj dolžnosti on uže v prvy rok strategije smogl naglo izměniti vněšnju politiku Atin<ref name="surikov183" />. On preferoval neprijateljstvo so Spartoju vměsto popularnoj raněje tendencije k mirnym odnošenjam so Spartoju. Dlja togo on počel iskati sojuznikov protiv Spartě. Jemu udalo se zaključiti sojuz s [[Argos]]om, postojannym vragom Sparty. Poslě k tomu sojuzu prisjedinili se ješče dva byvše spartanske sojuzniky, Mantineja i Elida. Stvorjenje toj koalicije bylo prvym velikym diplomatičnym uspěhom Alkibiada<ref name="surikov185">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=185 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Sojuz dozvoljal Atinam sozdati placdarm na Peloponesu i pokorjati svojej vladě druge grady. V to že vrěme Nikijev mir, kako prědže, shranil silu, i situacija skladala se dvusmyslnoju. Daby izjasniti situaciju, spartanci odpravili poslannikov v Atiny. Jednako Alkibiad diskreditoval poslov prěd narodnym věčem i urval jih misiju. Nikij s velikym trudom odgovoril spartancev od tutčasnogo razryva mirnogo dogovora. V 419 godu do n.e. atinjani po iniciativě Alkibiada obvinili spartancev za narušenje uslovij mira i objavili jih agresorami, ače zaisto vse bylo protivno<ref name="surikov186">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=186 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. V 418 godu do n.e. vojska koalicije (Argos, Mantineja, Arkadija, Atiny) byli razgromjene v bitvě pri Mantineji; v gradah Peloponesa pobědili podporniki sojuza so Spartoju, i ustanovila se oligarhija. Demokratičny alians razpadl se, i večinstvo jego členov iznova vstupili v Peloponessky sojuz. V 416 godu do n.e. atinjani postarali se pokoriti nevtralny ostrov [[Melos]], na ktorom žili dorijci, a poslě jih odkaza vstupiti v sojuz počeli vojennu kampaniju. Melosci poslě dolgoj obsady ustupili. Atinsko narodno věče postanovilo ubiti vsih dorastlyh mužev ostrova i obratiti v rabstvo ženy i děti, a na ostrovu vměstiti atinskyh kolonistov. Iniciatorom toj měry byl, po něktorym vědomostam, Alkibiad. V tom že godu Alkibiad pobědil na Olimpijskyh igrah. On izstavil na turnir sedm kolesnic i zajel prvo, vtoro i tretje města. Poběditeljem v běgah na kolesnicah byl ne voznica, a vlastnik upreži. Tomu jedin člověk mogl zajeti několiko prvyh měst. Poslě toj pobědy Alkibiad stal bez malogo samym znamenitym člověkom vo vsej Greciji<ref name="surikov189">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=189 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Konfrontacija Nikija i Alkibiada privedla k poslědnjemu [[ostrakizm]]u v atinskoj historiji. Ostrakoforija byla provedena po iniciativě demagoga [[Hiperbol]]a. I Nikij, i Alkibiad dostignuli v polisu vlivnogo položenja, ktoro moglo pokazati se narodu opasnym<ref name="surikov129">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=129 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Po zamyslu Hiperbola, atinjani dolžni byli izgnati ili Alkibiada, ili Nikija. Jednako oni "sgovorili se i, objedinivši sily svojih podpornikov, obratili ostrakizm protiv samomu Hiperbolu". [[Fajl:Sicilian Expedition.svg|thumb|250px|Put atinskoj floty do Sicilije]] V zimu 416/415 goda do n.e. v Atiny pribyli posli iz [[Egesta|Egesty]]. Oni prosili vojennoj pomoči atinjanov<ref>Tukidid. VI. 6</ref>. Skoro slučilo se narodno věče. Na njim bylo prijeto rěšenje odpraviti na Siciliju treh strategov-avtokratorov: Alkibiada, Nikija i [[Lamah]]a<ref>Tukidid. VI. 8. 2</ref>. Alkibiad izstupal samym rěšiteljnym podpornikom Sicilijskoj ekspedicije<ref>Plutarh. Alkibiad. 17</ref>. Alkibiad, Nikij i Lamah odplyvli na Siciliju na 140 korabah. Pribyvši v Italiju, atinjani vzeli [[Regij]]. Poslě oni prěpravili se na Siciliju i vzeli [[Katana (grad)|Katanu]]. Na tom uspěšne dějanja Alkibiada skončili se. Za njim pribyl iz Atin državny korab "Salaminija" s pozovom na težbu. On na svojem korabu zajedno s "Salaminijeju" odplyvl iz Sicilije, kako se tvrdi, v Atiny. Jednako v Turijah Alkibiad i jego drugi izsadili se na brěg i skryli se<ref name="plutarh22">Plutarh. Alkibiad. 22</ref>. Ljudi s "Salaminije" poslě bezuspěšnyh poiskov vratili se v Atiny. Tam Alkibiad byl osudženy na smrtnu kaznj, a jego imutok byl konfiskovany. Uznavši o tom, Alkibiad vozkliknul: "A ja dokažu jim, že ja ješče jesm živy!"<ref name="plutarh22" /> == Alkibiad v Spartě == [[Fajl:Dekelejska vojna.png|left|thumb|200px|Attika: Atiny i Dekeleja]] Medžuvrěmenno on uběgl iz Turij na Pelopones i oselil se v Argosu<ref name="plutarh23">Plutarh. Alkibiad. 23</ref>. Ale, ostrěgavši se za svoju bezopasnost, on počel prěgovory so spartancami o dopuščenju političnogo uběžišča. Pri tom on jest oběčal spartancam něktore uslugy i jest strimal svoje slovo. Radostno privitany v Spartě, on jest jim prědložil odpraviti na pomoč Sirakuzam spartansky odred pod nakazom [[Gilipp]]a. To v rezultatu i privedlo k poražkě atinjanov. Poslě obnovjenja vojny medžu Atinami i Spartoju v 413 godu do n.e. Alkibiad prědložil izměniti taktiku: vměsto každoročnyh lětnyh invazij iz Peloponesa on jest prědložil zahvatiti krěpost [[Dekeleja|Dekeleju]] i prěobratiti ju v svoj postojanny placdarm v Attikě. Suglasno Plutarhu, "nikaky drugy udar ne mogl obezsiliti rodny grad Alkibiada takože nepopravimo"<ref name="plutarh23" />. V Spartě Alkibiad naglo izměnil svoj obrazec žitja. Plutarh pisal: <blockquote>«Dobyvši dobru slavu za tutu dalekovidnost državnogo muža, on pobudil ne menši obdiv za svoje privatno žitje: čisto spartanskymi privyčajami i manerami on očaroval narod, ktory videči, kako on jest kratko ostriženy, kako kupaje se v hladnoj vodě, jedaje ječmenny hlěb i črnu supu, prosto ne mogl uvěriti, že tutoj člověk někogda držal v domu kuhara, hodil k trgovcu parfumov ili hot prstom dotykal by miletsky plašč.»</blockquote> Izkoristyvajuči odsutstvo spartanskogo kralja Agisa II, ktory rukovodil spartanskym garnizonom v Dekeleji, Alkibiad vstupil v ljubovnu svez s jego ženoju Timejeju. Pozdněje Timeja daže rodila od Alkibiada syna, ktory byl imenovany Leotihidom. Agis, srazuměvši, že Leotihid ne može byti jego synom, odkazal se jego priznati i stal s tamtyh dob vragom Alkibiada. Suglasno Plutarhu, Timeja byla zaljubjena v Alkibiada, a on vstupil s njeju v svez toliko iz želanja, že Spartoju budut upravjati jego potomki<ref name="plutarh23" />. Jestli to bylo tak, togda jego zamysl ne udal se: kraljem poslě smrti Agida stal jego mladši brat Agesilaj. V 413 godu do n.e. počel se poslědny period Peloponesskoj vojny — Dekelejska, ili Ionska vojna. Toj period počinal se s prědnosti Sparty. Od Atin načeli odpadati jej sojuzniki po Arhe. To jest seriozno oslabilo finansovu moč Atin, ktore sbirali danok s sojuznikov<ref name="surikov196">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=196 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Spartanci dogovorili se s persijskym kraljem [[Darij II|Darijem II]] i jego [[satrap]]ami Maloj Azije o finansovoj pomoči. Metoju toj pomoči bylo sozdanje spartanskoj floty, ktora mogla protivdějati močnoj atinskoj flotě. Sparta obvezala se prědati Persiji grečske grady Maloj Azije, ktore byli osvobodžene v času greko-persijskyh vojn. V 412 godu do n.e. spartanska flota jest vošla v Egejsko morje, daby pomogti odpadšim od atinjanov polisam. Alkibiad nahodil se pri flotě i dějal velmi udačno — "sklonil k metežu skoro vsu Ioniju i zajedno s spartanskymi vojennymi načelnikami pričinil atinjanam veliku škodu"<ref>Plutarh. Alkibiad. 24</ref>. Medžu tym v Spartě jego zavistniki i neprijatelji, srěd njih i Agis, oddali prikaz jego ubiti. Uznavši o tom, Alkibiad črěz něktoro vrěme uběgal k persijskomu satrapu [[Tissafern]]u. Alkibiadu udalo se očarovati Tissaferna, ktory, suglasno antičnym iztočnikam, nenaviděl grekov i grečsky obraz žitja<ref name="surikov197">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=197 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Tissafern slědoval večinstvu sovětov Alkibiada i nazyval jego drugom. Takože on prěimenoval v imenu Alkibiada lěpši iz svojih sadov. Alkibiad prizyval satrapa umenšiti finansovu pomoč spartancam, ukazyvajuči, žе tak bude legše dějati po principu "Razděljaj i vladaj". Nahodivši se pri dvoru Tissaferna, Alkibiad počel prěgovory s atinjanami s metoju povratka v svoju otčinu. V atinskoj flotě, bazovavšem se na Samosu, vozniknulo dviženje za Alkibiada. Toj pisal v poslanju, že on jest gotovy prějdti na stranu Atin i skloniti persov k pomoči atinjanam, no stavil uslovjem likvidaciju atinskoj demokracije i ustanovjenje oligarhičnogo režima<ref>Tukidid. VIII. 47. 2</ref>. == Učestje v vojně na straně Atin == [[Fajl:Alcibiades.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Alkibiad]] V 411 godu do n.e. upolnomočeni od floty pribyli v Atiny i svrgnuli demokraciju. V polisu utvrdil se oligarhičny prospartansky režim (Sovět 400)<ref name="surikov198">{{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page=198 |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}}</ref>. Oni sovsim ne sbirali se vratiti Alkibiada, ibo planovali zaključiti mirny dogovor so Spartoju. Atinska flota na Samosu odkazala se podporedkovati se oligarhičnoj vladě. V Atinskoj državě okazali se dvě vlady. Morjaki poddrživali demokratičny režim, ibo nabirali se iz najbědnějših slojev naseljenja. Ovako, oni byli velmi zainteresovani v egzistovanju demokracije. Morjaki izbrali strategov i prizvali Alkibiada rukovoditi flotoju. Poslě jego pribytja oni prědložili tutčasno vesti flotu na Atiny protiv oligarhičnomu režimu, ale Alkibiad rěšil ne odvlěkati se od osnovnogo zadanja — borby so spartanskoju flotoju. Do povratka v rodny grad Alkibiad rěšil rekomendovati sebe vojennymi pobědami. A režim Četyrehsot skoro byl svrgnuty i zaměnjeny veče uměrjenoju oligarhijeju, ktora formalno postanovila vratiti Alkibiada iz izgnanja. Črěz něktoro vrěme atinska demokracija byla v cělosti vozstanovjena. S 411 goda do n.e. počinaje se serija poběd Alkibiada, v rezultatu ktoroj Peloponesska vojna byla skoro na prělomu, a prěvaga v vojně okazala se na straně Atin. Izprva on s 18 korabami napravil se v stranu [[Kos]]a i [[Knid]]a. Poslě on polučil izvěstje, že spartanska flota pod nakazom [[Mindar]]a ide do Hellesponta, a atinska flota prěslěduje jego. Alkibiad rěšil plyvti na pomoč inym strategam. Jego pribytje izměnilo hod [[Bitva pri Abidosu|bitvy pri Abidosu]]. Spartanci uže pobědžali nad atinjanami, kogda javil se Alkibiad i atakoval. Spartanci obratili se v běgstvo, morjaki uběgli na zemju pod zaščitu persijskogo satrapa [[Farnabaz]]a. Poslě toj pobědy Alkibiad rěšil pohvastati se uspěhom prěd Tissafernom i pribyl k njemu na jednoj trijerě, vzevši s soboju podarky. Jednako Tissafern, boječi se kraljevskogo gněva za narušenje soglašenij so Spartoju, posadil jego v temnicu v [[Sardy|Sardah]]. Črěz měsec Alkibiadu udalo se uběgti v [[Klazomeny]]. Poslě Alkibiad vratil se na bazu atinskoj floty. [[Fajl:Mysia2.svg|300px|left|thumb|Kizik byl gradom v Miziji]] Medžutym Mindar i Farnabaz sjedinili se i razměstili se v [[Kizik]]u, a k atinskoj flotě prisjedinili se 20 korabov pod nakazom [[Trazibul]]a i ješče 20 korabov pod nakazom [[Teramen]]a. Na proteženju několikyh rokov tri vojenni načelniki — Alkibiad, Trazibul i Teramen — vedli velmi uspěšne dějanja protiv spartancam. Sdanlivo, Teramen i Trazibul priznali Alkibiada glavnikom atinskoj floty. Alkibiad izstupil s rěčju prěd vojevnikami, poklikajuči dati bitvu "na morju, na zemji i daže na stěnah grada". Potom on prikazal skryto izstupiti do Kizika pod livnym doždem. V rezultatu atinska flota odsěkla flotu Mindara od pristanišča Kizika. Boječi se, že spartanci odstupet, i uviděvši čislnu prěvagu atinjanov, Alkibiad pošel v ataku s 40 korabami. V času bitvy na spartancev napadli i vse ostatne atinske koraby. Spartanci načeli izsadžati se na zemji i obratili se v běgstvo. Alkibiad tutčasno izsadil se i gnal odstupavših. V toj sěči Mindar pogynul, a Farnabaz uběgl. Poražka spartancev byla velika, jih flota byla izniščena i zavladnuta, glavnokomandovač byl ubity. Atinjani zajeli Kizik, ubivši maly spartansky garnizon. V gradu Hrisopol Alkibiad založil punkt dlja sbora myta s korabov, slědujučih iz Črnogo morja v Egejsko. Blagodareči tamtomu Atiny polučili novy iztočnik dohodov. V 410 godu do n.e. armija Alkibiada bazovala se v Lampsaku. Alkibiad sjedinil se s [[Trazill]]om, i oni zajedno pošli do Abidosa. Protiv jim izstupil Farnabaz s persijskoj konniceju. Atinjani pobědili v konnoj sěči i do noči prěslědovali persijcev. [[Fajl:Byzantium - ru.svg|300px|right|thumb|Bospor Trakijsky]] V 409 godu do n.e. Alkibiad izstupil protiv [[Halkedon]]u i [[Bizantij]]u, byvšim atinskym sojuznikam, ktori prěšli na stranu Sparty. Uznavši o podhodu atinjanov, halkedonci sobrali svoj imutok i odvezli v družnu jim [[Bitinija|Bitiniju]], oddavajuči na hranjenje trakijcam. Togda Alkibiad pribyl v Bitiniju i načel trěbovati izdati imutok halkedoncev, grozeči vojnoju v slučaju odkaza. Trakijci oddali jemu imutok halkedoncev i zaključili s njim mirny dogovor. Poslě togo on pristupil k obsadě Halkedona. On okružil grad blokadnoju stěnoju od morja do morja. Proba izpada obsadženyh pod nakazom spartanskogo harmosta (naměstnika) Hipokrata skončila se neuspěhom, a sam Hipokrat pogynul v času bitvy. Potom Alkibiad odplyvl v Hellespont dlja sbora danka i vzel grad [[Selimbrija|Selimbriju]]. Medžuvrěmenno strategi, obsadžajuči Halkedon, zaključili s Farnabazom soglašenje, po ktoromu poslědny obvezal se izplatiti kontribuciju, Halkedon vratil se v Atinsku državu, a atinjani obvezali se bolje ne razorjati [[Daskileja|Daskileju]], satrapiju Farnabaza. Kogda vratil se Alkibiad, Farnabaz ubědil jego dati prisegu, že ne bude narušati zaključeno v Halkedonu soglašenje. Poslě upada Halkidona atinjani v 408 godu do n.e. obsadili Bizantij. Atinjani iznova počeli okružati grad stěnoju v naději, že vozmut grad gladom. V gradu nahodil se spartansky garnizon pod nakazom harmosta [[Klearha (spartanec)|Klearha]], a takože sojuzne [[periek]]i, [[Megara|megarci]] i [[Beotija|beotijci]]. Klearh byl uvěrjenym, že nikto ne podda grad atinjanam, i uplyvl k Farnabazu za finansovu pomočju. Kogda on uplyvl, několiko bizantijcev rěšili poddati grad atinjanam. Nočju zagovorniki odkryli vrata atinjanam. Atinjani tutčasno zajeli grad i prinudili sily Peloponesskogo sojuza poddati se. Bizantij upadl. Črnomorske prolivy byli cělkom očiščene od spartanskyh i persijskyh sil; atinjani vozstanovili kontrolj nad tym strategično važnym regionom. [[Fajl:The return of Alcibiades to Athens.jpg|300px|left|thumb|Povratok Alkibiada v Atiny]] [[Fajl:Environs of Athens-ru.svg|250px|right|thumb|Atiny i okoliny]] Tutčas Alkibiad rval se vratiti v otčinu s avreolom poběditelja. V Atinah medžuvrěmenno Alkibiada izbrali strategom. Tym ne menje on ostrěgal se; tomu on izprva prikazal razvědati, kak k njemu odnoset se v Atinah. Vesnoju 407 goda do n.e. Alkibiad so vsem blěskom pribyl v Pirej kako glavnik flota-poběditelja. Cěly grad s radostju izšel strěčati poběditelja. Jednako ne bez nesmělosti podplyval on k pristanišču, i toliko uviděvši svojego kuzena Euriptolema, sošel na brěg. Narod s radostju privital jego. Potom on izstupil v narodnom věču, obvinjajuči narod za jego izgnanje, i nadohnul atinjanam naděju na pobědu. Skoro on byl izbrany strategom-autokratorom — glavnokomandovačem armije i floty s neograničenymi polnomočjami. To byla vrhna točka jego kariery. Alkibiad rěšil organizovati velebnu procesiju iz Atin v [[Eleusin]] v Hram dvoh bogynj, čest [[Eleusinske misterije|Eleusinskyh misterij]]. S tamtyh dob, kogda spartanci zajeli Dekeleju, provoditi taku procesiju stalo ne bezopasnym. Atinjani byli prinudženi prěvoziti procesiju morjem. Ale Alkibiadu udalo se v termin organizovati procesiju cělkom po davnym obyčajam zajedno s močnoju oružnoju ohranoju. Spartanci ne osmělili se napasti na nju. Skoro Alkibiad provedl sbor vojska i odpravil se s flotoju protiv vozstavšemu [[Andros]]u. On zadal poražku androscam i spartancam, no sam grad ne vzel. Tutčas narod trěboval od njego ješče veče velikyh poběd. Jednako Alkibiad imal malo pěnezev dlja vojny. Jemu trěba bylo često izjehati dlja iskanja pěnezev dlja zaplaty morjakam. V 406 godu do n.e., odpravivši se za pěneze, Alkibiad ostavil komandovačem floty Astioha, prikazyvajuči jemu ne vstupati v bitvu so spartancami. Toj narušil prikaz i prěžil poražku od spartanskogo navarha [[Lisandr]]a v [[Bitva pri Notiju|bitvě pri Notiju]]. Uznavši o tom, Alkibiad vratil se na Samos i poproboval vtegnuti Lisandra v novu bitvu, ale toj ostal v pristanišču. Trazibul, syn Frazona, odplyvl v Atiny i načel obvinjati Alkibiada v narodnom věču, že on ostavil nakaz nedostojnym ljudam, a sam uplyvl, daby baviti se v kompaniji abidosskyh i ionskyh heter. V rezultatu Alkibiada odstranili od nakaza i naznačili v zaměn deset strategov. Alkibiad, ostrěgavši se gněva naroda, rěšil odpraviti se v izgnanje. == Izgnanje == On odplyvl s Samosa na jednoj trijerě na Hersones Trakijsky (Gallipoli) i oselil se v vlastnom zamku. Nabravši odred najemnikov i ustanovivši družne odnošenja s trakijskymi kraljami Seutom i Medokom, on načel pomagati jim v vojennyh pohodah protiv drugym trakijcam. [[Fajl:Battle of Aegospotami.png|300px|right|thumb|Hellespont]] V 405 godu do n.e. atinjani vedli vojenne dějanja protiv spartancam poblizu Hersonesa Trakijskogo. Atinskoju flotoju komandovali strategi Tidej, Menandr i Adimant. Atinjani stojali na evropejskom brěgu Hellesponta, poblizu zamka Alkibiada, a spartanci — na azijatskom. Atinjani probovali izzvati spartancev na bitvu. Ale spartansky navarh Lisandr ne poddaval se na provokacije. Alkibiad pribyl na konju k městu pobytja atinskoj floty i ukazal strategam na tamto, že izbrano jimi město dlja pobytja floty jest velmi bezzaščitno i neudačno, ibo poblizu ne imaje se ni pristanišč, ni gradov. On prědlagal jim odvesti koraby v Sest, najblizše pristanišče, na čto strategi odpověděli odvrganjem, a Tidej velěl jemu ujdti von, dodavajuči: "Tutčas ne ty jesi strateg, a drugi sut". Črěz několiko dnjev Lisandr, zastavši atinjanov iznenadsko, [[Bitva pri Egospotamah|položil jim konec]]. Ta poražka stala rěšajučeju: dominovavša na morje spartanska flota obsadila Atiny, i atinjani byli prinudženi kapitulovati v 404 godu do n.e. Ostrěgavši se spartancev, Alkibiad rěšil prělězti v Bitiniju. Ale tam jego ograbili razbojniki-trakijci, i on oddal se pod patronaž persijskogo satrapa Farnabaza. Satrap gosteprijemno jego prijel i oselil v svojih vlastničstvah, v oseljenju Grinij v toj že Bitiniji. Suglasno Plutarhu i Nepotu, on daže htěl odpraviti se k dvoru persijskogo kralja [[Artakserks II|Artakserksa II]], kamo on nadějal se dojehati s pomočju Farnabaza. V Atinah demokracija byla likvidovana, i po prědloženju Teramena byla organizovana vlada iz [[Trideset tiranov|Trideseti tiranov]]. Faktičny lider vlady, [[Kritij]], viděl v njim opasnogo konkurenta, ktory mogl by stati vodžem demokratičnyh sil. Kritij ubědil Lisandra, že Alkibiad može utrudniti spartansku hegemoniju nad Grecijeju. Lisandr soglasil se s jego dovodami. Pomimo, iz Sparty jemu prišlo poslanje, v ktorom prikazyvalo se ubiti Alkibiada. Lisandr odpravil poslanje Farnabazu s prosboju ubiti Alkibiada. Farnabaz poručil to dělo svojemu bratu Bageju i svojemu stryjcu Suzamitre. V toj čas Alkibiad žil s heteroju Timandroju. Plutarh tak opisyval smrt Alkibiada: [[Fajl:La mort d'Alcibiade Philippe Chéry 1791.jpg|thumb|upright=1.35|''Smrt Alkibiada''. [[Filip Šeri]], 1791. Muzej hudožstv, [[La Rošelj]].]] <blockquote>Vojdti v dom ubijci ne rěšili se, ale okružili jego i podpalili. Ugleděvši počevši se požar, Alkibiad sobral vse, kakе udalo se, plašče i pokryvala, i nakydal jih svrhu na ogonj, a potom, obmotavši lěvu ruku hlamidoju, a v pravoj stiskavši gotovy meč, udačno prošel črěz plamenje, prědže čim uspěli zagorěti kydnute jim plašče, i, javivši se prěd varvarami, razsějal jih samym svojim oblikom. Nikto ne směl prěgraditi jemu put ili vstupiti s njim v bojku, ale odběgši dalje, oni metali kopja i puščali strěly. Nakonec Alkibiad upadl, i varvari oddalili se; tutčas Timandra podjela jego tělo s zemji, obmotala i – nakoliko jej dostavalo srědstv – pogrebla<ref>Plutarh. Alkibiad. 39</ref></blockquote> == Ličnost == [[Fajl:Henryk Siemiradzki 002.jpg|thumb|300px|right|G. Semiradsky. Sokrat zastavaje svojego učenika Alkibiada u hetery]] Kako pisali pozdnějše historiki, uže v času mladosti, zajedno s blagorodnymi črtami haraktera i nezlymi sposobnostami on projavjal sebeljubje, legkomyslje, drzost, aroganciju i strastnu ambiciju byti vsekde prvym. Jego krasivost, vysoko proizhodženje i vplyv Perikla nabyli jemu množstvo prijateljev i občudovateljev; veliky vliv na njego imal takože Sokrat, ale dobre strany jego haraktera uže ne mogli poběditi zle. V to že vrěme on imal defekt rěči (rotacizm), ktory od njego naslědili jego syni. === Privatno žitje === Оd 447 goda do n.e. Alkibiad dorastl v domu Perikla. Jego opekunami stali Perikl i jego brat Aritron. V uslovjah vsesvětovogo obožanja Alkibiad dorastl krajno razvratnym. Uže v času mladosti on vedl žitje, zapolnjeno neporednyh ljubovnyh svezij. Historik Eduard Mejer izrěkl mněnje, že Perikl htěl, že Alkibiad stane jego političnym nastupnikom, ibo jego syni Ksantip i Paral ne imali osoblivyh talentov. Alkibiad, věrojetno, odčuval revnivost k glavniku atinskogo polisa, a drugi našeptyvali jemu vzeti vladu v polisu. Veliko značenje dlja Alkibiada imali jego odnošenja s Sokratom. V to vrěme, koliko drugyh privlěkala jego krasivost, toliko Sokrat ugleděl jego dobre prirodne kakosti, ktore on nadějal ses razviti v hlapčiku. Alkibiad ženil se s Hipparetoju, dočerju Hipponika iz roda Kerikov, beruči od njej pridatok 10 talentov. Poslě togo, kak ona rodila jemu syna, Alkibiad požedal ješče 10 talentov, "tvrdeči, že byl taky ugovor na slučaj, ako pojavet se děti". Potom Alkibiad načel izměnjati jej s heterami. Tutčas ona ušla k svojemu bratu Kalliju i rěšila podati na razvod. Kogda ona prišla na Agoru, daby podati arhontu trěbovanje o razvodu, javivši se Alkibiad "iznenadsko shvatil jej i ponesl ju črěz vsu plošču do doma"<ref name="plutarh8">Plutarh. Akibiad. 8</ref>. Od jej braka s Alkibiadom urodilo se dvoje dětij: syn Alkibiad i dočera, ime ktoroj jest nevědomo. Takože Alkibiad imal syna Leotihida od spartanskoj kraljevy Timeje. Nahodivši se na Samosu v 411 godu do n.e., on vstupil v svez s něktorymi samosskymi aristokratkami. Pozdněje jih potomki nazyvali svojim prědkom Alkibiada, napriklad, historik hellinističskoj epohy Durid. === Politične pogledy === [[Fajl:Alcibades being taught by Socrates, François-André Vincent.jpg|right|thumb|250px|Alkibiad polučaje lekcije od Sokrata]] V učenju Sokrata jego prěd vsem privlěkali aristokratične i antidemokratične strany. Sokrat mněl, že vladu nad polisom dolžni sut iměti lěpši ljudi. Alkibiad, znajuči svoje talenty, mněl sebe jednym iz tyh lěpših ljudij i skryto rval se k tiraničskoj vladě v polisu. Plutarh povědal jednu historiju, ktora harakterizuje jego sklonnost k tiraniji. Někogda on prišel k Periklu, ale jemu skazali, že on jest zajety — on razmysljal nad raportom narodnomu věču. Tutčas Alkibiad, uhodeči, skazal: "A ne lěpje bylo by jemu pomysliti o tom, daby voobče ne davati raportov?"<ref name="plutarh7" /> Jednako, buduči ostražnym, on ne načel odkryto pokazyvati svoju ambiciju k tiraniji, a stvoril heteriju, ktora po svojej sučnosti byla antidemokratičnoju. Počevši političnu dějateljnost, Alkibiad v tečenju slědujučih peti rokov nabiral popularnost v polisu. Poslě triumfalnogo povratka Alkibiada v Atiny mnogi očekyvali, že on zahvati vladu v polisu. "Kako mněnje imal Alkibiad o tiraniji, nam to jest nevědomo", pisal Plutarh<ref name="plutarh35">Plutarh. Alkibiad. 35</ref>. Jednako on ne sdělal togo kroka. Historik Igor Surikov mni, že v jego svědomosti ješče byli silne elementy polisnoj mentalnosti: on dorastl i formoval se kak ličnost v obsrědině atinskoj demokracije, v ktoroj byla silna nenavist k tiraniji. === Oratorske sposobnosti === Alkibiad byl naděljeny darom krasnorěčivosti, bez obzira na svoj rotacizm. To imalo veliko značenje v uslovjah atinskoj demokracije, kogda vse pytanja državnogo žitja rěšali se v času odkrytoj diskusije. Plutarh pisal ob oratorskom talentu Alkibiada: <blockquote>«Hoti proizhodženje, bogatstvo, projavjeno v bitvah mužstvo, poddržka mnogočislnyh drugov i srodnikov odkryvali jemu široky dostup k državnym dělam, Alkibiad preferoval, daby jego vliv v narodu byl osnovany na jego daru slova. A že on byl majstr v govorjenju, o tom posvědčajut i komiki, i [[Demosten|največši iz oratorov]], ktory v rěči protiv Midiju priměčaje, že Alkibiad, kromě ostalyh svojih dostojenstv, byl nadobyčajno krasnorečivym.»<ref name="plutarh10">Plutarh. Alkibiad. 10</ref></blockquote> === Talent vojennogo načelnika === V vojennoj sferě Alkibiad pridaval veliko značenje vojenno-morskoj flotě i razširjenju sfery jego koristanja. V načelu Sicilijskoj ekspedicije Alkibiad dobil se něktoryh uspěhov. To byl prvy slučaj, kogda Alkibiad rukovodil vojskami. Svojimi uspěhami on potvrdil svoj talent vojennogo načelnika. Ale bolje vsego on projavil se v času kampanije v Mramornom morju v 411—408 godah do n.e. V rezultatu tamtoj kampanije Peloponesska vojna byla skoro na prělomu, a prěvaga v vojně okazala se na straně Atin. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Literatura == === Prvotne iztočniky === * [[Tukidid]]. Historija * [[Plutarh]]. Sravniteljne životopisy. Alkibiad * [[Ksenofont]]. Grečska historija * [[Diodor Sicilijsky]]. Historična biblioteka === Izslědovanja === * {{Cite book |last=Суриков |first=И.Е. |date=2011 |title=Античная Греция : политики в контексте эпохи. Година междоусобиц. |url= |trans-title= |language=ru |location=Москва |publisher=Русский Фонд Содействия Образованию и Науке |page= |isbn=978-5-91244-030-4 |access-date=}} {{Članok s zvězdoju}} [[Kategorija:Greki]] [[Kategorija:Antičnost]] tq3f75l9ycja2ynbq3hb3247avae87c 0 612 28879 3866 2026-07-16T12:14:19Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28879 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2024-10}} [[Fajl:Mint bread kvas.jpg|thumb|Kvas]] [[Fajl:Spier 21 Gables.jpg|thumb|Vino]] [[Fajl:Samogon Cocktail.jpg|thumb|Samogon]] '''Alkoholny napitok''' jest napoj, ktory sodrživaje etanol. Jestvujut mnoge različne alkoholne napitky, napriměr: kvas, [[pivo]], [[vino]], vodka, samogon, gorělka. Večinstvo iz njih proizvodet se [[kvašenje]]m. [[Kategorija:Alkohol]] 36658c62zf9n5d7lk48qq7b2o40b6ru 0 614 28880 3873 2026-07-16T12:14:25Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28880 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=2023-05}} [[Fajl:Alps 2007-03-13 10.10UTC 1px-250m.jpg|thumb|Satelitno gleděnje na Alpy]] '''Alpy''' ({{Jezyky|de|Alpen|fr|Alpes|it|Alpi|sl|Alpe}}) sut najvysoke i najprostranne [[gory]], ktore nahodet se cělo v [[Evropa|Evropě]]<ref>{{Cite encyclopedia|title=Alps|encyclopedia=The Hutchinson unabridged encyclopedia with atlas and weather guide|date=2014|publisher=Helicon|place=Abington, United Kingdom|url=http://search.credoreference.com/content/entry/heliconhe/alps/0|url-access=subscription|language=en}}</ref> i razpinajut okolo {{Formatnum|1200}} km v 8 alpskyh državah (s zapada do iztoku): [[Francija|Franciji]], [[Švejcarija|Švejcariji]], [[Italija|Italiji]], [[Monako|Monaku]], [[Lihtenštejn]]u, [[Avstrija|Avstriji]], [[Němcija|Němciji]] i [[Slovenija|Sloveniji]]. Gory formovali se desetky milionov rokov, kda afrikanska i evrazijska [[Tektonična plošča|tektonične ploščy]] natolkali se. [[Monblan]] na francuzsko-italijanskoj granicě jest najvysoka gora Alp ({{Formatnum|4810}} m). Alpy imajut bolje 100 gor, ktore vyše {{Formatnum|4000}} m. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Alps|revizija=837820088}} [[Kategorija:Gory]] [[Kategorija:Evropa]] mrvv5njt20hnpxadkobx4xk0o39nupq 0 615 28881 3880 2026-07-16T12:14:31Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28881 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} [[Fajl:Lenguas altaicas2025.png | thumb | 300px | Mapa altajskyh jezykov:{{Legenda|blue|Turkijske jezyky}}{{Legenda|green|Mongolske jezyky}}{{Legenda|red|Tungusske jezyky}}{{Legenda|orange|Korejsky jezyk}}{{Legenda|purple|Japonsky jezyk}}]] '''Altajske jezyky''' sut hipotetična jezyčna rodina, skladajuča se iz [[Turkijske jezyky|turkijskyh]], [[Mongolske jezyky|mongolskyh]] i [[Tungusske jezyky|tungusskyh]] jezykov, a suglasno poněkojim takože [[Korejske jezyky|korejskyh]] i [[Japonske jezyky|japonskyh]] jezykov. Do 1960-yh lět ona byla široko prijeta srěd jezykoznavcev, ale od togo časa večinstvo uznavaje, že shodnosti medžu njimi proizhodet od jezyčnyh kontaktov bolje neželi od občego prajezyka. Nyně uvažaje se, že altajske jezyky, zaměsto rodiny, sut [[jezyčny svez]] ({{Jezyky|de|Sprachbund}}). [[Kategorija:Jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Altajske jezyky| ]] ovwxacs5gxc3pv1h3se8ar26cksaqqy 0 616 28882 28264 2026-07-16T12:14:38Z Vipz 118 Migracija {{INTERWIKI}} do Vikidanyh 28882 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka aluminij}} '''Aluminij''' (hemičny simbol — '''{{-|Al}}''', od [[Latinsky jezyk|lat.]] ''Aluminium'') jest [[hemičny element]] 13. grupy 3. perioda [[Periodična sistema elementov|periodičnoj sistemy hemičnyh elementov]], imajuči atomny nomer 13. Prosta substancija aljminij je legky paramagnetičny [[metal]] srěbristo-běloj barvy. == Historija == Nazvanje elementa proishodi od [[Latinsky jezyk|lat.]] ''{{-|alumen}}'' — kamenec, alum (mineral aluminija). Vprvo aluminij byl iziskyvan danskym fizikom Hansom Erstedom ({{-|Hans Christian Ørsted}}) v lětu 1825. On je redukoval hlorid tutogo elementa amalgamoju kalija pri nagrěvanji i oddělil metal. Pozdněje Erstedov sposob byl izlěpšen Fridrihom Volerom ({{-|Friedrich Wöhler}}), koj jest koristal dlja redukovanja hlorida aluminijevogo do metala čisty metaličny kalij i takože je opisal himične svojstva aluminija. Vprvo polupromyslnym sposobom aluminij byl polučeny v lětu 1854 Sen-Klerom Deviljem ({{-|Henri Etienne Sainte-Claire Deville}}) et al. podolg metoda Volera, ale s zaměnoju kalija na vyše bezpečny natrij. Lěto po tom na Parižske izstavkě 1855 goda on je exponoval slitok metala, a v lětu 1856 je polučil aluminij elektrolizom raztopjenoj dvojnoj soli hlorida aluminija-natrija. == Fizične svojstva == * Metal srěbristo-běloj barvy, legky * Gustota — 2,712 kg/m³ * Topišče tehničnogo aluminija — 658 °{{-|C}}, aluminija vysoke čistoty — 660 °{{-|C}} * Udělna teplota topenja — 390 {{-|kJ}}/kg * Temperatura vrěnja — 2,518.8 °{{-|C}} * Udělna teplota izparenja — 10.53 MJ/kg * Udělna teplotna kapacita — 897 J/kg·K * Krěpkost (vremeno suprotivjenje napruženju) odlitogo aluminija — 10..12 kg/mm², deformovanogo — 18...25 kg/mm² * Tvrdost po Brinelu — 24—32 {{-|HB}} * Vysoka plastičnost: tehničsky — 35%, čisty — 50%, valjcuje se do tonkogo lista ili folie * Joungov modul — 70 GPa * Puasonovo odnošenje — 0.34 * Aluminij imaje vysoku elektrovodivost (37·10⁶ Sm/m — 65% od elektrovodivosti mědi) i teplovodivost (203·10⁵ {{-|W}}/(m·K)), ovladaje vysokoju světloodražajučju sposobnostju * Aluminij je slabym paramagnetikom * Temperaturny koeficient linearnogo razširenja 24.58⋅10⁻⁶ К⁻¹ (20—200 °{{-|C}}) * Udělno suprotivjenje 0.0262—0.0295 Ω·mm²/m * Temperaturny koefficient elekričnogo suprotivenja 4.3⋅10⁻³ K⁻¹. Aluminij prěhodi v supervodivo stanje pri temperature 1.2 К. * Tvrdost po Mosu — 2,75 * Aluminij tvori slitiny bez malogo so vsemi metalami. Najvyše znane sut jego slitiny s mědju (aluminjeve bronzy), magnijem (duraluminij) i kremnijem (siluminy). * Aluminij imaje priblizno dvukratno vysšu teplovodivost, než [[Želězo|železo]], i polovično taku, kako imaje [[měd]]. == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} == Vnešnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Алюминий}} [[Kategorija:Hemične elementy]] [[Kategorija:Metaly]] nvp2jwtpbdde82ecb3k0boi3drm420h 0 663 28914 28832 2026-07-16T20:32:12Z Atikin C 490 28914 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} {{Kartka država | status = Grad | alt_flag = Akropola vo Atinah |population_census_year=2021|population_census=643,452|area=1200}} [[Fajl:The Acropolis of Athens viewed from the Hill of the Muses (14220794964).jpg|alt=Akropola vo Atinah|thumb|Akropola vo Atinah]] '''Atiny''' (novogrečsky:<phonos file="El-Αθήνα.ogg"><span style="white-space:initial;"><span lang="el-Grek" class="Grek" style="font-style:normal">Αθήνα</span></span></phonos>^/? [aˈθina], starogrečsky: Ἀθῆναι ''Athênai) -'' jest glavny grad i največši grad [[Grecija|Grecije]]. V metropolregionu Atiny živut četvrt naselenja vsej [[Grecija|Grecijie]]. Grad jest nazvany v česty bogynje [[Atina|Atiny]]. Atiny sut naseljeny s neolitičnego perioda i poseljenje jest stalo črěz gody religioznym, političnem i kulturnym centrom [[Grecija|Grecije]].<ref>https://www.logo-buch.de/logo-aktiv/wissensbibliothek/christliches-lexikon/athen ( uviděny 16 julija 2026)</ref> [[Kategorija:Grady v Greciji]] [[Kategorija:Glavne grady v Evropě]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1524}} <references /> ig77zd0rcv9rg9s89vladgyw9hxyb3v 28922 28914 2026-07-16T20:36:54Z Atikin C 490 28922 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} {{Kartka država | status = Grad | alt_flag = Akropola vo Atinah |population_census_year=2021|population_census=643,452|area=1200}} [[Fajl:The Acropolis of Athens viewed from the Hill of the Muses (14220794964).jpg|alt=Akropola vo Atinah|thumb|Akropola vo Atinah]] '''Atiny''' (novogrečsky:<phonos file="El-Αθήνα.ogg"><span style="white-space:initial;"><span lang="el-Grek" class="Grek" style="font-style:normal">Αθήνα</span></span></phonos>^/? [aˈθina], starogrečsky: Ἀθῆναι ''Athênai) -'' jest glavny grad i največši grad [[Grecija|Grecije]]. V metropolregionu Atiny živut četvrt naselenja vsej [[Grecija|Grecijie]]. Grad jest nazvany v česty bogynje [[Atina|Atiny]]. Teritorija Atin jest naseljena s neolitičnego perioda i poseljenje modernogo Grada jest stalo s godami religioznym, političnem i kulturnym centrom [[Grecija|Grecije]].<ref>https://www.logo-buch.de/logo-aktiv/wissensbibliothek/christliches-lexikon/athen ( uviděny 16 julija 2026)</ref> [[Kategorija:Grady v Greciji]] [[Kategorija:Glavne grady v Evropě]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1524}} <references /> oyqvr0831lt9dktrxzq9o64v85duwnc 28930 28922 2026-07-16T21:22:04Z Atikin C 490 28930 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} {{Kartka država | status = Grad | alt_flag = Akropola vo Atinah |population_census_year=2021|population_census=643,452|area=1200}} [[Fajl:The Acropolis of Athens viewed from the Hill of the Muses (14220794964).jpg|alt=Akropola vo Atinah|thumb|Akropola vo Atinah]] '''Atiny''' (novogrečsky:<phonos file="El-Αθήνα.ogg"><span style="white-space:initial;"><span lang="el-Grek" class="Grek" style="font-style:normal">Αθήνα</span></span></phonos>^/? [aˈθina], starogrečsky: Ἀθῆναι ''Athênai) -'' jest glavny grad i največši grad [[Grecija|Grecije]]. V metropolregionu Atiny živut četvrt naselenja vsej [[Grecija|Grecijie]]. Grad jest nazvany v česty bogynje [[Atina|Atiny]]. Teritorija Atin jest naseljena s neolitičnego perioda i poseljenje modernogo Grada jest stalo s godami religioznym, političnem i kulturnym centrom [[Grecija|Grecije]].<ref>https://www.logo-buch.de/logo-aktiv/wissensbibliothek/christliches-lexikon/athen (uviděno 16 julija 2026)</ref> [[Kategorija:Grady v Greciji]] [[Kategorija:Glavne grady v Evropě]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1524}} <references /> knrjpymjxyex0ku5emwxl2pjvz12xts 0 726 28897 4680 2026-07-16T14:42:13Z IJzeren Jan 9 28897 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Borscht served.jpg|thumb|Miska boršča s koprom i udělom [[Smetana|smetany]]]] '''Boršč''' jest [[supa]], ktora obyčajna v [[Vozhodna Evropa|Vozhodnoj Evropě]] i [[Sěverna Azija|Sěvernoj Aziji]]. Najobyčajno boršč jest supa [[Slovjani|slovjanskogo]] pohodžeńja, ktory dělajut s [[Cvekla|cvekloju]] ako jednym iz glavnyh ingredientov i ktory imajet harakterističny črjveny kolor. Tože ime, jednako, imajut veliko čislo sup bez cvekly, take kak ščava supa («zeleny boršč»), žitovy běly boršč i kapustny boršč. Jego popularnost razprostranila se po Vozhodnoj Evropě i byvšej [[Rosijska imperija|Rosijskoj imperije]] i črěz migraciju na druge česti světa. V Sěvernoj Amerikě boršč često svezyvajut ili s jevrejami, ili s menonitami, grupami, ktore prvymi prinesli jego tudy iz Evropy. Slovo «boršč» proizhodi iz [[Praslovjansky jezyk|praslovjanskogo]] ''{{-|*bъrščь}}'' «[[borščevnik]]», čto samo proizhodi od [[Praindoevropejsky jezyk|praindoevropejskogo]] {{-|bhr̥sti-}} < {{-|*bhares-/bhores-}}. Borščevnik byl glavnym ingredientom supy, dopoka ne byl zaměnjeny drugoju zeleninoju, osoblivo cvekloju. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Borscht|revizija=899579953}} [[Kategorija:Jeda i napoj]] {{INTERWIKI|Q4551}} ipvbx56bbvgr2jq0zvvs5ec0etebphs 28898 28897 2026-07-16T14:48:09Z IJzeren Jan 9 28898 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Borscht served.jpg|thumb|Miska boršča s koprom i udělom [[Smetana|smetany]]]] '''Boršč''' jest [[supa]], ktora obyčajna v [[Vozhodna Evropa|Vozhodnoj Evropě]] i [[Sěverna Azija|Sěvernoj Aziji]]. Najobyčajno boršč jest supa [[Slovjani|slovjanskogo]] pohodžeńja, ktory dělajut s [[Cvekla|cvekloju]] ako jednym iz glavnyh ingredientov i ktory imajet harakterističny črjveny kolor. Tože ime, jednako, imajut veliko čislo sup bez cvekly, take kak ščava supa («zeleny boršč»), žitovy běly boršč i kapustny boršč. Jego popularnost razprostranila se po Vozhodnoj Evropě i byvšej [[Rosijska imperija|Rosijskoj imperije]] i črěz migraciju na druge česti světa. V Sěvernoj Amerikě boršč često svezyvajut ili s jevrejami, ili s menonitami, grupami, ktore prvymi prinesli jego tudy iz Evropy. Slovo «boršč» proizhodi iz [[Praslovjansky jezyk|praslovjanskogo]] ''*{{-|bъrščь}}'' «[[borščevnik]]», čto samo proizhodi od [[Praindoevropejsky jezyk|praindoevropejskogo]] *{{-|bhr̥sti-}} < *{{-|bhares-/bhores-}}. Borščevnik byl glavnym ingredientom supy, dopoka ne byl zaměnjeny drugoju zeleninoju, osoblivo cvekloju. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Borscht|revizija=899579953}} [[Kategorija:Jeda i napoj]] {{INTERWIKI|Q4551}} 60g4jkf9atdg1uskzfev0ehlihg6p3a 0 875 28954 5824 2026-07-17T05:59:48Z Ilja isv 10 28954 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Fantastika, Fikcija fantastična''' — žanr literatury, kina, muziky, igr, rysovanja i drugyh oblastej umětnosti. Toj žanr ima fantastične elementy, ktore ne sut vidime ili ne sut možlive v našem realnom světu. V prostom govoru mnogih ljudij slova "fantastika", "sci-fi" i "fantazi" mogut byti sinonimične. Ale v oficijnyh normah zapadnyh<ref>{{-|https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastyka}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref> i iztočnyh<ref>{{-|https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref> slovjanskyh jezykov, takože v bulgarskom jezyku<ref>{{-|https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref>, slovo "fantastika" označaje žanr, ktory vklučaje v sebe: sci-fi, horor, fantazi, magičny realizm, alternativnu historiju, superherojsko kino i t.d., kiberpank, stimpank, bajky, i t.d. V oficijnyh normah hrvatskogo jezyka za toj žanr jest slovo "spekulativna fikcija"<ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spekulativna_fikcija}}</ref>, i slovo "fantastika" ima vyše vuzky smysl i naleži do stilja "fantazi" <ref{{-|>https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref>. == Stily == Razděl žanra "fantastika" na različne stily ne jest strogy. Mnoge tvorby žanra "fantastika" jest možlivo klasifikovati do několikyh stilej. Něktore tvorby ne jest možno klasifikovati ni do jednogo stilja. * '''Naučna fantastika''', Sci-fi  — fantastične elementy sut naučne ili tehnične iznahodky. Obyčajno v sci-fi pokazyvajut budučnost. Fantastične elementy trěbujut byti podolg pravil nauky, aktualnyh v čas pisanja tvorby. Ako tvorba ide ne podolg naukě, tu tvorbu možno klasifikovati kako drugy stil fantastiky — "fantazi". * '''[[Fantazi]]''' — fantastične elementy tvorby sut magične. * '''Horor''' — fantastične elementy tvorby provokujut strah. * '''Magičny realizm''' — mikstura realističnogo života i magičnyh ili folklornyh elementov. == Iztočniky == Tuty članok ima prěvod iz članka Vikipedije: [[:bg:Фантастика|Fantastika]] {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Fantastika| ]] [[Kategorija:Žanry]] {{INTERWIKI|Q132311}} a0xfm6gpb9p0szn3gxyxzunzz8dtufi 28955 28954 2026-07-17T06:00:32Z Ilja isv 10 28955 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Fantastika, Fikcija fantastična''' — žanr literatury, kina, muziky, igr, rysovanja i drugyh oblastej umětnosti. Toj žanr ima fantastične elementy, ktore ne sut vidime ili ne sut možlive v našem realnom světu. V prostom govoru mnogih ljudij slova "fantastika", "sci-fi" i "fantazi" mogut byti sinonimične. Ale v oficijnyh normah zapadnyh<ref>{{-|https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastyka}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref> i iztočnyh<ref>{{-|https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref> slovjanskyh jezykov, takože v bulgarskom jezyku<ref>{{-|https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref>, slovo "fantastika" označaje žanr, ktory vklučaje v sebe: sci-fi, horor, fantazi, magičny realizm, alternativnu historiju, superherojsko kino i t.d., kiberpank, stimpank, bajky, i t.d. V oficijnyh normah hrvatskogo jezyka za toj žanr jest slovo "spekulativna fikcija"<ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spekulativna_fikcija}}</ref>, i slovo "fantastika" ima vyše vuzky smysl i naleži do stilja "fantazi" <ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref>. == Stily == Razděl žanra "fantastika" na različne stily ne jest strogy. Mnoge tvorby žanra "fantastika" jest možlivo klasifikovati do několikyh stilej. Něktore tvorby ne jest možno klasifikovati ni do jednogo stilja. * '''Naučna fantastika''', Sci-fi  — fantastične elementy sut naučne ili tehnične iznahodky. Obyčajno v sci-fi pokazyvajut budučnost. Fantastične elementy trěbujut byti podolg pravil nauky, aktualnyh v čas pisanja tvorby. Ako tvorba ide ne podolg naukě, tu tvorbu možno klasifikovati kako drugy stil fantastiky — "fantazi". * '''[[Fantazi]]''' — fantastične elementy tvorby sut magične. * '''Horor''' — fantastične elementy tvorby provokujut strah. * '''Magičny realizm''' — mikstura realističnogo života i magičnyh ili folklornyh elementov. == Iztočniky == Tuty članok ima prěvod iz članka Vikipedije: [[:bg:Фантастика|Fantastika]] {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Fantastika| ]] [[Kategorija:Žanry]] {{INTERWIKI|Q132311}} qn4wcfod6a8gukdhqkghhvcj6q2l8c9 28956 28955 2026-07-17T06:01:11Z Ilja isv 10 28956 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Fantastika, Fikcija fantastična''' — žanr literatury, kina, muziky, igr, rysovanja i drugyh oblastej umětnosti. Toj žanr ima fantastične elementy, ktore ne sut vidime ili ne sut možlive v našem realnom světu. V prostom govoru mnogih ljudij slova "fantastika", "{{-|sci-fi}}" i "fantazi" mogut byti sinonimične. Ale v oficijnyh normah zapadnyh<ref>{{-|https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastyka}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref> i iztočnyh<ref>{{-|https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref> slovjanskyh jezykov, takože v bulgarskom jezyku<ref>{{-|https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref>, slovo "fantastika" označaje žanr, ktory vklučaje v sebe: sci-fi, horor, fantazi, magičny realizm, alternativnu historiju, superherojsko kino i t.d., kiberpank, stimpank, bajky, i t.d. V oficijnyh normah hrvatskogo jezyka za toj žanr jest slovo "spekulativna fikcija"<ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spekulativna_fikcija}}</ref>, i slovo "fantastika" ima vyše vuzky smysl i naleži do stilja "fantazi" <ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref>. == Stily == Razděl žanra "fantastika" na različne stily ne jest strogy. Mnoge tvorby žanra "fantastika" jest možlivo klasifikovati do několikyh stilej. Něktore tvorby ne jest možno klasifikovati ni do jednogo stilja. * '''Naučna fantastika''', Sci-fi  — fantastične elementy sut naučne ili tehnične iznahodky. Obyčajno v sci-fi pokazyvajut budučnost. Fantastične elementy trěbujut byti podolg pravil nauky, aktualnyh v čas pisanja tvorby. Ako tvorba ide ne podolg naukě, tu tvorbu možno klasifikovati kako drugy stil fantastiky — "fantazi". * '''[[Fantazi]]''' — fantastične elementy tvorby sut magične. * '''Horor''' — fantastične elementy tvorby provokujut strah. * '''Magičny realizm''' — mikstura realističnogo života i magičnyh ili folklornyh elementov. == Iztočniky == Tuty članok ima prěvod iz članka Vikipedije: [[:bg:Фантастика|Fantastika]] {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Fantastika| ]] [[Kategorija:Žanry]] {{INTERWIKI|Q132311}} 7bfv9j2jpivw2up8mw5g9ucbt9bxl7o 28957 28956 2026-07-17T06:01:39Z Ilja isv 10 /* Stily */ 28957 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Fantastika, Fikcija fantastična''' — žanr literatury, kina, muziky, igr, rysovanja i drugyh oblastej umětnosti. Toj žanr ima fantastične elementy, ktore ne sut vidime ili ne sut možlive v našem realnom světu. V prostom govoru mnogih ljudij slova "fantastika", "{{-|sci-fi}}" i "fantazi" mogut byti sinonimične. Ale v oficijnyh normah zapadnyh<ref>{{-|https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastyka}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://cs.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref> i iztočnyh<ref>{{-|https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref><ref>{{-|https://uk.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref> slovjanskyh jezykov, takože v bulgarskom jezyku<ref>{{-|https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A4%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B0}}</ref>, slovo "fantastika" označaje žanr, ktory vklučaje v sebe: sci-fi, horor, fantazi, magičny realizm, alternativnu historiju, superherojsko kino i t.d., kiberpank, stimpank, bajky, i t.d. V oficijnyh normah hrvatskogo jezyka za toj žanr jest slovo "spekulativna fikcija"<ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spekulativna_fikcija}}</ref>, i slovo "fantastika" ima vyše vuzky smysl i naleži do stilja "fantazi" <ref>{{-|https://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantastika}}</ref>. == Stily == Razděl žanra "fantastika" na različne stily ne jest strogy. Mnoge tvorby žanra "fantastika" jest možlivo klasifikovati do několikyh stilej. Něktore tvorby ne jest možno klasifikovati ni do jednogo stilja. * '''Naučna fantastika''', {{-|Sci-fi}}  — fantastične elementy sut naučne ili tehnične iznahodky. Obyčajno v sci-fi pokazyvajut budučnost. Fantastične elementy trěbujut byti podolg pravil nauky, aktualnyh v čas pisanja tvorby. Ako tvorba ide ne podolg naukě, tu tvorbu možno klasifikovati kako drugy stil fantastiky — "fantazi". * '''[[Fantazi]]''' — fantastične elementy tvorby sut magične. * '''Horor''' — fantastične elementy tvorby provokujut strah. * '''Magičny realizm''' — mikstura realističnogo života i magičnyh ili folklornyh elementov. == Iztočniky == Tuty članok ima prěvod iz članka Vikipedije: [[:bg:Фантастика|Fantastika]] {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Fantastika| ]] [[Kategorija:Žanry]] {{INTERWIKI|Q132311}} bbspuoxccd30rwf1guu3jrbvp5ocqef 4 1052 28885 28809 2026-07-16T12:39:38Z LiMr 20 /* LiMr */ Odgovor 28885 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) 9hrknywjugzgt54oaqnzk83g7o6tjce 28886 28885 2026-07-16T12:41:23Z Ilja isv 10 /* LiMr */ Odgovor 28886 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) oqlwcqjaj240qmr9pxykbfrc8002i6o 28959 28886 2026-07-17T07:07:42Z Ilja isv 10 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28959 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) bxw67alyt5gzo63dnzpqyuemeixc9mk 28963 28959 2026-07-17T07:33:01Z Ilja isv 10 /* LiMr */ Odgovor 28963 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se atal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) 8hp6fmkegnb1jmjokyxpk25ji55g81z 28964 28963 2026-07-17T07:33:21Z Ilja isv 10 /* LiMr */ 28964 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) fqyezq51lev3ohiio0lvwt6m4fp8wqj 28965 28964 2026-07-17T07:34:31Z Ilja isv 10 /* Vikidane */ 28965 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) dj7geyyq7fv2lnbtrtxnrafikjnebmv 28969 28965 2026-07-17T07:57:57Z Polda18 18 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28969 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) p9ekrmii91fwrggp6gl3jd57xw0b7rp 28970 28969 2026-07-17T08:01:17Z Ilja isv 10 /* Pěskovišče dlja modulov */ Odgovor 28970 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) e4ew0hgfhqitjd631p25t3wl02vcef1 28971 28970 2026-07-17T08:11:54Z Ilja isv 10 /* Pěskovišče dlja modulov */ Odgovor 28971 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) meqcu4st51nwzghzrs1j1pxu6c1z8nx 28972 28971 2026-07-17T08:30:19Z Polda18 18 /* Pěskovišče dlja modulov */ Odgovor 28972 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) 2fay2kpurjoibw2ryo72a3s3lh6v2b0 28973 28972 2026-07-17T08:34:45Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* LiMr */ Odgovor 28973 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) o00rez4o3rj61jgad8b4r4tziz9umjf 28977 28973 2026-07-17T08:44:40Z Ilja isv 10 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28977 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) inmt3bg26er4vol6jlr916dbxxdbud5 28980 28977 2026-07-17T08:53:23Z Polda18 18 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28980 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) 6z1lt3m08f0i9agfiphiuk8hfjv8v86 28981 28980 2026-07-17T08:54:01Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28981 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) rbxtppeppwjcsxos9i4r9afo4i5a6lw 28982 28981 2026-07-17T08:54:39Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Vikidane */ 28982 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) iaksny811tfdntz5wbd6sivy70munjf 28983 28982 2026-07-17T09:04:33Z Ilja isv 10 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28983 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude: ::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno ::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI ::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov ::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) dwtyihfri4a08u3qe56w633zdo421f7 28984 28983 2026-07-17T09:23:40Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Vikidane */ Odgovor 28984 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude: ::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno ::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI ::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov ::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) 1gdklskooopbknxmqo56rzl6bfy7o55 28992 28984 2026-07-17T11:28:54Z Polda18 18 /* Divno provodženje šablona */ nova sekcija 28992 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude: ::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno ::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI ::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov ::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Divno provodženje šablona == Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) kbgs0spttkrdemt3gk3ghfj3ed7btao 28995 28992 2026-07-17T11:53:22Z Polda18 18 /* Divno provodženje šablona */ Odgovor 28995 wikitext text/x-wiki __NEWSECTIONLINK__ {{Zaglavje krčmy}} <!--- Napišite svoje soobčenje niže ---> == Link na Diskord-server na Glavnoj stranici == Na Glavnoj stranici tut: Ако вы имајете какеколи пытан​ја, проблемы, примєткы или прєдложен​ја, поставите јих в '''[[Incubator:Krčma|крчмє обчины]]''' или [https://discord.gg/nhRuYAc5Uq нашем Дискорд-серверу]. Diskord-link vede na server Safronowiec, ktory uže malo čto imaje občo s MS i vikipedijeju. Imaje li smysl jego izmeniti na aktualny MS Diskord? Ili takože dodati link na Telegram-čat? Velika hvala. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 06:45, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] – Čestno govoreči, ja ne jesm na Diskordu i ne znaju te servery. Jest li tam někaka grupa, ktora specifično zajmaje se MS Vikipedijeju? Ako ne, može bylo by lěpje dodati link k grupě na Telegramu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:39, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, možno dati link na tuty razdel Diskorda, gde diskutuje se rabota na Vikipedii ::[[discord:channels/879438774323535914/1284479085871104075|• Discord | "Medžuslovjanska Wikipedija" | Medžuslovjansky • Меджусловјанскы • Interslavic]] ::či takože na telegram https://t.me/interslavic_wikipedia, ale myslim by bylo dobro prěd tym zapytati tamnogo admina ili vlastnika. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:13, 5 January 2026 (UTC) :::Grupa na Telegramu jest nemnožko aktivnějša, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:28, 5 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Takože jestvuje stary Diskord-server za Medžuviki: https://discord.gg/Yp5QfFCPny, ktorogo vodil Lev. Oboje dnes neaktivny. Jestvuje li potrěba iměti sobstveny Diskord-server za Vikipediju? Forum-nit ne jest mnogo primětna. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 09:35, 6 January 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, tam ješče někto byvaje iz redaktorov, dodam tuty link do glavnoj stranicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:58, 6 January 2026 (UTC) == Prědustavjeno pismo == Zdrav surabotniki! Jest nužno organizovati (povtoriti) razpravu o preferovanom pismu medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije na domenu Fundacije Vikimedija, da byhmo iměli osnovu za tehničnu rabotu ktora odnese se na naše jezyčne kody <code>isv</code>, <code>isv-Latn</code>, and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> na Fabrikatoru ({{-|phabricator.wikimedia.org}}). [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Kavarnja#Vikipedija_na_med%C5%BEuslovjanskom Diskusije organizovane na sajtu Miraheze] – na Fabrikatoru oni ne uvažajut. Slědovateljno otvarjaju ovu diskusiju: ktoro pismo preferujemo i začto? – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC) Hey Vipz, I'll respond in English, so that members of the Language Committee will be able to follow this conversation as well. A few months ago, I went through all articles we have, and found that about 2/3 of our articles use the Latin alphabet and 1/3 use Cyrillic. Although I am not active on social media myself, I have the impression that the situation there is similar: the majority uses Latin, but a sizeable minority uses Cyrillic. Since Latin and Cyrillic being equal is one of the main design criteria of Interslavic, the conclusion is simple: it should be possible to use both alphabets, and they should, ''as far as possible'', be served equally well. In other words, we need a bidrectional script converter. I've been looking around a bit and found ca. 20 Wikipedia editions that work with some kind of script converter: * Our own converter runs on Javascript and has three options: the source page (Lat/Cyr), the Latin transliteration and the Cyrillic translation. It has the advantage that the system remembers the preferred script of the user, apparently by means of a cookie. In mainspace articles, this converter only transliterates the text, but not the page name and not the categories. On category pages, it transliterates the titles of the articles and subcategories it contains, as well as system messages like "Тхе фолловинг 4 пагес аре ин тхис цатегоры, оут оф 4 тотал." The only established Wikipedia with a converter that works like this is [[:got:|Gothic]]. * [[:sr:|Serbian]], [[:uz:|Uzbek]], [[:ku:|Kurdish]], [[:chr:|Crimean Tatar]], [[:iu:|Inuktitut]] and [[:shi:|Tachelhit]] have PHP-based converters with the same three options (f.ex. source, Lat., Kir.). Information about the script is contained in the URL. The system does not remember one's preferred script, so when a page is opened, it is always the source text that is displayed first. This converter also converts the page title and the categories it is in. On category pages it does the opposite from our current converter: it transliterates the page title and the categories it is in, but not the titles of the pages and the subcategories it contains. * [[:sh:|Serbocroatian]], [[:tg:|Tajik]], [[:tly:|Talysh]] and [[:zgh:|Amazigh]] have PHP-based converters with two only options (for example: Latinica/Ћирилица). As I've understood, these converters are unidirectional, so that all pages must be written in the same script. For the rest, they work the same as Serbian. * The Chinese ones (zh, wuu, gan, zh-yue) seem to work like either Serbian or Serbocroatian, but since I can't read Chinese, I haven't taken any closer look at them. * [[:tt:|Tatar]] and [[:cv:|Chuvash]] have one or sometimes two buttons next to the page name. Everything is transliterated, even the menu on the left. Appears to run on JavaScript. * [[:ban:|Balinese]] has no less than five variations, but I can't quite figure out how it works. It seems like it shows some transliteration version by default, but I'm not sure about that. * [[:mni:|Meitei]] offers transliteration into Bengali script, but that works only for the categories underneath a page and the first letters on category pages. * [[:cu:|Church Slavonic]]: every page has three links for three different script variants (including Glagolitic), but they don't seem to work anymore. [[:ang:|Anglo-Saxon]] has a similar thing that actually works. * Another five projects (ug, bug, hak, bbc, gom) have multiple scripts but instead of a converter they sometimes contain multiple versions of the same article, for example [[:bug:Balanda]]. We have done that too in the beginning, but it's way too high-maintenance to be workable. I've been told that JavaScript is considered a bad idea, because it doesn't work properly in Wikipedia apps for cell phones. This means that we need to use the PHP solution, and since we need the converter to be bidirectional, our only option is the solution used for Serbian. This does, however, have a few disadvantages: # It transliterates page titles, which is not always what we want. This shouldn't be problematic though, since the page title can be manipulated with a template, for example here: [[:sr:З (слово ћирилице)]] # However, it also transliterates the names of categories, which means that Latin and Cyrillic articles are all tossed into the same category. Articles names are listed there untransliterated. This is problematic, because we must consider that not every Latin-writing person can read Cyrillic, and not every Cyrillic-writing person can read the Latin alphabet. # Even if a category full of articles written in the Latin alphabet is transliterated into Cyrillic, it does not only show them in the Latin alphabet, but also in the alphabetical order of the Latin alphabet. # A user who prefers one of the two alphabets has to change it manually for each and every page. So here's my own preferred solution, if possible: # It can work exactly like the converter on Serbian Wikipedia does, except for one thing: it should NOT transliterate category names. # Instead, we have parallel categories for Latin and Cyrillic. Every article written in the Latin alphabet is placed in Latin categories and has a redirect in Cyrillic, which is placed in the Cyrillic counterparts of these categories. Articles with titles that cannot be transliterated, like [[Microsoft]] or [[Ж]], can be placed in both categories. This is, basically, the current situation. It has the advantage that every article can be found by navigating though the categories, and that they are placed in the correct alphabetical order (which for Cyrillic is different from the Latin order). # I am aware of the fact that this solution is not perfect: a Cyrillic user who follows a Cyrillic redirect will still end up with a Latin article in Latin categories, even if he switches to Cyrillic. This cannot be helped, I'm afraid. UNLESS it would be technically possible that the categories under a Latin article link to Latin categories, and the categories under a Cyrillic article to their Cyrillic equivalents. Would such a thing be possible? # It is not a matter of life or death, but it would be nice if a user's preferred orthography could be stored in a cookie, so that he/she won't have to change the orthography manually every time. This would be a nice-to-have. There are a few other issues, too, but I'll get back to that later. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:57, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan! This is a very insightful and nuanced reply. The issue of not having a default script on multi-scipt Wikimedia projects affects editors more so than readers. As of 2026, multi-script editing is, unfortunately, nothing more than a seldom mentioned concept ([https://diff.wikimedia.org/2018/03/12/supporting-languages-multiple-writing-systems/ Diff 2018 community blog article]; [[:c:File:Editing challenges on multi-script wikis (with speaker notes).pdf|Wikimania 2017 presentation]]). Some editors are less proficient or efficient with one of the scripts, and many do not know one or the other at all, and will therefore be uncomfortable editing articles in the said script. Until multi-script editing becomes a reality, having a default script is an option to be considered; whether it is a sensible sacrifice—to the benefit of one group (a majority) and detriment of the other (a minority)—is subjective, but alas. The other thing which concerns designation of a default script are fallback choices: <code>isv</code> should ''probably'' have a fallback sequence to one of the scripts, which ''could'' solve the issue of the system not recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv isv]</code> while recognizing <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Latn isv-Latn]</code> and <code>[https://codelookup.toolforge.org/isv-Cyrl isv-Cyrl]</code>. In other words, we ought to support <code>isv</code>, but it makes no sense to translate it separately from <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code>, unless we intend to have an unwieldy and hideous solution to not favoring one or the other – by including them both in every localized interface, namespace, or message element. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|talk]] · [[Koristnik:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 10:07, 10 January 2026 (UTC) ::Well, I think we shouldn't be over-zealous, but on the other hand, it's been almost twenty years now since I got involved with this language, and I can assure you that the alphabet issue has been a thing almost since day one. Every possible option between Latin-only and Cyrillic-only has its ardent supporters, and even though the Latin alphabet is used more often for Interslavic than Cyrillic, it remains a fact that about 3/4 of all Slavic people use Cyrillic. So treating one of them as merely a transliterated version of the other is out of the question. But it is also true that the average Pole, Czech or Slovene cannot read Cyrillic, whereas most Russians, Ukrainians and Bulgarians know the Latin alphabet at least to some degree, which gives the Latin alphabet a slight advantage nonetheless. It's not entirely clear to me what you mean by "fallback option", but if it means that <code>isv</code> is interpreted as "<code>isv-Latn</code> unless specified otherwise", I'd be perfectly fine with that.<br />Of course, there will always be imperfections. For a person who only knows the Latin alphabet it will be difficult to correct a typo in the Cyrillic text, or even to expand it with Latin text. For now, I think we should stick to the principle that a page written in Cyrillic stays in Cyrillic, and ''tant pis'' if you can't handle Cyrillic. But honestly, I don't think that's much of a problem at the moment. Most Interslavic users can understand both alphabets, and I'm sure the problem of multi-script editing will solve itself at some point.<br />For the record, transliteration between Latin and Cyrillic is pretty straightforward. The only inconsistency is the '''њ/нј''' issue found also in Serbian, but that's a minor thing that can easily be solved. That still leaves us with a few issues addressed [[:meta:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Interslavic#Writing system related issues|here]] by @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]]. More specifically, s/he mentions the possibility of using not only the ex-Yugoslavia method for displaying Cyrillic, but also the Russian method (''лю'' instead of ''љу''). If I understand correctly that the source code looks like [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d0/Editing_challenges_on_multi-script_wikis_%28with_speaker_notes%29.pdf#page=29 this], such a thing could easily be implemented. The question is: do we want that? And another thing is that some users persistently use the etymological orthography (''mųž'', ''krålj'', etc.). If the converter can be programmed in such way that <code>'ų' => 'у'</code> and <code>'у' => 'u'</code>, then that would be a nice thing to have as well. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:40, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :I want to mention it's not the case that the user needs to change every page manually with MediaWiki LanguageConverter. The switcher at the top of the page is indeed temporary, but there is a setting in preferences that allows logged-in user to choose the variant they want. This is a separate option from the language of the interface. It seems to be more problematic for readers that aren't logged in. For them, it defaults to browser's settings (which obviously doesn't help most of the time), but Chinese Wikipedia displays a prompt allowing to choose the preferred variant on the first load, and then respects that choice (apparently with some javascript magic). I haven't checked thoroughly, but making it work seamlessly seems doable. Though, since each variant has a separate URL, I don't really understand why all links go to the default mixed variant instead of the one currently displayed. But anyway, I think the ability to do full-text search and making articles legible without Javascript is a big win. <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 04:54, 14 July 2026 (CEST) == Транслитерација со Јапонского == Поздрав! Какобы толико в източнословјанскых йезыках хирагану し / катакану シ транслитерујут како си/si. В вечинству језыков (вкључајучи словјански) пишут ши/shi/ši. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], може измєнити то [[Kacusika Hokusaj|сде]] на "Kacušika Hokusaj" або на "Kacušika Hokusai"? Како мыслите? --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 20:09, 10 January 2026 (UTC) :Pozdrav, Murade, nazva ''Kacusika Hokusaj'' byla uže raněje v spisu potrěbnyh člankov, zato ja jesm to ostavil. Možno jest izdělati re-direkt na na ''Katsušika Hokusaj'' i to bude izobražati se na stranice. Tutčas, obratno, ja jesm prědělal vse japonske slova v članku na "''si''", "''dzju''", "''dzjo''" vměsto "''ši''", "''džu''", "''džo''" (Hepburnovo romaji ''shi'', ''ju'', ''jo''), i t.d. da by vsečto bylo v jednom standardu, ili možem to vratiti i ostaviti, kako bylo, s koristanjem jedino romaji transkripcije bez jej prěvoda do kirilicy. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:55, 12 January 2026 (UTC) Po mojemu mněnju to ne jest dobry pomysl. Nakoliko ja znaju, toj spisok potrěbnyh člankov sdělal Lev, a on vse bazoval na russkoj transkripciji. Problem jest v tom, že ta transkripcija jest osnovana na principu, že v russkom suglasky prěd '''и''' i '''е''' sut avtomatično palatalizovane. Izgovor '''シ''' i '''チ''' zaisto zvuči bolje kako poljske {{-|'''ś'''}} i {{-|'''ć'''}} neželi kako russke '''ш''' i '''ч''', ale v medžuslovjanskom to ne rabotaje tako. Sdělal jesm tabelku s někojimi problematičnymi znakami i uvidite, že daže ukrajinsky i srbsky koristajut '''ш''' i '''ч'''. Pozrite tu (poslědnji stolp jest moje prědloženje za medžuslovjansky): {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! jap. !! ang. !! čes. !! rus. !! ukr. !! srb. !! isv |- | サ || sa || sa || са || са || са || sa / са |- | シ || shi || ši || си || ші || ши || ši / ши |- | シャ || sha || ša || ся || шя || ша || ša / ша |- | タ || ta || ta || та || та || та || ta / та |- | チ || chi || či || ти || чі || чи/ћи || či / чи |- | ツ || tsu || cu || цу || цу || цу || cu / цу |- | チャ || cha || ča || тя || чя || ча/ћа || ča / ча |- | ニャ || nya || nja || ня || ня || ња || nja / ња |- | ワ || wa || wa || ва || ва || ва/уа || wa / ва |- | ザ || za || za || дза || дза || за || za / за |- | ジ || ji || dži || дзи || джі || ђи || dži / джи |- | ジャ || ja || dža || дзя || джя || ђа || dža / джа |- | ダ || da || da || да || да || да || da / да |- | ヂ || ji || (dži) || (дзи) || (джі) || ђи || dži / джи |- | ヅ || zu || (zu) || (дзу) || (дзу) || зу || zu / зу |- | ヂャ || ja || (dža) || (дзя) || (джя) || (ђа) || dža / джа |- ! colspan="7" | razširjena katakana |- | ス || su || su || су || су || су || su / су |- | スィ || si || (si) || сы || (сі) || (си) || si / си |- | テ || te || te || тэ || те || те || te / те |- | ティ || ti || (ti) || ти (ты) || ті || ти || ti / ти |} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) : Одлично табло! Але по мојему мнєнју ако измєнити za / за на dza / дза (и zu / зу на dzu / дзу) тогды је было бы фонетично идеално (не по Поливанову и не по Хепберну оногдашње). --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|talk]]) 18:02, 12 January 2026 (UTC) ::Da, jesm tako(d)že suglasny [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:05, 12 January 2026 (UTC) == Remaining issues == Dear all, since it probably won't be long now before our Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved, there are still a few issues to be resolved. {{Ping|Ilja isv|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} Your attention please! === Transliteration === First of all, there's the issue of transliteration, see above under [[Incubator:Krčma#Prědustavjeno pismo]]. The system used by the Serbian Wikipedia has the advantage that we can have the same article both in Latin and Cyrillic without having to resort to back-transliterations. In other words, we won't be forced to write "Džorž Buš" instead of "George Bush" in the Latin alphabet to avoid Cyrillic transliterations like "Георге Бусх". At present, transliteration is taken care of with JavaScript in [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Common.js MediaWiki:Common.js]. When we move to the system used by the Serbian Wikipedia (which IMO is the only sensible solution, see above), the same transliteration rules should be transferred to whatever system they use there, preferably with a few additions: '''bidirectional:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" | a || b || c || č || d || e || ě || f || g || h || i || j || k || l || lj{{FN|*)}} || m || n || nj{{FN|*)}} || o || p || r || s || š || t || u || v || y || z || ž || ä || ö || ü |- | а || б || ц || ч || д || е || є || ф || г || х || и || ј || к || л || љ || м || н || њ || о || п || р || с || ш || т || у || в || ы || з || ж || ӓ || ӧ || ӱ |} '''unidirectional Lat &rarr; Cyr:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | á || å || a || ć || ď || đ || ė || è || é || ę || í || ľ || ĺ || ł || ń || ň || ȯ || ò || ó || qu || ŕ || ř || ś || ť || ú ||ų || ů || w || x || ý || ź || ż |- ! to | а || а || а || ч || д || дж || е || е || е || e || и || л || л || л || н || н || о || о || о || kv || р || р || с || т || у || у || у || в || кс || ы || з || ж |} '''unidirectional Cyr &rarr; Lat:''' {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! from | ґ || ѓ || ђ || ѣ || ё || ѕ || і || ї || й || ќ || ћ || ў || џ || щ || ъ || ь || э || ю || я |- ! to | g || dž || dž || ě || jo || dz || i || ji || j || č || č || v || dž || šč || — || — || e || ju || ja |} {{FNBox|Note: {{FNZ|*)|I don't know if there is a way to distinguish between Љ (LJ) and Љ (Lj), but since fully capitalized text is rare, I guess Љ &rarr; Lj and Њ &rarr; Nj will do.}} }} === Alphabetical order === Another thing is the alphabetical ordering of articles in, for example, categories. The current situation is that Cyrillic letters absent in Russian – like Є, Њ and Ј – come before А. It is necessary that the right alphabetical order is followed, which preferably should also include letters not used in Interslavic but used in other Slavic languages, as they may appear in categories as well (the bold ones are Interslavic, the normal ones ain't): '''Latin:'''<br /> <big>'''a''' á ä ą å '''b c''' ć '''č d''' ď '''e''' é è ė ę '''ě f g h i''' í '''j k l''' ł ľ ĺ '''lj m n''' ń ň '''nj o''' ò ó ȯ '''p''' q '''r''' ŕ ř '''s''' ś '''š t''' ť '''u''' ú ů ų '''v''' w x '''y''' ý '''z''' ź '''ž''' ż</big> '''Cyrillic:'''<br /> <big>'''а б в г''' ґ '''д''' ђ ѓ '''е''' ё '''є''' ѣ '''ж з''' ѕ '''и''' і ї '''ј''' й '''к л љ м н њ о п р с т''' ћ ќ '''у''' ў '''ф х ц ч''' џ '''ш''' щ '''ы''' э ю я</big> === Dates === * The standard format for dates is: <code>dd.mm.yyyy</code> * In dates, month names should always be in the genitive case. Although these genitives are defined on translatewiki.net, that doesn't seem to work in the Recent changes, Watchlist etc. === Numbers === When a number is followed by a noun, the corresponding case differs: * 1: nominative singular (1 dom) * 2–4: nominative plural (2 domy) * 0 and 5–19: genitive plural (5 domov) * all higher numbers ending with 1: nominative singular (101 dom) * all higher numbers ending with 2–4: nominative plural (102 domy) * all higher numbers ending with 0 or 5–9: genitive plural (100 domov, 105 domov) === Namespaces === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! colspan="2" | Namespace || colspan="2" | Talk |- ! English || Interslavic || English || Interslavic |- | (main) || (glavny) || Talk || Besěda |- | User || Koristnik || User talk || Besěda koristnika |- | Wikipedia || Vikipedija || Wikipedia talk || Besěda vikipedije |- | File || Fajl || File talk || Besěda fajla |- | MediaWiki || MediaWiki || MediaWiki || Besěda MediaWiki |- | Template || Šablon || Template talk || Besěda šablona |- | Help || Pomoč || Help talk || Besěda pomoči |- | Category || Kategorija || Category talk || Besěda kategorije |- | Portal || Portal || Portal talk || Besěda portala |- | Module || Modul || Module talk || Besěda modula |- | Gadget || Gadžet || Gadget talk || Besěda gadžeta |} I hope I haven't forgotten anything! === The code ISV === * In interwiki links, the language should appear as: <code>Medžuslovjansky / меджусловјанскы</code> * The English name of the language is "Interslavic". * There still appear to be issues with the language code <code>isv</code>. In Babel boxes, for example, <code>isv-Latn</code> and <code>isv-Cyrl</code> work, but <code>isv</code> does not. * I guess using <code>isv</code> shoud have a fallback sequence to <code>isv-Latn</code>, as [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] suggested. === Transliteration once more === ''Theoretically'' it will be possible to add unidirectional solutions to additional writing systems, like Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. Personally, I am not in favour of such a solution though. That's pretty much all I can think of. Comments? Suggestions? Opinions? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Finally! That is some great news. :All the points touched here make sense to me. :I am also against additional transliteration to either Russian Cyrillic or Glagolitic. It would add more confusion IMO. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:07, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :jesm popravil tabelu Namespaces [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:09, 11 February 2026 (UTC) ::O, hvala za popravku, to je byla moja glupost! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:39, 11 February 2026 (UTC) :Hi Jan, :Many thanks for this communication. :My idea of selective automatic both-way transliteration is as follows.<br />Now we have a template to block transliteration for a piece of text :<pre>{{-|text not to be transliterated}}</pre> :all it does only adding HTML tag :<pre>&lt;span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"&gt;text not to be transliterated&lt;/span&gt;</pre> :that is analized by transliteration gadget that ignores the text between tag borders. This tag can be also used "manually" when use of template is not possible due to wikitext syntax (e.g. text of hyperlink etc.), so we have more or less two tools to control transliteration now. :I would propose to add one more template for selective transliteration, for example :<pre>{{LatCyr|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan Fransua|1}}</pre> :where:<br/> :''Jean-François'' - (obligatory parameter) text in original language in Latin script (name)<br/> :''Жан-Франсуа'' - (obligatory parameter) text in cyrillic (phonetical transliteration)<br/> :''Žan Fransua'' - (optional) phonetic latin<br/> :''1'' - (optional) when this is present, the name appears first time on the article and it could be displayed with phonetic latin in parentheses (could be useful when uncommon languages for the reader are used). :This template could work same way adding HTML class tags (these need to be created for original latin, cyrillic and phonetic latin). The translit script could be modified so it sees the tags and modifies text as per current isv graphic selection setting. {| class="wikitable" |+ |Examples |- ! Parameters !! lat/cyr !! Renders as |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа (Jean-François) |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua</nowiki> || cyr || Жан-Франсуа |- | <nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа|Žan-Fransua|1</nowiki> || lat || Jean-François (Žan-Fransua) |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |lat |Jean-François |- |<nowiki>Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа</nowiki> |cyr |Жан-Франсуа |- |<nowiki>Györ|Дьёр|Ďjor|1</nowiki> |lat |Györ (Ďjor) |} :Would this proposal be of interest? :It would still require somepone to program the gadget and admin rights to place it on the wiki section. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:21, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Yes, this certainly makes sense. The language converter can easily be embedded in the current <tt><nowiki>{{-|...}}</nowiki></tt> template. Normally the language converter would expect something like:<br /><tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl:Жан-Франсуа }-</nowiki></tt>.<br />The remaining two fields can easily be handled in the template itself, I think. But on the other hand, the same functionality can also be achieved simply by using the same template twice: <tt><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}} {{-|(izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|(fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki></tt> If that's the case, then parameters 3 and 4 wouldn't even be necessary. One thing I'm not entirely sure about myself, is what happens when you open a page ''before'' picking an orthography. At that moment the system doesn't know whether the page is in Latin or in Cyrillic orthography. I *think* this is done by adding a third parameter: <tt><nowiki>-{ isv-Latn: Jean-François; isv-Cyrl: Жан-Франсуа; isv: Jean-François }-</nowiki></tt> Anyway, the advantage of all this is that we won't immediately have to change all pages where it is used. In many cases the template is used for expressions that shouldn't be transliterated at all, like "{{-|Microsoft}}". Those cases won't be affected by the change at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:01, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Thank you, Jan, yes, this could be the way to go. Still need some time to understand better the way the gadget works but would like to start trying soonest. Cheers, [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:53, 12 February 2026 (UTC) === Script === {{-|''(added a header for clarity)''}} :So, today is a great day as I tried first time the vibe-codng with Google AI mode to modify transliteration script. :My proposal is to use 3 classes that will be added by template (or manually) to mark 3 options of text. :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Latn">Jean-François</span></pre> :<pre> <span class="alphabet-isv-Cyrl">Жан-Франсуа</span></pre> :<pre><span class="alphabet-isv">Žan-Fransua</span></pre> :Depending on user alphabet setting, only one of the three will be displayed.<br/> :Herewith the code that needs to be added to the script, in the very beginning, after description remark (starting line 9). :<syntaxhighlight lang="javascript" line="1" start="9"> /** This part is added by [[Koristnik:Ilja_isv]], vibe-coded with Google AI /** Sorry code is removed since it did not work in the end </syntaxhighlight> :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], may I ask you to add this code to Common.js so we could test? It takes admin rights to modify the javascript. I can send the complete modified script file if this is easier, I have a backup of original Common.js for the case of failure and the tags for testing entered in the sandbox. Thanking you in advance for help, hope it will work. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::Unfortunately, being a test admin I do not have the rights to edit Common.js (I actually tried a while back, to no avail). Perhaps [[Koristnik:Iohanen]] can be of help here? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Thank you Jan, will contact. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:19, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::Jan, one more idea: we can also test changes at old Miraheze space, the gadget script is identical. Do you have admin rights there or do you know the admin? I do not even have a login. The script file there is called Gadget-alphabet.js: :::https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Gadget-alphabet.js :::Just someone will also need to make a test page with tags to see how it works. :::Many thanks. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 11:50, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Yes, I can modify the alphabet gadget on Miraheze. What exactly do you want me to do? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:21, 24 February 2026 (UTC) :::::Hvala Jane, myslím, zajutra večer budu odpovědati, prěd tym uže ne budu iměti čas. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 18:54, 24 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::I had a reply from Iohanen, hvala za kontakt, it is: ::::::https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Iohanen?markasread=2792850&markasreadwiki=incubatorwiki#c-Iohanen-20260224173800-Ilja_isv-20260224114000 ::::::Will follow up in 1-2 days [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 05:35, 25 February 2026 (UTC) :::::No need to do anything, thanks to Iohanen, we have now a workable and tested script. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :::I have modified the '''- '''template, it can have 2 parameters now. If there is only one parameter, this text will be excluded from transliteration. If there is a second parameter present, first parameter is considered Latin, second is considered Cyrilic. When we install updated gadget script, either one or the other will be displayed, depending on language setting. Default is Latin (if Lat./Cyr is a choice or no choice made yet). {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <pre>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</pre>|| <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> || <pre>macOS Sierra</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</pre> || <pre>Jean-François</pre> || <pre>Жан-Франсуа</pre> |- | <pre>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</pre> || <pre>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</pre> || <pre>Джо Байден</pre> |} :::As we already have a perfectly working script (great thanks to [[Koristnik:Iohanen]]), I will ask administrators to install it and we have the problem solved. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:45, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:51, 26 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi All, ::::Good news: the script and new templates are implemented and work. I will publish a tutorial shortest possible. Congratulations to all participants 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:27, 28 February 2026 (UTC) ::::<s>Bad news: does not work in the mobile version, both Cyrillic and Latin are displayed, which was not like that during tests.</s> <s>Next point to address.</s> Done, all works now. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:29, 28 February 2026 (UTC) === Approval === {{-|''(moving this to a separate section to avoid cluttering)''}} Where did you get the information that Wp/isv is about to be approved? On the discussion page, the Language Committee members are ignoring it again, but as soon as someone posted about another project, it immediately received a response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-98653-7|&#126;2026-98653-7]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-98653-7|talk]]) 21:08, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :I've been discussing the issue of the script converter with a member of the Language Committee, that's way. I know they could have approved our project already a year ago, but there's not much point in mulling over that now. I suggest we simply keep working on this wiki, approval will come by itself. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:37, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :: What kind of stories are you telling us? How many times has this happened? People are wasting their precious time on this instead of something more useful. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10102-52|&#126;2026-10102-52]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10102-52|talk]]) 13:57, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::LOL, login under your real name. Why are you even here? :::If you're feeling that you are wasting your time here, you know where the door is, right? I strongly encourage you to go and do something more useful. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:03, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Can't say I disagree. Negativity won't get us anywhere, that's for sure. Ultimately, we'll get there, and all the work we are doing here will soon end up in a real Interslavic wikipedia anyway, so it's definitely not a waste of time. And, if I may say so, complaining is a much bigger waste of time than actually contributing. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:45, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::: Look. It's a dead project; it only has four active users. Part of that is your fault, after all, you kept telling everyone the project was about to be approved (but it never happened). And I'll disappoint you a little: activity usually declines after a domain is created. I'd advise everyone to be more accepting of criticism. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10115-37|&#126;2026-10115-37]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10115-37|talk]]) 17:58, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Listen, brave man. If you want anyone to take your “criticism” even remotely seriously, you need to log in so we can see what your stake is and what you’ve actually contributed. Until then, you’ll simply come across as a troll or a saboteur. ::::::When we need your advice, we’ll ask for it. For now, you can tone it down and keep your advice to yourself. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 19:52, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::: Wikimedia has a [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Policy:Universal%20Code%20of%20Conduct universal code of conduct]. I recommend you read it. I've been following this project for several years, sometimes making anonymous edits. And I have the right not to register as long as Wikimedia Foundation projects allow this option. Your requests are rejected. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10259-25|&#126;2026-10259-25]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10259-25|talk]]) 20:07, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::Too many recommendations for anonymous "editor", buddy. You're dismissed and free to go. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 21:36, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::All emotions aside, I don’t really understand your frustration about the situation or your negativity toward Jan. I’m pretty sure Jan was simply passing on to the community what he himself had been told. ::::::::I don’t think anyone involved in this project expects it to suddenly become hugely popular. For me, it’s about steady work and gradually onboarding new learners of Interslavic. ::::::::Personally, everything I write here — and everything I do in life — I do primarily for myself. I don’t expect large audiences or dramatic results. If you feel like you’ve wasted your time because you were expecting something bigger, maybe the issue isn’t the project itself but the expectations attached to it. ::::::::If exposure and visibility are what you’re looking for, there are platforms built exactly for that. Like TikTok for example. But this project has always been about consistent effort and long-term development, not instant recognition. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:31, 15 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::::And if you truly have such deep knowledge of the future and already know how everything is going to turn out, maybe you should try day trading. With that kind of foresight, you’d probably make millions — and then all the time you think you “wasted” on our small project would fade away like a bad dream. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:34, 15 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::That's right. Perhaps I've been premature with my assumptions, but they were not entirely without reason. First of all, we already met all the necessary requirements by October 2024 (five editors contributing regularly during a period of a few months + translated interface), and secondly, in January 2025 a member of the Language Committee confirmed that the project was ready for approval. Honestly, I have no idea why that still hasn't happened, and believe me, nobody feels more frustrated about this sluggishness than me. At first, I thought it was because of the label "constructed language", but given the fact that a wikipedia in Toki Pona was approved – even though it it's not even an auxiliary language and even though it wasn't even in the Incubator – that's can't really be the reason. And yes, of course I am disappointed that some active contributors haven't shown up for a long time. Neither do I understand why [[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] requested Interslavic Wikipedia on Meta and started this wiki on the Incubator, since he never contributed anything of substance afterwards. Still, no matter what, the best we can do is simply carry on. Showing that we *can* do it is precisely what the Incubator is meant for. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:01, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::And anonymous, you call this a dead project, but at the same time you noted yourself that other projects with less users and less content are being approved, so apparently it's not *that* dead after all. You say that we should be more accepting of criticism, but the point of criticism is to improve something, not to frustrate it. If you have ideas about how to improve this project, we are all ears, and if you care about this project, you are more than welcome to contribute. But if you don't, then I don't quite understand why you bother making these comments at all. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:03, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: I don't remember saying this, but I would have said the same thing. You need to clearly define your goal and determine whether it's achievable. If not, then move on to other goals. Here, it's like knocking on a closed gate. Sometimes they say something or wink, but the gate remains closed. I have ideas, but first you need to stop knocking on closed gates. It's really sad. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10286-28|&#126;2026-10286-28]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10286-28|talk]]) 11:38, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::I don't think it's like knocking on a closed gate. Look what happened with our ISO code. Our first two requests were rejected for stupid reasons and the third request took almost five years to be validated: first because they simply forgot about it, and then because it was stalled because they were reformulating their policies. It seems like they didn't quite know what do to with Interslavic, for example, whether they should qualify it as natural or a constructed language. So yes, I am kind of having a ''déjà-vu'' here. And again, I don't why it is taking them so long. The language itself shouldn't be the problem anymore, since its eligibility was established already in October 2024. My best guess is simply that the majority of the LangCom members are barely active, and that the remaining members are hesitant because of the extra work that needs to be done with regard to script conversion and the like. But ultimately ''upornost se izplati''. And anyway, it's not like we have an alternative here. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:37, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::: There are alternatives. In fact, with the development of AI, Wikipedia's role is gradually diminishing. Just look at the statistics: activity is declining in many editions (for example, in Russian, but the situation is no better in other Slavic editions). The situation is only good in languages ​​with a large number of native speakers (English, Spanish, French). This project will ultimately be edited by a relatively small group of enthusiasts. If the project is for enthusiasts, work can be done anywhere (on other wiki projects, etc.) whithout frustration. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 14:26, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::The relationship between Wikipedia and AI is a problem in itself, but there's not much point in speculation about the future. Besides, following your logic, we might as well close all Wikipedias except the English one. You are right about one thing: if the Interslavic Wikipedia were purely intended for enthusiasts of Interslavic, Miraheze or whatever other wikifarm might do. But that's not the point. This wiki should serve as an additional source of information for Slavic speakers. The reason we need a separate Wikipedia project is that people can find it, for example via interwiki links. As long as it is stored here or in some wikifarm, nobody will be able to find it. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:05, 16 February 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::::: This isn't quite the correct continuation of my logic: sections don't need to be closed, but activity will gradually decline. They will remain as encyclopedias, but will be preserved (AI will take information from there for itself). As for whether people will be able to find this project through interwiki, that's doubtful; interwiki is badly presented in the current Wikipedia skin. It's easy to search there if you know exactly which language you need. But it's possible that some people will still find this project through interwiki. As a source of information, people prefer to read in their native language. What you said could have been expected 10-20 years ago. If they can't find information in their language, they'll translate it from the language in which it exists (most likely, English). The quality of translation in online translators is much better now. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-10427-04|&#126;2026-10427-04]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-10427-04|talk]]) 09:09, 17 February 2026 (UTC) ::Good news. A thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia" has appeared on the Langcom Mailing List. I hope we get a positive response soon. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-17126-63|&#126;2026-17126-63]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-17126-63|talk]]) 20:12, 18 March 2026 (UTC) :::I'm really starting to get the impression that langcom is deliberately ignoring wp/isv. Jon Harald Søby created a thread "Proposed approval of Interslavic Wikipedia," but it received no response, either positive or negative. However, another thread appeared there and received an almost immediate response. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18779-70|&#126;2026-18779-70]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18779-70|talk]]) 11:19, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::: That's true. But in reality, there are plenty of such threads. Someone wants approval, no one responds, or no one responds positively, and approval is delayed. Don't count on approval soon; it will be several years away. I especially don't recommend relying on the nearly dead Langcom.--[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18633-18|&#126;2026-18633-18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18633-18|talk]]) 11:30, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Years? Is it really that bad? What's the point of writing anything here if there will never be approval? [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18861-96|&#126;2026-18861-96]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18861-96|talk]]) 13:56, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::: Honestly, I don't know why they're doing this. It's been clear many times that Langcom doesn't want to approve this project and will delay approval as long as possible. Sooner or later, this leads to burnout (maybe Langcom is counting on it). Note that Langcom hasn't offered any apologies or justifications, as if this is a normal situation. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-18833-94|&#126;2026-18833-94]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-18833-94|talk]]) 15:57, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Ura! Sračky 😂 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 21:35, 26 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Very good news! Other members of the language committee have responded, and it's safe to say that Interslavic Wikipedia is practically approved. All that's left is to leave a notification about the proposal being approved, and now all that's left is to create isv.wikipedia.org. Finally, it's isv's turn. Thank you for continuing to create articles and staying active. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-31741-38|&#126;2026-31741-38]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-31741-38|talk]]) 03:13, 29 May 2026 (UTC) == Wiktionary == ''(moving this to a separate item to avoid cluttering)'' When we receive approval, will it automatically give us the option to create a Wiktionary for Interslavic, or do we need to apply for that separately? I already have some ideas and plans for it. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 15:45, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Setting up a separate Wiktionary would require a separate application process on [[m:Requests for new languages|Meta]]. Approval will probably come easier if Interslavic already has its own Wikipedia, though. Theoretically, you could also start creating a Wiktionary in the Incubator, here: [https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wt/isv Wt/isv]. Yet I am wondering: what would be the point of a Wiktionary for Interslavic? We already have our multilingual dictionary at https://interslavic-dictionary.com/, and there's the same dictionary at http://steen.free.fr/interslavic/dynamic_dictionary.html. Keeping those two in line with each other is already quite a lot of work. Wouldn't it be better to keep all our eggs in one basket, instead of having even more dictionaries around? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::Well, in reality, I'm just experimenting. ::In theory, there is an automated or at least semi-automated way to add articles to Wiktionary straight from the dictionary database, so the labor part should not be that difficult. ::What I did is I've created a fork of the dictionary that is using the same database and did slight improvements to it's UI, so now you can compare multiple words at the same screen and you can also look up the Wiktionary article straight from the interface, just by pressing the hyperlink. Creating Interslavic Wiktionary obviously would allow me to add the links to Interslavic Wiktionary. ::Wiktionary by definition is something that anyone can edit, so: ::# People would add new words more easily (Yes, there is a problem with verifying if those words are good or not, but in general it would give more power to the community vs. now, when suggesting something to Interslavic dictionary seems more like a bureaucratic process rather than a community contribution). ::# People could modify articles about the words in Interslavic and add contexts, translations to their natural languages, usage examples, etc. (Think of https://context.reverso.net/) ::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:04, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::I've also revived the Slovnik Bot in Telegram and modified it a little bit, so it's also showing links to Wiktionary articles in corresponding languages. :::In theory, if people will add the use cases in Interslavic, this bot would be able to spit it out to users in Telegram. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :::The slovnik fork is available here :::https://interslavic.forum/slovnik/ :::I'm still working on it, but it's pretty much done for now. :::It allows you to compare up to 4 words on the same screen and look up the Wiktionary articles for corresponding language. :::This is just something I'm constantly using in writing texts. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:10, 12 February 2026 (UTC) ::In general, I'm just trying to integrate the existing infrastructure of Interslavic with what Wikipedia offers. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:07, 12 February 2026 (UTC) Well, I can certainly see the potential advantages of a Wiktionary. It could, for example, help in translating the dictionary into other languages. The thing is only that the official Interslavic dictionary is being worked on by a whole team of people. Errors are being corrected, new words are being added, and sometimes existing words are being replaced or simply kicked out. The problem with forked dictionaries is that sooner or later they will be obsolete. Besides, we can't have people adding stuff that hasn't been properly researched. That's why I am a bit hesitant here. But if you really want to try it, I cannot stop you, of course. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 21:50, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :This is a UI fork, mostly visual difference and additional features. It's connected to the same google document just as official dictionary. The only difference for now is that I've fixed individual declensions for some words (jejin, obědvě) (also I've committed the changes to official dictionary, it's just a matter for someone to approve the changes). :I'm not trying to create my own dictionary, but I'd like the work to go faster and I'd like to have a more participatory mechanism for the community. :Wiktionary would be a part of this mechanism. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:28, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Okay, we can of course give it a try. And like I said, I can surely see quite a few advantages of the idea. My only concern is, who is going to manage all this? Starting it in the Incubator is possible for sure, but if it's going to be a one-man show, it will probably stay there forever. Personally, I'd much rather we concentrate on Wikipedia now, which is already more than enough work. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:07, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::I'll try to see how far I can go with it. If I fail, I fail, no biggie. I promise I will keep writing here on Wiki :) [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:16, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::I also do see potential in empowering people. When we know that our voice matters and we can affect something, it is in itself a very inspiring thing. I may be too naive and idealistic tho. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:21, 14 February 2026 (UTC) :::[[Wt/isv/Main Page]] :::I've created the Main Page and in process of importing the words from the dictionary. :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], I was thinking translating some of your materials from English to Interslavic on word formation, voting machine, etc to create Help page, can I have your permission? :::@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] @[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] @[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] @[[Koristnik:Danvintius Bookix|Danvintius Bookix]] @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] @[[Koristnik:TutČas|TutČas]] @[[Koristnik:Medžuslovjanin|Medžuslovjanin]] @[[Koristnik:Ferpaks|Ferpaks]] @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] @[[Koristnik:Aula Orion|Aula Orion]] @[[Koristnik:Panslav|Panslav]] @[[Koristnik:Orbitminis|Orbitminis]] @[[Koristnik:Wojsław Brożyna|Wojsław Brożyna]] @[[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] @[[Koristnik:Plameniled|Plameniled]] @[[Koristnik:Miłosz Czaniecki|Miłosz Czaniecki]] @[[Koristnik:Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров]] @[[Koristnik:Qiorly|Qiorly]] @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] @[[Koristnik:SzymonV|SzymonV]] @[[Koristnik:Asank neo|Asank neo]] @[[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] @[[Koristnik:Machine of goodness|Machine of goodness]] @[[Koristnik:Snovid|Snovid]] :::If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear it. :::So far my plan is the followinɡː :::[[Wt/isv/Vikislovnik:Propozicija měseca#Dorabotati Vikislovnik]] [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:48, 12 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Hi GlěbDyndar, I can see the Wiktionary already on the incubator, and found a nice side-effect for Wikipedia incubator: when editing in Visual mode, selecting a noun in Nominative or a verb in infinitive, and pressing Ctrl-K (to insert hyperlink) it also shows possible links to the Wiktonary, so this option could be used for spell checking 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 13:40, 19 March 2026 (UTC) :::::That would be awesome! Having something to check spelling against is beneficial for the wiki. Yes, there is an official Interslavic Dictionary available, but it's not really built into Wikipedia, it would be really interesting to see it imported into the Wiktionary in its full extent and interconnected with the Wikipedia for spellcheck. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|contribs]]) 14:19, 13 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::: First of all, it's not that it takes up a lot of memory. Wiki projects use templates. A volunteer user who might want to edit Wiktionary doesn't need to know HTML and CSS. Learn to create templates first. The original wiki code, consisting almost entirely of HTML and CSS, is what we had in the past. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 16:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Да говно эти шаблоны, в эпоху ИИ от них толку мало, ебешься три года ради того, что ИИ напишет за секунду. А потом если нужно какую строчку добавить или убавить в карточке, снова нужно лезть в этот шаблон и выяснять что там к чему. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:03, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::все новое - это хорошо забытое старое) :::::::::Шаблоны были сделаны, чтоб облегчить жизнь тем, кто не может кодить. Сейчас кодить может каждый, соответственно шаблоны летят мимо. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:10, 14 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::: Whether it's good or bad, that's the way things are done in Wikimedia projects. So, don't blame anyone else. You can easily create your own beautiful wiki project without templates in the AI ​​era. --[[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-29111-53|&#126;2026-29111-53]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-29111-53|talk]]) 10:25, 15 May 2026 (UTC) :::::::::::Да не переживай ты так, учитель) Разберусь, что мне делать. [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 16:24, 15 May 2026 (UTC) == Sravniti vs. sravnjati vs. sravnivati == slovnik ima 'sravnjati' kak imperfect, ale iz mojego pogleda, bylo by razumněje pisati "sravnivati", ibo priblizno vse jezyky imajut dodatny slog v tutom slovu v imperfektu "sravnjati" za mene imaje smysl "uravnjati", "sdělati jednakovym", na angl. ''to level'' čto myslite? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:20, 12 February 2026 (UTC) :Nu znaješ, "sravnjati" prosto jest regularno stvorjena nesovršena forma sovršenogo glagola "sravniti". V dolgoj historiji medžuslovjanskogo jezyka vsegda jesmo usilovali, že jezyk jest kako možno regularny. Zato ''-ati > -yvati'', a ''-iti > -jati''. Očevidno, byli by takože druge možnosti, napr. ''-ati > -avati'' iili ''-iti > -ivati''. Ale my jesmo izbrali te formy, ktore sut najbolje razprostranjene po slovjanskyh jezykah. Poněkogda te druge formy na indivualnoj osnově daže mogut byti lěpše, ale ne hočemo vvesti v jezyk veče neregularnostij, neželi sut potrěbne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 13 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, Jane, ja dobro razuměm i pametam vaše pojasnjenje o logikě impf.-pf. glagolov v MS, ale čto ako li poněkogda stvorjajemo falšivyh prijateljev v ugodu regulardnosti? (rus. сравнять, čes. srovnat, pol. zrównać) ::Dodatno, regularnost v MS v tutom osobnom slučaju (iz moejgo pogleda) ide protiv naturalističnosti, ibo vse naturalne jezyky prědavajut semantiku "to be comparing" inym slovom. ::Russky срав'''ни'''вать, сопоставлять ::Bělorussky параўноўваць, зраў'''ноў'''ваць, супастаўляць ::Ukrajinsky порів'''ню'''вати, зіставляти, зрівнювати ::Poljsky porów'''ny'''wać ::Češsky srov'''ná'''vat, porov'''ná'''vat ::Slovačsky porov'''ná'''vať, zrov'''ná'''vať ::Hrvatsky srav'''nji'''vati, upoređivati ::Srbsky срав'''њи'''вати, упоређавати ::Makedonsky сравнува, споредува ::Bulgarsky срав'''ня'''вам ::"Sravnjati s zemjeju" — "Compare with Earth?" or "Level it to the ground"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:43, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Aha, razuměju. Da da, takom slučaju može lěpje bude ''sravnyvati'' (nesov.) i ''sravnati'' (sov.), a takože ''sravnanje'' zaměsto ''sravnjenje'' «comparison”, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:57, 13 February 2026 (UTC) :::Moje prědloženje": :::for the verb ''to compare: sravniti / sravnivati,'' ibo to odpovědaje logikě naturalnyh jezykov. :::for the verb ''to even, to level'' we already have ''poravniti'' (curiously, it's not ''por'''o'''vniti'', which would follow the logic you're explaining) :::[[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:13, 14 February 2026 (UTC) ::::''sravnjati'' možemo ostaviti, ale jedino v smyslu ''to even, to level'' [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 00:22, 14 February 2026 (UTC) == Websajt s katalogom i statistikoju == <nowiki>https://medzuslovjansky.onl/</nowiki> jesm stvoril maly websajt s vyše vizualnym kalalogom stranic i statistikoju može byti koristany kak onlajn biblioteka stvoril jego da by može byti takym obrazom uprostiti dostup obyčnyh ljudij do Viki i malost zainteresovati v napisanju člankov prošu, pišite vaši propozicije i myslji [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 17:32, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :myslju oddělno sdělati filtr za kategorij s prověrjenym pravopisom i dobry članok, da by možno bylo legko najdti teksty s dobrym MSom [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 18:11, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::Da, to bylo by interesno. Myslju, že kategorija s prověrjenym pravopisom ne jest mnogo upotrěbima, ale može [[Incubator:Spisok najdolžejših stranic|tutoj spisok najdolžejših ćlankov]] jest? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:03, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::Už sdělal oddělny filtr, koj polazyvaje jedino članky so zvězdoju i s prověrjenym pravopisom. Myslju, to ne byla zla ideja i ja budu probovati dodavati toj šablon, kogda čitaju članky. :::Vo vkladke statistika možno odfiltrovati članky po dolžině, ale može byti sdělati oddělnu jarku vkladku "Najdolžejše članky"? [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 22:19, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::Da, myslju, že to jest dobry pomysl. Mimohodom, može mogli byhmo uže dodati do dobryh člankov. Srěd mojih člankov, myslju, že napriklad [[Abhazsky alfabet]], [[Džok (pes)]] i [[Ҕ]] kvalifikujut se, ibo sut mnogo obširnějše, než jihne ekvivalenty na drugyh jezykah. Imajete li prědloženja? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:58, 23 February 2026 (UTC) :::::A nas budut prověrjati na odpovědnost kriterijam dobryh člankov? Ibo imajemo množstvo člankov vyše 10kb, koje libo už sut dost dobre (ale može byti ne sut take dobre, kak jihne analogy v inyh jezykah, ili prinajmenje v něktoryh), ale sut kratše, než v inyh jezykah. :::::I takože imajemo množstvo člankov menše než 10kb, ale koje takože sut mnogo dobre. :::::Večinstvo (ili vse) članky o kiriličnyh bukvah sut dobre na moj pogled, ale ne imajut trěbujemogo razměra. :::::@[[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] napisal několiko dobryh člankov, ale on prosil prověriti pravopis za njim i ja byh dodal v jegove članky malost obrazov ili medija materialov, že by jih nemnogo oživiti (imajut prěmnogo teksta bez ničego vizualnogo) :::::@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] takože napisal dostatočno dobryh člankov [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 23:27, 23 February 2026 (UTC) ::::::Da da, jesm suglasny. Teoretično ne imajemo izrazne kriterije, toliko, že dobry članok trěbuje iměti někoju kritičnu masu. Granica 10K bajtov byla ustanovjena libovoljno, kogda na medžuviki iměli jesmo 20 člankov >10K, ale tutčas imajemo jih ok. 140. Dolgy ne avtomatično znači lěpši. Po mojemu mněnju, da by članok kvalifikoval se za uměščenje na glavnoj stranici: ::::::* jest bolje-menje kompletny o obgovarjaje vse aspekty (napr. članok o državě ne jest kompletny, ako nemaje ničego o ekonomikě, prirodě i t.d.). ::::::* imaje pravilny i prověrjeny pravopis ::::::* jest osnovany na prověrjenyh izvorah (znači, ne slěpo kopirovanyh iz drugyh viki) ::::::* ne jest toliko prěvod članka iz drugoj viki ::::::* kako možno, sodrživaje obrazky ::::::* kako možno, jest lěpši od ekvivalentah na drugyh slovjanskyh jezykah ::::::* prědmet ne jest prěmnogo niševy. ::::::Kromě togo, dobro by bylo, ako jest raznorodnost medžu člankami na glavnoj stranici. Tutčas imajemo ok. 20 dobryh člankov. Glupo bylo by, ako srěd njih byli 3 kirilične bukvy, ili 3 ukrajinski politiki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:51, 24 February 2026 (UTC) == Dodati linky na spoločnosti v Dicord i TG na glavnoj stranici v menju == Tutčas poglednul i uviděl, že bulgarska vikipedija ima linky do spoločnostij v discord i tg na glavnoj stranici v menju, v lěvoj jegovoj česti. Može byti, my takože budemo dodati? https://bg.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A3%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%8F:%D0%A2%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%B5%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BC [[Koristnik:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 12:29, 26 February 2026 (UTC) :Ne znaju, imaje li smysl popularizovati toj Diskord, on ne imaje ničto občo s Viki projektom, i Jan tam ne jest. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 08:16, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Nove možnosti translliteracije - sdělano == Blagodare dobrym ljudam, pomagavšim izměniti skript, pojavili se nove možnosti transliteracije.<br/>Šablon '''-''' dostavaje novu funkciju: <br/>Tuty šablon upravjaje transliteracijeju, izključaje ju za fragment teksta (kogda koristaje se s jednym parametrom), ili pokazyvaje razny tekst za latinicu i kirilicu (variant s dvoma parametrami).<br/> {| class="wikitable" |+ Kako koristati |- ! Sintaksis !! Rezultat {{-|Latn}} !! Rezultat {{-|Cyrl}} |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|macOS Sierra}}</nowiki></code>|| <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>macOS Sierra</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Jean-François|Жан-Франсуа}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Jean-François</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Жан-Франсуа</nowiki></code> |- | <code><nowiki>{{-|Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)|Джо Байден}}</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Joe Biden (Džo Bajden)</nowiki></code> || <code><nowiki>Джо Байден</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu {{-|Roundhay|Раундхеј}}» (1888) {{-|[[Louis Le Prince|{{-|Louis Le Prince'a}}]]|[[Louis Le Prince|Луи ле Пранса ({{-|Louis Le Prince)}}]]}} — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Scena v sadu Roundhay» (1888) Louis Le Prince'a — najrannějši izvestny film v historiji.</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>«Сцена в саду Раундхеј» (1888) Луи ле Пранса (Louis Le Prince) — најраннєјши известны филм в хисторији.</nowiki></code> |- |<code><nowiki>V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>V Providence’u</nowiki></code> |<code><nowiki>В Провиденсу</nowiki></code> |} <br /> <s>Čto ješče ne rabotaje: v mobilnoj versiji bude vsegda pokazyvati i latiničny i kiriličny varianty. Na rěšenju rabotajemo.</s> Vsečto uže rabotaje! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:15, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Odlično! Nu izvini, ale vse vrěme ne razuměju, začto jest toj drugy šablon. Takože možno jest pisati: <nowiki>{{-|Jean-François (izgovor: Žan-Fransua)|Žan-Fransua (fr. Jean-François)}}</nowiki>, i rezultat bude taky sam, ne li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Jego sdělal Iohanen za test, rěšil ostaviti 😊 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:43, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::vot test obohdvoh šablonov na živom članku https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/H._P._Lovecraft [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:48, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::Mene lično dopoka nemnogo ustrašaje ta razlika medžu latiniceju i kiriliceju, ko ktoroj prihodímo. Napriklad, jesm musel v jednom slučaju sklonjati kirilicu i ne sklonjati latinicu 😢 Tako prijdemo ko dvom jezykam. Možlivo, bysmo mogli prěporučovati koristanje tutoj možnosti toliko v izključiteljnyh slučajah? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:04, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::A v kakom slučaju trěba bylo sklonjati kirilicu? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:13, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::Tut byl variant ::::v Red Hook / v Ред-Хуку, ale já jesm dopoka našel izhod: ::::v apartamentu v četvrti {-|Red Hook|Ред Хук} [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:18, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::ješče v Providence / в Провиденсу [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:24, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:32, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::myslím, že rěšenjem jest vo Providensu / во Провиденсу, v Red-Huku / в Ред-Хуку. Ale, Lovecrafta/Лавкрафта, zato že ime [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:31, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::Ah, razuměju. Znaješ, medžuslovjansky ne imaje tvrde pravila odnosno sklanjanja neslovjanskyh imen i nazv. Ja byh sovětoval, da byhmo koristali apostrof: lat. {{-|Charles de Gaulle}}, kir. {{-|Шарљ де Гољ}} &rarr; rod. {{-|Charles’a de Gaulle’a}}, {{-|Шарља де Гоља}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:35, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::nu to jest podobno russkomu jezyku, kogda koristajut se kusky latinicy [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:37, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::Točno. A tamtyh slučajah: {{-|v Providence’u, v Red Hook’u}}. Koristajuči novy možnosti, možno daže: <code><nowiki>«V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u»</nowiki></code>: «V Providen{{-|ce’|с}}u». {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 14:40, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::nu to uże diko jest: во Провиденс-цу? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:42, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :::::::::Vo Providence'u/ во Провиденсу izgledaje kompromisno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::::interesno, trěba izučiti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:52, 1 March 2026 (UTC) ::::::Gaulle на выдумки хитра (russko prislovje) ☺️ [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 14:39, 1 March 2026 (UTC) :Vsim pozdrav, ide obnovjenje skripta, transliteracija ne bude někaky čas rabotati. Prosim izviniti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 17:47, 5 March 2026 (UTC) :Tak, vsečto jest izrěšeno, uže rabotaje i na mobilu. Mnogo děkuju adminam Vikipedije, ktore mnogo pomogli. Ura 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 19:42, 5 March 2026 (UTC) ::Vidžu! Fantastično! Hvala vsim, ktori pomogli! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:20, 6 March 2026 (UTC) == Originalne <s>imena ljudij</s> i iztvorov umětnostij kako nazvy člankov == <s>Ja jesm natolkl se na toj problem, že ne věm, kako dějati lěpše... Jest članok o Johnu R. R, Tolkienu, zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano anglijskym jezykom. Trěba li takym že sposobom stvorjati i nove članky? A kako pisati vnutri članka?</s> <s>Ješče jesm ugleděl, že v poljskom jezyku imena sklanjajut se po pravilam jezyka, ale pišut se kako v originalu. Či možno li togda vnutri članka pisati, napriklad, ''... u Johna Ronalda Reuela Tolkiena...''? Ne bude li togda to mrzko izgledati v kirilici ''... у Jохна Роналда Реуела Толкиена...''? Abo trěba vnutri članka flavorizovati?..</s> P.S. Pomilujte, ja jesm slěpec, jedino tutčas uviděl jesm v vrhu to, kak to možno sdělati. Ješče jedna věč: jest članok o «Vladaru prstenjev», zaglavje ktorogo jest napisano na anglijskom jezyku («The Lord of the Rings»). Trěba li jego prěimenovati na medžuslovjansky jezyk? Myslim, že trěba, bo na vsakoj Vikipedije nazvy knig prěkladajut se na glavny jezyk Vikipedije. Cělkovito ne razuměm, kako rěšati tuto pytanje, ačekoli mně se kaže, že jego už obgovarjali, ale ja ne vidim rezultatov, pomilujte. S považenjem, [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|talk]]) 07:38, 17 April 2026 (UTC) :Da, nazvanja knig jest trěba prěkladati, TLOTR in particular ☺️ Nužno jest tuty članok prěimenovati/prěměstiti, čto ne jest trudno [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|talk]]) 16:21, 3 May 2026 (UTC) ::Točno, lěpje jest prěvoditi zaglavja knig, filmov i t.d., ale takože imaje byti prěnapravjenje od originalnogo zaglavja. Jesm prěimenoval TLOTR v [[Vladar prstenjev]]. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:14, 3 May 2026 (UTC) == Approval! == Great news! Interslavic Wikipedia will soon be approved! Committee member Jon Harald Søby posted the approval notice on the Talk Language Committee page! Finally! Let everyone know if anyone doesn't know yet, and let Jan know too! Victory! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35104-48|&#126;2026-35104-48]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-35104-48|talk]]) 18:12, 15 June 2026 (UTC) :approved! 🎉 [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:14, 23 June 2026 (UTC) : Radostno! [[Koristnik:Таёжный лес|Таёжный лес]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Таёжный лес|besěda]]) 23:48, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Administratorstvo == Dragi! Dnes nakonec naša Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija byla stvorjena. Blagoželaju nam vsim i imaju naděju, že naš projekt bude postojanno rasti! Ja jesm byl administrator v Inkubatoru, a takože vo vsih prědhodnyh versijah medžuslovjanskoj viki (od 2007 g.). Na žalost, administratorstvo ne bylo prěneseno avtomatično iz Inkubatora, zato trěba mně tu oficialno kandidatovati se na administratora. Jest několiko věčij, ktore tutčas trěba bude sdělati bystro. Napriklad, vy isto pametajete, že skoro vse stranice iz Medžuviki byli kopirovane ručno – bez jihnyh historij, čto jest narušenje avtorskyh prav – i zato ja hoču je stopiti s novějšimi versijami. Kromě togo, vsegda jest potrěbny někto, ktory odstranjaje spam, vandalizm i tako dalje. Prošu, glasujte poniže! Sut slědujuče opcije: {{-|<nowiki>{{Za}}, {{Protiv}}, {{Nevtralno}} i {{Primětka}}</nowiki>}}. Ne zabudite dodati svoj podpis (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). S srdečnym pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:50, 24 junij 2026 (UTC) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:09, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}: Razuměje se, Jan nas dovedl tu kde jesmo, ov projekt bez jegovogo děla ne by ni egzistoval. On zakladaje se mnogo i obhodi se s pravdivymi ambicijami. Nadějem se budemo iměti uspěšny prvy god na živoj Vikipediji! :) – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 00:19, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 03:01, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} i potrěbujemo izbrati ješče 2-3 admini ili podadmini [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 06:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} Jan nas dovedl tam, kamo jesmo potrěbovali, i kako najaktivnějši člen občiny si zasluži byti administratorom. --[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:49, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}}, očevidno. Velika hvala vsim — to jest naš obči uspěh! [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:27, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 17:53, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} očevidno, Jan je tvorec medžuslovjanskogo. [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 01:05, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # Разумєје се {{Za}} [[Koristnik:FitikWasTaken|FitikWasTaken]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:FitikWasTaken|besěda]]) 13:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} prisjedinjaju se k vsemu vyše skazanomu. [[Koristnik:Noncinque|Noncinque]]([[Besěda s koristnikom:Noncinque|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (UTC+6) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Sauit|Sauit]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Sauit|besěda]]) 01:48, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestitajemo Janu, ktory jest dnes dostal neograničenu časom vladu Administratora tutoj Vikipedije [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:15, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Hvala, @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]! Nu, a kde jest tvoja kandidatura, eh? ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:17, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, Jane, možete li takože darovati administračne prava Vipzu i Marcoorio? Hvalim voprěd. Jestli ne, podam stewardship request za njih. Hvala polna 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 23:19, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mogu dati administratorstvo, samo bjurokrati i stuardi mogut to dělati, a takyh my tu ne imajemo. Ja myslju, že Vipz i Marcoorio sami povinni sut glasiti se na stranici [[:meta:Steward requests/Permissions]], ibo ne znaju, može to dělati inokto. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:58, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :::ne jest problemom, budemo organizovati 😉 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 02:57, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini === {{Ping|LiMr|Danvintius Bookix|GlěbDyndar|Мурад 97|Panslavist|Tutčas}}, {{Ping|Medžuslovjanin|Ferpaks|Marcoorio|Aula Orion|Panslav|Orbitminis|Wojsław Brożyna}}, {{Ping|Adiee5|Plameniled|Miłosz Czaniecki|Владимєр Брєзин, сын Александров|Qiorly|Polda18}}, {{Ping|SzymonV|Vipz|Asank neo|FitikWasTaken|Machine of goodness|Snovid}} i ostatni, kogo jesm ne vspomnil tut, prosim nehtěl by někdo se stati vtorym i tretjim adminom, da by Jan ne tegnul vsečto sam? Prosim takože vsih glasovati, hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:23, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) 09:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :Ja ne věm, ako byh iměl na to dostatok časa, i ja o tom budu razvažiti. Ja dekuju za prědloženje. [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]]) 09:57, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) ::Da, dobro bylo by iměto ješče jednogo ili dvoh adminov. @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]], može li ty se kandiduješ? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:32, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) :::Možno, budu, ale by se htělo lěpših kandidatov. ({{-|BTW}} izčezlo "odgovoriti", to jesm ja něčto slomil?) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:21, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ja jesm administrator na dvuh projektah, takože byrokrat i administrator interfejsa. Ja imam tehničske znanosti i imam takože velmi aktivnogo robota. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 19:21, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Pozdrav, LiMre, kde jesi byl tako dolgo? Prědloži svou kandidaturu takože na glasovanje, myslím, že trěba minimum 6 glasov [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:45, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja imel mnogo raboty i putoval jesm. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:16, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja mogu prijmati vaše prizvanje do administratorstva. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 10:35, 25 junij 2026 (UTC) @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i @[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: Super! Togda sdělajte oddělno zaglavje, da byhmo ne komplikovali žitje administratorom na Meta. ;) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:44, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hvala @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], tako izdělajemo, ale htělo by ješče i někogo, kdo znaje, kako rabotaje Vikipedija lěpje, než ja ili @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] i od kogo by bylo vyše koristi. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:03, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) Zdrav! Ako naša občina to želaje, mogu sebe nominovati za administratora i administratora interfejsa. Primarno se interesujem rabotati na tehničnoj infrastrukturě projekta: šablony, moduly, CSS, JS/gadžety, botovanje, i t.d. Administrativne prava dobro prihodet zaradi izčrkavanja i iziskyvanja, importovanja i prěměščanja specifičnyh stranic, iz-medžu ostalogo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:02, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]]: To bylo by odlično! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:05, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm uže administrator (interfejsa) na srbskohrvatskoj Vikipedije i bylo by mně milo prenesti něčto znalosti odonud ovamo. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 23:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) === Drugi admini - glasovanje === Kandidati na druge admini sut dva, @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], oni ne sut konkurenti, adminami mogut byti obadva, jestli budut poddržani, prosim za ili protiv njih takože glasovati tut (ne zabezpametajte glasovati i za Jana vgorě) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ==== Vipz ==== @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo opytnogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} – ne znam dobro člověka [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 10:59, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. Věrim jegovomu slovu o znanju interfejsa — tute znanja sut nam potrěbne. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:37, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}, očevidno! Izkušeny koristnik, črěz dolge lěta byl administrator Medžuviki. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:38, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:07, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== Marcoorio ==== @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] glasovanje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:24, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} - potrěbujemo motivovanogo admina [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:26, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:41, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}}. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:46, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} [[Koristnik:Vikislav|Vikislav]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vikislav|besěda]]) 15:40, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 15:47, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 21:08, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) # {{Nevtralno}} [[Koristnik:Adiee5|Adiee5]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Adiee5|besěda]]) 12:58, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) # ... ==== LiMr ==== @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] glasovanje --[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 20:13, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} LiMr jest avtor mnogyh člankov na MS Vikipediji i mnogo pomagal jest v inkubatoru, vključno tehničnyh děl. Znaju, že jest takože aktivni na češskoj Vikipediji i znaje, kako tuto tut rabotaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:42, 8 julij 2026 (CEST) #:Uvažajemi, LiMr jest statistično koristatelj č. 3 v MS Inkubatoru, po mně i Janu, suglasno čislu pravok. Prosim poddržati, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 22:50, 10 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 00:06, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} očevidno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 02:09, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 09:22, 11 julij 2026 (CEST) #{{Za}} — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:04, 12 julij 2026 (CEST) @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] i @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]]: od včera vy jeste administratori tutoj viki na 6 měsecev. Blagoželaju! :-)<br />A @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]]: ne zabudite sglasiti svoju kandidaturu na [[:meta:Steward_requests/Permissions#Administrator_access|Meta]], da by jedin iz stewardov mogl vam nadati knopky. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:35, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestistaju novym Adminam! Čas rabotati 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 12:11, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Blagodarim! – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 12:33, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja sglasil svoju kandidaturu na [[m:Steward_requests/Permissions#LiMr@isvwiki|Meta]]. [[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:LiMr|besěda]]) 14:39, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 14:41, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]] se stal administratorom. Čestitajemo 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:33, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Super. @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], s uspěhom! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:34, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Kolikost člankov na latinici i kirilici == Dragi prijatelji! Ja myslju, že oprědělenje "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju" ne odgovarja enciklopedičnosti. Prědlagaju stvoriti kategoriju, katalog po tipu Spisok člankov na latinici i na kirilici. Začto? Da by točno razuměti, koliko u nas materialov jest napisano na oboh grafikah. Poka čto u nas sut tendencije k umenšenju pisanja člankov na kirilici. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 23:10, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :A či jest li potrěbno tuto ukazanje? Imajemo translitiraciju, zatom, na moj pogled, ne jest potrěbno ukazyvati, koliko člankov sut na kirilici/latinici. Takym tvrdženjem možemo odstrašiti tyh, kto znaje kirilicu i ne znaje latinicu (ako taki sut) abo někako inako prinesti zlu myslj, ale, očevidno, ju ne imajemo. [[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Marcoorio|besěda]]) 11:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm obratil uvagu na fakt, že v članku "Medžuslovjanska Vikipedija" jest privedena taka informacija: "Okolo 2/3 vsih člankov byli napisane latiniceju, okolo 1/3 kiriliceju", ale ne ima spiska člankov po kirilici i latinici. Zato jesm pomyslil, že jest enciklopedično ukazovati točnu informaciju [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 11:52, 26 junij 2026 (CEST). Дља статистикы буде интересно. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 12:01, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Kako oprěděliti, latinica ili kirilica, bot/skript musi uděliti toliko tekst iz članka i sčitati latinične i kirilične bukvy? Napriměr, jestli vyše 70% teksta sut kirilične bukvy, on jest kiriličny? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 13:23, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :: А сут много чланков, кде оба писма? Вообче, по мојему мнєнју то пытанје технично. Просто, интересно, направду, кака у нас тутчас статистика. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:14, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Mnogo lingvističnyh člankov imajut kirilične tablicy, priměry teksta, kako Mansijsky jezyk i td. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:19, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Ili prosto, tekst s kiriličnymi nazvami razdělov jest kiriličnym 8-) Ako li sut razděly [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 15:22, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :Za statistiku bylo by interesno, ale ja ne myslju, že taka kategorizacija jest potrěbna. Kromě togo dodavanje i poddrživanje tyh kategorij bude mnogo raboty. Někoj čas tomu nazad jesm prosto občislil, koliko iměli jesmo člankov na kirilici i latinici na osnově zaglavij (ne včisleči mojih člankov o kiriličnyh bukvah, ktore byli napisane latiniceju). Togda to bylo okolo 1/3 kirilice i 2/3 latinice. Kako to izgledaje tutčas, ja ne znaju. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 15:56, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jesm napravil osnovnu prověrku: v tutom momentu, 1,072 odnosno {{round|70.993377}}% nadpisov je na latinici, a 438 odnosno {{round|29.006623}}% vsih nadpisov na kirilici. Imějuči na umu različne dolžiny člankov, {{Round|88.523968}}% vsego teksta napisano je na latinici. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 16:42, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Jestvuje že algoritm, ktory čisli kolikost člankov pravilno? A ako prosto načeti označovati članky kategorijami "Članok napisany kiriliceju" / "Članok napisany latiniceju", tako takože možno stvoriti po priměru togo algoritma algoritm, ktory v kategorijah bude čisliti članky. Ili sčitati ručno, s pomočju kategorij. [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 16:44, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Razděljenje Krčmy == Dragi kolegi, hčemo razdvojiti [[Vikipedija:Krčma]] na několiko tematičnyh odděljenij? Za početok: Pravila i směrnice; Tehnika (ili Tehnične kvestije/pytanja); Jezyk i pravopis (ili Jezyčne kvestije/pytanja); Noviny. Tak možemo razbrěmeniti centralnu stranicu Krčmy i ulegšati slědovanje diskusij kogda-libo egzistuje potrěba diskutovati mnogo prědmetov jednočasno. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 14:23, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) : Јесм согласны. Але, по мојему мнєнју новины не трєба оддєљати од централној Крчмы. Лєпје јих видєти разом на централној. --[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 14:41, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Či ne lěpje li arhivovati stare diskusije? Krčma jest velmi těžka tutčas, ale imaje byti "{{-|village pump}}", selskoju studnoju, kde obgovarjaje se vsečto [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Dalšo pytanje, imajemo v menu "Portal občiny", čto nikuda ne vede. Imaje tam býti link do Krčmy? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:32, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm arhivoval stare poslanja v Krčmě. Pozdněje hoču takože dodati starějše sodržanje Krčmy na Medžuviki do arhiva, ale tutčas to ješče ne jest možno. ::Čto se tyče razdvojenja krčmy, ja ne jesm uvěrjen, jest li to smyslno. Imajemo tu može 10–20 aktivnyh učestnikov i obyčne sut samo dva ili tri aktivne prědmety na měsec. Napriklad, v maju bylo samo 14 pravok, a v aprilju 4. Ako tu bude zaisto mnogo aktivnosti, togda možno bude pomysliti o razdvojenju, ale v medžučasu ja byh ostavil Krčmu taku, kaka ona jest. Očevidno budut avtomatične poslanja na anglijskom jezyku od fondacije Wikimedia, ktore po mojemu mněnju možno bude arhivovati do oddělnogo arhiva. ::A Portal občiny... jest li nam on potrěbny? Ja by na tom město sdělal link do Krčmy, ale k tomu bude potrěbny administrator. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:20, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Jesm mněval, tutčas jesmo oficialna Vikipedija, itak bude mnogo vyše raboty i, slědovateljno, diskusije. Kogda avtomatične, masivne poslanja budut početi, one nas budut zakopati. Brda inojezyčnyh poslanij umějut dokladati tako zvanomu '{{-|[[:en:banner blindness|banner blindness]]u}}'. Tutošnje poslanja togda budut menje primětne, čto može pobudžati deficit lokalnoj aktivnosti. Jedno rěšenje jest arhivacija, nu časom ne budemo htěti arhivovati recentne poslanja. Drugo rěšenje jest čekati, viděti i onogda rěšati. Jesm oprěděljeny za koju-nebud opciju. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 08:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Pozdrav, Jane, čto jestli prosto dati vněšni link na kavárnu Medžuviki prěd linkom na arhiv na početku stranice? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:30, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja ne mnju, že Portal občiny ima vesti na Krčmu, na češskoj Vikipediji to napriměr vede na [[:cs:Wikipedie:Portál Wikipedie|tutu stranicu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 19:24, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]]: Da da, ja znaju, ale češska Vikipedija jest veliky projekt. Menše viki često ne imajut taky portal, ili samo někaky kratky tekst ili prěnapravjenje na [[Vikipedija:Čto Vikipedija ne jest]]. Nyně my imajemo prěmalo stranic za taky portal, ale može poprobujemo stvoriti nečto, li? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:55, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm samo daval priměr. Portal občiny ne jest besěda občiny. Ale v budučnosti možemo něčto takovogo izrabotati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:49, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) == Vikidane == {{tracked|T429939|fixed}} Pozdrav. Kako toliko na Vikidane dodadut jezyčny kod <code>isv</code>, bude trěba tutu stranicu na Vikidane [[d:Q16503|dodati]]. Možno jest, že to za nas izdělajut administratori Vikidanyh, ibo ja jesm na besědě stranice kako ne prijavjeny koristnik napisal zajavjenje o dodanje (ja jesm byl v rabotě). Jednako bude poslě potrěba priložiti takože vsake članky. Česti se mogu prijeti tako ja, ale sam ja na to ne staču. Tyseč člankov jest mnogo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|prinosy]]) 20:51, 27 junij 2026 (CEST) :Nám oběčali sut, že to sdělaje robot (možlivo) [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:52, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Možlivo v budučnosti, kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, ale nyně ne jest možno kako by robot funkcionoval bez dodanogo koda. Itak, robot bude potrěbovati čestičnu pomoč od koristnikov, ibo ne vse bude podojdti izrabotati avtomatično. Ače, umětna inteligencija by možno mogla tako isto funkcionovati. Ale kto bude priučati umětnu inteligenciju? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:20, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Administracija Viki nam to oběčaje [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:22, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Da, to jest možlivo. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:28, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::Ja jesm chčel se zapytati. Kako jest tuta stranica povezana s drugymi stranicami na inych jezyčnyh verzijah? To ne jest izdělano skroz Vikidane, ibo tako Vikidane ne imajut naš jezyčny kod, daže to ne jest izdělano skroz interviki, ili ja jesm to ne ugledal? — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:35, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::Ja už jesm to našel. Tehničny šablon <code><nowiki>{{INTERWIKI}}</nowiki></code> iz {{š|Zaglavje krčmy}}. Kako bude naš jezyčny kod dodany na Vikidane, tuten tehničny šablon ne bude jest zapotrěbny. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 16:46, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Tak 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Hvala. Tako jest, ja jesm izrabil šablon {{š|Šablon}} (kratky link {{š|Š}}), kako isto tehničny šablon dlja ostavjanja inyh šablonov. Tuten šablon bude jest potrěba praviti dlja različenja imennyh prostorov i zablokovanja linka veduči na ne egzistujuče stranice. Tutčasna verzija jest velmi prosta. Tako jest, tuten šablon tutčasno ne uměje parametry. Tako isto, to bude potrěba dodati. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:21, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :V vslědnyh dnah bude naš jezyčny kod <code>isv</code> dodany do Vikidanyh, kako jest viděti [[phab:T430419|tu na Fabrikatoru]]. Hvala adminam Fabrikatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:00, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) :The change has been merged and will be deployed on Wednesday during MediaWiki Train [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 16:33, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:45, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Velika hvala. Thank you. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:08, 29 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Hi, it is Wednesday, where are we? Many thanks [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:55, 1 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nothing yet, but if there's one thing I have learned from the whole process that led to the creation of this wiki, it's patience. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:41, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 00:43, 2 julij 2026 (CEST) :Vikidane sut funkcionalne. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:03, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Parada 👍 Budemo probovati [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:45, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja jesm už dodal do Vikidanych link tu na Krčmu i link na [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:53, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::a čto se stalo s redaktorom izvonogo koda? piše Page MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css has no content. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Ja ne věm. Pravdopodobno ono se ne prěneslo iz Inkubatora. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 17:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Trěba udaliti tuty redok <nowiki><templatestyles src="MediaWiki:Edittools/styles.css" /></nowiki> iz stranice [[MediaWiki:Edittools]], togda vsjo by imalo zarabotati. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 18:00, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::V Inkubatoru ne bylo Edittools. Ja htěl jesm prěnesti Edittools s Medžuviki, ale mně najprvo trěba byti "administrator interfejsa", da byh mogl dodati ili izpraviti CSS. Imaju naděju, že zautra ili poslězautra budu mogti to sdělati. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:33, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::A začto v spisku jezykov jest napisane kako samo "Medžuslovjansky"? Trěba že by bylo napisano s kiriliceju kako "Medžuslovjansky / Меджусловjанскы". [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39765-34|&#126;2026-39765-34]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39765-34|besěda]]) 20:51, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]], @[[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]], @[[Koristnik:Marcoorio|Marcoorio]], @[[Koristnik:LiMr|LiMr]], htěl jesm izdělati instrukcuju za avtorov o koristanju vikidanyh i Sitelink, ale vidim někake problemy i zato imaju několiko pytanij za administrcijnu skupinu. :1. Ručno priključenje k Vikidanym rabotaje toliko za něktore "male" članky s malym čislom jezykov, napriklad "Otava Jo", kde jesm to priključil bez problemov, ale za vse "velike" vikidane, kako, napriklad, "Solnce" ili "Napoleon Bonapart" stranica vikidanyh jest blokovana na izměny i zato ne jest možno dodati isv-vikipediju v Sitelinks. Jest-li tuto dozvoljeno našim administratoram? Ne jest li cěly spis 1000 "obvěznyh" člankov tako hranjeny? Kako bude postupovanje za avtorov novyh člankov iz tutogo spisa? :2. [[Koristnik:Jon Harald Søby|Jon Harald Søby]] jest pisal: <blockquote>Wikidata support is not yet enabled, but that too will come within a couple of days; when it does, I will run [[User:JhsBot|my bot]] to migrate interwiki links from using the [[Template:INTERWIKI|INTERWIKI]] template to instead using Wikidata natively.</blockquote> To ješče ne bylo sdělano, že tak? Jest li trěba panu Adminu pripomniti? :Hvalim voprěd. [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:07, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::K nomeru 1: Něktore prědmety vo Vikidanyh sut tako zvano polzamknute, čto znači, že prověrjeni koristniki mogut praviti tuty prědmety. Kak ne jeste prověrjeny koristnik, vy ne možete praviti polzamknute prědmety. ::K nomeru 2: Ja ne imaju kakekoli informacije o aktivitetah tutogo koristnika, nu kak to ne jest ješče aktivno, ono to bude pravdopodobno aktivno uže rano. Kak vy hočete, možete mu napisati na jego koristničsku besědu, pravdopodobno na anglijskom, kak tuten koristnik pravdopodobno ne bude uměti medžuslovjansky jezyk, začto on piše na anglijskom. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:57, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Tuty koristnik jest Meta-admin vsego inkubatora vseh viki, docěla mogutna figura 😎 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:44, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Nu, on pravdopodobno imaje mnogo obvezkov, ktoryh on musi rabiti. Dajmo mu dostatok časa. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::@[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] imaje pravdu. Vikidane uže sut vključene za medžuslovjansky, ale někoje prědmety o popularnyh ili kontroversijnyh temah mogut byti zaščičene. Ja prěd hviljeju jesm sdělal link na [[Solnce]] i to šlo bez problemov. A čto se tyče gosp. Søby, on napisal, že vključi někaky avtomatičny skript za avtomatično prěneseneje danyh iz šablona INTERWIKI na Vikidane, ale on togo ješče ne sdělal. Ale ja imaju izkušenje, že on dolgo ne odgovarjaje na pytanja i kontakt s njim je trudny. Uviděl jesm, že od konca junija jegova aktivnost byla rědka. Takto teoretično my možemo vse dělati ručno (togda trěba najprvo prějdti na stranicu na někojem drugom jezyku, i odtuda prějdti do Vikidanyh), ale ja myslju, že to jest bezsmyslno raztračenje časa, ibo raněje ili pozdněje to imaje byti sdělano tym skriptom. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:54, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala Jane, Solnce je priključeno. Myslim, instrukcija avtoram bude: ::::# Na avtomatično priključenje staryh člankov budemo čekati, ono někogda bude, ne trěba priključati jih ručno ::::# Prodolžajemo koristati šablon INTERWIKI ::::# Nove članky jest možno prisjedinjati ručno. Ako li prědmet jest hranjeny, trěba prositi to sdělati naših adminov ::::[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 11:04, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Točno tako! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:23, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Zdravo! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an Interslavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:31, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Hi, sorry this is already done I believe. Thank you anyway 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:36, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::This about links. For example: Special:AllPages — Specialna:Vse stranice. And also translating for other non translated special pages (BlockedExternalDomains for example) [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 17:42, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Na tom uže někdo tuž rabotaje, ale možlivo Jan tebe odepíše [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 17:43, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Maybe the "Special" namespace still needs translation, and the individual links to the special pages. The view name of the pages are already translated, or should be at least. But links and the namespace itself are still in English. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Kako jest slovo "pěskovišče" kategorizovano? == Ja jesm pytam, či jest slovo "pěskovišče" roda mužskoho ili srědnogo? Ja jesm ne našel tuto slovo v [https://interslavic-dictionary.com/ medžuslovjanskom slovniku], ktory ja upotrěbjaju na odgovory i ine pravky. V češskom jezyku tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo, tak samo ja mnju, že tako samo tuto slovo jest roda srědnogo tako v medžuslovjanskom. Ale ja znaju, že to ne jest vsegda pravda. Napriměr, slovo "šablon" jest roda mužskogo v medžuslovjanskom jezyku, ale to samo jest roda ženskogo v češskom jezyku. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 18:51, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :Vse imenniky na '''-o''' (poslě tvroj suglasky) i '''-e''' (poslě mekkoj suglasky) sut srědnjego roda. Slova na '''-išče''' v občem označajut město. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 20:12, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Tako jest slovo "město" roda srědnjego, da? Togda pěskovišče musi byti roda srědnjego kako město, da? Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 20:38, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) :ono jest [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:56, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja jesm zabyl, odprašaju se. Tako hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 21:14, 28 junij 2026 (CEST) == Patrulovanje == Zdravo! Jest taka ideja stvoriti tut grupy patrulnogo i avtopatrulnogo dlja prověrky statij i vkladu. Ja ne byl učastnikom tejto obščnosti raněje, ale vse že predlagaju to. <s>Takože predlagaju obgovoriti možnost patrulovanja črez FlaggedRevs, ono je mnogo sovremenějše i bole udobno. V slučaju jesli obščnost vybere standardno patrulovanje, to my prosto stvorimo dvě grupy koristnikov. A jesli FlaggedRevs, to staro patrulovanje my vyključimo. Takože, jesli my vyberemo FlaggedRevs, to predlagaju obgovoriti urovni patrulovanja, no lično ja predlagaju 1 urovenj. To jest: patrulovano ili ne. </s>[[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 12:48, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :Komban-wa gozaimasu, Wadimu-san, htěl byh poblagodariti za izmeščenje požedanja na sub-adminske prava za koristateljev Vipz i Marcoorio, hvala lěpa 👍 [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 19:09, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ne treba děkovati, to ne je velika rabota. Ja sejčas vracam se do aktivnosti v ukrajinskoj Vikipediji, takže myslju že teper budu i tu rabotati malo. Najprvo zajmu se šablonami i potrěbnymi statjami, no i možlivo projekty někotoryh pravil sozdam. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 19:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Šablony, glavno nove Kartky, ja poddrživaju, myslim, dostatočno dobro. Mnoho uspěhov na UA-viki [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 20:41, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::Hvala! Tak co si myslite o patrolovanju? [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 20:45, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::Zdravo, Vadyme! Ako ja mogu zapytati, kako to rabotaje točno? Znači li to, že izměny v članku budut vidime toliko togda, kogda jedin iz patrolerov je odobril? Ili prosto, že vsaka pravka avtomatično bude iměti značku kako "možny vandalizm", "izpraždnjenje stranice" i t.d.? A kromě togo, jest li vvedenje FlaggedRevs možno? Ja čitaju [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Flagged_Revisions#Notice_of_moratorium tu], že jest moratorium v tom smyslu, že od 2014 g. ta možnost jest izključena za nove viki. Srdečno, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:35, 3 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::Ne, vsi statji budut vidimi navet jesli oni ne patrulovani, liš v njih bude povědomjenje o tom, že oni ne patrulovani. Ale jesli administrator ustanovi stabilizaciju, togda bude pokazovati se poslednja patrulovana versija. Otnosno ustanovjenja razširenja, ja nažal ne zamětil moratorij, my konečno možemo probovati, ibo vse že upomjanuto tam zadanje na Fabrikatori bylo rěšeno. Nu raz sut takie problemy, togda ostavljaju liš predloženje s grupoju patruljnyh i avtopatruljnyh. A otnosno FlaggedRevs ja probuju snjati to ograničenje i togda snova sdělaju predloženje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:04, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::já jesm protiv, dopoka iměli jesmo málo vandalizma, i ne hčemo odvračati novyh avtorov, kojih s registracijeju isv víki jest přišlo mnogo. Hvalim za propoziciju [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:30, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::Ty jesi dodal tehničny šablon [[Šablon:Prěvedena_stranica]] , musel jesm korigovati v njem jezyk. Možeš objasniti, na čto on jest? Jestli ne bude jasno, poprosím Jana oddaliti [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 08:54, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::On jest potrěbny dlja označanja prěvedenyh statij, ktore byly prěvedene ne črěz instrument prěvoda, ale ručno. To jest potrěbno dlja sahranjenja licencije, soglasno ktorej rabotajut vsi sajty Vikimedija. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 08:57, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::::my imajemo šablon <nowiki>{{Prěvod | jezyk | Nazva članka} </nowiki>, ktory avtor dodavaje na dno članka, ako jego prěkladaje ili koristaje čest prěklada od inogo jezyka [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:14, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) ::::::::::Izvinjajte, ja ne zamětil tutoj šablon, svoj jesm nominoval na udaljenje. [[User:VadymTS1|'''<span style="color:#a09786;"><ruby>ヴァディム</ruby></span>''']] ([[User talk:VadymTS1|<small>besěda</small>]]) 09:21, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) :::::::To jest interesno. Na poljskoj Vikipediji jesm primětil, že taka nepatrolovana versija jest vidima prijavjenym koristnikam, ale anonimni (neprijavjeni) koristniki cěly čas videt poslědnju patrolovanu versiju članka. Ale ja myslju, že suglašu s Iljeju, že v malom projektu kako medžuslovjansky tako rěšenje ne jest absolutno potrěbno. V velikom projektu, vsakodenno s tysečami pravok, ono imaje smysl, ale ne očekyvaju mnogo vandalizma ili spama v tutom projektu. Večšim problemom budut pravky od koristnikov, ktori slabo znajut medžuslovjansky. Poněkogda napravjenje takogo članka zajmaje veče časa neželi pisanje do ponovno. Ale to ne jest kvestija patrolovanja... {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 10:09, 4 julij 2026 (CEST) == Prěključ "Lat./Кир." == Komunikovali jesmo nedavno s Jaroslavom, ktory poddrživaje medžuslovjansky slovnik, i on iměl opinije, že náš interfejs ne jest veliko družny k kiriličnym slovjanam, ktore mogut bystro ne najdti, že jest možlivost prěključati pismo na kirilicu, čto, možlivo, odstrašaje ljudij, ktore ničto ili malo znajut o medžuslovjanskom jezyku i mogli by byti zainteresovani vyše. My imajemo gadžet transliteracije, podpisany latiniceju kako "medžuslovjansky", Jaroslav proponuje vratiti nadpis "Lat./Кир." (kako to bylo na Medžuviki i rannjem Inkubatoru) ili "Latinica/Кирилица" kako nazvanje gadžeta, imělo li by to smysl? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 09:13, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja točno ne razuměju. Tu jest tako samo kako na Medžuviki, ne li? Jest nadpis "Lat./Кир." v tomže samom městu. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:41, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::ja imaju nadpis v menju "medžuslovjansky", i kogda jej odvarjam, tam uže sut varianty Lat./Кир, Latinica i Кирилица [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:55, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Jest raznica medžu temami. V Vector legacy (2010) nazva aktualno vključenogo varianta pokazyvaje se od razu v samom menju; v defaultovom Vector (2022) jest "medžuslovjansky". No na Vikipedijah koristajučih iz LanguageConvertera (napr. [[:sr:]]) vključeny variant tož pokazyvaje se v menju nezaležno od temy. Ne znaju či kogda-nebud rabotalo v inkubatore, ale linija [[Special:PermaLink/25957#L-210|210]] ne imaje efekta. Ne jestvuje element <code>p-variants-label</code> v Vector (2022). <span style="text-transform:lowercase;font-synthesis:none;display:inline-block">--[[User:MwGamera|Mw<span style="font-variant:petite-caps">G</span>amera]]</span> ([[User talk:MwGamera|besěda]]) 02:59, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) :Imaju ideju, že by kogda na Vikipediju prihodili ljudije iz kiriličnyh držav (Rosija, Ukrajina, Bělorusija, Bulgarija itd) to pismo avtomatično prěključalo se na kirilicu, a iz latiničnyh (Poljska, Čehija, Slovakija, Hrvatija itd) na latinicu. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-39602-39|&#126;2026-39602-39]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:&#126;2026-39602-39|besěda]]) 09:26, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Ja često govoreči ne znaju, je li to možno. Opcija "Lat./Кир." je nevtralna, znači mogut byti članky na latinici i članky na kirilici. Avtomatično prěključenje značilo by, že trěba takože avtomatično vključiti latinicu za druge državy. Myslju, že lěpje bude dopisati něčto na glavnoj stranici. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:46, 13 julij 2026 (CEST) :::avtomatično uže imajemo latinicu, ale to ne jest zlo, glavno iměti něčto kirilično v interfejsu, da by "prilěpiti" kirilično oko [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 01:58, 14 julij 2026 (CEST) == Pěskovišče dlja modulov == Pozrav. Ja imaju tako pytanje, či jestvuje někako pěskovišče dlja modulov. Moja ideja byla taka, že ja byh iměl probnu viki goščenu na Miraheze, i ja jesm zapytal na [[miraheze:Talk:Content Policy#Can I create a test wiki for testing modules that I create for Wikipedia?|Meta viki Miraheze]], či bylo by možlivo privoliti iztvorjenje probnoj viki dlja razvivanja i testovanja modulov dlja češskyh Vikidrag (na anglijskom Wikivoyage) i medžuslovjanskoj Vikipedije. Nu, oni mi prěporučili, či ja byh mogol upotrěbiti někakogo pěskovišča dlja modulov na danyh viki. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 08:59, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Čestno govoreči ja mnogo malo znaju o modulah. Ale v principu možeš tu sdělati pěskovišče za moduly, ja ne vidžu v tom problem. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Nu dobro, ja budut razmysliti, kako byh to izrabotal, uvidimo. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 09:42, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) :Pozdrav, @[[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]], kako mene poučil viki-programist, ktory pomagal s translit-skriptom, do svojego ličnogo prostora možno sdělati vsečto, ne jedino LUA-module, ale i Javascript-gadget, to bude rabotati jedino za tebe. Myslim, to dělae se tako: https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul ili https://isv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koristnik:Ilja_isv/My_Gadget.js [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:01, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) ::Link pri testah ale musi byti polny, kako ''{{#invoke:Koristnik:Ilja_isv/Modul:Moj_modul|parametr1|...'' [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 10:11, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :::Nu, ja to možu obtestovati. Ja jesm už započel [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly|něčto stvarjati]], nu ja možu tutu sistemu nadrabiti. Hvala. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 10:30, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) == Divno provodženje šablona == Pozdrav. Ja jesm hočel izrabotati šablon dlja tabličky, nu ja ne věm, či ja jesm glupy ili MediaViki jest. Moj šablon se provodi kako jest viděno tu: [https://isv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Koristnik:Polda18/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De/%C5%A0ablony/P%C4%9Bskovi%C5%A1%C4%8De_1&oldid=28989] Ja jesm upotrěbil někaku akcentuaciju viki koda, kako samo ja byh mogl izjaviti někaku hybu. Nu, ja jesm nikaku ne viděl. Može někto, prosimo, izjasniti, čto se to děje? Kako by iměl tuten šablon izgledati, jest viděno [[Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Zaglavje|tu]]. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:28, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) :Ja ješče dodam: šablon se provodi inako v podgledu i inako kako zapisana stranica. Ono to ne jest jedino tu na medžuslovjanskoj Vikipediji, ja jesm testoval jednako provodženje tako na češskoj Vikipediji (ače bez zapisanja). Ono to izpadaje na hybu vo MediaViki softveru ili hybu vo viki kodu šablona. — [[Koristnik:Polda18|Polda18]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Polda18|besěda]] • [[Special:Contributions/Polda18|pravky]]) 13:53, 17 julij 2026 (CEST) civ1abqavhsiilkfl45zu0vga0xobbt 0 1141 28911 27539 2026-07-16T19:29:12Z IJzeren Jan 9 28911 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:グルメタウン 2015 (17086794178).jpg | thumb | right | 300px | Priklad katakany: <center> グルメタウン <br /> ''gu ru me ta u n'' <br /> «{{-|Gourmet town}}» </center>]] '''Katakana''' ({{Lang|ja|片仮名}} ili {{Lang|ja|カタカナ}}) je jedno iz četyreh glavnyh pism upotrěbjajemyh za zapisan‌je [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskogo jezyka]], zajedno s sistemami [[hiragana]], [[kandži]] ([[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajske]] hieroglify) i [[rōmadži]] (japonska [[latinica]]). Katakana i hiragana sut sistemy [[kana]]: sistemy, v ktoryh vsaky znak prědstavjaje jedin slog, ili raděje jednu [[Mora|moru]] (jedinicu časa odpovědajuču jednomu kratkomu slogu). Slovo ''katakana'' znači «čestična kana», zatože znaky katakany sut izvedene iz složenějšej sistemy ''kandži''. Katakana harakterizuje se kratkymi, prostymi črtami i ostrymi kutami, a je najprostějše iz japonskyh pism. Fonologične značen‌ja znakov katakany sut identične v hiraganě, ktora imaje mekše, bolje zaokrugljene formy. Sut dvě glavne sistemy oporedčen‌ja katakany: staromodny poredok ''iroha'' i čestěje upotrěbjajemy poredok ''godžu&#x0304;on'' («petdeset zvukov»). Jednakože pismo katakana ne sostoji iz 50, ale iz 48 znakov: * 5 samoglasok * 42 glavnyh slogov, sostoječih iz jednoj iz 9 suglasok i jednoj iz 5 samoglasok (tri možne kombinacije – ''ji'', ''je'', ''wu'' – ne koristajut se) * 1 suglasky (''n''), služečej kako konečny zvuk sloga (auslaut) Někoje kany istnujut v dvoh variantah: velikom i malom. Te male varianty nazyvajut se ''sutegana'' i ne prědstavjajut dodatočnu moru, ale, tako rěkuči, «sjedajut» moru prědhodnoj kany. Napriklad ヤ ''ja'', ユ ''ju'', ヨ ''jo'' imajut male varianty ャ, ュ, ョ, ktore služet za označen‌je palatalizacije. Napr. カヤ označaje ''kaja'' (dvě mory), ale カャ označaje ''kja'' (jedna mora). Druge sutegany koristajut se v [[Katakana#Razširjena katakana|razširjenoj katakaně]] i v někojih drugyh jezykah. Katakana takože imaje několiko funkcionalnyh i diakritičnyh znakov: * ''dakuten'': diakritičny znak v formě dvojnoj točky, ktory najčestěje označaje zvučnost, napr. カ ''ka'' → ガ ''ga'' * ''handakuten'': diakritičny znak v formě prstenja, ktory označaje vtornu alteraciju, napr. ハ ''ha'' → パ ''pa'' * ''čo&#x0304;onpu'' (ー): znak, ktory označaje prodolžen‌je prědhodnoj samoglasky (dvě mory zaměsto jednoj) * ''sokuon'' (ッ): znak, ktory označaje udvojen‌je slědujučej suglasky * znak ゝ označaje povtorjen‌je prědhodnoj kany Kromě japonskogo, katakana takože upotrěbjaje se za pisan‌je několiko [[Katakana#V drugyh jezykah|drugyh jezykov]]. == Upotrěba v japonskom jezyku == [[Fajl:Table katakana.svg | thumb | 400px | Tradicijny sposob načrtan‌ja znakov katakany]] Vsaka pisemna sistema izpolnjaje v japonskom oprěděljenu funkciju. Znaky katakany koristajut se v slědujučih slučajah: * za slova pozajete iz drugyh jezykov (s izključen‌jem kitajskogo), napr. アイスクリーム ''aisukuri&#x0304;mu'' «sladoled» (od {{Jezyky|en|ice cream}}) * za transkripciju čudžih imen, nazv i slov, napr. アメリカ ''Amerika'' * v onomatopejah, napr. směh (ハハ ''haha''), zvuk eksplozije (ブーム ''bu&#x0304;mu''), lajan‌je psa (ワンワン ''wan wan'') i t.d. * v tečničnoj i naučnoj terminologiji, napriklad v nazvah vidov životnyh i rastlin (ヒポポタマス ''hipopotamasu'' «nilsky konj»), poněkogda takože zaměsto malo znanoj ''kandži'' * često, ačekoli ne vsegda, v nazvah japonskyh korporacij, napr. トヨタ {{-|''Toyota''}}, スズキ {{-|''Suzuki''}} * v telegramah i (v 1980-yh lětah) komputerah * za podčrknen‌je slova ili fragmenta v tekstu, podobno k upotrěbjen‌ju kursiva v evropejskyh jezykah * za označen‌je, že harakter (napr. v [[Manga|mangě]]) govori čudžim ili strannym akcentom abo na čudžem jezyku * za imitovan‌je govora robota * v někojih ženskyh imenah, glavno u starših žen == Tabela == === Osnovna katakana === Slědujuča tabela po lěvoj straně pokazyvaje osnovne znaky katakany upotrěbjajeme v japonskom jezyku (''godžu&#x0304;on''), s medžuslovjanskoju transliteracijeju i izgovorom. Po pravoj straně (''jo&#x0304;on'') nahodet se kombinacije s malymi versijami bukv '''ャ''' ''ja'', '''ュ''' ''ju'' i '''ョ''' ''jo'', označajučimi palatalizaciju. {| class="wikitable" style="width:100%; text-align:center;" |- style="background:#D4D4D4" |style="width:2em"|&nbsp;<br />&nbsp; |style="width:12%"|'''a''' |style="width:12%"|'''i''' |style="width:12%"|'''u''' |style="width:12%"|'''e''' |style="width:12%"|'''o''' |style="width:0.1em"| |style="width:12%"|'''ja''' |style="width:12%"|'''ju''' |style="width:12%"|'''jo''' |- |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#A0E9A9" colspan="5"|'''Pojedinne znaky (''godžu&#x0304;on'')''' |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#E9D98E" colspan="3"|'''Dvuznaky (''jo&#x0304;on'')''' |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''∅''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ア}} </span> '''a''' <br /> {{MFA|a}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|イ}} </span> '''i''' <br /> {{MFA|i}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウ}} </span> '''u''' <br /> {{MFA|ɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|エ}} </span> '''e''' <br /> {{MFA|e}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|オ}} </span> '''o''' <br /> {{MFA|o}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''k-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|カ}} </span> '''ka''' <br /> {{MFA|ka}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キ}} </span> '''ki''' <br /> {{MFA|ki]}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ク}} </span> '''ku''' <br /> {{MFA|kɯ}}, {{MFA|kɯ̥}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ケ}} </span> '''ke''' <br /> {{MFA|ke}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|コ}} </span> '''ko''' <br /> {{MFA|ko}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キャ}}</span> '''kja''' <br /> {{MFA|kʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キュ}}</span> '''kju''' <br /> {{MFA|kʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キョ}}</span> '''kjo''' <br /> {{MFA|kʲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''s-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|サ}} </span> '''sa''' <br /> {{MFA|sa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|シ}} </span> '''ši''' <br /> {{MFA|ɕi}}, {{MFA|ɕi̥}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ス}} </span> '''su''' <br /> {{MFA|sɯ}}, {{MFA|sɯ̥}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|セ}} </span> '''se''' <br /> {{MFA|se}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ソ}} </span> '''so''' <br /> {{MFA|so}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|シャ}}</span> '''ša''' <br /> {{MFA|ɕa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|シュ}}</span> '''šu''' <br /> {{MFA|ɕɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ショ}}</span> '''šo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɕo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''t-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|タ}} </span> '''ta''' <br /> {{MFA|ta}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|チ}} </span> '''či''' <br /> {{MFA|ʨi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツ}} </span> '''cu''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦɯ}}, {{MFA|ʦɯ̥}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テ}} </span> '''te''' <br /> {{MFA|te}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ト}} </span> '''to''' <br /> {{MFA|to}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|チャ}}</span> '''ča''' <br /> {{MFA|ʨa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|チュ}}</span> '''ču''' <br /> {{MFA|ʨɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|チョ}}</span> '''čo''' <br /> {{MFA|ʨo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''n-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ナ}} </span> '''na''' <br /> {{MFA|na}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ニ}} </span> '''ni''' <br /> {{MFA|ni}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヌ}} </span> '''nu''' <br /> {{MFA|nɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ネ}} </span> '''ne''' <br /> {{MFA|ne}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ノ}} </span> '''no''' <br /> {{MFA|no}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ニャ}}</span> '''nja''' <br /> {{MFA|ɲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ニュ}}</span> '''nju''' <br /> {{MFA|ɲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ニョ}}</span> '''njo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''h-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ハ}} </span> '''ha''' <br /> {{MFA|ha}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヒ}} </span> '''hi''' <br /> {{MFA|çi}}, {{MFA|hi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フ}} </span> '''fu''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヘ}} </span> '''he''' <br /> {{MFA|he}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホ}} </span> '''ho''' <br /> {{MFA|ho}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ヒャ}}</span> '''hja''' <br /> {{MFA|ça}}, {{MFA|hʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ヒュ}}</span> '''hju''' <br /> {{MFA|ça}}, {{MFA|hʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ヒョ}}</span> '''hjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ço}}, {{MFA|hʲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''m-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|マ}} </span> '''ma''' <br /> {{MFA|ma}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ミ}} </span> '''mi''' <br /> {{MFA|mi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ム}} </span> '''mu''' <br /> {{MFA|mɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|メ}} </span> '''me''' <br /> {{MFA|me}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|モ}} </span> '''mo''' <br /> {{MFA|mo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ミャ}}</span> '''mja''' <br /> {{MFA|mʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ミュ}}</span> '''mju''' <br /> {{MFA|mʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ミョ}}</span> '''mjo''' <br /> {{MFA|mʲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''j-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヤ}} </span> '''ja''' <br /> {{MFA|ja}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%"> <!---{{Lang|ja|𛄠}}--->[[Fajl:Katakana obsolete yi.svg|28px]] </span>&nbsp;'''ji''' {{FN|1)}} <br /> {{MFA|ji}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ユ}} </span> '''ju''' <br /> {{MFA|jɯ}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%"> <!---{{Lang|ja|𛄡}}--->[[Fajl:Katakana obsolete ye.svg|28px]] </span>&nbsp;'''je''' {{FN|1)}} <br /> {{MFA|je}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヨ}} </span> '''jo''' <br /> {{MFA|jo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''r-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ラ}} </span> '''ra''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リ}} </span> '''ri''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ル}} </span> '''ru''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|レ}} </span> '''re''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾe}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ロ}} </span> '''ro''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|リャ}}</span> '''rja''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|リュ}}</span> '''rju''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|リョ}}</span> '''rjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''w-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ワ}} </span> '''wa''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰa}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヰ}} </span>&nbsp;'''wi''' {{FN|2)}} <br /> {{MFA|ɰi}}, {{MFA|i}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%"> <!---{{Lang|ja|𛄢}}--->[[Fajl:Katakana obsolete wu.svg|28px]] </span>&nbsp;'''wu''' {{FN|1)}} <br /> {{MFA|ɰɯ}}, {{MFA|ɯ}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヱ}} </span>&nbsp;'''we''' {{FN|2)}} <br /> {{MFA|ɰe}}, {{MFA|e}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヲ}} </span> '''wo'''&nbsp; <br />{{MFA|ɰo}}, {{MFA|o}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#F8F9FA"| |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''*''' |colspan="5"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ン}} </span> '''n''' <br /> {{MFA|ɴ}}, {{MFA|ɰ̃}}, {{MFA|n}}, {{MFA|m}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |colspan="3" style="background:#F8F9FA"| |- |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#A0E9A9" colspan="5"|'''Pojedinne znaky s diakritičnym znakom (godžu&#x0304;on s ''dakuten'' i ''handakuten'')''' |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#E9D98E" colspan="3"|'''Dvuznaky s diakritičnym znakom (jo&#x0304;on s ''dakuten'' i ''handakuten'')''' |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''g-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ガ}} </span> '''ga''' <br /> {{MFA|ga}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ギ}} </span> '''gi''' <br /> {{MFA|gi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グ}} </span> '''gu''' <br /> {{MFA|gɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ゲ}} </span> '''ge''' <br /> {{MFA|ge}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ゴ}} </span> '''go''' <br /> {{MFA|go}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ギャ}}</span> '''gya''' <br /> {{MFA|gʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ギュ}}</span> '''gyu''' <br /> {{MFA|gʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ギョ}}</span> '''gyo''' <br /> {{MFA|gʲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''dz-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ザ}} </span> '''dza''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)za}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ジ}} </span> '''dži''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズ}} </span> '''dzu''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)zɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ゼ}} </span> '''dze''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)ze}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ゾ}} </span> '''dzo''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)zo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ジャ}}</span> '''dža''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ジュ}}</span> '''džu''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ジョ}}</span> '''džo''' <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''d-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ダ}} </span> '''da''' <br /> {{MFA|da}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%;"> {{Lang|ja|ヂ}} </span> '''dži''' {{FN|3)}} <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑi}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%;"> {{Lang|ja|ヅ}} </span> '''dzu''' {{FN|3)}} <br /> {{MFA|(d)zɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デ}} </span> '''de''' <br /> {{MFA|de}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ド}} </span> '''do''' <br /> {{MFA|do}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%;">{{Lang|ja|ヂャ}}</span> '''dža''' {{FN|3)}} <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑa}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%;">{{Lang|ja|ヂュ}}</span> '''džu''' {{FN|3)}} <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑɯ}} |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%;">{{Lang|ja|ヂョ}}</span> '''džo''' {{FN|3)}} <br /> {{MFA|(d)ʑo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''b-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|バ}} </span> '''ba''' <br /> {{MFA|ba}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ビ}} </span> '''bi''' <br /> {{MFA|bi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ブ}} </span> '''bu''' <br /> {{MFA|bɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ベ}} </span> '''be''' <br /> {{MFA|be}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ボ}} </span> '''bo''' <br /> {{MFA|bo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ビャ}}</span> '''bja''' <br /> {{MFA|bʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ビュ}}</span> '''bju''' <br /> {{MFA|bʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ビョ}}</span> '''bjo''' <br /> {{MFA|bʲo}} |- style="background:#D0F9C0" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''p-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|パ}} </span> '''pa''' <br /> {{MFA|pa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ピ}} </span> '''pi''' <br /> {{MFA|pi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|プ}} </span> '''pu''' <br /> {{MFA|pɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ペ}} </span> '''pe''' <br /> {{MFA|pe}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ポ}} </span> '''po''' <br /> {{MFA|po}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ピャ}}</span> '''pja''' <br /> {{MFA|pʲa}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ピュ}}</span> '''pju''' <br /> {{MFA|pʲɯ}} |style="background:#F3F5AE"|<span style="font-size:180%">{{Lang|ja|ピョ}}</span> '''pjo''' <br /> {{MFA|pʲo}} |} {{FNBox|'''Primětky:''' {{FNZ|1)|Kany [[Fajl:Katakana obsolete yi.svg|14px]] ''ji'', [[Fajl:Katakana obsolete ye.svg|14px]] ''je'' i [[Fajl:Katakana obsolete wu.svg|14px]] ''wu'' (v Unikodu: 𛄠, 𛄡, 𛄢) byli stvorjene vo vtoroj polovině 19. stolětja s cěljem dovršen‌ja tabely, ale nikogda ne byli koristane v praktikě.}} {{FNZ|2)|V sučasnom japonskom znaky ヰ i ヱ sut ustarlěle. Zaměsto njih za označen‌je zvukov {{MFA|wi}} i {{MFA|we}} koristajut se ウィ ''ui'' i ウェ ''ue''.}} {{FNZ|3)|Kany ヂ ''dži'' i ヅ ''dzu'' koristajut se glavno za etimologično pravopisan‌je v situacijah, kogda bezzvučne ekivalenty チ ''či'' and ツ ''cu'' podvrgajut se zvučnoj prěměně (''rendaku'') i izgovoret se zvučno na srědině složenogo slova, napr. ツヅク ''cudzuku''. V drugyh slučajah zaměsto togo koristajut se identično izgovarjane kany ジ ''(d)ži'' and ズ ''(d)zu''. ヂ i ヅ nikogda ne mogut nahoditi se na početku slova i v katakaně sut rědke, ibo koncept ''rendaku'' ne izstupaje v transkripcijah čudžih slov, čto je jedin iz glavnyh cěljev katakany.}} }} === Razširjena katakana === S pomočju malyh versij peti samoglasnyh kana (ァ ''a'', ィ ''i'', ゥ ''u'', ェ ''e'', ォ ''o'') , povyših treh kana za označen‌je palatalizcije (ャ ''ja'', ュ ''ju'', ョ ''jo'') i jednoj kana za označen‌je labializacije (ヮ ''wa'') stvorjenyh bylo mnogo dvuznakov i triznakov za označen‌je zvukov odsutnyh v rodimyh japonskyh slovah. V občem one služet za pisan‌je slov pozajetyh od drugyh jezykov, inozemnyh imen i geografičnyh nazv, a takože za točnějšu transliteraciju čudžih zvukov: {{Legenda|#FFFF55|Dvuznaky, oficialno utvrdžene japonskym Ministerstvom obrazovan‌ja, kultury, sporta, nauky i tehnologije. One koristajut se v vesdennom žitju i sut bezpečne v upotrěbě.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.mext.go.jp/b_menu/hakusho/nc/k19910628002/k19910628002.html | title = 平成3年6月28日内閣告示第2号:外来語の表記 | publisher = Ministerstvom obrazovan‌ja, kultury, sporta, nauky i tehnologije | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20190106125953/http://www.mext.go.jp/b_menu/hakusho/nc/k19910628002/k19910628002.html | archive-date = 2019-01-06 | access-date = 2026-01-29 | language = ja}}</ref>}} {{Legenda|#FFF8A0|Potencialne kombinacije prědložene Amerikanskym nacionalnym institutom za standardy i Britanskoju institucijeju za standardy.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.ab.cyberhome.ne.jp/~kaizu/roomazi/doc/ansiz3911.html | title = 米国規格(ANSI Z39.11-1972)―要約 | access-date = 2026-01-29}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.ab.cyberhome.ne.jp/~kaizu/roomazi/doc/bs4812.html | title = 英国規格(BS 4812 : 1972)―要約 | access-date = 2026-01-29}}</ref>}} {{Legenda|#F5D080|Kombinacije koristane glavno v lingvističnyh dělah za točnějše prědstavjen‌je izgovora. One sut nestandardizovane i neznajeme prěsěčnomu japoncu, a transkripcija i izgovor zavisi od priměnjen‌ja.<ref>{{Cite web | first = Chirag | last = Bharadwa | title = Japanese Language and Culture. An Introduction to Katakana | url = http://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chiragb/media/japan/notes/katakana.pdf | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20190319224138/https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~chiragb/media/japan/notes/katakana.pdf | archive-date = 2019-03-19 | publisher = Cornell University | date = 2016-01-11 | format = PDF | language = en}}</ref>}} {{Legenda|#E9E9E9|Kombinacije ustarěle ili krajno rědko koristane.}} {| class="wikitable" style="width:100%; text-align:center;" |- style="background:#D4D4D4" |style="width:2em"|&nbsp;<br />&nbsp; |style="width:12%"|'''a''' |style="width:12%"|'''i''' |style="width:12%"|'''u''' |style="width:12%"|'''e''' |style="width:12%"|'''o''' |style="width:0.1em"| |style="width:12%"|'''ja''' |style="width:12%"|'''ju''' |style="width:12%"|'''jo''' |- |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F4B070" colspan="5"|'''Pojedinne znaky s diakritičnym znakom (godžu&#x0304;on s ''dakuten'' i ''handakuten'')''' |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F4B070" colspan="3"|'''Dvuznaky s diakritičnym znakom (jo&#x0304;on s ''dakuten'' i ''handakuten'')''' |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''v-''' |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヷ}}</span> '''va''' <br /> {{MFA|va}} |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヸ}}</span> '''vi''' <br /> {{MFA|vi}} |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> [[Fajl:Katakana obsolete wu.svg|28px]]{{Lang|ja|゛}}</span>'''vu''' <br /> {{MFA|vɯ}} |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヹ}}</span> '''ve''' <br /> {{MFA|ve}} |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヺ}}</span> '''vo''' <br /> {{MFA|vo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#E9E9E9" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ng-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|カ゚}} </span> '''nga''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キ゚}} </span> '''ngi''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ク゚}} </span> '''ngu''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ケ゚}} </span> '''nge''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋe}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|コ゚}} </span> '''ngo''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja| キ゚ャ}}</span> '''ngja''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋʲa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja| キ゚ュ}}</span> '''ngju''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋʲɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja| キ゚ョ}}</span> '''ngjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ŋʲo}} |- style="background:#F5D080" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''l-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ラ゚}} </span> '''la''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リ゚}} </span> '''li''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ル゚}} </span> '''lu''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|レ゚}} </span> '''le''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾe}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ロ゚}} </span> '''lo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リ゚ャ}}</span> '''lja''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リ゚ュ}}</span> '''lju''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リ゚ョ}}</span> '''ljo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA"| | | | |style="background:#E9E9E9"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リ゚ェ}}</span> '''lje''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F4B070" colspan="5"|'''Dvu- i triznaky''' |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F4B070" colspan="3"|'''Dvu- i triznaky''' |- style="background:#F8F9FA"| |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''i-''' |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|イァ}}</span> '''ja''' <br /> {{MFA|ja}} |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|イィ}}</span> '''ji''' <br /> {{MFA|ji}}, {{MFA|iː}} |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|イゥ}}</span> '''ju''' <br /> {{MFA|jɯ}} |style="background:#FFFF55"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|イェ}}</span> '''je''' <br /> {{MFA|je}}, {{MFA|i͜e}} |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|イォ}}</span> '''jo''' <br /> {{MFA|jo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#FFFF55" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''u-''' |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウァ}}</span> '''wa''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウィ}}</span> '''wi''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰi}} |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウゥ}}</span> '''wu''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰɯ}}, {{MFA|ɯː}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウェ}}</span> '''we''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰe}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウォ}}</span> '''wo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウャ}}</span> '''wja''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲa}} |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウュ}}</span> '''wju''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウョ}}</span> '''wjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" | | | |style="background:#E9E9E9" |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ウィェ}}</span> '''wje''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#FFFF55" |rowspan="3" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''v-''' |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴァ}}</span> '''va''' <br /> {{MFA|va}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴィ}}</span> '''vi''' <br /> {{MFA|vi}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴ}}</span> '''vu''' <br /> {{MFA|vɯ}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴェ}}</span> '''ve''' <br /> {{MFA|ve}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴォ}}</span> '''vo''' <br /> {{MFA|vo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴャ}}</span> '''vja''' <br /> {{MFA|vʲa}} |<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴュ}}</span> '''vju''' <br /> {{MFA|vʲɯ}} |style="background:#FFF8A0"|<span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴョ}}</span> '''vjo''' <br /> {{MFA|vʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" | | | |style="background:#FFF8A0"| <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴィェ}}</span> '''vje''' <br /> {{MFA|vʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴゥァ}}</span> '''vwa''' <br /> {{MFA|vʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴゥィ}}</span> '''vwi''' <br /> {{MFA|vʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴゥゥ}}</span> '''vwu''' <br /> {{MFA|vʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴゥェ}}</span> '''vwe''' <br /> {{MFA|vʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヴゥォ}}</span> '''vwo''' <br /> {{MFA|vʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ki-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キィ}}</span> '''kji''' <br /> {{MFA|kʲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|キェ}}</span> '''kje''' <br /> {{MFA|kʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ku-''' |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|クァ}}</span> '''kwa''' <br /> {{MFA|kʷa}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|クィ}}</span> '''kwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|kʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|クゥ}}</span> '''kwu''' <br /> {{MFA|kʷɯ}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|クェ}}</span> '''kwe''' <br /> {{MFA|kʷe}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|クォ}}</span> '''kwo''' <br /> {{MFA|kʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|クヮ}}</span> '''kwa''' <br /> {{MFA|kʷa}} | | | | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''gi-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ギィ}}</span> '''gji''' <br /> {{MFA|gʲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ギェ}}</span> '''gje''' <br /> {{MFA|gʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''gu-''' |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グァ}}</span> '''gwa''' <br /> {{MFA|gʷa}} |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グィ}}</span> '''gwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|gʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グゥ}}</span> '''gwu''' <br /> {{MFA|gʷɯ}} |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グェ}}</span> '''gwe''' <br /> {{MFA|gʷe}} |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グォ}}</span> '''gwo''' <br /> {{MFA|gʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|グヮ}}</span> '''gwa''' <br /> {{MFA|gʷa}} | | | | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ši-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|シィ}}</span> '''ši/ši&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ɕiː}} | |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|シェ}}</span> '''še''' <br /> {{MFA|ɕe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''su-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スァ}}</span> '''swa''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スィ}}</span> '''swi/si''' {{FN|**)}} <br /> {{MFA|si}}, {{MFA|sɰi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スゥ}}</span> '''swu''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スェ}}</span> '''swe''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スォ}}</span> '''swo''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スャ}}</span> '''sja''' <br /> {{MFA|sʲa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スュ}}</span> '''sju''' <br /> {{MFA|sʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スョ}}</span> '''sjo''' <br /> {{MFA|sʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スゥァ}}</span> '''swa''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スゥィ}}</span> '''swi''' {{FN|**)}} <br /> {{MFA|sʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スゥゥ}}</span> '''swu''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スゥェ}}</span> '''swe''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|スゥォ}}</span> '''swo''' <br /> {{MFA|sʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''se-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|セィ}}</span> '''si''' {{FN|**)}} <br /> {{MFA|si}} | | | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''(d)ži-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ジィ}}</span> '''ži/ži&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʑiː}} | |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ジェ}}</span> '''že''' <br /> {{MFA|ʑe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''(d)zu-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズァ}}</span> '''zwa''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズィ}}</span> '''zwi/zi''' {{FN|**)}} <br /> {{MFA|zi}}, {{MFA|zɰi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズゥ}}</span> '''zwu''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズェ}}</span> '''zwe''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズォ}}</span> '''zwo''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズャ}}</span> '''zja''' <br /> {{MFA|zʲa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズュ}}</span> '''zju''' <br /> {{MFA|zʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズョ}}</span> '''zjo''' <br /> {{MFA|zʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズゥァ}}</span> '''zwa''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズゥィ}}</span> '''zwi''' {{FN|**)}} <br /> {{MFA|zʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズゥゥ}}</span> '''zwu''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズゥェ}}</span> '''zwe''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ズゥォ}}</span> '''zwo''' <br /> {{MFA|zʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''(d)ze-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ゼィ}}</span> '''zi''' {{FN|**)}} <br /> {{MFA|zi}} | | | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''či-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|チィ}}</span> '''či/či&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʨiː}} | |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|チェ}}</span> '''če''' <br /> {{MFA|ʨe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="3" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''cu-''' |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツァ}}</span> '''ca''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦa}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツィ}}</span> '''ci''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツゥ}}</span> '''cu/cu&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦː}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツェ}}</span> '''ce''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦe}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツォ}}</span> '''co''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツャ}}</span> '''cja''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʲa}} |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツュ}}</span> '''cju''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツョ}}</span> '''cjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" | | | |style="background:#E9E9E9" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツィェ}}</span> '''cje''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツゥァ}}</span> '''cwa''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツゥィ}}</span> '''cwi''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツゥゥ}}</span> '''cwu''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツゥェ}}</span> '''cwe''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ツゥォ}}</span> '''cwo''' <br /> {{MFA|ʦʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''te-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テァ}}</span> '''tha''' <br /> {{MFA|tʰa}}, {{MFA|ta}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ティ}}</span> '''ti''' <br /> {{MFA|ti}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テゥ}}</span> '''thu/tu''' <br /> {{MFA|tʰɯ}}, {{MFA|tɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テェ}}</span> '''tje''' <br /> {{MFA|tʲe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テォ}}</span> '''tho''' <br /> {{MFA|tʰo}}, {{MFA|to}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テャ}}</span> '''tja''' <br /> {{MFA|tʲa}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テュ}}</span> '''tju''' <br /> {{MFA|tʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|テョ}}</span> '''tjo''' <br /> {{MFA|zʲɯ}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ティァ}}</span> '''thja/tha''' <br /> {{MFA|tʰa}}, {{MFA|ta}} | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ティゥ}}</span> '''thju/thu/tju/tu''' <br /> {{MFA|tʰɯ}}, {{MFA|tɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ティェ}}</span> '''tje''' <br /> {{MFA|tʲe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ティォ}}</span> '''thjo/tho''' <br /> {{MFA|tʰo}}, {{MFA|to}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''to-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トァ}}</span> '''twa''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トィ}}</span> '''twi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|tʷi}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トゥ}}</span> '''tu''' {{FN|***)}} <br /> {{MFA|tɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トェ}}</span> '''twe''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トォ}}</span> '''two''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トゥァ}}</span> '''twa''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トゥィ}}</span> '''twi''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トゥゥ}}</span> '''twu''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トゥェ }}</span> '''twe''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|トゥォ}}</span> '''two''' <br /> {{MFA|tʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''dži-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヂィ}}</span> '''(d)ži/(d)ži&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|dʑiː}}, {{MFA|ʑiː}} | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヂェ}}</span> '''(d)že''' <br /> {{MFA|dʑe}}, {{MFA|ʑe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="3" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''dzu-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅァ}}</span> '''dza/dza&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅィ}}</span> '''dzi/dzi&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅゥ}}</span> '''dzu&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅェ}}</span> '''dze/dze&#x0304;̄''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅォ}}</span> '''dzo/dzo&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅャ}}</span> '''dzja''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʲa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅュ}}</span> '''dzju''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅョ}}</span> '''dzjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" | | | |style="background:#E9E9E9" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅィェ}}</span> '''dzje/dzje&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅゥァ}}</span> '''dzwa''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅゥィ}}</span> '''dzwi''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅゥゥ}}</span> '''dzwu''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅゥェ}}</span> '''dzwe''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヅゥォ}}</span> '''dzwo''' <br /> {{MFA|ʣʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''de-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デァ}}</span> '''dha''' <br /> {{MFA|dʰa}}, {{MFA|da}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ディ}}</span> '''di''' <br /> {{MFA|di}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デゥ}}</span> '''dhu/du''' <br /> {{MFA|dʰɯ}}, {{MFA|dɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デェ}}</span> '''dje''' <br /> {{MFA|dʲe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デォ}}</span> '''dho''' <br /> {{MFA|dʰo}}, {{MFA|do}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デャ}}</span> '''dja''' <br /> {{MFA|dʲa}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デュ}}</span> '''dju''' <br /> {{MFA|dʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|デョ}}</span> '''djo''' <br /> {{MFA|dʲɯ}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ディァ}}</span> '''dhja/dha''' <br /> {{MFA|dʰa}}, {{MFA|da}} | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ディゥ}}</span> '''dhju/dhu/dju/du''' <br /> {{MFA|dʰɯ}}, {{MFA|dɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ディェ}}</span> '''dje''' <br /> {{MFA|dʲe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ディォ}}</span> '''dhjo/dhjo''' <br /> {{MFA|dʰo}}, {{MFA|do}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''do-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドァ}}</span> '''dwa''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドィ}}</span> '''dwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|dʷi}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドゥ}}</span> '''du''' {{FN|***)}} <br /> {{MFA|dɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドェ}}</span> '''dwe''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドォ}}</span> '''dwo''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドゥァ}}</span> '''dwa''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドゥィ}}</span> '''dwi''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドゥゥ}}</span> '''dwu''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドゥェ}}</span> '''dwe''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ドゥォ}}</span> '''dwo''' <br /> {{MFA|dʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ni-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ニィ}}</span> '''nji''' <br /> {{MFA|ɲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ニェ}}</span> '''nje''' <br /> {{MFA|ɲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''nu-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヌァ}}</span> '''nwa''' <br /> {{MFA|nʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヌィ}}</span> '''nwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|nʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヌゥ}}</span> '''nwu''' <br /> {{MFA|nʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヌェ}}</span> '''nwe''' <br /> {{MFA|nʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヌォ}}</span> '''nwo''' <br /> {{MFA|nʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''hi-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヒィ}}</span> '''hji''' <br /> {{MFA|hʲi}}, {{MFA|çi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヒェ}}</span> '''hje''' <br /> {{MFA|hʲe}}, {{MFA|çe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="3" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''fu-''' |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ファ}}</span> '''fa''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸa}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フィ}}</span> '''fi''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フゥ}}</span> '''fu/fu&#x0304;''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸɯː}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フェ}}</span> '''fe''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸe}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フォ}}</span> '''fo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フャ}}</span> '''fja''' <br /> {{MFA|fʲa}}, {{MFA|ɸʲa}} |style="background:#FFFF55" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フュ}}</span> '''fju''' <br /> {{MFA|fʲɯ}}, {{MFA|ɸʲɯ}} |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フョ}}</span> '''fjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʲo}}, {{MFA|fʲo}} |- style="background:#F8F9FA" | | | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フィェ}}</span> '''fje''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʲe}},[fʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フゥァ}}</span> '''fwa''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フゥィ}}</span> '''fwi''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フゥゥ}}</span> '''fwu''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フゥェ}}</span> '''fwe''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|フゥォ}}</span> '''fwo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɸʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |rowspan="2" style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ho-''' | | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホゥ}}</span> '''hu''' <br /> {{MFA|hɯ}} | | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホゥァ}}</span> '''hwa''' <br /> {{MFA|hʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホゥィ}}</span> '''hwi''' <br /> {{MFA|hʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホゥゥ}}</span> '''hwu''' <br /> {{MFA|hʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホゥェ}}</span> '''hwe''' <br /> {{MFA|hʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ホゥォ}}</span> '''hwo''' <br /> {{MFA|hʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''bi-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ビィ}}</span> '''bji''' <br /> {{MFA|bʲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ビェ}}</span> '''bje''' <br /> {{MFA|bʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''bu-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ブァ}}</span> '''bwa''' <br /> {{MFA|bʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ブィ}}</span> '''bwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|bʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ブゥ}}</span> '''bwu''' <br /> {{MFA|bʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ブェ}}</span> '''bwe''' <br /> {{MFA|bʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ブォ}}</span> '''bwo''' <br /> {{MFA|bʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''pi-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ピィ}}</span> '''pji''' <br /> {{MFA|pʲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ピェ}}</span> '''pje''' <br /> {{MFA|pʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''pu-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|プァ}}</span> '''pwa''' <br /> {{MFA|pʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|プィ}}</span> '''pwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|pʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|プゥ}}</span> '''pwu''' <br /> {{MFA|pʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|プェ}}</span> '''pwe''' <br /> {{MFA|pʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|プォ}}</span> '''pwo''' <br /> {{MFA|pʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''mi-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ミィ}}</span> '''mji''' <br /> {{MFA|mʲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ミェ}}</span> '''mje''' <br /> {{MFA|mʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''mu-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ムァ}}</span> '''mwa''' <br /> {{MFA|mʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ムィ}}</span> '''mwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|mʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ムゥ}}</span> '''mwu''' <br /> {{MFA|mʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ムェ}}</span> '''mwe''' <br /> {{MFA|mʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ムォ}}</span> '''mwo''' <br /> {{MFA|mʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ju-''' | | | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ユェ}}</span> '''je''' <br /> {{MFA|je}}, {{MFA|i͜e}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ri-''' | |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リィ}}</span> '''rji''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲi}} | |style="background:#FFF8A0" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|リェ}}</span> '''rje''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʲe}} | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''ru-''' |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ルァ}}</span> '''rwa''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʷa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ルィ}}</span> '''rwi''' {{FN|*)}} <br /> {{MFA|ɾʷi}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ルゥ}}</span> '''rwu''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʷɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ルェ}}</span> '''rwe''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʷe}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ルォ}}</span> '''rwo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɾʷo}} |style="background:#D4D4D4"| | | | |- style="background:#F8F9FA" |style="background:#D4D4D4"|'''wi-''' | | | | | |style="background:#D4D4D4"| |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヰャ}}</span> '''wja ''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲa}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヰュ}}</span> '''wju''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲɯ}} |style="background:#F5D080" | <span style="font-size:180%"> {{Lang|ja|ヰョ}}</span> '''wjo''' <br /> {{MFA|ɰʲo}} |} {{FNBox| {{FNZ|*)|Kombinacije クィ ''kwi'', グィ ''gwi'', トィ ''twi'', ドィ ''dwi'' i t.d. koristajut se m.dr. v transkripcijah [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjanskyh jezykov]] za označen‌je tvrdyh suglasok prěd '''i''' ili '''y''': ''ky'', ''gy'', ''ty'', ''gy'' i t.d.}} {{FNZ|**)|Kombinacije スィ ''si/swi'' i ズィ ''zi/zwi'' istnujut, ale sut malo koristajeme, ibo izgovor ne je oprěděljeny; スィ možno je izgovarjati kako v slovu ''<u>si</u>nus'', ale takože kako v slovu ''<u>swi</u>ng''. Jednakože bezpečnějše varianty セィ ''si'', ゼィ ''zi'', スゥィ ''swi'' i ズゥィ ''zwi'' koristajut se značno rědže i večinstvu japoncev sut neznajeme. V praktikě za označan‌je ''si'' i ''zi'' najčestěje piše se シ ''ši'' i ジ ''zi''.}} {{FNZ|***)|Kombinacije トゥ ''tu'' i ドゥ ''du'' istnujut, ale često zaměnjajut se na ツ ''cu'' i ヅ ''dzu'', da by izběgti zaměšan‌ja se ''twu'' i ''dwu''.}} }} === Ligatury i mnogosložne kany === Katakana takože sodrživaje šest ligatur i pet mnogosložnyh kana, ktore nyně sut ustarěle i rědko koristajeme: {| class="wikitable" style="width:100%; text-align:center; font-weight:bold;" |- style="background:#E9E9E9" |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana-toiu.svg|28px]] <br /> toyu&#x0304; |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana toki 1.svg|28px]] <br /> toki |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana-tote.svg|28px]] <br /> tote |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana tomo.svg|28px]] <br /> tomo |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana domo.svg|28px]] <br /> domo |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana-yori.svg|28px]] <br /> yori |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana ifu.svg|28px]] <br /> ju&#x0304; |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana digraph Koto.svg|28px]] <br /> koto |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana shite.svg|28px]] <br /> šite |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana toki 2.svg|28px]] <br /> toki |style="width:9%"| [[Fajl:Katakana nari.svg|28px]] <br /> nari |} == V drugyh jezykah == === Ajnusky === [[Fajl:国立アイヌ民族博物館 01.jpg | thumb | 300px | Napis v Narodnom muzeju Ajnu: vrhnji redok je napisany na ajnuskom jezyku]] [[Ajnusky jezyk|Ajnusky]] jezyk, nyně praktično izumrly, ale raněje govorjeny na ostrovu Hokkaido, v [[Sahalin]]u i na [[Kurilske ostrovy|Kurilskyh ostrovah]], byl nepisany do vtoroj poloviny 19. stolětja. Nyně ajnusky je jediny jezyk, ktory je cělkovito pisany katakanoju, ačekoli japonske imena i poněkoje slova pozajete od japonskogo takože mogut byti pisane ''kandži''. Ajnusky koristaje razširjenu katakanu, ktora kromě jedinnadseti malyh versij kana, koristajemyh v japonskom, takože sodrživaje sedmnadset dodatočnyh malyh kana za označen‌je suglasky na koncu slova, napr. イタㇰ ''itak'' «jezyk». === Okinavsky === [[Okinavsky jezyk]], govorjeny na ostrovu [[Okinava]], je srodny s japonskym, ale ne vzajemno razumlivy. Tradicijno okinavsky byl pisany kombinacijeju ''kandži'' i ''hiragany'', ale od 17. stolětja jegovu rolju postupno prějel japonsky, a v obdobju od 19. stolětja do 1945 g. okinavsky sovsěm prěstal istnovati kako knižny jezyk. Nyně katakana glavny služi za naučne transkripcije lokalnogo jezyka, a jednočasno poněkoji drugi iznova načeli pisati ''kandži'' i ''hiraganoju''. === Tajvansky === V lětah 1895–1945 ostrov [[Tajvan]] nahodil se pod vlastju Japonije. V tom obdobju katakana byla vvedena za pisan‌je [[Tajvansky jezyk|tajvanskogo jezyka]] (hokkien), a takože jezyka [[hakka]] i někojih [[Tajvanske jezyky|tajvanskyh]] (formozanskyh) jezykov. Ona iměla služiti kako fonetičny provodnik za pismo ''hanzi'' i byla koristana v slovnikah i učebnikah. Ačekoli cělj generalnogo gubernatora bylo pomagan‌je tajvancam v naukě japanskogo jezyka, a takože pomagan‌je japoncam v naukě tajvanskogo jezyka, sistema katakany byla nepraktična za jezyk, ktoroj fonologija byla mnogo bolje složena od japonskoj. Poslě konca japonskogo vladan‌ja na Tajvanu ona bystro stala ustarěla. Tajvanska katakana koristala razne diakritične i druge znaky za označen‌je zvukov odsutnyh v japonskom. Napriklad, horizontalna črta nad kanoju služila za različen‌je medžu {{MFA|t}} i {{MFA|ts}}, a točka pod kanoju za označen‌je pridyhan‌ja. Za označen‌je tonov koristali se specialne znaky. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Pisma]] {{INTERWIKI|Q82946}} qmt5iishxoxmd1bw2id39g8086imkhk 0 1228 28887 28845 2026-07-16T13:52:56Z IJzeren Jan 9 jezyky i t.d. 28887 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:LAIBACH_Press_Photo_2011.jpg|thumb|350px|Laibach v 2011 g.]] {{-|'''Laibach'''|'''Лајбах''' (лат. {{-|Laibach}})}} je muzična grupa iz [[Slovenija|Slovenije]], založena v 1980 g. v gradu [[Trbovlje]] v byvšej [[Jugoslavija|Jugoslaviji]]. Jejin stil obyčno kvalifikuje se kako "bojevo-industrialny". Od 1984 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} je muzična větva umětničskogo kolektiva {{Lang|de|Neue Slowenische Kunst (NSK)}}. Druge grupy, ktore naležet k tutomu kolektivu, sut medžu inymi grupa vizualnyh umětnostij {{-|''IRWIN''}} i teatralna grupa {{-|''NOORDUNG''}}. Nazva "{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}}" odnosi se k davnoj němečskoj nazvy glavnogo grada Slovenije, [[Ljubljana]]. == Prve lěta == [[Fajl:LAIBACH_Press_Photo_1983.jpg|thumb|240px|{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} v 1983 g.]] {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl založeny 1 junija 1980 g. v slovenečskom promyslnom gradu Trbovlje, kratko poslě smrti vodža Jugoslavije, maršala [[Josip Broz Tito|Josipa Broza Tito]]. Prvonačelni členi {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} byli Dejan Knez, Srečko Bajda, Andrej Lupinc, Tomaž Hostnik i Bine Žerko. V tečenju prvyh lět poslě svojego založenja {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} iměl seriozne problemy s jugoslavskymi vlastami. Doprva v 1982 g. udalo mu se organizovati koncerty v gradah [[Ljubljana]], [[Zagreb]] i [[Bělgrad]]. V dekembru 1982 g. Tomaž Hostnik, glavny pěvec i ideolog {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}, sovršil samoubijvstvo. Pozdněje v grupu pristupili Milan Fras, novy pěvec, i Knezen netij Ivan (Jani) Novak. [[Fajl:Black Cross.jpg|thumb|120px|left|''Črny križ'' Kazimira Maleviča]] Od početka {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl sporny zato, že identifikuje se s raznymi elementami [[nacionalsocializm]]a i [[Socialny realizm|socialnogo realizma]]. Koncerty grupy sut istinne spektakly, često na vysokyh estradah pripominajučih děla [[Leni Riefenstahl|{{-|Leni Riefenstahl|Лени Рифенштал}}]]. Členi noset uniformy, na ktoryh črny križ [[Kazimir Malevič|Kazimira Maleviča]] zaměnjaje [[Svastika|svastiku]]. Oni mnogokratno koristajut [[Němcija|němečsku]] simboliku i pěvajut na [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom]]. Vslěd togo, {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} poněkogda obvinjaje se za nacistične simpatije. Ale iz drugoj strany jihny stil, ktory nazyvajut ''totalitarny pop-art'', je natoliko groteskovy, provokatorsky i prěuveličeny, že nikto ne znaje, kake ideje oni prědstavjajut v istinnosti. Sam {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} poddrživaje tutu dvuznačnost: «My jesmo fašisti nakoliko [[Adolf Hitler|Hitler]] byl maljar.» Vo vsakom slučaju {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byla grupa disidentov, ktori protivili se komunističnomu ustroju. V 1983 g., podčas multimedialnogo koncerta v Zagrebu, jednočasno pokazyvali se na ekranu dva filmy: jedin propagandistsky i drugy pornografičny. Kogda maršal Tito pojavil se pored velikogo penisa, vojsko i policija prěrvali koncert, po čem grupa iměla izjehati iz Hrvatije. Poslě razgovoru na jugoslavskoj televiziji v tomže samom godu, nazva ''{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}}'' byla zabranjena, a členam grupy uže ne bylo pozvoljeno izstupati, čto prinudžalo grupě prodolžiti svoju dějateljnost v drugyh državah: {{Lang|en|The Occupied Europe Tour '83}}. Prvy gramofonny zvukozapis {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} pojavila se v 1985 g., ale bez nazvy grupy na obložkě. V tomže samom godu pojavil se i vtory zvukozapis pod nazvoju ''Nova Akropola''. V 1986 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} učestvoval v velikom teatralnom spektaklu ''Krst pod Triglavom''. == Poslě 1987 g. == [[Fajl:LAIBACH Opus dei.jpg|thumb|Svastika sostavjena iz četyreh sěkyr, dělo němečskogo antifašističnogo umětnika [[John Heartfield|{{-|John Heartfield|Джон Хартфилд}}]], na obložkě {{Lang|la|Opus Dei}}]] Medžunarodny prělom nastupil za {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} v godu 1987, poslě publikacije jihnogo tretjego albuma {{Lang|la|Opus Dei}}. Mnogo popularna byla prěd vsim jihna bojeva i krajno bombastična versija pop-pěsnje {{Lang|en|Life is Life}} avstrijskoj grupy ''Opus'', a takože němečska versija tojže samoj pěsnje, {{Lang|de|Leben heisst Leben}}, i versija pěsnje {{Lang|en|One Vision}} {{-|[[Queen]]}}’a pod nazvoju {{Lang|de|Geburt einer Nation}} ("Narodženje naroda"). Poslě uspěha tutogo projekta {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} izdal ješče několiko albumov sodrživajučih prětvorjene děla drugyh: {{Lang|en|Let it be}} (1988; na osnově poslědnjego albuma {{-|[[The Beatles]]}}), {{Lang|en|Sympathy for the Devil}} (1989; na osnově pěsnje {{-|[[The Rolling Stones]]}}), ''{{-|NATO}}'' (1994; sodrživaje medžu drugymi děla [[Gustav Holst|Gustava Holsta]], {{-|[[Europe]]}} i {{-|[[Status Quo]])}}, {{Lang|en|Jesus Christ Superstars}} (1996; sodrživaje medžu drugymi děla [[Andrew Lloyd Webber|{{-|Andrew’a Lloyda Webbera|Ендру’а Лојда Веббера}}]], {{Lang|de|Volk}} (2006; narodne himny raznyh držav), ''{{-|LAIBACHKUNSTDERFUGE}}'' (2008, cělkovito osnovany na dělu [[Johann Sebastian Bach|{{-|Johanna Sebastiana Bacha|Јоханна Себастиана Баха}}]]), ''{{-|VolksWagner}}'' (2009, osnovany na operah [[Richard Wagner|{{-|Richarda Wagnera|Рихарда Вагнера}}]] i {{Lang|en|The Sound of Music}} (2018, na osnově jednoimennogo mjuzikla). Někoje pěsnje iz togo poslědnjego albuma {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} izpolnil v 2015 g. v [[Sěverna Koreja|Sěvernoj Koreji]], pri okaziji 70-ogo godišnice osvobodženja korejskogo poluostrova izpod japonskoj okupacije, na koncertu popolno ustrojenom suglasno konvencijam komunističnoj propagandy. Jednočasno {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} takože izdaval gramafonne zvukozapisy i kompakt-disky s originalnymi tvorami, na priklad ''{{-|Kapital}}'' (1992), ''{{-|WAT}}'' (2003) i ''{{-|Spectre}}'' (2014). V 2012 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} sdělal muziku za film {{Lang|en|Iron Sky}} Timo Vuorensoli’a. Kromě togo, {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} stvoril i originalnu teatralnu muziku, napr. ''{{-|Macbeth}}'' (1990) i {{Lang|de|Also Sprach Zarathustra}} (2017), a takože muziku za simfoničnu orkestr (''{{-|Alamut}}'', 2022). Interesno je to, že vsako dělo {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} je sovsim ino od poprědnjih, ale tym ne menje jihny unikalny stil vsegda je směsta razpoznavajemo. Iz toj pričiny muzika {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}, ktora uže od davna ne je izključiteljno industrialna, je težko klasifikovati. V 2024 godu {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl nagradženy prezidentom Slovenije, [[Nataša Pirc Musar|Natašeju Pirc Musar]], medalju za zaslugy. == Sklad == [[Fajl:Laibach, Pula 2009.JPG|thumb|240px|Milan Fras i Mina Špiler v 2009 g.]] Sklad grupy {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} mnogokratno izměnil se od časa jejnogo založenja, a kromě togo, ona često surabotala s drugymi muzikantami. V godu 2024 grupa sostoji se slědujučih stalyh členov: * Milan Fras – vokalist * Ivan "Jani" Novak – světlo, projekcija, elektronika, poněkogda vokalist * Marina {{-|Mårtensson|Мортенссон}} – vokalistka, akustična gitara * Vitja Balžalorsky – gitara * Bojan Krhlanko – perkusija * Luka Jamnik – sintezator * Rok Lopatič – sintezator == Diskografija == [[Fajl:20160406 Bochum Laibach 0697.jpg|thumb|Milan Fras, 2016]] <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * ''Laibach'' (ŠKUC/Ropot, 1985) * ''Rekapitulacija 1980–1984'' (Walter Ulbricht Schallfolien, 1985) * ''Neu Konservatiw'' (Cold Spring Record, 1985) * ''Nova akropola'' (Cherry Red, 1985) * ''The Occupied Europe Tour'' (Side Effects Rec., 1986) * ''Opus Dei'' (Mute Records, 1987) * ''Slovenska Akropola'' (Ropot, 1987) * ''Krst pod Triglavom-Baptism'' (Walter Ulbricht Schallfolien, 1987) * ''Let It Be'' (Mute Records, 1988) * ''Sympathy for the Devil'' (Mute Records, 1988) * ''Macbeth'' (Mute Records, 1990) * ''Kapital'' (Mute Records, 1992) * ''Ljubljana-Zagreb-Beograd'' (The Grey Area/Mute Records, 1993) * ''NATO'' (Mute Records, 1994) * ''Occupied Europe Nato Tour 1994-95'' (Mute Records, 1996) * ''Jesus Christ Superstars'' (The Grey Area/Mute Records, 1996) * ''MB December 1984'' (Mute Records, 1997) * ''The John Peel Sessions'' (Strange Fruit Records, 2002) * ''WAT'' (Mute Records, 2003) * ''Anthems'' (Mute Records, 2004) * ''Volk'' (Mute Records, 2006) * ''Laibachkunstderfuge'' (Mute Records/Dallas, 2008) * ''Gesamtkunstwerk – Dokument 81-86'' (Vinyl-on-demand, 2011) * ''Monumental Retro-Avant-Garde (Live At Tate Modern / 14 April 2012)'' (Abbey Road Live Here Now, 2012) * ''An Introduction to… Laibach / Reproduction Prohibited'' (Mute, 2012) * ''Iron Sky (The Original Film Soundtrack)'' (Mute, 2012) * ''Spectre'' (Mute Artists Limited, 2014) * ''Also Sprach Zarathustra'' (Mute Records, 2017) * ''The Sound Of Music'' (Mute Records, 2018) * ''Party Songs'' (Mute Records, 2019) * ''Laibach Revisited'' (DZR, 2020) * ''WIR SIND DAS VOLK - Ein Musical aus Deutschland'' (Muter Artists Ltd., 2022) * ''Alamut'' (2022) * ''Love is still alive'' (2023) * ''Sketches of the Red Districts'' (GOD records, 2023) </div> == Galerija == <center> <gallery widths="250px" heights="300px"> File:LAIBACH The Thrower.jpg|<center>Plakat iz 1983 g.</center> File:LAIBACH Buy Victory.jpg|<center>Plakat iz 1986 g.</center> File:NSK Logo.jpg|<center>Emblema {{-|NSK}}-državy</center> </gallery> <gallery widths="300px" heights="250px"> File:Laibach - Encore (467365431).jpg|<center>Koncert v 2007 g.</center> File:Laibach, Gdańsk B90, 2022-11-02 043.jpg|<center>Koncert v 2022 g.</center> </gallery> </center> == Vněšnje linky == * [http://www.laibach.org/ Oficialny vebsajt {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}] * [https://www.youtube.com/@LaibachOrg Oficialny kanal {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} na {{-|YouTube}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20141013020908/http://laibachunofficial.co.nf/laibach.html Neoficialny vebsajt o {{-|Laibachu|Лајбаху}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20130419005007/http://www.gla.ac.uk/~dc4w/laibach/hpart1.html Historija {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}] * [http://www.nskstate.com/ {{-|NSK}}-država] [[Kategorija:Muzikalne grupy]] [[Kategorija:Slovenija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q325359}} dceush9z7y6jyewn0jp89psh0epz0n0 28889 28887 2026-07-16T13:56:00Z IJzeren Jan 9 28889 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:LAIBACH_Press_Photo_2011.jpg|thumb|350px|Laibach v 2011 g.]] {{-|'''Laibach'''|'''Лајбах''' (лат. {{-|'''Laibach'''}})}} je muzična grupa iz [[Slovenija|Slovenije]], založena v 1980 g. v gradu [[Trbovlje]] v byvšej [[Jugoslavija|Jugoslaviji]]. Jejin stil obyčno kvalifikuje se kako "bojevo-industrialny". Od 1984 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} je muzična větva umětničskogo kolektiva {{Lang|de|Neue Slowenische Kunst (NSK)}}. Druge grupy, ktore naležet k tutomu kolektivu, sut medžu inymi grupa vizualnyh umětnostij {{-|''IRWIN''}} i teatralna grupa {{-|''NOORDUNG''}}. Nazva "{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}}" odnosi se k davnoj němečskoj nazvy glavnogo grada Slovenije, [[Ljubljana]]. == Prve lěta == [[Fajl:LAIBACH_Press_Photo_1983.jpg|thumb|240px|{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} v 1983 g.]] {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl založeny 1 junija 1980 g. v slovenečskom promyslnom gradu Trbovlje, kratko poslě smrti vodža Jugoslavije, maršala [[Josip Broz Tito|Josipa Broza Tito]]. Prvonačelni členi {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} byli Dejan Knez, Srečko Bajda, Andrej Lupinc, Tomaž Hostnik i Bine Žerko. V tečenju prvyh lět poslě svojego založenja {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} iměl seriozne problemy s jugoslavskymi vlastami. Doprva v 1982 g. udalo mu se organizovati koncerty v gradah [[Ljubljana]], [[Zagreb]] i [[Bělgrad]]. V dekembru 1982 g. Tomaž Hostnik, glavny pěvec i ideolog {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}, sovršil samoubijvstvo. Pozdněje v grupu pristupili Milan Fras, novy pěvec, i Knezen netij Ivan (Jani) Novak. [[Fajl:Black Cross.jpg|thumb|120px|left|''Črny križ'' Kazimira Maleviča]] Od početka {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl sporny zato, že identifikuje se s raznymi elementami [[nacionalsocializm]]a i [[Socialny realizm|socialnogo realizma]]. Koncerty grupy sut istinne spektakly, često na vysokyh estradah pripominajučih děla [[Leni Riefenstahl|{{-|Leni Riefenstahl|Лени Рифенштал}}]]. Členi noset uniformy, na ktoryh črny križ [[Kazimir Malevič|Kazimira Maleviča]] zaměnjaje [[Svastika|svastiku]]. Oni mnogokratno koristajut [[Němcija|němečsku]] simboliku i pěvajut na [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom]]. Vslěd togo, {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} poněkogda obvinjaje se za nacistične simpatije. Ale iz drugoj strany jihny stil, ktory nazyvajut ''totalitarny pop-art'', je natoliko groteskovy, provokatorsky i prěuveličeny, že nikto ne znaje, kake ideje oni prědstavjajut v istinnosti. Sam {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} poddrživaje tutu dvuznačnost: «My jesmo fašisti nakoliko [[Adolf Hitler|Hitler]] byl maljar.» Vo vsakom slučaju {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byla grupa disidentov, ktori protivili se komunističnomu ustroju. V 1983 g., podčas multimedialnogo koncerta v Zagrebu, jednočasno pokazyvali se na ekranu dva filmy: jedin propagandistsky i drugy pornografičny. Kogda maršal Tito pojavil se pored velikogo penisa, vojsko i policija prěrvali koncert, po čem grupa iměla izjehati iz Hrvatije. Poslě razgovoru na jugoslavskoj televiziji v tomže samom godu, nazva ''{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}}'' byla zabranjena, a členam grupy uže ne bylo pozvoljeno izstupati, čto prinudžalo grupě prodolžiti svoju dějateljnost v drugyh državah: {{Lang|en|The Occupied Europe Tour '83}}. Prvy gramofonny zvukozapis {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} pojavila se v 1985 g., ale bez nazvy grupy na obložkě. V tomže samom godu pojavil se i vtory zvukozapis pod nazvoju ''Nova Akropola''. V 1986 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} učestvoval v velikom teatralnom spektaklu ''Krst pod Triglavom''. == Poslě 1987 g. == [[Fajl:LAIBACH Opus dei.jpg|thumb|Svastika sostavjena iz četyreh sěkyr, dělo němečskogo antifašističnogo umětnika [[John Heartfield|{{-|John Heartfield|Джон Хартфилд}}]], na obložkě {{Lang|la|Opus Dei}}]] Medžunarodny prělom nastupil za {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} v godu 1987, poslě publikacije jihnogo tretjego albuma {{Lang|la|Opus Dei}}. Mnogo popularna byla prěd vsim jihna bojeva i krajno bombastična versija pop-pěsnje {{Lang|en|Life is Life}} avstrijskoj grupy ''Opus'', a takože němečska versija tojže samoj pěsnje, {{Lang|de|Leben heisst Leben}}, i versija pěsnje {{Lang|en|One Vision}} {{-|[[Queen]]}}’a pod nazvoju {{Lang|de|Geburt einer Nation}} ("Narodženje naroda"). Poslě uspěha tutogo projekta {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} izdal ješče několiko albumov sodrživajučih prětvorjene děla drugyh: {{Lang|en|Let it be}} (1988; na osnově poslědnjego albuma {{-|[[The Beatles]]}}), {{Lang|en|Sympathy for the Devil}} (1989; na osnově pěsnje {{-|[[The Rolling Stones]]}}), ''{{-|NATO}}'' (1994; sodrživaje medžu drugymi děla [[Gustav Holst|Gustava Holsta]], {{-|[[Europe]]}} i {{-|[[Status Quo]])}}, {{Lang|en|Jesus Christ Superstars}} (1996; sodrživaje medžu drugymi děla [[Andrew Lloyd Webber|{{-|Andrew’a Lloyda Webbera|Ендру’а Лојда Веббера}}]], {{Lang|de|Volk}} (2006; narodne himny raznyh držav), ''{{-|LAIBACHKUNSTDERFUGE}}'' (2008, cělkovito osnovany na dělu [[Johann Sebastian Bach|{{-|Johanna Sebastiana Bacha|Јоханна Себастиана Баха}}]]), ''{{-|VolksWagner}}'' (2009, osnovany na operah [[Richard Wagner|{{-|Richarda Wagnera|Рихарда Вагнера}}]] i {{Lang|en|The Sound of Music}} (2018, na osnově jednoimennogo mjuzikla). Někoje pěsnje iz togo poslědnjego albuma {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} izpolnil v 2015 g. v [[Sěverna Koreja|Sěvernoj Koreji]], pri okaziji 70-ogo godišnice osvobodženja korejskogo poluostrova izpod japonskoj okupacije, na koncertu popolno ustrojenom suglasno konvencijam komunističnoj propagandy. Jednočasno {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} takože izdaval gramafonne zvukozapisy i kompakt-disky s originalnymi tvorami, na priklad ''{{-|Kapital}}'' (1992), ''{{-|WAT}}'' (2003) i ''{{-|Spectre}}'' (2014). V 2012 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} sdělal muziku za film {{Lang|en|Iron Sky}} Timo Vuorensoli’a. Kromě togo, {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} stvoril i originalnu teatralnu muziku, napr. ''{{-|Macbeth}}'' (1990) i {{Lang|de|Also Sprach Zarathustra}} (2017), a takože muziku za simfoničnu orkestr (''{{-|Alamut}}'', 2022). Interesno je to, že vsako dělo {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} je sovsim ino od poprědnjih, ale tym ne menje jihny unikalny stil vsegda je směsta razpoznavajemo. Iz toj pričiny muzika {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}, ktora uže od davna ne je izključiteljno industrialna, je težko klasifikovati. V 2024 godu {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl nagradženy prezidentom Slovenije, [[Nataša Pirc Musar|Natašeju Pirc Musar]], medalju za zaslugy. == Sklad == [[Fajl:Laibach, Pula 2009.JPG|thumb|240px|Milan Fras i Mina Špiler v 2009 g.]] Sklad grupy {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} mnogokratno izměnil se od časa jejnogo založenja, a kromě togo, ona često surabotala s drugymi muzikantami. V godu 2024 grupa sostoji se slědujučih stalyh členov: * Milan Fras – vokalist * Ivan "Jani" Novak – světlo, projekcija, elektronika, poněkogda vokalist * Marina {{-|Mårtensson|Мортенссон}} – vokalistka, akustična gitara * Vitja Balžalorsky – gitara * Bojan Krhlanko – perkusija * Luka Jamnik – sintezator * Rok Lopatič – sintezator == Diskografija == [[Fajl:20160406 Bochum Laibach 0697.jpg|thumb|Milan Fras, 2016]] <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * ''Laibach'' (ŠKUC/Ropot, 1985) * ''Rekapitulacija 1980–1984'' (Walter Ulbricht Schallfolien, 1985) * ''Neu Konservatiw'' (Cold Spring Record, 1985) * ''Nova akropola'' (Cherry Red, 1985) * ''The Occupied Europe Tour'' (Side Effects Rec., 1986) * ''Opus Dei'' (Mute Records, 1987) * ''Slovenska Akropola'' (Ropot, 1987) * ''Krst pod Triglavom-Baptism'' (Walter Ulbricht Schallfolien, 1987) * ''Let It Be'' (Mute Records, 1988) * ''Sympathy for the Devil'' (Mute Records, 1988) * ''Macbeth'' (Mute Records, 1990) * ''Kapital'' (Mute Records, 1992) * ''Ljubljana-Zagreb-Beograd'' (The Grey Area/Mute Records, 1993) * ''NATO'' (Mute Records, 1994) * ''Occupied Europe Nato Tour 1994-95'' (Mute Records, 1996) * ''Jesus Christ Superstars'' (The Grey Area/Mute Records, 1996) * ''MB December 1984'' (Mute Records, 1997) * ''The John Peel Sessions'' (Strange Fruit Records, 2002) * ''WAT'' (Mute Records, 2003) * ''Anthems'' (Mute Records, 2004) * ''Volk'' (Mute Records, 2006) * ''Laibachkunstderfuge'' (Mute Records/Dallas, 2008) * ''Gesamtkunstwerk – Dokument 81-86'' (Vinyl-on-demand, 2011) * ''Monumental Retro-Avant-Garde (Live At Tate Modern / 14 April 2012)'' (Abbey Road Live Here Now, 2012) * ''An Introduction to… Laibach / Reproduction Prohibited'' (Mute, 2012) * ''Iron Sky (The Original Film Soundtrack)'' (Mute, 2012) * ''Spectre'' (Mute Artists Limited, 2014) * ''Also Sprach Zarathustra'' (Mute Records, 2017) * ''The Sound Of Music'' (Mute Records, 2018) * ''Party Songs'' (Mute Records, 2019) * ''Laibach Revisited'' (DZR, 2020) * ''WIR SIND DAS VOLK - Ein Musical aus Deutschland'' (Muter Artists Ltd., 2022) * ''Alamut'' (2022) * ''Love is still alive'' (2023) * ''Sketches of the Red Districts'' (GOD records, 2023) </div> == Galerija == <center> <gallery widths="250px" heights="300px"> File:LAIBACH The Thrower.jpg|<center>Plakat iz 1983 g.</center> File:LAIBACH Buy Victory.jpg|<center>Plakat iz 1986 g.</center> File:NSK Logo.jpg|<center>Emblema {{-|NSK}}-državy</center> </gallery> <gallery widths="300px" heights="250px"> File:Laibach - Encore (467365431).jpg|<center>Koncert v 2007 g.</center> File:Laibach, Gdańsk B90, 2022-11-02 043.jpg|<center>Koncert v 2022 g.</center> </gallery> </center> == Vněšnje linky == * [http://www.laibach.org/ Oficialny vebsajt {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}] * [https://www.youtube.com/@LaibachOrg Oficialny kanal {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} na {{-|YouTube}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20141013020908/http://laibachunofficial.co.nf/laibach.html Neoficialny vebsajt o {{-|Laibachu|Лајбаху}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20130419005007/http://www.gla.ac.uk/~dc4w/laibach/hpart1.html Historija {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}] * [http://www.nskstate.com/ {{-|NSK}}-država] [[Kategorija:Muzikalne grupy]] [[Kategorija:Slovenija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q325359}} q98lzd6gzxd3ti8b42n8wjedg5wb0d7 28890 28889 2026-07-16T14:08:25Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Diskografija */ + 28890 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:LAIBACH_Press_Photo_2011.jpg|thumb|350px|Laibach v 2011 g.]] {{-|'''Laibach'''|'''Лајбах''' (лат. {{-|'''Laibach'''}})}} je muzična grupa iz [[Slovenija|Slovenije]], založena v 1980 g. v gradu [[Trbovlje]] v byvšej [[Jugoslavija|Jugoslaviji]]. Jejin stil obyčno kvalifikuje se kako "bojevo-industrialny". Od 1984 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} je muzična větva umětničskogo kolektiva {{Lang|de|Neue Slowenische Kunst (NSK)}}. Druge grupy, ktore naležet k tutomu kolektivu, sut medžu inymi grupa vizualnyh umětnostij {{-|''IRWIN''}} i teatralna grupa {{-|''NOORDUNG''}}. Nazva "{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}}" odnosi se k davnoj němečskoj nazvy glavnogo grada Slovenije, [[Ljubljana]]. == Prve lěta == [[Fajl:LAIBACH_Press_Photo_1983.jpg|thumb|240px|{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} v 1983 g.]] {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl založeny 1 junija 1980 g. v slovenečskom promyslnom gradu Trbovlje, kratko poslě smrti vodža Jugoslavije, maršala [[Josip Broz Tito|Josipa Broza Tito]]. Prvonačelni členi {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} byli Dejan Knez, Srečko Bajda, Andrej Lupinc, Tomaž Hostnik i Bine Žerko. V tečenju prvyh lět poslě svojego založenja {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} iměl seriozne problemy s jugoslavskymi vlastami. Doprva v 1982 g. udalo mu se organizovati koncerty v gradah [[Ljubljana]], [[Zagreb]] i [[Bělgrad]]. V dekembru 1982 g. Tomaž Hostnik, glavny pěvec i ideolog {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}, sovršil samoubijvstvo. Pozdněje v grupu pristupili Milan Fras, novy pěvec, i Knezen netij Ivan (Jani) Novak. [[Fajl:Black Cross.jpg|thumb|120px|left|''Črny križ'' Kazimira Maleviča]] Od početka {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl sporny zato, že identifikuje se s raznymi elementami [[nacionalsocializm]]a i [[Socialny realizm|socialnogo realizma]]. Koncerty grupy sut istinne spektakly, često na vysokyh estradah pripominajučih děla [[Leni Riefenstahl|{{-|Leni Riefenstahl|Лени Рифенштал}}]]. Členi noset uniformy, na ktoryh črny križ [[Kazimir Malevič|Kazimira Maleviča]] zaměnjaje [[Svastika|svastiku]]. Oni mnogokratno koristajut [[Němcija|němečsku]] simboliku i pěvajut na [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom]]. Vslěd togo, {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} poněkogda obvinjaje se za nacistične simpatije. Ale iz drugoj strany jihny stil, ktory nazyvajut ''totalitarny pop-art'', je natoliko groteskovy, provokatorsky i prěuveličeny, že nikto ne znaje, kake ideje oni prědstavjajut v istinnosti. Sam {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} poddrživaje tutu dvuznačnost: «My jesmo fašisti nakoliko [[Adolf Hitler|Hitler]] byl maljar.» Vo vsakom slučaju {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byla grupa disidentov, ktori protivili se komunističnomu ustroju. V 1983 g., podčas multimedialnogo koncerta v Zagrebu, jednočasno pokazyvali se na ekranu dva filmy: jedin propagandistsky i drugy pornografičny. Kogda maršal Tito pojavil se pored velikogo penisa, vojsko i policija prěrvali koncert, po čem grupa iměla izjehati iz Hrvatije. Poslě razgovoru na jugoslavskoj televiziji v tomže samom godu, nazva ''{{-|Laibach|Лајбах}}'' byla zabranjena, a členam grupy uže ne bylo pozvoljeno izstupati, čto prinudžalo grupě prodolžiti svoju dějateljnost v drugyh državah: {{Lang|en|The Occupied Europe Tour '83}}. Prvy gramofonny zvukozapis {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} pojavila se v 1985 g., ale bez nazvy grupy na obložkě. V tomže samom godu pojavil se i vtory zvukozapis pod nazvoju ''Nova Akropola''. V 1986 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} učestvoval v velikom teatralnom spektaklu ''Krst pod Triglavom''. == Poslě 1987 g. == [[Fajl:LAIBACH Opus dei.jpg|thumb|Svastika sostavjena iz četyreh sěkyr, dělo němečskogo antifašističnogo umětnika [[John Heartfield|{{-|John Heartfield|Джон Хартфилд}}]], na obložkě {{Lang|la|Opus Dei}}]] Medžunarodny prělom nastupil za {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} v godu 1987, poslě publikacije jihnogo tretjego albuma {{Lang|la|Opus Dei}}. Mnogo popularna byla prěd vsim jihna bojeva i krajno bombastična versija pop-pěsnje {{Lang|en|Life is Life}} avstrijskoj grupy ''Opus'', a takože němečska versija tojže samoj pěsnje, {{Lang|de|Leben heisst Leben}}, i versija pěsnje {{Lang|en|One Vision}} {{-|[[Queen]]}}’a pod nazvoju {{Lang|de|Geburt einer Nation}} ("Narodženje naroda"). Poslě uspěha tutogo projekta {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} izdal ješče několiko albumov sodrživajučih prětvorjene děla drugyh: {{Lang|en|Let it be}} (1988; na osnově poslědnjego albuma {{-|[[The Beatles]]}}), {{Lang|en|Sympathy for the Devil}} (1989; na osnově pěsnje {{-|[[The Rolling Stones]]}}), ''{{-|NATO}}'' (1994; sodrživaje medžu drugymi děla [[Gustav Holst|Gustava Holsta]], {{-|[[Europe]]}} i {{-|[[Status Quo]])}}, {{Lang|en|Jesus Christ Superstars}} (1996; sodrživaje medžu drugymi děla [[Andrew Lloyd Webber|{{-|Andrew’a Lloyda Webbera|Ендру’а Лојда Веббера}}]], {{Lang|de|Volk}} (2006; narodne himny raznyh držav), ''{{-|LAIBACHKUNSTDERFUGE}}'' (2008, cělkovito osnovany na dělu [[Johann Sebastian Bach|{{-|Johanna Sebastiana Bacha|Јоханна Себастиана Баха}}]]), ''{{-|VolksWagner}}'' (2009, osnovany na operah [[Richard Wagner|{{-|Richarda Wagnera|Рихарда Вагнера}}]] i {{Lang|en|The Sound of Music}} (2018, na osnově jednoimennogo mjuzikla). Někoje pěsnje iz togo poslědnjego albuma {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} izpolnil v 2015 g. v [[Sěverna Koreja|Sěvernoj Koreji]], pri okaziji 70-ogo godišnice osvobodženja korejskogo poluostrova izpod japonskoj okupacije, na koncertu popolno ustrojenom suglasno konvencijam komunističnoj propagandy. Jednočasno {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} takože izdaval gramafonne zvukozapisy i kompakt-disky s originalnymi tvorami, na priklad ''{{-|Kapital}}'' (1992), ''{{-|WAT}}'' (2003) i ''{{-|Spectre}}'' (2014). V 2012 g. {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} sdělal muziku za film {{Lang|en|Iron Sky}} Timo Vuorensoli’a. Kromě togo, {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} stvoril i originalnu teatralnu muziku, napr. ''{{-|Macbeth}}'' (1990) i {{Lang|de|Also Sprach Zarathustra}} (2017), a takože muziku za simfoničnu orkestr (''{{-|Alamut}}'', 2022). Interesno je to, že vsako dělo {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} je sovsim ino od poprědnjih, ale tym ne menje jihny unikalny stil vsegda je směsta razpoznavajemo. Iz toj pričiny muzika {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}, ktora uže od davna ne je izključiteljno industrialna, je težko klasifikovati. V 2024 godu {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} byl nagradženy prezidentom Slovenije, [[Nataša Pirc Musar|Natašeju Pirc Musar]], medalju za zaslugy. == Sklad == [[Fajl:Laibach, Pula 2009.JPG|thumb|240px|Milan Fras i Mina Špiler v 2009 g.]] Sklad grupy {{-|Laibach|Лајбах}} mnogokratno izměnil se od časa jejnogo založenja, a kromě togo, ona često surabotala s drugymi muzikantami. V godu 2024 grupa sostoji se slědujučih stalyh členov: * Milan Fras – vokalist * Ivan "Jani" Novak – světlo, projekcija, elektronika, poněkogda vokalist * Marina {{-|Mårtensson|Мортенссон}} – vokalistka, akustična gitara * Vitja Balžalorsky – gitara * Bojan Krhlanko – perkusija * Luka Jamnik – sintezator * Rok Lopatič – sintezator == Diskografija == [[Fajl:20160406 Bochum Laibach 0697.jpg|thumb|Milan Fras, 2016]] <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * ''Laibach'' (ŠKUC/Ropot, 1985) * ''Rekapitulacija 1980–1984'' (Walter Ulbricht Schallfolien, 1985) * ''Neu Konservatiw'' (Cold Spring Record, 1985) * ''Nova akropola'' (Cherry Red, 1985) * ''The Occupied Europe Tour'' (Side Effects Rec., 1986) * ''Opus Dei'' (Mute Records, 1987) * ''Slovenska Akropola'' (Ropot, 1987) * ''Krst pod Triglavom-Baptism'' (Walter Ulbricht Schallfolien, 1987) * ''Let It Be'' (Mute Records, 1988) * ''Sympathy for the Devil'' (Mute Records, 1988) * ''Macbeth'' (Mute Records, 1990) * ''Kapital'' (Mute Records, 1992) * ''Ljubljana-Zagreb-Beograd'' (The Grey Area/Mute Records, 1993) * ''NATO'' (Mute Records, 1994) * ''Occupied Europe Nato Tour 1994-95'' (Mute Records, 1996) * ''Jesus Christ Superstars'' (The Grey Area/Mute Records, 1996) * ''MB December 1984'' (Mute Records, 1997) * ''The John Peel Sessions'' (Strange Fruit Records, 2002) * ''WAT'' (Mute Records, 2003) * ''Anthems'' (Mute Records, 2004) * ''Volk'' (Mute Records, 2006) * ''Laibachkunstderfuge'' (Mute Records/Dallas, 2008) * ''Gesamtkunstwerk – Dokument 81-86'' (Vinyl-on-demand, 2011) * ''Monumental Retro-Avant-Garde (Live At Tate Modern / 14 April 2012)'' (Abbey Road Live Here Now, 2012) * ''An Introduction to… Laibach / Reproduction Prohibited'' (Mute, 2012) * ''Iron Sky (The Original Film Soundtrack)'' (Mute, 2012) * ''Spectre'' (Mute Artists Limited, 2014) * ''I VIII 1944 Warszawa'' (EP, 2014) * ''Also Sprach Zarathustra'' (Mute Records, 2017) * ''The Sound Of Music'' (Mute Records, 2018) * ''Party Songs'' (Mute Records, 2019) * ''Laibach Revisited'' (DZR, 2020) * ''WIR SIND DAS VOLK - Ein Musical aus Deutschland'' (Muter Artists Ltd., 2022) * ''Alamut'' (2022) * ''Love is still alive'' (2023) * ''Sketches of the Red Districts'' (GOD records, 2023) * ''Laibach 40'' (BOX, 2025) * ''Musick'' (Mute, 2026) </div> == Galerija == <center> <gallery widths="250px" heights="300px"> File:LAIBACH The Thrower.jpg|<center>Plakat iz 1983 g.</center> File:LAIBACH Buy Victory.jpg|<center>Plakat iz 1986 g.</center> File:NSK Logo.jpg|<center>Emblema {{-|NSK}}-državy</center> </gallery> <gallery widths="300px" heights="250px"> File:Laibach - Encore (467365431).jpg|<center>Koncert v 2007 g.</center> File:Laibach, Gdańsk B90, 2022-11-02 043.jpg|<center>Koncert v 2022 g.</center> </gallery> </center> == Vněšnje linky == * [http://www.laibach.org/ Oficialny vebsajt {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}] * [https://www.youtube.com/@LaibachOrg Oficialny kanal {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}} na {{-|YouTube}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20141013020908/http://laibachunofficial.co.nf/laibach.html Neoficialny vebsajt o {{-|Laibachu|Лајбаху}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20130419005007/http://www.gla.ac.uk/~dc4w/laibach/hpart1.html Historija {{-|Laibacha|Лајбаха}}] * [http://www.nskstate.com/ {{-|NSK}}-država] [[Kategorija:Muzikalne grupy]] [[Kategorija:Slovenija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q325359}} syjpurq352xoi82yr0m3jedulyxt2rm 0 1369 28912 11431 2026-07-16T19:32:03Z IJzeren Jan 9 28912 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Allghoikhorkhoi.jpg|thumb|right|240px|Mongolsky črvjak smrti, namaljeval belgijsky maljar {{-|Pieter Dirkx}}]] [[Fajl:Amphisbaena alba03.jpg|thumb|right|240px|Amfisbena, priklad beznogogo jaščera]] [[Fajl:Tremors x ray matt frank for web.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Anatomija ''graboida'' na osnově filma {{Lang|en|Tremors}}]] '''Mongolsky črvjak smrti''' ({{Jezyky|mn|олгой-хорхой}}) je legendarny ogromny [[črvjak]], ktory suglasno poněkojim žive v [[Pustynja Gobi|pustynji Gobi]] v [[Mongolija|Mongoliji]]. Stvor byl opisany kako tolsty črvjak, črveny kako krov, s dolžinoju 0,6 do 1,2 metra, ktory žive i dvigaje se pod pěskom. Městna nazva, ''olgoj-horhoj'' znači «velikojelitny črvjak», ibo govori se, že on izgledaje kako kravje jelito. Sut oprěděljene osoblive harakteristiky, ktore městni Mongoli mu pripisyvajut – na priklad, že uměje pljuvati žoltym jadom, ktory pri kontaktu je smrtonosny, i že uměje ubiti od dalja.<ref>{{Cite web | url = http://www.mackerle.cz/olgoj-chorchoj/ | archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20090612214623/http://www.mackerle.cz/olgoj-chorchoj/ | archive-date = 2009-06-12| title = Hledání smrtícího červa | website = Mackerle.cz | access-date = 2026-01-15 | language = cz}}</ref> V občem jednako stvor je uvažany [[Kriptozoologija|kriptozoologičnoju]] bytostju, a věsti o njim sut sporne ili nepotvrdžene. == V folkloru == Životinu prvy raz opisal [[Sjedinjene štaty Ameriky|amerikansky]] paleontolog {{-|Roy Chapman Andrews}} v knigě {{Lang|en|On the Trail of Ancient Man}} (1926 g.) na osnově informacije dobytoj od mongolskogo premier-ministra Damdinbazara, ktory tvrdil, že znaje někogo, ktory go uviděl. {{-|Andrews}} napisal, že <blockquote>''Nikto iz prisutnyh nikogda ne uviděl toj stvor, ale vsi silno věrili v jegovo istnovan‌je i opisali go podrobno. On imaje oblik kolbasy okolo dvoh stop dolžiny, ne imaje ni glavu ni nogy, a je tako jadovity, že samo dotknutje uže znači momentalnu smrt. On žive v najbolje opustošenyh čestah pustynji Gobi, kamo my jesmo putovali.''<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.43811/page/n145/mode/2up | first = Roy Chapman | last = Andrews | title = On the Trail of Ancient Man: a Narrative of the Field Work of the Central Asiatic Expeditions | location = New York, London | publisher = Knickerbocker Press | year = 1926 | pages = 103–104}}</ref></blockquote> Pozdněje, [[Rosija|rosijsky]] paleontolog i pisatelj [[Fantastika|fantastiky]] Ivan Jefremov i [[Čehija|češsky]] kriptozoolog Ivan Mackerle organizovali ekspedicije do Mongolije, ale nikogda go ne našli, ačekoli uslyšeli od raznyh ljudij, že znajut někogo, ktory go uviděl. Sam {{-|Andrews}} ne věril, že istnuje, tvrdeči, že ''«za Mongolov on je to, čto drakon je za Kitajcev»''.<ref>{{-|Andrews}}, str. 103.</ref> Možno zaključiti, že nemaje naučno věrodostojnyh dokazov na istnovan‌je mongolskogo črvjaka smrti. Někoji myslet, že on s obzirom na suhy klimat v istinnosti je [[gad]] – može zmija ili beznogy jaščer.<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://www.livescience.com/46450-mongolian-death-worm.html | first = Benjamin | last = Radford | title = Mongolian Death Worm: Elusive Legend of the Gobi Desert | date = 2014-06-21 | website = Live Science | access-date = 2026-01-15}}</ref> == V popularnoj kulturě == Mongolsky črvjak smrti byl inspiracija za razne tvorby popularnoj kultury. Na njim sut bazovane ''graboidy'' v filmu {{Lang|en|Tremors}} («stresen‌ja») (1990 g.), film {{Lang|en|Mongolian Death Worm}} (2010 g.) i ogromny črvjak v [[Japonija|japonskoj]] [[Manga|mangě]] i [[anime]] ''Dandadan'' (od 2021 g.) == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} [[Kategorija:Mitologija]] [[Kategorija:Fiktivne životiny]] [[Kategorija:Mongolija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q272149}} h8d8t848slgwg9okey47lqeailml859 0 1383 28900 11577 2026-07-16T14:51:16Z IJzeren Jan 9 28900 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Outdoors-man-portrait (cropped).jpg|thumb|Muž.]] '''Muž''' jest mužsky vozrastly [[člověk]]. Slovo "muž" obyčajno koristajut jedino dlja opisa vozrastkov, a mladyh dětij i podrastkov nazyvajut [[Mladec|mladcami]]. Obyčajno muži imajut jednu iks-hromosomu od [[Mati|matere]] i jednu ipsilon-hromosomu od [[Otec|otca]]. Mužsky zarodok proizvodi veče androgenov i menje estrogenov, čim žensky zarodok. To odličje v odnositeljnoj kolikosti polovyh steroidov jest povod biologičnyh odličij mužev i [[Žena|žen]]. V pubertetu hormony, ktore pobudžajut iztvorjeńje androgenov, pomagajut razvoju vtornyh polovyh harakteristik i dělajut večšimi razliky medžu polami. Vozrastle muži imajut v srědnjem menje široky pelvis i male grudi, sravnjajuči s vozrastlymi ženami. V srědnjem muži imajut značno veče vlasov na obličju i tělu, menšu veličinu tělesnogo tuka, večši rast i veče silne muskuly, čim u žen. [[Transmuž]]i imajut pripisańje ženskogo pola, ktoro ne odpovědaje jih gendernoj identičnosti, a [[Interseks|interseks-muži]] mogut imati polove svojstva, ktore ne vhodet v obyčajne myslji o mužskoj biologiji. == Etimologija == V [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjanskyh jezykah]] slovo «muž» proizhodi od praindoevropejskogo korenja *{{Lang|ine|man-}} s tymže značeńjem. Jego mogut prikladati kako v značeńju «mužsky člověk», tako i značeńju «suprug», ale poněktore jezyky imajut razne slova dlja tyh smyslov. == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|en|Man|revizija=1034133730}} [[Kategorija:Člověk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q8441}} jffswmjt53e32dl5fnc0fq0ydy0tkp7 0 1631 28913 13496 2026-07-16T19:35:01Z IJzeren Jan 9 28913 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | name = Rob Jetten | native_name = <center>Premier-minister [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]]</span></center> | native_name_lang = | image = | imagesize = | caption = Jetten v 2025 g. | office = | term_start = 23 fevruara 2026 g. | term_end = | predecessor = [[Dick Schoof|{{-|Dick Schoof|Дик Схоф}}]] | successor = | deputy = | module = {{Navbox | titlestyle = background-color:#FCF;text-align:center; | title = Prědhodne dolžnosti | bullets = on | group 1 = dolžnost | list1 = * — Ministr klimata i energije [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]] (10.01.2022 – 02.07.2024)<br />— Vodž {{-|Demokrati 66|D66}} (11.08.2023 – nyně) }} | order2 = | office2 = Ministr klimata i energije [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]] | term_start2 = 10 januara 2022 g. | term_end2 = 2 julija 2024 g. | premier2 = | deputy2 = | predecessor2 = | successor2 = | office3 = | deputy3 = | term_start3 = | term_end3 = | predecessor3 = | successor3 = | office4 = | term_start4 = | term_end4 = | deputy4 = | premier4 = | predecessor4 = | successor4 = | office5 = | term_start5 = | term_end5 = | predecessor5 = | successor5 = | birth_name = Rob Arnoldus Adrianus (Rob) Jetten | birth_date = 25 marca 1987 g. | birth_place = {{-|Veghel|Вехел}} ([[Niderlandy]]) | death_date = | death_place = | resting_place = | party = [[Demokrati 66]] ({{-|D66}}) | otherparty = | spouse = | children = | parents = | education = Universitet {{-|Nijmegena|Нејмегена}} | signature = [[Fajl:Signature of Rob Jetten.svg|center|250px|frameless]] | module2 = | partner = {{-|Nicolás Keenan|Николас Кинан}} }} {{-|'''Rob Arnoldus Adrianus (Rob) Jetten'''|'''Роб Јеттен''' ({{Jezyky|nl|Rob Arnoldus Adrianus (Rob) Jetten}})}} (ur. [[Veghel|{{-|Veghel|Вехел}}]], 25 marca 1987 g.) je [[Niderlandy|niderlandsky]] politik. Od 23 fevruara 2026 g. on je premier-ministr [[Niderlandy|Niderlandov]]. Raněje byl ministr klimata i energije (2022–2024) i vice-premier-ministr (2024) v četvrtoj vladě [[Mark Rutte|Marka Rutte]]. Od avgusta 2023 g. on je vodž centrično-liberalnoj partije [[Demokrati 66]] ({{-|D66}}). Jetten je najmladši premier-ministr, a takože prvy otvorjeny [[Homoseksualnost|homoseksualist]], v historiji Niderlandov. == Žitje == Rob Jetten narodil se v [[Katoličska crkov|rimsko-katoličskoj]] rodině v gradu {{-|Veghel|Вехел}} i dorastal v gradu [[Uden]], oba v provinciji [[Sěverny Brabant]]. Poslě osnovnoj i srědnjej školy on studioval [[državno upravjen‌je]] v Universitetu {{-|Nijmegen|Нејмеген}}a v lětah 2005–2011. Poslědovateljno rabotal stažistom, a potom konsultantom i menedžerom v želězničnoj korporaciji {{-|''ProRail''}} v lětah 2011–2017.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.parlement.com/biografie/drs-raa-rob-jetten | title = Drs. R.A.A. (Rob) Jetten | website = Parlement.com | access-date = 2025-01-31 | language = nl}}</ref> Jegova politična dějateljnost načela se podčas studentskyh lět, najprvo kako surabotnik frakcije [[Demokrati 66|{{-|D66}}]] v vrhnjej izbě niderlandskogo parlamenta ({{Lang|nl|Eerste Kamer}}), a potom kako prědsědatelj Mladyh demokratov, mladežnoj organizacije {{-|D66}}, v lětah 2008–2009. V 2010 g. byl izbrany členom gradskogo sověta Nejmegena, čim ostal do 2017 g. V parlamentarnyh izborah v marcu 2017 g. Jetten byl izbrany členom dolnoj izby ({{Lang|nl|Tweede Kamer}}), kde stal rěčnik {{-|D66}} za klimat, energiju, gaz, želěznicu, demokratično obnovjen‌je i ekonomične děla. Uže 9 oktobra 2018 on stal prědsědatelj frakcije {{-|D66}} vslěd ustupjen‌ja Aleksandra Pehtolda, čto v praktikě značilo, že Jetten neformalno i stal začasny vodž partije – najmladši v jej historiji, ibo mu bylo toliko 31 lět.<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://nos.nl/artikel/2254034-rob-jetten-nieuwe-fractievoorzitter-d66 | title = Rob Jetten nieuwe fractievoorzitter D66 | website = NOS.nl | date = 2018-10-09 | language = nl}}</ref> [[Fajl:Even_voorstellen..._Rob_Jetten-_Van_klimaatdrammer_naar_klimaatminister.webm | thumb | left | 300px | Jetten, novy ministr klimata i energije, prědstavjaje se.]] Na početku on ne byl uspěšny v svojej novoj rolji: on byl često kritikovany za priučene, šablonne odgovory na vse pytan‌ja, čto bystro dalo mu prězvišče «Robot Jetten».<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://reportersonline.nl/de-bliksemcarriere-van-robot-jetten/ | first = Fons | last = Kockelmans | title = De bliksemcarrière van Robot Jetten | website = reportersonline.nl | date = 2025-07-10 | language = nl | access-date = 2026-01-31}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.adformatie.nl/reputatiemanagement/waarom-d66er-rob-jetten-zoveel-weerstand-oproept | title = Waarom D66'er Rob Jetten zoveel weerstand oproept | first = Natalie | last = Holwerda-Mieras | website = Adformatie | date = 2018-10-16 | archive-url = https://archive.today/20251012170421/https://www.adformatie.nl/marketing/merkstrategie/waarom-d66-er-rob-jetten-zoveel-weerstand-oproept | archive-date = 2025-10-12 | language = nl}}</ref> Prěd izborami 2021 g. Jetten ne kandidoval se na vodža partije; tutu rolju prějela v 2020 g. [[Sigrid Kaag]], a pod jejnym vodžstvom {{-|D66}} dobyl 15% glasov i 24 deputatov v dolnoj izbě. V četvrtoj vladě Marka Rutte, inavgurovanoj 10 januara 2022 g., Jetten stal ministr bez portfelja za klimat i energiju. V 2023 g. Sigrid Kaag ustupila kako vodž partije iz pričiny nenavisti, intimidacije i grozb napravjenyh v jejnu sěmju.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://dit.eo.nl/artikel/kaag-bedreigd-uit-politiek-slachtoffer-vrouwenhaat | title = Bedreigde Sigrid Kaag stapt uit de politiek: het slachtoffer van vrouwenhaat? | first = Steve | last = Oosterkamp | website = EO.nl | date = 2023-07-13 | language = nl}}</ref> Tutokratno Jetten stal jejin naslědnik. Jednakože pod jegovym vodžstvom partija {{-|D66}} v parlamentarnyh izborah 2023 g. potrpěla bolěsnu poražku, po čem Jetten vrnul se v parlament. Jednočasno ostal ministr, a 8 januara 2024 g. takože naslědil Kaag kako vice-premier-ministr, kogda ona cělkovito izstupila iz politiky. Poslě inavguracije vlady [[Dick Schoof|{{-|Dicka Schoofa|Дика Схофа}}]] v juliju togože goda, Jetten prodolžal aktivnost kako člen parlementa i prědsědatelj frakcije. 28 junija 2025 členi {{-|D66}} ponovno izbrali Jettena vodžem partije. Poslě intesivnoj i optimističnoj kampanije ona dobyla ok. 17% vsih glasov i 26 deputatov v parlamentarnyh izborah 29 oktobra 2025 g. – največšu pobědu v historiji partije, ktora tym rezultatom takože stala največša partija v dolnoj izbě.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.nu.nl/tweede-kamerverkiezingen/6375148/kiesraad-bevestigt-d66-is-verkiezingswinnaar-en-krijgt-net-als-pvv-26-zetels.html | title = Kiesraad bevestigt: D66 is verkiezingswinnaar en krijgt net als PVV 26 zetels | website = nu.nl | date = 2025-11-07 | language = nl}}</ref> Slědovateljno Jetten byl najpravdopodnějši kandidat za tvorjen‌je novoj vlady.<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/oct/30/rob-jetten-anti-wilders-yes-we-can-candidate-next-dutch-pm | last = Boztas | first = Senay | title = Rob Jetten: anti-Wilders, ‘Yes we can’ candidate poised to be next Dutch PM | newspaper = The Guardian | date = 2025-10-30 | language = en | access-date = 2026-01-31}}</ref> V dnju 23 fevruara 2026 centrično-pravičarska vlada Jettena byla inavgurovana; kromě {{-|D66}} ona sostoji iz liberalnoj partije [[Narodna partija za svobodu i demokraciju|{{-|VVD}}]] i hristijansko-demokratičnoj partije [[Hristijansko-demokratičny poklik|{{-|CDA}}]].<ref>{{Cite news | url = https://nos.nl/artikel/2603685-kabinet-jetten-officieel-beedigd-en-kan-aan-de-slag | title = Kabinet-Jetten officieel beëdigd en kan aan de slag | website = NOS.nl | date = 2026-02-23 | language = nl}}</ref> == Publikacije == * {{Cite book | first = Rob | last = Jetten | title = Hoe het wél kan. Alleen echte doorbraken brengen Nederland vooruit | year = 2025 | isbn = 9789044660791 | language = nl}} 93 str. == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{DEFAULTSORT:Jetten, Rob}} [[Kategorija:Niderlandski politiki]] {{INTERWIKI|Q28860866}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 3f20vwmfrrbdstx6f3pbm083cf5xjjr 0 1707 28901 14006 2026-07-16T14:52:12Z IJzeren Jan 9 28901 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | nativename = {{Jezyky|sk|slovenčina|sk|slovenský jazyk}} | states = [[Slovakija]], [[Madjarija]], [[Ukrajina]] | ethnicity = [[slovaki]] | speakers = kolo 5.2 milionov | date = 2015 | script = [[latinica]] | nation = * [[Slovakija]] * [[Vojvodina]] (krajina [[Srbija|Srbije]]) | minority = * [[Čehija]] * [[Poljska]] * [[Madjarija]] * [[Hrvatija]] * [[Ukrajina]] * [[Srbija]] | agency = Ministerstvo kultury Slovačskoj republiky | family = * [[Indoevropejske jezyky]] ** [[Baltoslovjanske jezyky]] *** [[Slovjanske jezyky]] **** [[Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky]] ***** [[Češskoslovačske jezyky]] | map = Map of Slovak language.svg | mapcaption = Ozemje, na ktoryh govoret na slovačskom }} '''Slovačsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|sk|slovenský jazyk|sk|slovenčina|sk|slovenská reč}}) jest [[Slovjanske jezyky|slovjansky jezyk]], [[narodny jezyk]] [[Slovaki|slovakov]]. Jest blizky [[Češsky jezyk|češskomu jezyku]], s ktorym jego sjedinjajut v [[Češskoslovačske jezyky|češskoslovačsku podrodinu]] v ramkah [[Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky|zapadnoslovjanskoj jezykovoj rodiny]]. Služebny jezyk [[Slovakija|Slovakije]] i jedin iz 24 služebnyh jezykov [[Evropejsky sojuz|Evropejskogo sojuza]]. Glavno na njem govoret v Slovakiji, takože govoritelji živut v [[Čehija|Čehiji]], [[Srbija|Srbiji]], [[Madjarija|Madjariji]], [[Rumunija|Rumuniji]], [[Avstrija|Avstriji]], [[Hrvatija|Hrvatiji]], [[Kanada|Kanadě]], [[SŠA]], [[Avstralija|Avstraliji]], [[Ukrajina|Ukrajině]] i inyh državah. V redu držav Centralnoj i Iztočnoj Evropy, v ktoryh obyčno slovaki živut v malyh čislah, slovačsky imaje status oblasnogo jezyka. Na slovačskom govoret kolo 5.2 milionov ljudij (2013), iz njih v Slovakiji 4.34 milionov (2012). V slovačskom jezyku uděljajut 3 narěčja (ili narěčne grupy): zapadnoslovačsko, srědneslovačsko i iztočnoslovačsko. K črtam slovačskogo jezyka, čest ktoryh uděljaje jego srěd slovjanskyh jezykov, odnoset take fonetične črty, kako bytje v ustroju vokalizma razom s kratkymi dolgyh samoglasok i dvuglasok i̯a, i̯e, i̯u, u̯o, ktore sostavjajut dolgy [[slog]]; bytje glasky {{-|/ä/}}, ktora jednakože izhodi iz upotrěby v sovrěmennom jezyku; razprostranjeńje ritmičnogo zakona, po ktoromu slogy s dolgymi samoglaskami i dvuglaskami ne mogut slědovati jedin za drugym v jednom slovu; v ustroju konsonantizma — upotrěba dolgyh i kratkyh zvučnyh {{-|[l̥], [l̥̄], [r̥], [r̥̄]}}, ktore izstupajut funkcionalnymi odpovědnikami samoglasok; utrata palatalizacijnyh suglasok, bytje dvuh tipov l (prědnejezyčnoj {{-|l}} i palatalizacijnoj {{-|ľ}}) i t. d. Iz črt morfologije slovačskogo označajut bytje dokončeńja ''{{-|-ovia}}'' u živyh imennikov dlja množin v formě imeniteljnika, razprostranjeńje dokončeńja ''{{-|-m}}'' u vsih glagolov tutčasnogo vrěmene dlja jednin v formě 1. osoby i t. d. Do 18. stolětja kniževnym jezykom slovakov byl češsky, v srědině 19. stolětja kodifikovali slovačsky kniževny jezyk, glavno na osnově srědneslovačskogo narěčja. V historiji slovačskogo kniževnogo jezyka uděljajut rany (do 1000 roka), dokniževny (1000–1787 roky) i kniževny periody (s 1787 roka). Slovačsky alfabet koristaje [[Latinica|latinicu]]. Najrane pomniky imenno slovačskogo pisma datujut koncom 15. — 16. stolětjami, ale slovakizmy nahodet se v češskyh, němečskyh i latinskyh pomnikah vyše ranego perioda. == Nazva == Samonazvy slovakov ({{Lang|sk|Slovák}} «slovak», {{Lang|sk|Slovenka}} «slovačka») i slovačskogo jezyka ({{Lang|sk|slovenský jazyk, slovenčina, slovenská reč}}) imajut občeslovjanske korenje. Slovo {{Lang|sk|Slovák}} jest obrazovano izměnoju sufiksa v praslovjanskom *{{-|slověninъ}} «slovjanin», a {{Lang|sk|Slovenka}} bezposrědnje proizhodi od praslovjanskogo *{{-|slověnъka}} «slovjanka». Shodnu samonazvu imaje ješče jedin slovjansky jezyk, [[Slovenečsky jezyk|slovenečsky]] ({{Lang|sl|slovenski jezik, slovenščina}}). == Geografija == [[Fajl:Языки-Словакии-карта.png|thumb|Razprostranjeńje slovačskogo jezyka v Slovakiji.]] Po kolikosti govoriteljev slovačsky jezyk zajmaje 3. město srěd zapadnoslovjanskyh jezykov, poslě poljskogo i češskogo. Osnovne ozemje razprostranjeńja slovačskogo sut ozemje [[Slovakija|Slovakije]]. Suglasno spisu naseljeńja Slovakije od 2011 goda, kako rodny jezyk slovačsky označili 4240453 ljudij (78.6% ljudij v kraju). V žitju slovačsky koristajut 4337695 ljudij v Slovakiji (80.4%), kako jezyk domovogo sporazuměvańja slovačsky označili 3954149 ljudij (73.3%). Absolutno večinstvo govoriteljev slovačskogo sut [[slovaki]], ktoryh v Slovakiji vsego sut 4352775 ljudij (80.7%). Govoritelji slovačskogo takože živut na česti ozemij susědnyh krajev, ktore razom so Slovakijeju byli čestju kraljevstva Madjarije: v [[Madjarija|Madjariji]] slovačsky označili kako rodny 9888 iz 29647 madjarskyh slovakov (vsego jim molvet 16266 ljudij, 2011 god) i v [[Ukrajina|Ukrajině]], glavno v krajině Zakarpatja, kde slovačsky označili kako rodny 2633 iz 6397 slovakov. Pokromě, na slovačskom govoret obyvatelji reda inyh ozemij bylogo Madjarskogo kraljevstva, ktore ne sut susědne so Slovakijeju. V [[Rumunija|Rumuniji]], glavno v krajinah Transilvanije i Banata, slovačsky imajut kako rodny 12574 iz 13654 slovakov (vsego na njem govoret 12802 ljudij, 2011). V [[Srbija|Srbiji]], glavno v avtonomnom kraju Vojvodina, slovačsky kako rodny v spisu 2011 goda označili 49796 iz 52750 srbskyh slovakov (v Vojvodině živut 47760 iz njih). V [[Hrvatija|Hrvatiji]], glavno na iztoku kraja, v Vukovarsko-srijemskoj i Osečko-baranjskoj županijah, slovačskym govoret kako rodnym 3792 iz 4753 hrvatskyh slovakov (2011). == Pismo == Slovačsky alfabet jest osnovany na [[Latinica|latinici]] s dodatkom reda diaktiričnyh znakov: * Znak [[akut]]a (´) priměnjajut dlja označeńja dolgyh samoglasok: {{-|á}} ({{Lang|sk|zámka}} «zamok»), {{-|é}} ({{Lang|sk|diéta}} «dieta»), {{-|í}} ({{Lang|sk|blížny}} «bližny»), {{-|ó}} ({{Lang|sk|kópia}} «odtisk»), {{-|ú}} ({{Lang|sk|súčet}} «suma») i {{-|ý}} ({{Lang|sk|nový}} «novy»), a takože dlja označeńja suglasok-sonorantov, ktore dělajut slog: {{-|ŕ}} ({{Lang|sk|vŕba}} «vrba») i {{-|ĺ}} ({{Lang|sk|stĺp}} «stolp»). * Znak [[cirkumfleks]]a (ˆ) nad bukvoju {{-|ô}} koristajut dlja označeńja dvuglasky {{-|/u̯o/}}: {{Lang|sk|nôž}} «nož», {{Lang|sk|stôl}} «stol». * Znak [[umlaut]]a (¨) nad bukvoju {{-|ä}} imaje značeńje tako rěčenogo «širokogo odkrytogo {{-|[e]}}»: {{Lang|sk|najmä}} «glavno», {{Lang|sk|mäkký}} «mekky». * Znak [[haček]]a (ˇ) koristajut dlja označeńja suglasok {{-|/š/, /ž/, /č/}} i {{-|/ǯ/}} (v dvuglaskě {{-|dž}}): {{Lang|sk|šesť}} «šest»; {{Lang|sk|dážď}} «dožd»; {{Lang|sk|čas}} «čas»; {{Lang|sk|džez}} «džaz». Znakom hačeka takože označajut mekkost suglasok {{-|/n’/ (ň)}} i {{-|/ť/, /ď/}} (jedino u velikyh bukv): {{Lang|sk|kôň}} «konj»; {{Lang|sk|Ťanšan}} «Tjanjšanj»; {{Lang|sk|Ďaleký východ}} «Daleky iztok». Prěd bukvami {{-|e, i}} i {{-|í}} mekkost {{-|/n’/, /ť/}} i {{-|/ď/}} ne označajut. * Znak [[apostrof]]a (’) označaje mekkost suglasok {{-|/ť/, /ď/}} (jedino u malyh bukv) i {{-|/ľ}}, kromě položeńja prěd bukvami {{-|e, i}} i {{-|í}}: {{Lang|sk|byť}} «byti»; {{Lang|sk|ďateľ}} «detel»; {{Lang|sk|ľúbiť}} «ljubiti». Vsakoj glaskě slovačskogo jezyka obyčno odpovědaje jedna bukva, s izključeńjem dvuglasok {{-|dz, dž}} i {{-|ch}}, ktore prědajut na pismu glasky {{-|/ʒ/, /ǯ/}} i {{-|/x/}}, i dvuglasok {{-|ia, ie, iu}}), ktore koristajut dlja označeńja dvuglasok {{-|/i̯a/, /i̯e/}} i {{-|/i̯u/}}. Vsego slovačsky alfabet imaje 46 bukv. == Historija == V historiji slovačskogo kniževnogo jezyka uděljajut slědne periody: # Rany period (do 1000 roka): #* dovelikomoravsky period (do 845 roka) #* velikomoravsky period (845–900 roky) #* poslěvelikomoravsky period (900–1000 roky) # Dokniževny period (1000–1787 roky) #* starši period (11.–14. stolětja) #* mladši period (16.–18. stolětja) # Kniževny period (s 1787 roka) #* bernolakovsky period (1787–1843 roky) #* šturovsky period (1843–1852 roky) #* reformeny period (1852–1863 roky) #* matičny period (1863–1875 roky) #* martinsky period (1875–1918 roky) #* medžuvojenny period (1918–1940 roky) #* sovrěmenny period (s 1940 roka) Rany stupenj historije obrazovańja i razvoja slovačskogo jezyka slovačsky jezykoznavec [[Rudolf Krajčovič]] děli na tri perioda: * poslěmigracijny (7.–8. stolětja) — obrazovańje praslovačskyh ozemij iz kako zapadnoslovjanskyh, tako i nezapadnoslovjanskyh narěčij. * integracijny (8.–9. stolětja) — jedine jezyčne procesy na vsih praslovačskyh ozemjah. * ustavny (10.–11. stolětja) — obrazovańje slovačskogo kako samostojnogo jezyka. == Vněšnje linky == {{Vikipedija na jezyku|sk}} {{Prěvod|ru|Словацкий язык|revizija=113790925}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Slovjanske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Slovakija]] {{INTERWIKI|Q9058}} 6jsgw6nmouams8w77z30cccu0oa8dx2 0 1714 28902 14049 2026-07-16T14:53:34Z IJzeren Jan 9 28902 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka jezyk | name = Slovinsky | map = File:Distribution of the Slovincian language in the 20th century, in red.png | ethnicity = [[kašubi]] i [[poljaki]] | region = [[Kašubija]] ([[Poljska]]) | extinct = [[20. stolětje]] | speakers = 0 | date = | script = [[latinica]] | minority = | agency = | family = * [[Indoevropejske jezyky]] ** [[Baltoslovjanske jezyky]] *** [[Slovjanske jezyky]] **** [[Zapadnoslovjanske jezyky]] ***** [[Lehitske jezyky]] |iso1= |iso2=sla |iso3= }} '''Slovinsky jezyk''' (takože: ''{{-|slovjĩnsħï ją̃zĕk}}'', ''{{-|slovjĩnsħė gådą̃ńė}}'', ''{{-|słowińskô mòwa}}'' ili {{-|''szproka''}}) byl [[Zapadoslovjanske jezyky|zapadoslovjansky]] [[idiom]] iz [[Lehitske jezyky|lehitskoj podgrupy]], ktory izumrěl v [[20. stolětje|20. stolětju]]. Slovinsky jezyk jest od nektoryh lingvistov smatrjany kako dialekt [[Kašubsky jezyk|kašubskogo jezyka]], od drugyh — kako oddělny jezyk. Poněkogda takože jest grupovan s kašubskym pod imenom ''[[pomorsky jezyk]]''. Na njem govorili [[Slovinci]], narod opisany vprvo od [[A. F. Hilferding]]a v 1856 godu. == Historija == V XVII–XIX stolětju slovinsky jezyk byl upotrěbjeny i v crkovnyh propovědah. Poslě sjedinjenja [[Němcija|Němcije]] v 1871 [[Němečsky jezyk|němečsky]] postupno zastupil slovinsky. K začetku XX stolětja ostali jedino několiko desetkov nositeljev, vsi govorili na němečskom. Po 1945 slovinci, v večinstvu protestanti, byli uznani praviteljstvom [[Poljska|Poljsky]] kako Němci i večinstvo bylo razseljeno do Němcije, glavno do okolic [[Hamburg]]a. Něktori starši ostali v Poljskě i pametali slovinsky jezyk do konca 1950-tyh rokov. == Lingvistične osoblivosti == V slovinskom jezyku byli posebne reflekse kombinacij s {{-|torT → TarT}}: ''{{-|varna}}'' «vrana»; {{-|TelT → TloT}}: ''{{-|mloṷko}}'' «mlěko»; *{{-|ḷ → oṷ/öṷ}}: ''{{-|köṷböṷsa}}'' «kolbasa». Palatalizacija *{{-|dj}}, *{{-|g}} → {{-|z}}: ''{{-|saza}}'' «sadža». Nosna samoglaska *{{-|ę → i}}: ''{{-|cignǫc}}'' «tegnuti». Sibilanty i /{{-|c}}/ utvrdili se; udar v slově ne byl fiksovany. == Literatura == * A. F. Hilferding, ''Ostatki slavjan na južnem beregu Baltičskogo morja'', 1862 * {{-|F. Lorentz, ''Slovinzische Grammatik'', SPb., 1903}} == Vněšnji link == * [[:en:Slovincian grammar|Slovinska gramatika]] (na anglijskoj Vikipediji) [[Kategorija:Slovjanske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Poljska]] [[Kategorija:Kultura Pomorja]] [[Kategorija:Slovinci]] [[Kategorija:Umětne jezyky]] {{Slovjanske jezyky}} {{INTERWIKI|Q36822}} hs41zc0uss8t0c4bwvekurh7wsq5oje 0 1931 28899 16616 2026-07-16T14:50:18Z IJzeren Jan 9 28899 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Venedčyna''' (takože {{-|'''Wenedczyna''', '''Венедовы jезык''', '''Język Wenedski, Venedova mówa, Mówa Wenedska'''}}) jest [[Sěveroslovjanske jezyky|sěveroslovjanska]] literaturna norma [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskogo jezyka]], razvita v 2012 godu. Tuta norma prědstavlja jezyk sěvernyh (zapadnyh i voztočnyh) [[Slovjani|Slovjan]] i formuje tretju literaturnu normu medžuslovjanskogo jezyka — pored s [[Slovianski|slovjanskoju]] (vseslovjanskoju) i [[Novoslověnsky jezyk|novoslověnskoju]] (južnoslovjanskoju) normami. Venedčyna harakterizuje se jasno izraženym orientovanjem na sěverne slovjanske jezyky i postupnym odkazom od južnoslovjanskyh jezykovyh elementov. == Ideja i avtori == Ideja venedskoj normy byla formulovana Nikolajem (Aleksandrem) Vladimirovičom Kuzněcovom i Valdemarem Ryšardem Čurom. Avtori imali cělj sozdati normu medžuslovjanskogo jezyka, ktora by byla blizša sěvernym slovjanskym jezykam, osoblivo poljskomu, češskomu i voztočnoslovjanskym tradicijam, s ograničenym upotrěbjenjem južnoslovjanskyh form.<ref>{{Cite book | last1 = Кузнецов | first1 = Н. В. | last2 = Чур | first2 = В. Р. | title = Венедский язык: Этап становления междуславянского литературного диалога | location = Архангельск–Москва | publisher = самиздат | year = 2014}}</ref> == Město v medžuslovjanskom projektu == Do 2017 g. nad medžuslovjanskym jezykom rabotali tri osnovne projekty: '''[[Slovianski|Slovjanski]]''' (od 2006 goda), '''[[Novoslověnsky]]''' (od 2009 goda) i '''Venedčyna''' (od 2013 goda). Tute projekty razděljajut medžu soboju naturalističny pravopis, v mnogom obči slovnik, obču občinu, razne platformy v sěti i jedin obči cělj. Gramatična osnova i literaturna norma venedskogo jezyka opirajut se na normy poljskogo, russkogo, bělorusskogo, ukrajinskogo, češskogo, slovačskogo i lužičskih jezykov. Tuta kombinacija pozvoljaje shranjati sěveroslovjansky harakter normy pri vysokoj razuměmosti v ramkah slovjanskogo jezykovogo kontinuuma. == Cělje == Glavnym cěljem venedskogo jezyka jest sozdanje razvitoj gramatičnoj i sěveroslovjanskoj literaturnoj normy v ramkah medžuslovjanskogo jezyka. Daljšim cěljem jest razvivanje slovjanskoj komunikacije takym obrazom, že s pomočju venedčyny možno občati bez upotrěbjenja oddělnyh nacionalnyh slovjanskyh jezykov. == Ortografija i azbuka == Sěverna venedčyna koristi latiničnu azbuku s diakritičnymi znakami, orientovanu na naturalističny i etimologičny pravopis. Ortografičny sistem jest prisposobjen sěveroslovjanskoj fonologiji i dozvoljaje točno odražati fonetične i morfologične razliky medžu slovami. Ortografija venedčyny vklučaje slědne važne osoblivosti: * različenje kratkyh i dolgyh vokalov, * upotrěbjenje nosovyh vokalov, * označenje mekkosti soglasnyh, * palatalizaciju soglasnyh, * upotrěbjenje posebnoj bukvy {{-|ř}} za označenje mekkogo vibranta ''r''. Palatalizacija soglasnyh igra važnu rolju v fleksiji i slovotvorjenju, osoblivo prěd vokalami ''{{-|i, í, ě, e, é}}''. Mekke soglasne obyčno nastavajut v poziciji prěd etimologično palatalizujučimi vokalami i ne vsegda pišut se s osobnymi diakritičnymi znakami. === Alfabet=== Latinična azbuka venedčyny sostoji iz slědnyh bukv: {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! Bukva !! Zvuk !! Bukva !! Zvuk !! Bukva !! Zvuk |- | A a || a || G g || tvrdo g || Ř ř || mekko r |- | Ą ą || ǫ (Ѫ) || H h || ɦ || S s || s |- | Á á || dolgo a || I i || i || Š š || š |- | B b || b || Í í || dolgo i || Ś ś || mekko s |- | C c || c || J j || j || T t || t |- | Č č || č || K k || k || Ť ť || mekko t |- | Ć ć || mekko č || Ł ł || l || U u || u |- | Ch ch || h / x || Ľ ľ || mekko l || Ŭ ŭ || kratko u |- | D d || d || M m || m || Ú ú || dolgo u |- | Ď ď || mekko d || N n || n || V v || v |- | E e || e || Ň ň || mekko n || Y y || y |- | Ę ę || ę (Ѧ) || O o || o || Z z || z |- | Ě ě || ě (Ѣ) || Ó ó || dolgo o || Ž ž || ž |- | É é || dolgo e || P p || p || Ź ź || mekko z |- | F f || f || R r || r || || |} Mekke soglasne prěd ''{{-|ě, i, í}}'' fonetično realizujut se kak palatalizovane, no ne vsegda obvezno označajut se osobnymi diakritičnymi znakami v pismu, zavisno od etimologije slova. == Imenna sistema == '''Imennik''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|sųšt́ęstvnik}}''') služi dlja označenja prědmeta, sučnosti, osoby ili abstraktnogo pojetja. Imena imajut gramatičny rod, čislo i padež, čto dozvoljaje vyražati sintaktične odnošenja v prědloženju. === Rod === V venedčyně sut tri gramatične rody: * '''mužsky rod''' — napr.: ''{{-|svět, broj, cev, język, háček}}''; * '''žensky rod''' — napr.: ''{{-|boľ, cěľ, kamílica, soba, uváha}}''; * '''srědny rod''' — napr.: ''{{-|serco, sonce, sklo, gŕlo, męso}}''. === Čislo === Imena imajut tri čisla: * '''jedinstveno čislo''' — osnovna forma imena; * '''množinsko čislo''' — označaje množstvo prědmetov ili osob; * '''dvojstveno čislo''' — upotrěbja se pri označenju dvoh prědmetov ili osob. V dvojstvenom čislu se upotrěbja okončanje '''{{-|-íma}}'''. === Padeže === V venedčyně jest '''sedm padežev''': {| class="wikitable" ! Padež !! Funkcija |- | '''Imeniteljny''' || podležeče i imenno skazujuče |- | '''Roditeljny''' || prinaležnost, upotrěba s čislami, po něktoryh glagolah |- | '''Dateljno-prědložny''' || soodvěstvuje dateljnomu i prědložnomu padežu |- | '''Viniteljny''' || dopolnjenje, takože odgovor na vopros ''kuda?'' |- | '''Narěčny''' || odgovarja na voprosy ''kako?'', ''čem?'' |- | '''Městny''' || odgovara na vopros ''kde?'' |- | '''Zvateljny''' || forma obračenja |} === Sklonjenja === V venedčyně sut tri sklonjenja, soodvěstvujuče gramatičnomu rodu imeni. ==== Mužsky rod ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Jedinstveno čislo !! Množinsko čislo |- | im. || język / broj || języci / broji |- | rod. || języka / broja || językov / brojev |- | dat. || języku / broju || językóm / brojém |- | vin. || język / brój || języcí / brojí |- | nar. || językom / brojem || języámi / brojámi |- | měst. || (o) języcě / (o) brojě || (o) języcěch / (o) brojěch |- | zv. || języče / brojú || językóve / brojévo |} ==== Žensky rod ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Jedinstveno čislo !! Množinsko čislo |- | im. || soba / mať || soby / mati |- | rod. || soby / mati || sob / maťej |- | dat. || sobě / matí || sobam / maťem |- | vin. || sobu / máť || soby / mátí |- | nar. || soboj / maťej || sobámi / maťámi |- | měst. || (o) sobí / (o) mati || (o) soběch / (o) matěch |- | zv. || sobo / maťe || sobi / mati |} ==== Srědny rod ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Jedinstveno čislo !! Množinsko čislo |- | im. || serco / gŕlo || sercá / gŕlá |- | rod. || serca / gŕla || serc / gŕl |- | dat. || sercu / gŕlu || sercém / gŕlóm |- | vin. || sercó / gŕló || sércá / gŕlá |- | nar. || sercem / gŕlom || sercámi / gŕlámi |- | měst. || (o) sercě / (o) gŕlě || (o) sercěch / (o) gŕlěch |- | zv. || serče / gŕli || sercí / gŕle |} === Dvojstveno čislo === Osobitostju normy jest shranjenje dvojstvennogo čisla, ktoro ima osobne fleksijne formy dlja vsih rodov. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Rod !! Forma |- | mužsky || języcíma |- | srědny || sercíma |- | žensky || sobíma |} === Palatalizacija === V venedčyně jest razvita palatalizacija soglasnyh: * {{-|''k → c'', ''g, h → z'', ''ch → s''}} prěd {{-|''i, í, ě, e, é, ja''}} v fleksijah; * {{-|''k → č'', ''g, h → ž'', ''ch → š''}} v zvateljnom padežu i pri slovotvorjenju. Priměry: * {{-|''člověk – člověci – člověčski''}}; * {{-|''Čech – Česi – Češka''}}; * {{-|''Praha – v Prazě – pražski''}}. == Primetniky == '''Primetnik''' v venedčyně služi dlja označenja priznaka imena i soglasuje se s njim v rodu, čislu i padežu i razděljajut se na: * mekkoosnovne, * tvrdoosnovne. Primetniky imajut stupnje sravnjenja i sklonjajut se po ustaljenym paradigmam. Norma shranja sistem stupnjev sravnjenja: pozitivny, sravniteljny i prěvysši. === Razděljenje primetnikov === Primetniky razděljajut se na: * '''mekkoosnovne''' — osnovy zakončajut se na {{-|''-k, -g, -h, -ch''}}, mekke soglasne, {{-|''-j'', ''-c''}}; * '''tvrdoosnovne''' — vse ostale osnovy. V imeniteljnom padežu mužskogo roda jedinstvenogo čisla: * mekkoosnovne imajut okončanje {{-|'''-i'''}}; * tverdoosnovne imajut okončanje {{-|'''-y'''}}. === Sklonjenje mekkoosnovnyh primetnikov === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m. r. !! sr. r. !! ž. r. !! množinsko i dvojstveno čislo |- | im. || sini || siňe || siňa || siní |- | rod. || siňeho || siňeho || siňe || sinich |- | dat. || siňemu || siňemu || siňé || siním |- | vin. || siňého / sini || siňé || siňú || siní |- | nar. || sinim || sinim || siňu || siními |- | měst. || (o) siňem || (o) siňem || (o) sině || (o) sinich |- | zv. || sini || siňe || siňa || siní |} === Sklonjenje tvrdoosnovnyh primetnikov === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m. r. !! sr. r. !! ž. r. !! množinsko i dvojstveno čislo |- | im. || červony || červone || červona || červony |- | rod. || červonaho || červonaho || červone || červonych |- | dat. || červonomu || červonomu || červoné || červonym |- | vin. || červonáho / červony || červoné || červonú || červony |- | nar. || červonym || červonym || červonu || červonymi |- | měst. || (o) červonom || (o) červonom || (o) červone || (o) červonych |- | zv. || červony || červone || červona || červony |} === Stupnje sravnjenja === Primetniky imajut tri stupnje sravnjenja: položiteljny, sravniteljny i prěvozhodny. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Položiteljny !! Sravniteljny !! Prěvozhodny |- | sini || siněj || sinějšy |- | siňa || sinějša || sinějša |- | siňe || sinějše || sinějše |- | siní || sinějšy || sinějšy |- | červony || červonej || červonejšy |- | červona || červonejša || červonejša |- | červone || červonejše || červonejše |- | červony || červonejšy || červonejšy |} === Slovotvorjenje primětnikov === Něktore primetniky tvoret se s pomočju sufiksov: * {{-|'''-sk-''' — ''brat → bratski'', ''rus → russki''}}; * {{-|'''-n-''' — ''tvar → tvarny''}}; * {{-|'''-ň-''' — ''mať → maťni''}}; * {{-|'''-ov-''' — ''język → językovy''}}; * {{-|'''-ín-''' — ''sestra → sestríny''}}. '''Pričestja''' i '''poredkove čislniky''' sklonjajut se kako primetniky. == Glagoly == '''Glagoly''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|dějaslovy}}'') označajut dějstvo ili sostojanje prědmeta ili suščestva. On imaje bogatu fleksiju i jest jednoj iz osnovnyh čestij rěči v jezyku. === Infinitiv i vozvratna forma === '''Infinitiv''' jest izhodna forma glagola i vsegda imaje okončanje '''{{-|-ť}}'''. Vozvratna forma izražaje se česticu '''{{-|śę}}''', ktora stavi se prěd dějaslovom (kromě infinitiva). === Gramatične kategorije === Sistema glagola v venedčyně vključaje: * '''tri vrěmena''' — prošedše, nastoječe i buduče; * '''tri naklonjenja''' — izjaviteljno, uslovno i poveliteljno; * '''osnovne''' i '''neosnovne (prědstavkove) dějaslovy'''. === Nastoječe vrěme === Nastoječe vrěme imajut toliko osnovne glagoly. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Lice !! Pravilne glagoly !! Glagol „byť“ |- | ja || dělam || jsam |- | ty || dělaješ || jsi |- | on, ona, ono || dělaje || je |- | my || dělame || jsme |- | vy || dělate || jste |- | oni, oně, ony || dělają || jsą |} === Pričestja v nastoječem vrěmenu === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Tip pričestja !! Forma |- | aktivno || dělajuś- |- | pasivno || dělajem- |} U neosnovnyh glagolov formy nastoječego vrěmena ne sut. === Prošedše vrěme === Prošedše vrěme tvori se s pomočju l-pričestja i form glagola '''{{-|byť}}'''. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Lice !! Pravilne dějaslovy !! Dějaslov „byť“ |- | ja || dělal, -a, -o sam || byl, -a, -o |- | ty || dělal, -a, -o si || byl, -a, -o |- | on, ona, ono || dělal, -a, -o je || byl, -a, -o |- | my || dělali, -á, -ó sme || byli, -á, -ó |- | vy || dělali, -á, -ó ste || byli, -á, -ó |- | oni, oně, ony || dělali, -á, -ó są || byli, -á, -ó |} === Buduče vrěme === Buduče vrěme tvori se dvoma sposobami: * u '''osnovnyh glagolov — s pomočju budučih form dějaslova {{-|'''byť''' (''budu, budeš, bude, budeme, budete, budą'')}} i infinitiva; * u '''neosnovnyh glagolov — po formě nastoječego vrěmena. === Nepravilne glagoly v nastoječem vrěmenu === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Lice !! vědať !! ěsť !! imať !! chtěť |- | ja || věm || ěm || imam || chtěm |- | ty || věsi || ěsi || imašy || chtěsi |- | on, ona, ono || věde || ěde || imaje || chtěte |- | my || věme || ěme || imame || chtěme |- | vy || věte || ěte || imate || chtěté |- | oni, oně, ony || vědí || ědí || imą || chtědí |} === Imperativ i kondicional === * '''Imperativ''' tvori se po formuli: '''osnova + {{-|si}}'''. * '''Kondicional''' tvori se s pomočju čestice '''{{-|by}}'''. == Čislovniky == '''Čislovniky''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|čyslenniki}}''') označujut kolikost ili poredok prědmetov. Čislovniky imajut padežne formy i v několikyh slučajah soglasujut se s imenom po rodu i čislu. === {{-|Jeden}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m.r. !! ž.r. !! sr.r. !! m.r. mn.č. !! ž.r. mn.č. !! sr.r. mn.č. |- | im. || jeden || jedna || jedne || jedni || jedny || jedna |- | rod. || jednoho || jedné || jednoho || jedněch || jedněch || jedněch |- | dat. || jednomu || jedné || jednomu || jedněm || jedněm || jedněm |- | vin. || jednoho / jeden || jednu || jedno || jední || jedny || jedná |- | nar. || jednim || jedną || jednim || jedněmi || jedněmi || jedněmi |- | měst. || (o) jednom || (o) jedné || (o) jednom || (o) jedněch || (o) jedněch || (o) jedněch |} === {{-|Dva}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m.r. !! ž.r. !! sr.r. |- | im. || dva || dvě || dví |- | rod. || dvoch || dvoch || dvoch |- | dat. || dvěma || dvěma || dvěma |- | vin. || dva || dvě || dví |- | nar. || dvíma || dvíma || dvíma |- | měst. || (o) dvuch || (o) dvuch || (o) dvuch |} Čislovniki '''oba, obí i obě''' sklonjajut se analogično. === {{-|Tri}} i {{-|četri}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Forma |- | im. || tri |- | rod. || trí |- | dat. || trem |- | vin. || trí |- | nar. || třemi |- | měst. || (o) třech |} === Od {{-|pęť}} do {{-|devętdesąť}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Forma |- | im. || pęť |- | rod. || pęti |- | dat. || pęti |- | vin. || pęť |- | nar. || pęti |- | měst. || (o) pęti |} Slova '''{{-|sto}}''', '''{{-|tyśęča}}''' i daljše čisla sklonjajut se kako sučestviteljne imena. === Poredkove čislovniky === Poredkove čislovniky na pismě označajut se čislom s točkoju. Čislovniky '''{{-|jeden}}''', '''{{-|dva}}''' i '''{{-|tri}}''' imajut osobne poredkove formy: * {{-|'''peršy'''}} * {{-|'''drugi'''}} * {{-|'''třeti'''}} == Zaimenniky == '''Zaimenniky''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|městoimęncy}}''') sut čest rěči, ktora zaměnja imena, primetniky ili čislovniky i ukazyvajut na osoby, prědmety ili abstraktne pojetja bez imenovanja jih. === Lične zaimenniky === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! padež !! 1. jed. !! 2. jed. !! 3. jed. m. !! 3. jed. ž. !! 3. jed. sr. !! 1. mn. !! 2. mn. !! 3. mn. m. !! 3. mn. ž. !! 3. mn. sr. !! vozvr. |- | im. || ja || ty || on || ona || ono || my || vy || oni || oně || ony || — |- | rod. || me || te || go || ja || go || nas || vas || ich || ich || ich || se |- | dat. || mi || ti || mu || ji || mu || nam || vam || im || im || im || si |- | vin. || mé || té || go || ju || go || ny || vas || ich || ich || ich || se |- | nar. || mną || tbą || im || ej || im || nami || vami || ími || ími || íma || sbą |- | měst. || mí || tí || go || nej || go || nas || vas || nich || nich || nich || si |} === Voprosne zaimenniky === Od vsih zaimennikov tutoj grupy sklonjajut se '''{{-|kto}}''' i '''{{-|co}}'''. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! padež !! kto !! co |- | im. || kto || co |- | rod. || koho || čoho |- | dat. || komu || čomu |- | vin. || koho || co |- | nar. || kěm || čěm |- | měst. || (o) kom || (o) čom |} Od voprosnyh zaimennikov s pomočju afiksov {{-|'''-nib, -ś, de-, ně-, ní-'''}} obrazujut se neopreděljene i odricateljne formy. === Prisvojiteljne zaimenniky === ==== Prvo lice ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! !! m.r. !! sr.r. !! ž.r. !! mn.č. |- | im. || moj || moje || moja || mojí |- | rod. || môho || môj || mojich || mojich |- | dat. || mômu || môj || mojim || mojim |- | vin. || moj || moje || moju || mojich |- | nar. || môm || môj || mojími || mojími |- | měst. || (o) môm || (o) môj || (o) mojích || (o) mojích |} ==== Vtoro lice ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! !! m.r. !! sr.r. !! ž.r. !! mn.č. |- | im. || tvoj || tvoje || tvoja || tvojí |- | rod. || tvôho || tvôj || tvojich || tvojich |- | dat. || tvômu || tvôj || tvojim || tvojim |- | vin. || tvoj || tvoje || tvoju || tvojich |- | nar. || tvôm || tvôj || tvojími || tvojími |- | měst. || (o) tvôm || (o) tvôj || (o) tvojích || (o) tvojích |} ==== Tretje lice ==== Prisvojiteljne zaimenniky tretjego lica '''ne sklonjajut se''' i imajut formy: * {{-|'''go'''}} — dlja *{{-|on}}* i *{{-|ono}}* * {{-|'''eja'''}} — dlja *{{-|ona}}* * {{-|'''ich'''}} — dlja *{{-|oni}}*, *{{-|oně}}*, *{{-|ony}}* Vozvratne formy sklonjajut se po paradigme '''{{-|tvoj}}'''. === Ukazateljne zaimenniky === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! !! m.r. !! sr.r. !! ž.r. !! mn.č. |- | im. || to || tó || ta || te |- | rod. || toho || toho || té || těch |- | dat. || tomu || tomu || té || těm |- | vin. || to || tó || tu || te |- | nar. || tem || tem || tem || tem |- | měst. || (o) těch || (o) těch || (o) tě || (o) těch |} Zaimenniky '''{{-|vše}}''' i '''{{-|všechko}}''' imajut analogično sklonjenje. == Priklad == «[[Otče naš]]» na venedčyně v [[Latinica|latinici]]: <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"><blockquote> :Otče naš, co jsi na nebě, :Da śę svęte Imę Tvoje; :Da prijde Carstvo Tvoje; :Da bude vola Tvoja jako na nebě, tak na země; :Chlěb naš každodenny daj nam dnesj; :I daj nam prošteňe, kako i my prostame svojich vinovatych; :I nedovedi ny do izkušeňa i spasi ny od zlaho; :Jako Tvoje jest Carstvo i sila i slava na věci. :Amen! </blockquote></div> == Značenje == Venedčyna prědstavlja variant medžuslovjanskogo jezyka, ktory shranja arhaične slovjanske elementy i jasno odražaje sěveroslovjansku jezykovu tradiciju. Tuta norma črěz svoju ortografičnu konsekventnost i jasno strukturovanu gramatiku, stala važnym eksperimentalnym projektom v razvoju medžuslovjanskogo pisma. Ona pokazyvaje vozmožnost standardizacije medžuslovjanskogo jezyka na osnově regionalno orientovanoj normy bez narušenja jego medžunarodnogo haraktera. V kontekstu razvoja medžuslovjanskyh norm sěverna venedčyna ima značimost kako lingvistična laboratorija, v ktoroj sut testovane alternativne puti evolucije medžuslovjanskogo standarda, osoblivo v směru boljšej kompatibilnosti so sěveroslovjanskym jezykovym kontinuumom. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/interslavic/1772865522725245/ Slovnik venedskogo jezyka (1228 slov)] — [[Nikolaj Kuzněcov]] * [https://vk.com/public40701339 Stranica na portalu {{-|''vk.com''}}] * [http://lingvoforum.net/index.php?topic=61001.0 Stranica na portalu {{-|''lingvoforum.net''}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20170203161633/http://izviestija.info/razlicne/273-venedczyna2 Stranica na portalu {{-|''izviestija.info''}}] * [http://www.ais-sanmarino.org/arangxoj/it/it20150830/disko/kontribuoj/vbf.pdf Referat «Interslavjanske jezyky»] — [[Vĕra Barandovská-Frank]] na sajtu {{-|[[AIS]]}}, format {{-|PDF}}) == Gledite takože == * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Slovjanske jezyky]] * [[Ortografija]] {{Umětne jezyky}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Umětne slovjanske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Planove jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Medžuslovjansky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q20480718}} hs7nin4o3egmxs9vk9ff3utc0dbdag7 28903 28899 2026-07-16T14:55:49Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Buduče vrěme */ 28903 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Venedčyna''' (takože {{-|'''Wenedczyna''', '''Венедовы jезык''', '''Język Wenedski, Venedova mówa, Mówa Wenedska'''}}) jest [[Sěveroslovjanske jezyky|sěveroslovjanska]] literaturna norma [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|medžuslovjanskogo jezyka]], razvita v 2012 godu. Tuta norma prědstavlja jezyk sěvernyh (zapadnyh i voztočnyh) [[Slovjani|Slovjan]] i formuje tretju literaturnu normu medžuslovjanskogo jezyka — pored s [[Slovianski|slovjanskoju]] (vseslovjanskoju) i [[Novoslověnsky jezyk|novoslověnskoju]] (južnoslovjanskoju) normami. Venedčyna harakterizuje se jasno izraženym orientovanjem na sěverne slovjanske jezyky i postupnym odkazom od južnoslovjanskyh jezykovyh elementov. == Ideja i avtori == Ideja venedskoj normy byla formulovana Nikolajem (Aleksandrem) Vladimirovičom Kuzněcovom i Valdemarem Ryšardem Čurom. Avtori imali cělj sozdati normu medžuslovjanskogo jezyka, ktora by byla blizša sěvernym slovjanskym jezykam, osoblivo poljskomu, češskomu i voztočnoslovjanskym tradicijam, s ograničenym upotrěbjenjem južnoslovjanskyh form.<ref>{{Cite book | last1 = Кузнецов | first1 = Н. В. | last2 = Чур | first2 = В. Р. | title = Венедский язык: Этап становления междуславянского литературного диалога | location = Архангельск–Москва | publisher = самиздат | year = 2014}}</ref> == Město v medžuslovjanskom projektu == Do 2017 g. nad medžuslovjanskym jezykom rabotali tri osnovne projekty: '''[[Slovianski|Slovjanski]]''' (od 2006 goda), '''[[Novoslověnsky]]''' (od 2009 goda) i '''Venedčyna''' (od 2013 goda). Tute projekty razděljajut medžu soboju naturalističny pravopis, v mnogom obči slovnik, obču občinu, razne platformy v sěti i jedin obči cělj. Gramatična osnova i literaturna norma venedskogo jezyka opirajut se na normy poljskogo, russkogo, bělorusskogo, ukrajinskogo, češskogo, slovačskogo i lužičskih jezykov. Tuta kombinacija pozvoljaje shranjati sěveroslovjansky harakter normy pri vysokoj razuměmosti v ramkah slovjanskogo jezykovogo kontinuuma. == Cělje == Glavnym cěljem venedskogo jezyka jest sozdanje razvitoj gramatičnoj i sěveroslovjanskoj literaturnoj normy v ramkah medžuslovjanskogo jezyka. Daljšim cěljem jest razvivanje slovjanskoj komunikacije takym obrazom, že s pomočju venedčyny možno občati bez upotrěbjenja oddělnyh nacionalnyh slovjanskyh jezykov. == Ortografija i azbuka == Sěverna venedčyna koristi latiničnu azbuku s diakritičnymi znakami, orientovanu na naturalističny i etimologičny pravopis. Ortografičny sistem jest prisposobjen sěveroslovjanskoj fonologiji i dozvoljaje točno odražati fonetične i morfologične razliky medžu slovami. Ortografija venedčyny vklučaje slědne važne osoblivosti: * različenje kratkyh i dolgyh vokalov, * upotrěbjenje nosovyh vokalov, * označenje mekkosti soglasnyh, * palatalizaciju soglasnyh, * upotrěbjenje posebnoj bukvy {{-|ř}} za označenje mekkogo vibranta ''r''. Palatalizacija soglasnyh igra važnu rolju v fleksiji i slovotvorjenju, osoblivo prěd vokalami ''{{-|i, í, ě, e, é}}''. Mekke soglasne obyčno nastavajut v poziciji prěd etimologično palatalizujučimi vokalami i ne vsegda pišut se s osobnymi diakritičnymi znakami. === Alfabet=== Latinična azbuka venedčyny sostoji iz slědnyh bukv: {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" style="text-align:center;" ! Bukva !! Zvuk !! Bukva !! Zvuk !! Bukva !! Zvuk |- | A a || a || G g || tvrdo g || Ř ř || mekko r |- | Ą ą || ǫ (Ѫ) || H h || ɦ || S s || s |- | Á á || dolgo a || I i || i || Š š || š |- | B b || b || Í í || dolgo i || Ś ś || mekko s |- | C c || c || J j || j || T t || t |- | Č č || č || K k || k || Ť ť || mekko t |- | Ć ć || mekko č || Ł ł || l || U u || u |- | Ch ch || h / x || Ľ ľ || mekko l || Ŭ ŭ || kratko u |- | D d || d || M m || m || Ú ú || dolgo u |- | Ď ď || mekko d || N n || n || V v || v |- | E e || e || Ň ň || mekko n || Y y || y |- | Ę ę || ę (Ѧ) || O o || o || Z z || z |- | Ě ě || ě (Ѣ) || Ó ó || dolgo o || Ž ž || ž |- | É é || dolgo e || P p || p || Ź ź || mekko z |- | F f || f || R r || r || || |} Mekke soglasne prěd ''{{-|ě, i, í}}'' fonetično realizujut se kak palatalizovane, no ne vsegda obvezno označajut se osobnymi diakritičnymi znakami v pismu, zavisno od etimologije slova. == Imenna sistema == '''Imennik''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|sųšt́ęstvnik}}''') služi dlja označenja prědmeta, sučnosti, osoby ili abstraktnogo pojetja. Imena imajut gramatičny rod, čislo i padež, čto dozvoljaje vyražati sintaktične odnošenja v prědloženju. === Rod === V venedčyně sut tri gramatične rody: * '''mužsky rod''' — napr.: ''{{-|svět, broj, cev, język, háček}}''; * '''žensky rod''' — napr.: ''{{-|boľ, cěľ, kamílica, soba, uváha}}''; * '''srědny rod''' — napr.: ''{{-|serco, sonce, sklo, gŕlo, męso}}''. === Čislo === Imena imajut tri čisla: * '''jedinstveno čislo''' — osnovna forma imena; * '''množinsko čislo''' — označaje množstvo prědmetov ili osob; * '''dvojstveno čislo''' — upotrěbja se pri označenju dvoh prědmetov ili osob. V dvojstvenom čislu se upotrěbja okončanje '''{{-|-íma}}'''. === Padeže === V venedčyně jest '''sedm padežev''': {| class="wikitable" ! Padež !! Funkcija |- | '''Imeniteljny''' || podležeče i imenno skazujuče |- | '''Roditeljny''' || prinaležnost, upotrěba s čislami, po něktoryh glagolah |- | '''Dateljno-prědložny''' || soodvěstvuje dateljnomu i prědložnomu padežu |- | '''Viniteljny''' || dopolnjenje, takože odgovor na vopros ''kuda?'' |- | '''Narěčny''' || odgovarja na voprosy ''kako?'', ''čem?'' |- | '''Městny''' || odgovara na vopros ''kde?'' |- | '''Zvateljny''' || forma obračenja |} === Sklonjenja === V venedčyně sut tri sklonjenja, soodvěstvujuče gramatičnomu rodu imeni. ==== Mužsky rod ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Jedinstveno čislo !! Množinsko čislo |- | im. || język / broj || języci / broji |- | rod. || języka / broja || językov / brojev |- | dat. || języku / broju || językóm / brojém |- | vin. || język / brój || języcí / brojí |- | nar. || językom / brojem || języámi / brojámi |- | měst. || (o) języcě / (o) brojě || (o) języcěch / (o) brojěch |- | zv. || języče / brojú || językóve / brojévo |} ==== Žensky rod ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Jedinstveno čislo !! Množinsko čislo |- | im. || soba / mať || soby / mati |- | rod. || soby / mati || sob / maťej |- | dat. || sobě / matí || sobam / maťem |- | vin. || sobu / máť || soby / mátí |- | nar. || soboj / maťej || sobámi / maťámi |- | měst. || (o) sobí / (o) mati || (o) soběch / (o) matěch |- | zv. || sobo / maťe || sobi / mati |} ==== Srědny rod ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Jedinstveno čislo !! Množinsko čislo |- | im. || serco / gŕlo || sercá / gŕlá |- | rod. || serca / gŕla || serc / gŕl |- | dat. || sercu / gŕlu || sercém / gŕlóm |- | vin. || sercó / gŕló || sércá / gŕlá |- | nar. || sercem / gŕlom || sercámi / gŕlámi |- | měst. || (o) sercě / (o) gŕlě || (o) sercěch / (o) gŕlěch |- | zv. || serče / gŕli || sercí / gŕle |} === Dvojstveno čislo === Osobitostju normy jest shranjenje dvojstvennogo čisla, ktoro ima osobne fleksijne formy dlja vsih rodov. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Rod !! Forma |- | mužsky || języcíma |- | srědny || sercíma |- | žensky || sobíma |} === Palatalizacija === V venedčyně jest razvita palatalizacija soglasnyh: * {{-|''k → c'', ''g, h → z'', ''ch → s''}} prěd {{-|''i, í, ě, e, é, ja''}} v fleksijah; * {{-|''k → č'', ''g, h → ž'', ''ch → š''}} v zvateljnom padežu i pri slovotvorjenju. Priměry: * {{-|''člověk – člověci – člověčski''}}; * {{-|''Čech – Česi – Češka''}}; * {{-|''Praha – v Prazě – pražski''}}. == Primetniky == '''Primetnik''' v venedčyně služi dlja označenja priznaka imena i soglasuje se s njim v rodu, čislu i padežu i razděljajut se na: * mekkoosnovne, * tvrdoosnovne. Primetniky imajut stupnje sravnjenja i sklonjajut se po ustaljenym paradigmam. Norma shranja sistem stupnjev sravnjenja: pozitivny, sravniteljny i prěvysši. === Razděljenje primetnikov === Primetniky razděljajut se na: * '''mekkoosnovne''' — osnovy zakončajut se na {{-|''-k, -g, -h, -ch''}}, mekke soglasne, {{-|''-j'', ''-c''}}; * '''tvrdoosnovne''' — vse ostale osnovy. V imeniteljnom padežu mužskogo roda jedinstvenogo čisla: * mekkoosnovne imajut okončanje {{-|'''-i'''}}; * tverdoosnovne imajut okončanje {{-|'''-y'''}}. === Sklonjenje mekkoosnovnyh primetnikov === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m. r. !! sr. r. !! ž. r. !! množinsko i dvojstveno čislo |- | im. || sini || siňe || siňa || siní |- | rod. || siňeho || siňeho || siňe || sinich |- | dat. || siňemu || siňemu || siňé || siním |- | vin. || siňého / sini || siňé || siňú || siní |- | nar. || sinim || sinim || siňu || siními |- | měst. || (o) siňem || (o) siňem || (o) sině || (o) sinich |- | zv. || sini || siňe || siňa || siní |} === Sklonjenje tvrdoosnovnyh primetnikov === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m. r. !! sr. r. !! ž. r. !! množinsko i dvojstveno čislo |- | im. || červony || červone || červona || červony |- | rod. || červonaho || červonaho || červone || červonych |- | dat. || červonomu || červonomu || červoné || červonym |- | vin. || červonáho / červony || červoné || červonú || červony |- | nar. || červonym || červonym || červonu || červonymi |- | měst. || (o) červonom || (o) červonom || (o) červone || (o) červonych |- | zv. || červony || červone || červona || červony |} === Stupnje sravnjenja === Primetniky imajut tri stupnje sravnjenja: položiteljny, sravniteljny i prěvozhodny. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Položiteljny !! Sravniteljny !! Prěvozhodny |- | sini || siněj || sinějšy |- | siňa || sinějša || sinějša |- | siňe || sinějše || sinějše |- | siní || sinějšy || sinějšy |- | červony || červonej || červonejšy |- | červona || červonejša || červonejša |- | červone || červonejše || červonejše |- | červony || červonejšy || červonejšy |} === Slovotvorjenje primětnikov === Něktore primetniky tvoret se s pomočju sufiksov: * {{-|'''-sk-''' — ''brat → bratski'', ''rus → russki''}}; * {{-|'''-n-''' — ''tvar → tvarny''}}; * {{-|'''-ň-''' — ''mať → maťni''}}; * {{-|'''-ov-''' — ''język → językovy''}}; * {{-|'''-ín-''' — ''sestra → sestríny''}}. '''Pričestja''' i '''poredkove čislniky''' sklonjajut se kako primetniky. == Glagoly == '''Glagoly''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|dějaslovy}}'') označajut dějstvo ili sostojanje prědmeta ili suščestva. On imaje bogatu fleksiju i jest jednoj iz osnovnyh čestij rěči v jezyku. === Infinitiv i vozvratna forma === '''Infinitiv''' jest izhodna forma glagola i vsegda imaje okončanje '''{{-|-ť}}'''. Vozvratna forma izražaje se česticu '''{{-|śę}}''', ktora stavi se prěd dějaslovom (kromě infinitiva). === Gramatične kategorije === Sistema glagola v venedčyně vključaje: * '''tri vrěmena''' — prošedše, nastoječe i buduče; * '''tri naklonjenja''' — izjaviteljno, uslovno i poveliteljno; * '''osnovne''' i '''neosnovne (prědstavkove) dějaslovy'''. === Nastoječe vrěme === Nastoječe vrěme imajut toliko osnovne glagoly. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Lice !! Pravilne glagoly !! Glagol „byť“ |- | ja || dělam || jsam |- | ty || dělaješ || jsi |- | on, ona, ono || dělaje || je |- | my || dělame || jsme |- | vy || dělate || jste |- | oni, oně, ony || dělają || jsą |} === Pričestja v nastoječem vrěmenu === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Tip pričestja !! Forma |- | aktivno || dělajuś- |- | pasivno || dělajem- |} U neosnovnyh glagolov formy nastoječego vrěmena ne sut. === Prošedše vrěme === Prošedše vrěme tvori se s pomočju l-pričestja i form glagola '''{{-|byť}}'''. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Lice !! Pravilne dějaslovy !! Dějaslov „byť“ |- | ja || dělal, -a, -o sam || byl, -a, -o |- | ty || dělal, -a, -o si || byl, -a, -o |- | on, ona, ono || dělal, -a, -o je || byl, -a, -o |- | my || dělali, -á, -ó sme || byli, -á, -ó |- | vy || dělali, -á, -ó ste || byli, -á, -ó |- | oni, oně, ony || dělali, -á, -ó są || byli, -á, -ó |} === Buduče vrěme === Buduče vrěme tvori se dvoma sposobami: * u '''osnovnyh glagolov''' — s pomočju budučih form dějaslova {{-|'''byť'''}} ({{-|''budu, budeš, bude, budeme, budete, budą}}'') i infinitiva; * u '''neosnovnyh glagolov''' — po formě nastoječego vrěmena. === Nepravilne glagoly v nastoječem vrěmenu === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Lice !! vědať !! ěsť !! imať !! chtěť |- | ja || věm || ěm || imam || chtěm |- | ty || věsi || ěsi || imašy || chtěsi |- | on, ona, ono || věde || ěde || imaje || chtěte |- | my || věme || ěme || imame || chtěme |- | vy || věte || ěte || imate || chtěté |- | oni, oně, ony || vědí || ědí || imą || chtědí |} === Imperativ i kondicional === * '''Imperativ''' tvori se po formuli: '''osnova + {{-|si}}'''. * '''Kondicional''' tvori se s pomočju čestice '''{{-|by}}'''. == Čislovniky == '''Čislovniky''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|čyslenniki}}''') označujut kolikost ili poredok prědmetov. Čislovniky imajut padežne formy i v několikyh slučajah soglasujut se s imenom po rodu i čislu. === {{-|Jeden}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m.r. !! ž.r. !! sr.r. !! m.r. mn.č. !! ž.r. mn.č. !! sr.r. mn.č. |- | im. || jeden || jedna || jedne || jedni || jedny || jedna |- | rod. || jednoho || jedné || jednoho || jedněch || jedněch || jedněch |- | dat. || jednomu || jedné || jednomu || jedněm || jedněm || jedněm |- | vin. || jednoho / jeden || jednu || jedno || jední || jedny || jedná |- | nar. || jednim || jedną || jednim || jedněmi || jedněmi || jedněmi |- | měst. || (o) jednom || (o) jedné || (o) jednom || (o) jedněch || (o) jedněch || (o) jedněch |} === {{-|Dva}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! m.r. !! ž.r. !! sr.r. |- | im. || dva || dvě || dví |- | rod. || dvoch || dvoch || dvoch |- | dat. || dvěma || dvěma || dvěma |- | vin. || dva || dvě || dví |- | nar. || dvíma || dvíma || dvíma |- | měst. || (o) dvuch || (o) dvuch || (o) dvuch |} Čislovniki '''oba, obí i obě''' sklonjajut se analogično. === {{-|Tri}} i {{-|četri}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Forma |- | im. || tri |- | rod. || trí |- | dat. || trem |- | vin. || trí |- | nar. || třemi |- | měst. || (o) třech |} === Od {{-|pęť}} do {{-|devętdesąť}} === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! Padež !! Forma |- | im. || pęť |- | rod. || pęti |- | dat. || pęti |- | vin. || pęť |- | nar. || pęti |- | měst. || (o) pęti |} Slova '''{{-|sto}}''', '''{{-|tyśęča}}''' i daljše čisla sklonjajut se kako sučestviteljne imena. === Poredkove čislovniky === Poredkove čislovniky na pismě označajut se čislom s točkoju. Čislovniky '''{{-|jeden}}''', '''{{-|dva}}''' i '''{{-|tri}}''' imajut osobne poredkove formy: * {{-|'''peršy'''}} * {{-|'''drugi'''}} * {{-|'''třeti'''}} == Zaimenniky == '''Zaimenniky''' (v venedčyně: '''{{-|městoimęncy}}''') sut čest rěči, ktora zaměnja imena, primetniky ili čislovniky i ukazyvajut na osoby, prědmety ili abstraktne pojetja bez imenovanja jih. === Lične zaimenniky === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! padež !! 1. jed. !! 2. jed. !! 3. jed. m. !! 3. jed. ž. !! 3. jed. sr. !! 1. mn. !! 2. mn. !! 3. mn. m. !! 3. mn. ž. !! 3. mn. sr. !! vozvr. |- | im. || ja || ty || on || ona || ono || my || vy || oni || oně || ony || — |- | rod. || me || te || go || ja || go || nas || vas || ich || ich || ich || se |- | dat. || mi || ti || mu || ji || mu || nam || vam || im || im || im || si |- | vin. || mé || té || go || ju || go || ny || vas || ich || ich || ich || se |- | nar. || mną || tbą || im || ej || im || nami || vami || ími || ími || íma || sbą |- | měst. || mí || tí || go || nej || go || nas || vas || nich || nich || nich || si |} === Voprosne zaimenniky === Od vsih zaimennikov tutoj grupy sklonjajut se '''{{-|kto}}''' i '''{{-|co}}'''. {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! padež !! kto !! co |- | im. || kto || co |- | rod. || koho || čoho |- | dat. || komu || čomu |- | vin. || koho || co |- | nar. || kěm || čěm |- | měst. || (o) kom || (o) čom |} Od voprosnyh zaimennikov s pomočju afiksov {{-|'''-nib, -ś, de-, ně-, ní-'''}} obrazujut se neopreděljene i odricateljne formy. === Prisvojiteljne zaimenniky === ==== Prvo lice ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! !! m.r. !! sr.r. !! ž.r. !! mn.č. |- | im. || moj || moje || moja || mojí |- | rod. || môho || môj || mojich || mojich |- | dat. || mômu || môj || mojim || mojim |- | vin. || moj || moje || moju || mojich |- | nar. || môm || môj || mojími || mojími |- | měst. || (o) môm || (o) môj || (o) mojích || (o) mojích |} ==== Vtoro lice ==== {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! !! m.r. !! sr.r. !! ž.r. !! mn.č. |- | im. || tvoj || tvoje || tvoja || tvojí |- | rod. || tvôho || tvôj || tvojich || tvojich |- | dat. || tvômu || tvôj || tvojim || tvojim |- | vin. || tvoj || tvoje || tvoju || tvojich |- | nar. || tvôm || tvôj || tvojími || tvojími |- | měst. || (o) tvôm || (o) tvôj || (o) tvojích || (o) tvojích |} ==== Tretje lice ==== Prisvojiteljne zaimenniky tretjego lica '''ne sklonjajut se''' i imajut formy: * {{-|'''go'''}} — dlja *{{-|on}}* i *{{-|ono}}* * {{-|'''eja'''}} — dlja *{{-|ona}}* * {{-|'''ich'''}} — dlja *{{-|oni}}*, *{{-|oně}}*, *{{-|ony}}* Vozvratne formy sklonjajut se po paradigme '''{{-|tvoj}}'''. === Ukazateljne zaimenniky === {| class="wikitable ext-gadget-alphabet-disable" ! !! m.r. !! sr.r. !! ž.r. !! mn.č. |- | im. || to || tó || ta || te |- | rod. || toho || toho || té || těch |- | dat. || tomu || tomu || té || těm |- | vin. || to || tó || tu || te |- | nar. || tem || tem || tem || tem |- | měst. || (o) těch || (o) těch || (o) tě || (o) těch |} Zaimenniky '''{{-|vše}}''' i '''{{-|všechko}}''' imajut analogično sklonjenje. == Priklad == «[[Otče naš]]» na venedčyně v [[Latinica|latinici]]: <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"><blockquote> :Otče naš, co jsi na nebě, :Da śę svęte Imę Tvoje; :Da prijde Carstvo Tvoje; :Da bude vola Tvoja jako na nebě, tak na země; :Chlěb naš každodenny daj nam dnesj; :I daj nam prošteňe, kako i my prostame svojich vinovatych; :I nedovedi ny do izkušeňa i spasi ny od zlaho; :Jako Tvoje jest Carstvo i sila i slava na věci. :Amen! </blockquote></div> == Značenje == Venedčyna prědstavlja variant medžuslovjanskogo jezyka, ktory shranja arhaične slovjanske elementy i jasno odražaje sěveroslovjansku jezykovu tradiciju. Tuta norma črěz svoju ortografičnu konsekventnost i jasno strukturovanu gramatiku, stala važnym eksperimentalnym projektom v razvoju medžuslovjanskogo pisma. Ona pokazyvaje vozmožnost standardizacije medžuslovjanskogo jezyka na osnově regionalno orientovanoj normy bez narušenja jego medžunarodnogo haraktera. V kontekstu razvoja medžuslovjanskyh norm sěverna venedčyna ima značimost kako lingvistična laboratorija, v ktoroj sut testovane alternativne puti evolucije medžuslovjanskogo standarda, osoblivo v směru boljšej kompatibilnosti so sěveroslovjanskym jezykovym kontinuumom. == Iztočniky == <references /> == Vněšnje linky == * [https://www.facebook.com/groups/interslavic/1772865522725245/ Slovnik venedskogo jezyka (1228 slov)] — [[Nikolaj Kuzněcov]] * [https://vk.com/public40701339 Stranica na portalu {{-|''vk.com''}}] * [http://lingvoforum.net/index.php?topic=61001.0 Stranica na portalu {{-|''lingvoforum.net''}}] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20170203161633/http://izviestija.info/razlicne/273-venedczyna2 Stranica na portalu {{-|''izviestija.info''}}] * [http://www.ais-sanmarino.org/arangxoj/it/it20150830/disko/kontribuoj/vbf.pdf Referat «Interslavjanske jezyky»] — [[Vĕra Barandovská-Frank]] na sajtu {{-|[[AIS]]}}, format {{-|PDF}}) == Gledite takože == * [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk]] * [[Slovjanske jezyky]] * [[Ortografija]] {{Umětne jezyky}} {{Slovjanske jezyky}} [[Kategorija:Umětne slovjanske jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Planove jezyky]] [[Kategorija:Medžuslovjansky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q20480718}} 2f1xhvxftvp1s0vay0kv1zv1v5nsyzv 0 1973 28907 28680 2026-07-16T17:07:10Z IJzeren Jan 9 28907 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific_prefix = | name = Voljfgang Amadeus Mocart | honorific_suffix = | image =[[Fajl:Wolfgang-amadeus-mozart 1.jpg|center|300px|thumb|Posmrtny portret Mocarta, namaljevany v roku 1819]] | image_size = | alt = | caption = Mocart | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|de|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart}}</center> | native_name_lang = Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart | pronunciation = <!--add pronunciation in IPA with template {{IPA-xx|...|lang}}, and replace 'xx' with the ISO639-1 code for the language. If pronunciation is in English and this will be obvious, {{IPA-en|...|}} should be used.--> | birth_name = {{-|Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1756|01|27|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Zalcburg]] | death_date = {{Death date and age|1791|12|05|1756|01|27|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Viena]], [[Avstrija]] | death_cause = neista | body_discovered = | resting_place = Viena | resting_place_coordinates = | monuments = | residence = | other_names = | citizenship = | education = | alma_mater = | occupation = kompozitor, instrumentalist, učitelj [[Muzika|muziky]] | years_active = 1761 – 1791 | employer = | organization = | agent = | known_for = | works = ''[[Svatba Figaro]]''<br /><span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]''<br />''[[Cosi fan tutte]]''</span><br />''[[Čarovna flejta]]''<br />[[Simfonija No. 41 "Jupiter" (Mocart)|Simfonija v do-mažoru ("Jupiter")]]<br />[[Fortepianny koncert No. 20 (Mocart)|Fortepianny koncert v re-minoru]]<br />[[Klarnetny koncert (Mocart)|Klarnetny koncert v la-mažoru]]<br />Serenada dlja 13 dyhovyh instrumentov<br /><span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">[[Requiem (Mozart)|Requiem]]</span> | notable_works = | style = klasična muzika | home_town = | salary = | net_worth = | height = <!-- {{height|m=}} --> | weight = <!-- {{convert|weight in kg|kg|lb}} --> | television = | title = | term = | predecessor = | successor = | party = | movement = | opponents = | boards = | criminal_charge = <!-- Criminality parameters should be supported with citations from reliable sources --> | criminal_penalty = | criminal_status = | spouse = Konstanc Mocart | partner = | children = 6 dětij; 4 syna i 2 dočery | parents = [[Leopold Mocart]] i Anna Marija Mocart | relatives = [[Marija Anna Mocart]] (sestra) | callsign = | awards = | website = <!-- {{URL|www.example.com}} --> | module = | module2 = | module3 = | module4 = | module5 = | module6 = | signature = [[Fajl:Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart Signature.svg|200px]] | signature_size = | signature_alt = | footnotes = | box_width = }} '''Voljfgang Amadeus Mocart''' ({{Jezyky|de|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart}}, 27. januara 1756 – 5. dekembra 1791) byl [[kompozitor]], instrumentalist i učitelj muziky. Jego polno [[krestno ime]] bylo ''{{-|Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart}}''. On jest rodil se v [[Zalcburg, Avstrija|Zalcburgu]] (vtogda svobodnom arhiepiskopskom gradu [[Sveta Rimska Imperija|Svetoj Rimskoj Imperije]], tutdenj [[Avstrija]]). On byl najmladšim synom Leopolda i Anny Marije Mocartov. Od velmi rannjego věka mlady Mocart jest pokazal veličajši muzičny talent. On jest putoval [[Evropa|Evropoju]] s roditeljami i staršeju sestroju "Nannerl" podčas několik lět. V tutyh putovanjah on jest igral prěd kraljevskimy rodinami i aristokratičnoju elitoju. Buduči junakom, Mocart jest rabotal v Parižu, Manhajmu i Mjunhenu, potom vozvratil se do Zalcburga. V Zalcburgu on jest rabotal pri dvoru arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo, on byl neposědlivy, priznaval sebe genijem, i mněval Zalcburg mnogo malym za jego dar. On jest se prěselil do [[Viena|Vieny]], gde byl dost uspěšnym. V Vieně on jest se ženil s [[Konstanc Weber|Konstancoju Weber]] ({{Jezyky|de|Constanze Weber}}) i oni iměli dvoh synov. On jest umrl v Vieně od bystroj ale neznanoj hvoroby. Mocart jest avtorom vyše než 800 muzikalnyh tvorb v najvysšej muzičnoj kakosti. Jego tvorby vključajut [[Opera|opery]] [[Svatba Figaro (Mocart)|''Svatba Figaro'']],<span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> ''[[Don Giovanni]]'', ''[[Cosi fan tutte|Così fan tutte]]''</span> i [[Čarovna flejta (Mozart)|Čarovna flejta]]; simfonije v mi-bemol mažoru, sol-minoru i [[Simfonija No. 41 "Jupiter" (Mocart)|do-mažoru]] ("Jupiter"). On jest napisal koncerty dlja [[Fortepiano|fortepiana]], [[Guslje|guslj]] i različnyh [[Dyhove instrumenty|dyhovyh instrumentov]]. On jest takože napisal mnogo kamernyh pies, crkovnoj muziky, tancev, pěsnej i <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Requiem (Mocart)|Requiem]]''</span>. Zajedno s [[Johan Sebastjan Bah|Bahom]] i [[Ljutvig van Bethoven|Bethovenom]], Mocarta razgledajut kako jednogo iz najveličajših kompozitorov, ktore sut někogda žili. ==Žitje== ===Rodina i rannje lěta=== Wolfgang Amadeus Mocart ("Wolfi" ili Wolferl") rodil se v Zalcburgu u Leopolda i Anny Marije Mocartov. Leopold byl skripačom v orkestru arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo. On byl avtorom veliko popularnogo priručnika igranja na gusljah za početkujučih. Mlady Mocart iměl veliky muzičny dar od velmi malogo věka. On jest igral na klavesinu i gusljah vo věku 5 lět. On takože pisal male muzične piesy. Mocartova sestra Marija Anna ("Nannerl") byla talentovanoju děvčinkoju. Obědvě děti sut dostali sebe muzično i akademično obrazovanje od svojego otca. Rodina koncertovala po Evropě několiko lět, oni sut igrali dlja šljahty i aristokratov. [[Fajl:Louis Carrogis dit Carmontelle - Portrait de Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Salzbourg, 1756-Vienne, 1791) jouant à Paris avec son père Jean... - Google Art Project.jpg|left|thumb|Leopold, Wolfgang i Nannerl, okolo 1763 goda]] Mocart jest vystupoval v [[Mjunhen]]u, [[Praga|Pragě]], [[Pariž]]u, [[Haga|Hagě]] i [[London]]u. V Londonu on jest igral dlja [[Kralj Georg III (Velika Britanija)|kralja Georga {{-|III}}]]. On jest strěčal se s kompozitorom [[Johan Kristijan Bah|Johanom Kristijanom Bahom]] (1735–1782), jednim iz synov [[Johan Sebastjan Bah|Johana Sebastjana Baha]]. On jest siděl na koleně Johana Kristijana Baha i improvizoval fugu. I tut, vo věku 8 lět, on jest uslyšal izpolnjenje svojih prvyh dvoh simfonij. V koncu, Mocarty vozvratili se v Zalcburg. Ale v 1768, oni iznova se povezli v Vienu. Vo Vieně, vtogda uže dvanadcatilěty Mocart jest postavil na scenu svoju prvu operu, {{Lang|de|Bastien und Bastienne}}. On jest zabolěl i iměl [[Ospa|ospu]], izcělil se ale do konca života iměl slědy ospy na lice. Potom on privezl se do [[Italija|Italije]]. V Italiji on jest slušal muziku mnogyh [[Italijani|italijanskyh]] kompozitorov. Mocart jest uslyšal pjesu s nazvanjem ''Miserere'' avtora [[Gregorio Allegri]]. Tuta pjesa byla napisana dlja [[Papa|Papy]] i pěvala se [[hor]]om [[Vatikan]]a. Nikomu ne bylo dozvoljeno viděti zapisanu muziku, da by nikto ne mogl kopirovati i pěvati ju. Jednakože Mocart, ktory slyšal pjesu jedin raz, jest zapisal ju iz pameti. On se strěčal s [[Papa|Papoju]] i jemu bylo darovano [[rycarstvo]] (Orden Zlatoj Ostrogy). V lětu 1777, on jest jehal do putovanja so svojeju materi. V [[Mannhajm|Manhajmu]] on jest zaljubil se v Aloiziju Weber. Ona iměla 16 lět i učila se [[Pěvanje|pěvati]]. Mocart jest htěl ju vzeti do Italije, da by se stala znamenitoju, ale jego otec izměnil tute plany. Lětom 1778 Mocart i jego mati byli v [[Pariž]]u, kde jego mati jest umrla. Mocart jest napisal několiko malyh oper, kogda byl mlady, ale jego prvoju napravdu važnoju operoju byla ''[[Idomeneo]]''. Ju najprvo sut pokazali v Mjunhenu v lětu 1780. Jedin rok po tom on se privezl do Vieny. Na toj moment on byl rabotal kako i jego otec na Arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo. Kogda on jest prišedl do Zalcburga, on jest argumentoval s Arhiepiskopom. Za tuto Arhiepiskop jest jego izkydnul iz raboty. Mocart jest odvezl se do Vieny, kde on jest provědl ostatok svojego žitja. V lětu 1782, on se ženil s [[Konstanc Weber]] Ona byla jednou iz mladših sestr Aloizije (ktora uže iměla inogo muža). Oni iměli sedm dětij , ale pet iz njih sut umrli v dětinstvu. Otec Mocarta ne jest odobrjil jihno supružstvo. Konstanc jest byla ljubečeju ženoju, ale zato, že kako i Mocart, ona ne byla dobra v dbanju o grošah, oni često žili velmi bědno. V jednakom lětu, 1782, Mocart jest napisl drugu velmi uspěšnu operu: <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]]'' </span> ("Pohyčenje iy seralja"). Jestvuje znaměnita povědka, svezana s prvoju ukazkoju tutoj opery. Ona jest o tom, že byl kratky razgovor medžu imperatorom Jozefom II i Mocartom. Po tom, ako imperator jest uviděl operu, on jest skazal Mocartu: "Tak prěmnogo not, dragy Mocarte, tak prěmnogo not", na čto Mocart jest odpoveděl “Samo toliko, koliko jest potrěbno, Vaše Veličenstvo.” [[Fajl:Mozart (unfinished) by Lange 1782.jpg|thumb|right|Nezakončeny portret Mocarta, 1782]] Mocart načal mnogo koncertov, kde on jest igral svoji fortepianove [[Koncert (muzična piesa)|koncerty]]. On jest pisal tute koncerty sam i dirigoval jih od klaviatury. Fortepianove koncerty Mocarta sut, kako prědže, velmi popularny i dnes. On jest napisal 27 fortepianovyh koncertov. Vsaky koncerty imaje nomer, da by znati, ktory jest ktory. Najvyše sut popularne koncerty c nomerami 20, 21, 23, 24 i 27. Mnoge iz tutyh koncertov sut jesdnimi iz najlěpših tvorb Mocarta. On jest se spoznal s kompozitorom Jozefom Hajdnom <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">([[Joseph Haydn]])</span>, i dva muža stali sut velikimi prijateljami. Oni često igrali sut zajedno v [[Strunny kvartet|strunnom kvartetu]]. Hajdn jest skazal jednogo dně Leopoldu Mocartu: "Prěd Bogom i kako čestny člověk ja govorim vam, že vaš syn jest veličajšim kompozitorom, ktorogo ja znaju lično ili po imeni. On imaje vkus, i čto vyše, gluboko znanje kompozicije." Mocart byl v jednakoj [[Masonska loža|Masonskoj lože]] s Hajdnom. Tuto označalo takože, že obadva byli v grupě s blizkymi interesami. Mocart jest [[Posvečenje|posvetil]] šest strunnyh kvartetov Hajdnu. Oni se nazyvajeut "Hajdnovymi" kvartetami. Sut dva znamenityh "Hajdnovyh" kvarteta, jedin iz njih se nazyvaje "Lov" i drugy se nazyvaje "Disonans." V svojih pozdejših lětah Mocart jest zarabotyval menje grošov, než prědže. [[Aristokrat]]y ne mogli jego poddrživati grošami, zato že togda byla vojna. Slušateli v Vieně takože za několik lět uže ne davali Mocartu mnogo poddržky. Zato on jest Často jezdil do [[Praga|Pragy]], kde auditorija jego ljubila. Jego opera ''[[Svatba Figaro]]'' byla velmi popularnoj. V 1787, on vprvo ukazal svoju operu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]''.</span> === Hvoroba i smrt === Jestvuje několiko povědok o poslědnoj hvorobě i smrti Mocarta, i ne jest istota, čto se stalo. On jest rabotal nad operoju ''[[Čarovna flejta]]''. Ta jest jednoju iz jego najlěpših tvorb i dnes velmi popularnoju operoju. Ona jest napisana na [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom jezyku]], a ne na [[Italijansky jezyk|italijanskom]], kako věčšina jego drugyh oper. V někotorom smyslu, ona jest podobna anglijskoj [[Pantomima|pantomimě]]. V toj čas, ako on na njej rabotal, neznakomec jest jego poprosil napisati [[rekviem]]. Neznakomec prosil jego pisati tajno. Mocartu bylo takože trěba napisati italijansku operu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[La Clemenza di Tito]]''</span>. Opera byla prvo ukazana v Pragě v septembru 1791 goda. Na konce měseca byla premjera ''Čarovnoj flejty''. Mocart za tym velmi natrudil se pri ''Rekviemu''. On uže možlivo postigl, že jest težko boljny, i takym sposobom rekvijem ([[zaupokojna služba]] za umrših) byl po nem samom. On jest umrl v [[Viena|Vieně]], ne zakončivši jego. Konstanc poprosila inogo kompozitora, ktory se imenoval [[Franc Havjer Sjusmajr]] ({{Lang|de|Franz Xaver Süssmayr}}), zakončiti rabotu. Mocart byl pogrbeny na grobišču Sv. Marksa v Vieně. Mocart iměl velmi prosty pogreb, ačekoli on byl velmi popularnym člověkom. Ne jest isto znajemo, na čto toj umrl, ale to byla někaka hvoroba. === Muzika Mocarta === Muzika Mocarta, kako i [[Hajdn]]a, odnose se k lěpšim iztvorjenjam tako nazyvajemoj [[Klasična muzika|klasičnoj muziky]]. V tutoj čas ako Mocart jest načal skladati muziku, blizil se ko koncu period [[Baročna muzika|Baroka]]. Izměnjali se vkusy v muzikě: forma, balans i elegantnost mněvali se vyše važnymi, než [[Kontrapunkt (muzika)|kontrapunkt]]. Forma odnose se k [[ritm]]u, [[Melodija|melodije]], [[Harmonija|harmonije]] (kako noty sut suměstime), [[Povtorjenje (muzika)|povtorjenju]] i [[Variacije (muzika)|variacije]]. Mocart byl prvym velikym kompozitorom, ktory jest pisal muziku dlja [[Fortepiano|fortepiana]], instrumenta, ktory toliko načal byti popularnym. On jest pisal bez malogo vse tipy muziky: [[Simfonija|simfonije]], [[Opera|opery]], solo [[Koncert (muzična forma)|koncerty]], [[Kamerna muzika|kamernu muziku]], osoblivo [[Strunny kvartet|strunne kvartety]] i strunne [[kvintet]]y, i takože fortepianove [[Sonata|sonaty]]. On jest pisal i [[Religija|religioznu]] muziku, kako sut [[Mša|mše]], skladal i popularnu muziku kako [[Tanec|tance]], [[Divertimento|divertimenti]] i [[Serenada|serenady]]. Ako Mocart byl jest mlady, simfonija obyčajno byla kratkoju prostoju pjesoju za zabavu. Mocart jest prětvaril simfoniju v staranno izrabotano dělo, ktoro trvaje až do poloviny časiny. Jego tri poslědne simfonije sut osoblivo prěkrasne majstrovske děla. Tute sut simfonije čisla 39, 40 i 41. Druge popularne simfonije sut čisla 25, 29, 35, 36 i 38. Jego koncerty, osoblivo fortepianove, sut dalěko vyše naprěd, než něčto napisano prěd tym. Jest mnogo zvukozapisov tutyh koncertov jerbo oni sut popularne. Hoti Mocart poněkogda postupoval napravdu po-dětinsku, on jest dobro razuměl ljudskoj harakter. Tuto jest isto v jego operah, kde on jest izkoristal mnogo tonkyh efektov, ktore opisyvajut personažev povědky. Něktore iz jego oper byli sut premnogo komplikovanymi na svoj čas i mnogy ljudi ne sut razuměli jim. Mocartovy opery sut medžu jego veličajšimi tvorbami. On jest velmi dobro razuměl haraktery ljudij i mogl pisati muziku, ktora nam govori vsečto o [[Osobnost|ličnosteh]] v operah. Vse opery imajut tekst, ktory se nazyvaje [[libretto]]. Obyčajno, kompozitor piše muziku, a někto iny piše tekst. [[Lorenсo da Ponte|Lorenco da Ponte]] ({{Lang|it|Lorenzo da Ponte}}) jest napisal slova i tekst dlja treh znamenityh oper na italijanskom, tute tri italijanske opery sut <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]'', ''[[Le Nozze di Figaro]]''</span> (''Svatba Figaro'') i <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Cosi fan tutte]]''</span>. Mocart byl velmi dobrym pri kombinovanju glasov. V tutyh operah imaje hitro pěvanje ansamblev i několik personažev zajedno. S pomoćju tutyh kombinovanyh glasov Mocart jest stvoril prěkrasnu [[Simetrija|simetriju]] i [[Harmonija|harmoniju]]. Pomimo svojih velikyh majstrovskyh děl, Mocart jest takože pisal mnogo pjes vo vyše popularnom stilju, vključno několika melodij, ktore vse znajut tutčas. Veliko znamenite pjesy vključajut jego serenadu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Eine kleine Nachtmusik]] K525,''</span> ''Turecko rondo'' iz ''Fortepiannoj sonaty v la-mažoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K331</span>'', vstupjenje ''Simfonije <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">No. 40</span> v sol-minoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K550</span>'' i pěsnju pticelovitelja iz ''Čarovnoj flejty <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K620.</span>'' Mocart jest koristal mnogo instrumentov dlja skladanja i vystupanja. V mladom věku on spoznamil se s fortepianami, ktore jest dělal Franc Jakob Špet ({{Lang|de|Franz Jakob Späth}}) od Regensburga. Pozdněje v Augsburgu Mocart byl vpečatljeny fortepianami od [[Johan Andreas Štajn|Štajna]] ({{Lang|de|Johann Andreas Stein}}). Po prěseljenju vo Vienu kompozitor jest kupil instrument [[Anton Walter|Waltera]]. Mocart takože iměl vlastne specialne guslje, ktore se nazyvali gusljami "Kloc ({{Lang|de|Klotz}})". Tute guslje stalo jestvijut dnes i nahodet se v muzeju {{Lang|de|Salzburg Mozarteum}}. == Katalog tvorb == V něktory čas poslě smrti Mocarta člověk imenom Kohel ({{Lang|de|Köchel}}) jest izučil cělu muziku Mocarta. Kohel jest staral se razpologati iztvory v [[Hronologija|hronologičnom]] redu i davati jim nomera. Nizše čisla sut tvorby, ktore Mocart jest napisal, kogda byl mlady, vysše čisla sut na starši raboty. Nomer pomagaje točno znati o kakom iztvoru ide, napriměr ''Simfonija v sol-minoru {{-|K183}} ne jest jednakoju pjesoju kako ''Simfonija v sol-minoru {{-|K550}}'' ({{-|K}} označaje {{-|Köchel}}, poněkogda to samo zapisyvaje se kako "{{-|KV550}}"</span>, čto znači "{{Lang|de|Köchel Verzeichnis}}" ili "Katalog Köhela"). Najvysši nomer Kohela jest čislo 626, zaupokojna mša (''Rekviem Mocarta''). ==Svezane stranicy== * [[Amadeus (film)]] ==Linky i referencije== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} * Groves Dictionary of Music and Musicians, edited by Stanley Sadie; 1980; ISBN 1-56159-174-2 * Listening To Western Music, written by Craig Wright; ISBN 978-0-495-11627-1 </div> ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{DEFAULTSORT:Mocart, Voljfgang Amadeus}} [[Kategorija:Kompozitori]] [[Kategorija:Muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Avstrijci]] {{INTERWIKI|Q254}} fyjzfsd95x2rwzr8697e66vidy0whc3 28908 28907 2026-07-16T17:07:56Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Katalog tvorb */ 28908 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka osoba | honorific_prefix = | name = Voljfgang Amadeus Mocart | honorific_suffix = | image =[[Fajl:Wolfgang-amadeus-mozart 1.jpg|center|300px|thumb|Posmrtny portret Mocarta, namaljevany v roku 1819]] | image_size = | alt = | caption = Mocart | native_name = <center>{{Jezyky|de|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart}}</center> | native_name_lang = Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart | pronunciation = <!--add pronunciation in IPA with template {{IPA-xx|...|lang}}, and replace 'xx' with the ISO639-1 code for the language. 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Jego polno [[krestno ime]] bylo ''{{-|Johannes Chrysostomus Wolfgangus Theophilus Mozart}}''. On jest rodil se v [[Zalcburg, Avstrija|Zalcburgu]] (vtogda svobodnom arhiepiskopskom gradu [[Sveta Rimska Imperija|Svetoj Rimskoj Imperije]], tutdenj [[Avstrija]]). On byl najmladšim synom Leopolda i Anny Marije Mocartov. Od velmi rannjego věka mlady Mocart jest pokazal veličajši muzičny talent. On jest putoval [[Evropa|Evropoju]] s roditeljami i staršeju sestroju "Nannerl" podčas několik lět. V tutyh putovanjah on jest igral prěd kraljevskimy rodinami i aristokratičnoju elitoju. Buduči junakom, Mocart jest rabotal v Parižu, Manhajmu i Mjunhenu, potom vozvratil se do Zalcburga. V Zalcburgu on jest rabotal pri dvoru arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo, on byl neposědlivy, priznaval sebe genijem, i mněval Zalcburg mnogo malym za jego dar. On jest se prěselil do [[Viena|Vieny]], gde byl dost uspěšnym. V Vieně on jest se ženil s [[Konstanc Weber|Konstancoju Weber]] ({{Jezyky|de|Constanze Weber}}) i oni iměli dvoh synov. On jest umrl v Vieně od bystroj ale neznanoj hvoroby. Mocart jest avtorom vyše než 800 muzikalnyh tvorb v najvysšej muzičnoj kakosti. Jego tvorby vključajut [[Opera|opery]] [[Svatba Figaro (Mocart)|''Svatba Figaro'']],<span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> ''[[Don Giovanni]]'', ''[[Cosi fan tutte|Così fan tutte]]''</span> i [[Čarovna flejta (Mozart)|Čarovna flejta]]; simfonije v mi-bemol mažoru, sol-minoru i [[Simfonija No. 41 "Jupiter" (Mocart)|do-mažoru]] ("Jupiter"). On jest napisal koncerty dlja [[Fortepiano|fortepiana]], [[Guslje|guslj]] i različnyh [[Dyhove instrumenty|dyhovyh instrumentov]]. On jest takože napisal mnogo kamernyh pies, crkovnoj muziky, tancev, pěsnej i <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Requiem (Mocart)|Requiem]]''</span>. Zajedno s [[Johan Sebastjan Bah|Bahom]] i [[Ljutvig van Bethoven|Bethovenom]], Mocarta razgledajut kako jednogo iz najveličajših kompozitorov, ktore sut někogda žili. ==Žitje== ===Rodina i rannje lěta=== Wolfgang Amadeus Mocart ("Wolfi" ili Wolferl") rodil se v Zalcburgu u Leopolda i Anny Marije Mocartov. Leopold byl skripačom v orkestru arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo. On byl avtorom veliko popularnogo priručnika igranja na gusljah za početkujučih. Mlady Mocart iměl veliky muzičny dar od velmi malogo věka. On jest igral na klavesinu i gusljah vo věku 5 lět. On takože pisal male muzične piesy. Mocartova sestra Marija Anna ("Nannerl") byla talentovanoju děvčinkoju. Obědvě děti sut dostali sebe muzično i akademično obrazovanje od svojego otca. Rodina koncertovala po Evropě několiko lět, oni sut igrali dlja šljahty i aristokratov. [[Fajl:Louis Carrogis dit Carmontelle - Portrait de Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart (Salzbourg, 1756-Vienne, 1791) jouant à Paris avec son père Jean... - Google Art Project.jpg|left|thumb|Leopold, Wolfgang i Nannerl, okolo 1763 goda]] Mocart jest vystupoval v [[Mjunhen]]u, [[Praga|Pragě]], [[Pariž]]u, [[Haga|Hagě]] i [[London]]u. V Londonu on jest igral dlja [[Kralj Georg III (Velika Britanija)|kralja Georga {{-|III}}]]. On jest strěčal se s kompozitorom [[Johan Kristijan Bah|Johanom Kristijanom Bahom]] (1735–1782), jednim iz synov [[Johan Sebastjan Bah|Johana Sebastjana Baha]]. On jest siděl na koleně Johana Kristijana Baha i improvizoval fugu. I tut, vo věku 8 lět, on jest uslyšal izpolnjenje svojih prvyh dvoh simfonij. V koncu, Mocarty vozvratili se v Zalcburg. Ale v 1768, oni iznova se povezli v Vienu. Vo Vieně, vtogda uže dvanadcatilěty Mocart jest postavil na scenu svoju prvu operu, {{Lang|de|Bastien und Bastienne}}. On jest zabolěl i iměl [[Ospa|ospu]], izcělil se ale do konca života iměl slědy ospy na lice. Potom on privezl se do [[Italija|Italije]]. V Italiji on jest slušal muziku mnogyh [[Italijani|italijanskyh]] kompozitorov. Mocart jest uslyšal pjesu s nazvanjem ''Miserere'' avtora [[Gregorio Allegri]]. Tuta pjesa byla napisana dlja [[Papa|Papy]] i pěvala se [[hor]]om [[Vatikan]]a. Nikomu ne bylo dozvoljeno viděti zapisanu muziku, da by nikto ne mogl kopirovati i pěvati ju. Jednakože Mocart, ktory slyšal pjesu jedin raz, jest zapisal ju iz pameti. On se strěčal s [[Papa|Papoju]] i jemu bylo darovano [[rycarstvo]] (Orden Zlatoj Ostrogy). V lětu 1777, on jest jehal do putovanja so svojeju materi. V [[Mannhajm|Manhajmu]] on jest zaljubil se v Aloiziju Weber. Ona iměla 16 lět i učila se [[Pěvanje|pěvati]]. Mocart jest htěl ju vzeti do Italije, da by se stala znamenitoju, ale jego otec izměnil tute plany. Lětom 1778 Mocart i jego mati byli v [[Pariž]]u, kde jego mati jest umrla. Mocart jest napisal několiko malyh oper, kogda byl mlady, ale jego prvoju napravdu važnoju operoju byla ''[[Idomeneo]]''. Ju najprvo sut pokazali v Mjunhenu v lětu 1780. Jedin rok po tom on se privezl do Vieny. Na toj moment on byl rabotal kako i jego otec na Arhiepiskopa Zalcburgskogo. Kogda on jest prišedl do Zalcburga, on jest argumentoval s Arhiepiskopom. Za tuto Arhiepiskop jest jego izkydnul iz raboty. Mocart jest odvezl se do Vieny, kde on jest provědl ostatok svojego žitja. V lětu 1782, on se ženil s [[Konstanc Weber]] Ona byla jednou iz mladših sestr Aloizije (ktora uže iměla inogo muža). Oni iměli sedm dětij , ale pet iz njih sut umrli v dětinstvu. Otec Mocarta ne jest odobrjil jihno supružstvo. Konstanc jest byla ljubečeju ženoju, ale zato, že kako i Mocart, ona ne byla dobra v dbanju o grošah, oni često žili velmi bědno. V jednakom lětu, 1782, Mocart jest napisl drugu velmi uspěšnu operu: <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Die Entführung aus dem Serail]]'' </span> ("Pohyčenje iy seralja"). Jestvuje znaměnita povědka, svezana s prvoju ukazkoju tutoj opery. Ona jest o tom, že byl kratky razgovor medžu imperatorom Jozefom II i Mocartom. Po tom, ako imperator jest uviděl operu, on jest skazal Mocartu: "Tak prěmnogo not, dragy Mocarte, tak prěmnogo not", na čto Mocart jest odpoveděl “Samo toliko, koliko jest potrěbno, Vaše Veličenstvo.” [[Fajl:Mozart (unfinished) by Lange 1782.jpg|thumb|right|Nezakončeny portret Mocarta, 1782]] Mocart načal mnogo koncertov, kde on jest igral svoji fortepianove [[Koncert (muzična piesa)|koncerty]]. On jest pisal tute koncerty sam i dirigoval jih od klaviatury. Fortepianove koncerty Mocarta sut, kako prědže, velmi popularny i dnes. On jest napisal 27 fortepianovyh koncertov. Vsaky koncerty imaje nomer, da by znati, ktory jest ktory. Najvyše sut popularne koncerty c nomerami 20, 21, 23, 24 i 27. Mnoge iz tutyh koncertov sut jesdnimi iz najlěpših tvorb Mocarta. On jest se spoznal s kompozitorom Jozefom Hajdnom <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">([[Joseph Haydn]])</span>, i dva muža stali sut velikimi prijateljami. Oni često igrali sut zajedno v [[Strunny kvartet|strunnom kvartetu]]. Hajdn jest skazal jednogo dně Leopoldu Mocartu: "Prěd Bogom i kako čestny člověk ja govorim vam, že vaš syn jest veličajšim kompozitorom, ktorogo ja znaju lično ili po imeni. On imaje vkus, i čto vyše, gluboko znanje kompozicije." Mocart byl v jednakoj [[Masonska loža|Masonskoj lože]] s Hajdnom. Tuto označalo takože, že obadva byli v grupě s blizkymi interesami. Mocart jest [[Posvečenje|posvetil]] šest strunnyh kvartetov Hajdnu. Oni se nazyvajeut "Hajdnovymi" kvartetami. Sut dva znamenityh "Hajdnovyh" kvarteta, jedin iz njih se nazyvaje "Lov" i drugy se nazyvaje "Disonans." V svojih pozdejših lětah Mocart jest zarabotyval menje grošov, než prědže. [[Aristokrat]]y ne mogli jego poddrživati grošami, zato že togda byla vojna. Slušateli v Vieně takože za několik lět uže ne davali Mocartu mnogo poddržky. Zato on jest Často jezdil do [[Praga|Pragy]], kde auditorija jego ljubila. Jego opera ''[[Svatba Figaro]]'' byla velmi popularnoj. V 1787, on vprvo ukazal svoju operu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]''.</span> === Hvoroba i smrt === Jestvuje několiko povědok o poslědnoj hvorobě i smrti Mocarta, i ne jest istota, čto se stalo. On jest rabotal nad operoju ''[[Čarovna flejta]]''. Ta jest jednoju iz jego najlěpših tvorb i dnes velmi popularnoju operoju. Ona jest napisana na [[Němečsky jezyk|němečskom jezyku]], a ne na [[Italijansky jezyk|italijanskom]], kako věčšina jego drugyh oper. V někotorom smyslu, ona jest podobna anglijskoj [[Pantomima|pantomimě]]. V toj čas, ako on na njej rabotal, neznakomec jest jego poprosil napisati [[rekviem]]. Neznakomec prosil jego pisati tajno. Mocartu bylo takože trěba napisati italijansku operu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[La Clemenza di Tito]]''</span>. Opera byla prvo ukazana v Pragě v septembru 1791 goda. Na konce měseca byla premjera ''Čarovnoj flejty''. Mocart za tym velmi natrudil se pri ''Rekviemu''. On uže možlivo postigl, že jest težko boljny, i takym sposobom rekvijem ([[zaupokojna služba]] za umrših) byl po nem samom. On jest umrl v [[Viena|Vieně]], ne zakončivši jego. Konstanc poprosila inogo kompozitora, ktory se imenoval [[Franc Havjer Sjusmajr]] ({{Lang|de|Franz Xaver Süssmayr}}), zakončiti rabotu. Mocart byl pogrbeny na grobišču Sv. Marksa v Vieně. Mocart iměl velmi prosty pogreb, ačekoli on byl velmi popularnym člověkom. Ne jest isto znajemo, na čto toj umrl, ale to byla někaka hvoroba. === Muzika Mocarta === Muzika Mocarta, kako i [[Hajdn]]a, odnose se k lěpšim iztvorjenjam tako nazyvajemoj [[Klasična muzika|klasičnoj muziky]]. V tutoj čas ako Mocart jest načal skladati muziku, blizil se ko koncu period [[Baročna muzika|Baroka]]. Izměnjali se vkusy v muzikě: forma, balans i elegantnost mněvali se vyše važnymi, než [[Kontrapunkt (muzika)|kontrapunkt]]. Forma odnose se k [[ritm]]u, [[Melodija|melodije]], [[Harmonija|harmonije]] (kako noty sut suměstime), [[Povtorjenje (muzika)|povtorjenju]] i [[Variacije (muzika)|variacije]]. Mocart byl prvym velikym kompozitorom, ktory jest pisal muziku dlja [[Fortepiano|fortepiana]], instrumenta, ktory toliko načal byti popularnym. On jest pisal bez malogo vse tipy muziky: [[Simfonija|simfonije]], [[Opera|opery]], solo [[Koncert (muzična forma)|koncerty]], [[Kamerna muzika|kamernu muziku]], osoblivo [[Strunny kvartet|strunne kvartety]] i strunne [[kvintet]]y, i takože fortepianove [[Sonata|sonaty]]. On jest pisal i [[Religija|religioznu]] muziku, kako sut [[Mša|mše]], skladal i popularnu muziku kako [[Tanec|tance]], [[Divertimento|divertimenti]] i [[Serenada|serenady]]. Ako Mocart byl jest mlady, simfonija obyčajno byla kratkoju prostoju pjesoju za zabavu. Mocart jest prětvaril simfoniju v staranno izrabotano dělo, ktoro trvaje až do poloviny časiny. Jego tri poslědne simfonije sut osoblivo prěkrasne majstrovske děla. Tute sut simfonije čisla 39, 40 i 41. Druge popularne simfonije sut čisla 25, 29, 35, 36 i 38. Jego koncerty, osoblivo fortepianove, sut dalěko vyše naprěd, než něčto napisano prěd tym. Jest mnogo zvukozapisov tutyh koncertov jerbo oni sut popularne. Hoti Mocart poněkogda postupoval napravdu po-dětinsku, on jest dobro razuměl ljudskoj harakter. Tuto jest isto v jego operah, kde on jest izkoristal mnogo tonkyh efektov, ktore opisyvajut personažev povědky. Něktore iz jego oper byli sut premnogo komplikovanymi na svoj čas i mnogy ljudi ne sut razuměli jim. Mocartovy opery sut medžu jego veličajšimi tvorbami. On jest velmi dobro razuměl haraktery ljudij i mogl pisati muziku, ktora nam govori vsečto o [[Osobnost|ličnosteh]] v operah. Vse opery imajut tekst, ktory se nazyvaje [[libretto]]. Obyčajno, kompozitor piše muziku, a někto iny piše tekst. [[Lorenсo da Ponte|Lorenco da Ponte]] ({{Lang|it|Lorenzo da Ponte}}) jest napisal slova i tekst dlja treh znamenityh oper na italijanskom, tute tri italijanske opery sut <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Don Giovanni]]'', ''[[Le Nozze di Figaro]]''</span> (''Svatba Figaro'') i <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Cosi fan tutte]]''</span>. Mocart byl velmi dobrym pri kombinovanju glasov. V tutyh operah imaje hitro pěvanje ansamblev i několik personažev zajedno. S pomoćju tutyh kombinovanyh glasov Mocart jest stvoril prěkrasnu [[Simetrija|simetriju]] i [[Harmonija|harmoniju]]. Pomimo svojih velikyh majstrovskyh děl, Mocart jest takože pisal mnogo pjes vo vyše popularnom stilju, vključno několika melodij, ktore vse znajut tutčas. Veliko znamenite pjesy vključajut jego serenadu <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">''[[Eine kleine Nachtmusik]] K525,''</span> ''Turecko rondo'' iz ''Fortepiannoj sonaty v la-mažoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K331</span>'', vstupjenje ''Simfonije <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">No. 40</span> v sol-minoru <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K550</span>'' i pěsnju pticelovitelja iz ''Čarovnoj flejty <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable">K620.</span>'' Mocart jest koristal mnogo instrumentov dlja skladanja i vystupanja. V mladom věku on spoznamil se s fortepianami, ktore jest dělal Franc Jakob Špet ({{Lang|de|Franz Jakob Späth}}) od Regensburga. Pozdněje v Augsburgu Mocart byl vpečatljeny fortepianami od [[Johan Andreas Štajn|Štajna]] ({{Lang|de|Johann Andreas Stein}}). Po prěseljenju vo Vienu kompozitor jest kupil instrument [[Anton Walter|Waltera]]. Mocart takože iměl vlastne specialne guslje, ktore se nazyvali gusljami "Kloc ({{Lang|de|Klotz}})". Tute guslje stalo jestvijut dnes i nahodet se v muzeju {{Lang|de|Salzburg Mozarteum}}. == Katalog tvorb == V něktory čas poslě smrti Mocarta člověk imenom Kohel ({{Lang|de|Köchel}}) jest izučil cělu muziku Mocarta. Kohel jest staral se razpologati iztvory v [[Hronologija|hronologičnom]] redu i davati jim nomera. Nizše čisla sut tvorby, ktore Mocart jest napisal, kogda byl mlady, vysše čisla sut na starši raboty. Nomer pomagaje točno znati o kakom iztvoru ide, napriměr ''Simfonija v sol-minoru {{-|K183}}'' ne jest jednakoju pjesoju kako ''Simfonija v sol-minoru {{-|K550}}'' ({{-|K}} označaje {{-|Köchel}}, poněkogda to samo zapisyvaje se kako "{{-|KV550}}"</span>, čto znači "{{Lang|de|Köchel Verzeichnis}}" ili "Katalog Köhela"). Najvysši nomer Kohela jest čislo 626, zaupokojna mša (''Rekviem Mocarta''). ==Svezane stranicy== * [[Amadeus (film)]] ==Linky i referencije== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} * Groves Dictionary of Music and Musicians, edited by Stanley Sadie; 1980; ISBN 1-56159-174-2 * Listening To Western Music, written by Craig Wright; ISBN 978-0-495-11627-1 </div> ==Vnešnje linky== * ''Tuty članok sodrživaje prěklad iz članka {{-|«[[:simple:Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart|Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart]]»}} v Vikipediji na prostom anglijskom ([https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wolfgang_Amadeus_Mozart&action=history spis avtorov]; dozvoljeńje [[ccorg:licenses/by-sa/4.0/|{{-|CC BY-SA 4.0}}]]).'' {{DEFAULTSORT:Mocart, Voljfgang Amadeus}} [[Kategorija:Kompozitori]] [[Kategorija:Muzikanti]] [[Kategorija:Avstrijci]] {{INTERWIKI|Q254}} f7f3y1paxpouigr4bqld5xssbomt2yw 0 2039 28946 17433 2026-07-16T22:59:31Z IJzeren Jan 9 28946 wikitext text/x-wiki '''[[Zlato]]''' (hemičny simbol — '''Au''', od ''[[Latinsky jezyk|lat.]]'' aurum) jest [[hemičny element]] 11. grupy 6. perioda [[Periodična sistema elementov|periodičnoj sistemy hemičnyh elementov]], imajuči atomny nomer 79. Prosta substancija zlato je blagorodny [[metal]] žolto-oranževoj barvy. == Etimologija == [[Medžuslovjansky jezyk|Medžuslovjansko]] slovo «zlato» vozhodi k ''praslovjanskomu'' *zolto; rodstvene jemu sut ''[[Litovsky jeyzk|lit.]]'' {{-|geltonas}} «žolty», ''[[Latyšsky jezyk|latv.]]'' {{-|zeltais}} «zlaty»; s drugym vokalizmom: ''[[Gotsky jezyk|got.]]'' {{-|gulþ}}, ''[[Němečsky jezyk|něm.]]'' {{-|Gold}}, [[Anglijsky jezyk|''angl.'']] {{-|gold}}; dalje — [[Sanskrit|''sanskr.'']] हिरण्य (IAST: {{-|híraṇya}}), ''[[Madjarsky jezyk|madj.]]'' {{-|arany}}, ''avest.'' {{-|zaranya}}, ''[[Osetinsky jezyk|oset.]]'' {{-|zærījnæ}} «zlato», takož ''[[Sanskrit|sanskr.]]'' हरि (IAST: {{-|hari}}) «žolty, zlatisty, zelenovity », proizhodeči od ''[[Praindoevropejsky jezyk|praindoevropejskogo]]'' korenja *{{-|ǵʰel-}} «žolty, zeleny, jasny». == Fizične svojstva == Čisto zlato je mekky metal, imajuči žoltu barvu vslěd relativističnyh efektov elektronov. Črvenovity odtěnok něktorym zlatnym iztvoram, napriklad, monetam, pridavajut doměšky inyh metalov, osoblivo mědi. V tenkyh filmah zlato se prosvěčaje zelenoju barvoju. Zlato imaje vysoku teplovodivost i nizko električno sprotivjenje. Zlato je vysoko težkym metalom: gustota čistogo zlata se ravni 19.32 g/cm³ (kulja iz čistogo zlata s diametrom 46.237 mm imaje masu 1 kg). Posrěd metalov zlato imaje sedmo město po gustotě poslě [[osmij]]a, [[iridij]]a, [[Platina|platiny]], [[renij]]a, [[neptunij]]a i [[plutonij]]a. Supostavimu so zlatom gustotu imaje [[volfram]] (19.25 gramov v jednom kubičnom centimetru). == Vněšnje linky == {{Prěvod|ru|Золото|}} [[Kategorija:Hemične elementy]] [[Kategorija:Metaly]] {{INTERWIKI|Q897}} 3htzxf1lzpngvjcazb84rkocpvff5yc 0 2671 28910 28707 2026-07-16T18:58:26Z Мурад 97 27 /* Хисторија */ 28910 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Комикс''' ({{Jezyky|en|comic}} — смєшны) јест рысована повєдка. Он обсегаје литерарну и изобразителну умєтност.<ref name="understanding">{{Cite web |title=Скотт МакКлауд. «Суть Комикса» |url=http://understanding-comics.ru/ |access-date=2013-07-17 |archive-date=2013-07-20 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130720140539/http://understanding-comics.ru/ |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Етимологија == Часом, на англијском језыке (и иних језыках) слова означајучи комикс из иных култур изкорыстајут се дља означенја комиксов из тых култур. Наприклад слово манга дља јапонскых комиков и ''{{-|bandes dessinées}}'' дља франко-белгијскых комиков.<ref>McKinney, 2011. стр. xiii</ref> На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''. Слово стрип в србохрватском произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|strip}}'' како в изразу ''{{-|comic strip}}'' (тип комиксов, популарны в {{-|XIX-XX}} столєтјах). == Хисторија == <gallery caption="Рани приклады комиксов" mode="packed" heights="200"> Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)<!-- have to find the date for this example --> Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830) Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898) </gallery> Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.<ref>[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].</ref> Европєјску традицију комиксов је почел Швејцарец Родолф Топффер ({{-|Rodolphe Töpffer}}) в року 1827. Првы комикс в Америке је был Жолто Дєте ({{-|The Yellow Kid}}) Ричарда Ф. Аутколта ({{-|Richard F. Outcault}}) опубликованы в 1890-х в газетє. Кромє того, Рудолф Диркс, имигровавши из Нємцији в США је пустил комикс Катзенджамерскы Дєти ({{-|The Katzenjammer Kids}}) под вливом Вилхелма Буша ({{-|Wilhelm Busch}}).<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/max-und-moritz/ | title=8 Things about Max und Moritz | date=30 March 2015 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/max-and-moritz-how-germanys-naughtiest-boys-rose-to-global-fame/a-18808584 | title=Max and Moritz: How Germany's naughtiest boys rose to fame – DW – 10/27/2015 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.outdooractive.com/en/story/harz/the-original-story-of-max-and-moritz/28754663/ | title=The original story of Max and Moritz }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.toonsmag.com/max-and-moritz/ | title=Max and Moritz: A Tale of Mischief and Influence - Toons Mag | date=8 October 2023 }}</ref><ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beerbohm, 2003; Sabin, 2005. стр. 186; Rowland, 1990. стр. 13.</ref> В Јапонији је была долга традиција сатиричного маљеванја до Другој Сусветној Војны. Слово манга ({{-|漫画}}) на јапонском језыку означаје комикс. То слово је было популаризовано в {{-|XIX}} столєтју извєстным маљарем жанра укијо-е [[Кацушика Хокусај|Хокусајем]].<ref>Petersen, 2010. стр. 41; Power, 2009. стр. 24; Gravett, 2004. стр. 9.</ref> Покромє, нєкторы теоретикы и хисторикы указывајут на приклады како изображенја в јамє Ласко во Францији,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Barker, 1989. стр. 6; Groensteen, 2014; Grove, 2010. стр. 59; Beaty, 2012; Jobs, 2012. стр. 98.</ref> египтскы хиероглифы, Тројанску колону в Риму,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> Нормаскы гобелен Бајо {{-|XI}} столєтја,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beaty, 2012. стр. 61; Grove, 2010. стр. 16, 21, 59.</ref> дрєвєны блок Прота (1370), ''умєтност смрти'' ({{-|Ars moriendi}}) и ксилографику, ''Судны Дењ'' Микеланджело, гравјуры Вилјама Хогарта ({{-|William Hogarth}}) {{-|XVIII}} столєтја<ref>Grove, 2010. стр. 79</ref> и тако даље,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> ако на прєдтече комиксов. Комиксовыј сериал Пригоды Тинтина ({{-|Les Aventures de Tintin}}) кторы је почел публиковати се в року 1929 в Белгији је играл значиму рољу в франкско-белгијској традицији комиксов.<ref>Theobald, 2004. стр. 82; Screech, 2005. стр. 48; McKinney, 2011. стр. 3.</ref> В 1930-х роках в США је возникнул формат именованы ''{{-|comic books}}''. В початку јего изкорыстовывли дља прєпечатарства стрипов кторы уж је были напечатаны в газетах. В концу тогоже десетилєтја оригиналны публикације сут стали бољшестју.<ref>Rhoades, 2008. стр. 2</ref> == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Комиксы|*]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1004}} 1ix77rshr3vv7yhlkppgxubdq1uul92 28988 28910 2026-07-17T11:03:31Z Мурад 97 27 /* Хисторија */ 28988 wikitext text/x-wiki '''Комикс''' ({{Jezyky|en|comic}} — смєшны) јест рысована повєдка. Он обсегаје литерарну и изобразителну умєтност.<ref name="understanding">{{Cite web |title=Скотт МакКлауд. «Суть Комикса» |url=http://understanding-comics.ru/ |access-date=2013-07-17 |archive-date=2013-07-20 |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20130720140539/http://understanding-comics.ru/ |url-status=dead }}</ref> == Етимологија == Часом, на англијском језыке (и иних језыках) слова означајучи комикс из иных култур изкорыстајут се дља означенја комиксов из тых култур. Наприклад слово манга дља јапонскых комиков и ''{{-|bandes dessinées}}'' дља франко-белгијскых комиков.<ref>McKinney, 2011. стр. xiii</ref> На многых језыках свєта, наприклад на словјанскых (с изкљученјем србохрватского), нємечском ({{-|Comic}}) и тако даље слово комикс произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|comic}}''. Слово стрип в србохрватском произтєка од англиского слова ''{{-|strip}}'' како в изразу ''{{-|comic strip}}'' (тип комиксов, популарны в {{-|XIX-XX}} столєтјах). == Хисторија == <gallery caption="Рани приклады комиксов" mode="packed" heights="200"> Manga Hokusai.jpg|[[Манга]], [[Катсушика Хокусај]] (XIX вєк)<!-- have to find the date for this example --> Toepffer Cryptogame 13.png|''Histoire de Monsieur Cryptogame'', Родолв Топффер (1830) Yellow Kid 1898-01-09.jpg|''Жолто Дєте'', Ричард Ф. Аутклод (1898) </gallery> Традиције комиксов в Европє, Америкє и [[Манга|Јапонији]] имали разни путе.<ref>[http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm The Publication and Formats of Comics, Graphic Novels, and Tankobon] by Chris Couch. Image Narrative, December 2000 (issn1780-678X), [https://web.archive.org/web/20131104223730/http://www.imageandnarrative.be/inarchive/narratology/chriscouch.htm archived].</ref> Европєјску традицију комиксов је почел Швејцарец Родолф Топффер ({{-|Rodolphe Töpffer}}) в року 1827. Првы комикс в Америке је был Жолто Дєте ({{-|The Yellow Kid}}) Ричарда Ф. Аутколта ({{-|Richard F. Outcault}}) опубликованы в 1890-х в газетє. Кромє того, Рудолф Диркс, имигровавши из Нємцији в США је пустил комикс Катзенджамерскы Дєти ({{-|The Katzenjammer Kids}}) под вливом Вилхелма Буша ({{-|Wilhelm Busch}}).<ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.thegermanprofessor.com/max-und-moritz/ | title=8 Things about Max und Moritz | date=30 March 2015 }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.dw.com/en/max-and-moritz-how-germanys-naughtiest-boys-rose-to-global-fame/a-18808584 | title=Max and Moritz: How Germany's naughtiest boys rose to fame – DW – 10/27/2015 | website=[[Deutsche Welle]] }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.outdooractive.com/en/story/harz/the-original-story-of-max-and-moritz/28754663/ | title=The original story of Max and Moritz }}</ref><ref>{{cite web | url=https://www.toonsmag.com/max-and-moritz/ | title=Max and Moritz: A Tale of Mischief and Influence - Toons Mag | date=8 October 2023 }}</ref><ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beerbohm, 2003; Sabin, 2005. стр. 186; Rowland, 1990. стр. 13.</ref> В Јапонији је была долга традиција сатиричного маљеванја до Другој Сусветној Војны. Слово манга ({{-|漫画}}) на јапонском језыку означаје комикс. То слово је было популаризовано в {{-|XIX}} столєтју извєстным маљарем жанра укијо-е [[Кацушика Хокусај|Хокусајем]].<ref>Petersen, 2010. стр. 41; Power, 2009. стр. 24; Gravett, 2004. стр. 9.</ref> Покромє, нєкторы теоретикы и хисторикы указывајут на приклады како изображенја в јамє Ласко во Францији,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Barker, 1989. стр. 6; Groensteen, 2014; Grove, 2010. стр. 59; Beaty, 2012; Jobs, 2012. стр. 98.</ref> египтскы хиероглифы, Тројанску колону в Риму,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> Нормаскы гобелен Бајо {{-|XI}} столєтја,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv; Beaty, 2012. стр. 61; Grove, 2010. стр. 16, 21, 59.</ref> дрєвєны блок Прота (1370), ''умєтност смрти'' ({{-|Ars moriendi}}) и ксилографику, ''Судны Дењ'' Микеланджело, гравјуры Вилјама Хогарта ({{-|William Hogarth}}) {{-|XVIII}} столєтја<ref>Grove, 2010. стр. 79</ref> и тако даље,<ref>Gabilliet, 2010. стр. xiv</ref> ако на прєдтече комиксов. Комиксовыј сериал Пригоды Тинтина ({{-|Les Aventures de Tintin}}) кторы је почел публиковати се в року 1929 в Белгији је играл значиму рољу в франкско-белгијској традицији комиксов.<ref>Theobald, 2004. стр. 82; Screech, 2005. стр. 48; McKinney, 2011. стр. 3.</ref> В 1930-х роках в США је возникнул формат именованы ''{{-|comic books}}''. В початку јего изкорыстовывли дља прєпечатарства стрипов кторы уж је были напечатаны в газетах. В концу тогоже десетилєтја оригиналны публикације сут стали бољшестју.<ref>Rhoades, 2008. стр. 2</ref> Успєх магазина ''{{-|Action Comics}}'' и јего персонажа Супермена в року 1938 считывајемы початком Златој Добы Комиксов. Оногды суперхеројскы комиксы сут играли значиму рољу.<ref>Rhoades, 2008. стр. х</ref> == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Комиксы|*]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1004}} na3bgwrnsbv30inilkjmrzcpgh8nj09 0 2689 28986 20148 2026-07-17T10:21:09Z ~2026-40021-20 500 актуализација 28986 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka grad | name = Краснодар | image_flag = Flag of Krasnodar.svg | flag_alt = | image_seal = | seal_alt = | image_shield = Coat of Arms of Krasnodar (Krasnodar krai).png | shield_alt = | subdivision_type1 = Држава | subdivision_name1 = Росија | subdivision_type2 = Федералны округ | subdivision_name2 = [[Јужны федералны округ (Росија)|Јужны]] | subdivision_type3 = Крај | subdivision_name3 = Краснодарскы крај | established_date = 1793 | area = 339,31<ref>{{cite web|url=https://krd.ru/o-krasnodare/istoriya-goroda/|title=История города|work=krd.ru|accessdate=2026-07-17|archivedate=2024-12-14|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20241214171752/https://krd.ru/o-krasnodare/istoriya-goroda/|language=ru}}</ref> | area_footnotes = | population = 1154885 | population_as_of = 2025 | population_footnotes = | timezone = [[Moscow Time|MSK]] | utc_offset = +3 }} '''Краснода́р''' (До 1920 года — '''Јекатеринода́р''') јест град на југо-западу [[Росија|Росијe]], разположены на правом брєгу рєки [[Кубан (рєка)|Кубани]]. Административны центр [[Краснодарскы крај|Краснодарского краја]]. Наjвеликы и наjмногонаселены град Југа Росији. Великы економичны и културны центр Сєверного [[Кавказ]]а и [[Јужны федералны округ (Росија)|Јужного федералного округа]], центр хисторико-географичној области Кубан. Неофициаљно именује се «столицеју Кубани». Разом с прилеглыми селскими населеными пунктами образује градскы округ град Краснодар. Населенје града — 1 154 885 чловєк (2025),<ref>{{cite web|url=https://rosstat.gov.ru/storage/mediabank/%D0%A1hisl_MO_01-01-2025.xlsx|title=Численность постоянного населения Российской Федерации по муниципальным образованиям на 1 января 2025 года|work=rosstat.gov.ru|accessdate=2026-07-17|language=ru}}</ref> десеты по числу населенја град Росији. В ограниченьјах Краснодарској агломерације проживаје 1 773 786 чловєк, осма по числу населенја агломерација државы. Краснодар — једин из наjбыстрорастучих градов Росији; с 2003 рока јего населенје увеличило се приблизно в два раза. == Етимологија == Град был основаны в 1793 году, ако тврджа с назвоју «Нова сєч» ({{Jezyky|uk|Нова Січ}}), потом, в имену [[Јекатерина Велика|Јекатерины {{-|II}}]] јего сут прєименовали в Јекатеринодар. Име тврдже почетково користали буквално — «дар Јекатерины» ({{Jezyky|ru|дар Екатерины}}), град сут основали на земји, ктору Јекатерина {{-|II}} је подарила [[Чрноморско козачје војско|Чрноморскому козачјему војску]]. В 1920 году град прєименовали в Краснодар, в нјем почеток «Красно» ({{Jezyky|ru|Красно}} — Чрвено) имєје симболично комунистично значенје. == Рајоны града == * Западны * Карасунскы * Прикубанскы * Центраљны == Източникы == <references /> [[Kategorija:Грады в Росији]] [[Kategorija:Краснодарскы крај]] {{INTERWIKI|Q3646}} [[en:Krasnodar]] [[ru:Краснодар]] ljaf0ratohv73isyvc84vvcr9xs8wbl 2 2830 28987 28717 2026-07-17T10:41:39Z Ilja isv 10 28987 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} В [[Японский язык|японском языке]] [[Имя числительное|числительные]], передающие информацию о количестве объектов, почти всегда используются с [[постфикс]]ами — специальными служебными словами, которые называются {{нихонго|'''счётные суффиксы'''|助数詞|дзёсу:си}}. Похожая ситуация наблюдается во многих языках, если с неисчисляемыми существительным не может непосредственно употребляться числительное. В [[Русский язык|русском]] литературном языке перед такими существительными (''сок'', ''дым'') не может стоять числительное. (Хотя в разговорном языке выражения вроде «два сока, пожалуйста» вполне допустимы.) Их количество определяется с помощью специальных слов, обозначающих количество: «литр», «стакан». Эти слова являются самостоятельными и поэтому не являются прямыми аналогами счётных суффиксов, хотя в некоторых случаях предложения строятся идентично: :コーヒーを一杯お願いします: ко:хи:-о иппай онэгайсимасу — чашечку кофе, будьте любезны. Другой непрямой аналогией может служить использование специальных слов для счёта определённого рода объектов. Например, счёт крупного рогатого скота по головам («20 голов» вместо «20 коров» или «20 свиней»), отрезов ткани по штукам («три штуки парчи» вместо «три отреза» или «три рулона»), огнестрельного оружия по стволам («сейф на 5 стволов») и т. д. == Перевод на русский язык == Конструкции со счётными суффиксами можно разделить на три группы в зависимости от того, как они переводятся на русский язык. # Конструкции с суффиксами, являющимися единицами измерения (времени, температуры) или представляющие собой слова, которые обозначают объекты (остров, страна, этаж и т. п.), как правило, переводятся с использованием соответствующего слова в родительном падеже («посетил три страны», «температура 16 градусов», «исполнилось 20 лет», «пятый этаж») или с образованием сложносоставного прилагательного («семилетний ребёнок», «пятиминутный перерыв», «трёхэтажный дом»). Носитель русского языка даже может не воспринимать эти суффиксы как особенность японского языка, поскольку их употребление близко к соответствующим конструкциям в его родном языке. # Конструкции с суффиксами, употребляющимися с несчётными (в русском языке) существительными, тоже выглядят для носителей русского языка естественно. В разговорном русском допустимо говорить «дайте три молока и два сока», однако в грамотной речи и на письме необходимо уточнение, например, «три бутылки молока и два пакета сока». Поэтому японские счётные суффиксы, употребляющиеся с несчётными существительными, переводятся на русский естественным образом («два рулона обоев», «чашка чая»). # Наиболее сложны для понимания конструкции, в которых счётные суффиксы используются со счётными существительными. Например, выражение «в семье три ребёнка» в японском языке будет содержать не только слово «ребёнок», но и счётный суффикс для обозначения людей: «детей в семье три человека». Аналогично, нельзя сказать «я купил три яблока», обязательно требуется счётный суффикс для обозначения мелких предметов: «я купил яблок три штуки». В большинстве же случаев японские конструкции и вовсе невозможно точно передать по-русски с указанием на существование счётного суффикса. == Употребление == В японском языке конструкции с использованием количественных [[числительное|числительных]] могут строиться по нижеследующим схемам. * Первая схема: ''количество + суффикс —'' の ''(но) — предмет'', например: :一本 — の — 鉛筆: иппон-но эмпицу, один карандаш; :八歳 — の — 娘: хассай-но мусумэ, восьмилетняя девочка. В данных примерах идентичные в японском языке конструкции передаются при переводе совершенно по-разному. * Вторая схема: '' предмет — частица связи с глаголом — количество + суффикс — глагол'', например: :鉛筆 — を — 三本 — 買いました: эмпицу-о санбон каймасита, купил три карандаша. :八歳の娘 — が — 三人 — います: хассай-но мусумэ-га саннин имасу, присутствуют три восьмилетних девочки. При выборе суффикса учитывается не только фактическая принадлежность к классу вещей («круглые предметы» или «животные»), но и форма. * «один плывущий тунец» — {{нихонго|''иппики'' но магуро|一匹の鮪||считается на «головы скота»}}, * «один выловленный тунец» — {{нихонго|''иппон'' но магуро|一本の鮪||считается на «цилиндрические предметы»}}, * «одна тушка тунца без головы и кожи» — {{нихонго|''иттё:'' но магуро|一丁の鮪||считается на «порции»}}, * «один кусок тунца» — {{нихонго|''хитокатамари'' но магуро|一塊の鮪||считается на «куски»}}, * «тонкий ломтик тунца в упаковке» — {{нихонго|''хитосаку'' но магуро|一冊の鮪||считается на «полоски»}}, * «отрезанный кусочек мяса тунца, готовый к употреблению» — {{нихонго|''хитокирэ'' но магуро|一切れの鮪||считается на «кусочки»}}. == Список счётных суффиксов == В примерах выше используются суффиксы 本 («хон», иногда произносится как «пон» или «бон»), 歳 («сай») и 人 («нин»). Наиболее употребительные суффиксы приведены в таблице: {|class = wikitable !Кандзи !Хирагана !Киридзи !Применение !Пример |- |個 |こ |ко |мелкие предметы, не входящие в другие категории, в том числе плоды, монеты и др. |хак'''ко'''-но ринго (восемь яблок) |- |本 |ほん, ぼん, ぽん |хон, бон, пон |длинные цилиндрические предметы: деревья и цветы, ручки и карандаши, продолговатые фрукты и овощи, зонты;<br />кинофильмы; схватки в единоборствах; автобусы; составы поездов |роп'''пон'''-но банана (шесть бананов) |- |枚 |まい |май |плоские предметы: листы и листья, картины и фотографии без рамки, тарелки, доски, сложенная или висящая одежда |ити'''май'''-но тикэтто (один билет) |- |人 |にん |нин |люди |нидзю'''нин'''-но гакусэй (двадцать студентов) |- |か月 |かげつ |кагэцу |периоды времени, выраженные в месяцах |росиа-ни сан-'''кагэцу''' имасита (три месяца провёл в России) |- |月 |がつ |гацу |для названий месяцев |го'''гацу'''-ни (в мае; го'''гацу''' — пятый месяц) |- |時 |じ |дзи |для счёта часов |има ё'''дзи''' дэс (сейчас четыре часа) |- |台 |だい |дай |для счёта больших предметов, техники |курума га ни'''дай''' аримасу ([у меня] две машины) |- |羽 |わ |ва |для счёта птиц и кроликов |ути дэ тори о ни'''ва''' каимасу (дома держу двух птиц) |- |晩 |ばん |бан |для счёта вечеров, ночей | |- |度 |ど |до |для счёта разов, повторов, событий |мо: ити'''до''' ёндэ кудасай (прочтите ещё [один] раз) |- |日 |か |ка |для названий 2—10 дней месяца, также периодов от 2 до 10 дней |гогацу коконо-'''ка''' (Девятое Мая) |- |代 |だい |дай |для счёта эпох и поколений | |- |名 |めい |мэй |вежливый суффикс для счёта людей (см. также '''нин''') | |- |年 |ねん |нэн |для счёта лет |Киссатэн-дэ ити'''нэн''' хатаракимасита (год работал в кафе) |- |尾 |び |би |для счета рыб | |- |杯 |はい |хай |для счета чашечек (сакэ, чай), также для счета осьминогов, кальмаров | |- |} Следующие суффиксы тоже регулярно встречаются в речи японцев: {|class = wikitable !Кандзи !Хирагана !Киридзи !Применение |- |発 |はつ |хацу |для счёта выстрелов и ударов |- |冊 |さつ |сацу |для счёта книг |- |門 |もん |мон |для счёта пушек |- |部 |ぶ |бу |для счёта копий бумаг |- |頭 |とう |то: |для крупных животных |- |課 |か |ка |для счёта занятий, уроков |- |品 |ひん |хин |для счёта блюд |- |通 |つう |цу: |для счёта документов, писем; способов, сортов |- |回 |かい |кай |для счёта разов |- |対 |つい |цуй |для счёта наборов |- |歩 |ほ |хо |для счёта шагов |- |畳 |じょう |дзё: |для счёта площади по количеству [[татами]] |- |艘 |そう |со: |для счёта маленьких лодок |- |俵 |ひょう |хё: |для счёта сумок |} Без суффиксов могут употребляться только десять исконно [[Японские цифры#Японские цифры|японских числительных]], оканчивающихся на -цу (хитоцу, футацу, мицу…). : 二つ | の | 桜ん坊 : футацу| но | сакурамбо : две | вишенки вместо: : 二 | 個 | の | 桜ん坊 : ни | ко | но | сакурамбо : две | штуки | вишенки == Вопросительные местоимения == [[Вопросительные местоимения]] в японском языке столь же разнообразны, как и счётные суффиксы, и так же зависят от того, к каким предметам относятся. В общем случае вопросительные местоимения образуются путём сложения вопросительного слова {{нихонго|«нан»|何||''что''}} и счётного суффикса. Таким образом, вопрос «Сколько сакур растёт в саду?» может выглядеть так: :桜の木は | 何本 | 庭に | あります |か :сакураноки-ва | намбон | нива-ни | аримас | ка (вопросительная частица) :вишнёвое дерево| сколько | в саду | имеется | ? Существуют и другие вопросительные местоимения<ref>Вопросительные местоимения (вторая форма более вежливая): * что — «нан»/«нани» * кто — «дарэ»/«доната» * где — «доко»/«дотира» * когда — «ицу»</ref>, например {{нихонго|幾ら||икура|сколько(как дорого)}}. == Primětky == {{Primětky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{cite web |url = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |title = Счётные суффиксы |lang = ru |access-date = 2010-12-25 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |archive-date = 2011-01-14 |url-status = dead }} == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}} {{Prěvod|en|Japanese counter word}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} t7i5efiay849er7r74rxkgmry6w65a7 28990 28987 2026-07-17T11:18:28Z Ilja isv 10 28990 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} V [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]] [[Japonske čislovniky|čislovniky]], prědavajuče informaciju o čislu objektov, blizko vsegda koristajut se s [[postfiks]]ami — specialnymi služebnymi slovami, ktore se nazyvajut {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}. Похожая ситуация наблюдается во многих языках, если с неисчисляемыми существительным не может непосредственно употребляться числительное. В [[Русский язык|русском]] литературном языке перед такими существительными (''сок'', ''дым'') не может стоять числительное. (Хотя в разговорном языке выражения вроде «два сока, пожалуйста» вполне допустимы.) Их количество определяется с помощью специальных слов, обозначающих количество: «литр», «стакан». Эти слова являются самостоятельными и поэтому не являются прямыми аналогами счётных суффиксов, хотя в некоторых случаях предложения строятся идентично: :コーヒーを一杯お願いします: ко :хи:-о ippai onegaishimasu — чашечку кофе, будьте любезны. Другой непрямой аналогией может служить использование специальных слов для счёта определённого рода объектов. Например, счёт крупного рогатого скота по головам («20 голов» вместо «20 коров» или «20 свиней»), отрезов ткани по штукам («три штуки парчи» вместо «три отреза» или «три рулона»), огнестрельного оружия по стволам («сейф на 5 стволов») и т. д. == Перевод на русский язык == Конструкции со счётными суффиксами можно разделить на три группы в зависимости от того, как они переводятся на русский язык. # Конструкции с суффиксами, являющимися единицами измерения (времени, температуры) или представляющие собой слова, которые обозначают объекты (остров, страна, этаж и т. п.), как правило, переводятся с использованием соответствующего слова в родительном падеже («посетил три страны», «температура 16 градусов», «исполнилось 20 лет», «пятый этаж») или с образованием сложносоставного прилагательного («семилетний ребёнок», «пятиминутный перерыв», «трёхэтажный дом»). Носитель русского языка даже может не воспринимать эти суффиксы как особенность японского языка, поскольку их употребление близко к соответствующим конструкциям в его родном языке. # Конструкции с суффиксами, употребляющимися с несчётными (в русском языке) существительными, тоже выглядят для носителей русского языка естественно. В разговорном русском допустимо говорить «дайте три молока и два сока», однако в грамотной речи и на письме необходимо уточнение, например, «три бутылки молока и два пакета сока». Поэтому японские счётные суффиксы, употребляющиеся с несчётными существительными, переводятся на русский естественным образом («два рулона обоев», «чашка чая»). # Наиболее сложны для понимания конструкции, в которых счётные суффиксы используются со счётными существительными. Например, выражение «в семье три ребёнка» в японском языке будет содержать не только слово «ребёнок», но и счётный суффикс для обозначения людей: «детей в семье три человека». Аналогично, нельзя сказать «я купил три яблока», обязательно требуется счётный суффикс для обозначения мелких предметов: «я купил яблок три штуки». В большинстве же случаев японские конструкции и вовсе невозможно точно передать по-русски с указанием на существование счётного суффикса. == Употребление == В японском языке конструкции с использованием количественных [[числительное|числительных]] могут строиться по нижеследующим схемам. * Первая схема: ''количество + суффикс —'' の ''(но) — предмет'', например: :一本 — の — 鉛筆: иппон-но эмпицу, один карандаш; :八歳 — の — 娘: хассай-но мусумэ, восьмилетняя девочка. В данных примерах идентичные в японском языке конструкции передаются при переводе совершенно по-разному. * Вторая схема: '' предмет — частица связи с глаголом — количество + суффикс — глагол'', например: :鉛筆 — を — 三本 — 買いました: эмпицу-о санбон каймасита, купил три карандаша. :八歳の娘 — が — 三人 — います: хассай-но мусумэ-га саннин имасу, присутствуют три восьмилетних девочки. При выборе суффикса учитывается не только фактическая принадлежность к классу вещей («круглые предметы» или «животные»), но и форма. * «один плывущий тунец» — {{Nihongo|''иппики'' но магуро|一匹の鮪||считается на «головы скота»}}, * «один выловленный тунец» — {{Nihongo|''иппон'' но магуро|一本の鮪||считается на «цилиндрические предметы»}}, * «одна тушка тунца без головы и кожи» — {{Nihongo|''иттё:'' но магуро|一丁の鮪||считается на «порции»}}, * «один кусок тунца» — {{Nihongo|''хитокатамари'' но магуро|一塊の鮪||считается на «куски»}}, * «тонкий ломтик тунца в упаковке» — {{Nihongo|''хитосаку'' но магуро|一冊の鮪||считается на «полоски»}}, * «отрезанный кусочек мяса тунца, готовый к употреблению» — {{Nihongo|''хитокирэ'' но магуро|一切れの鮪||считается на «кусочки»}}. == Список счётных суффиксов == В примерах выше используются суффиксы 本 («хон», иногда произносится как «пон» или «бон»), 歳 («сай») и 人 («нин»). Наиболее употребительные суффиксы приведены в таблице: {|class = wikitable !Кандзи !Хирагана !Киридзи !Применение !Пример |- |個 |こ |ко |мелкие предметы, не входящие в другие категории, в том числе плоды, монеты и др. |хак'''ко'''-но ринго (восемь яблок) |- |本 |ほん, ぼん, ぽん |хон, бон, пон |длинные цилиндрические предметы: деревья и цветы, ручки и карандаши, продолговатые фрукты и овощи, зонты;<br />кинофильмы; схватки в единоборствах; автобусы; составы поездов |роп'''пон'''-но банана (шесть бананов) |- |枚 |まい |май |плоские предметы: листы и листья, картины и фотографии без рамки, тарелки, доски, сложенная или висящая одежда |ити'''май'''-но тикэтто (один билет) |- |人 |にん |нин |люди |нидзю'''нин'''-но гакусэй (двадцать студентов) |- |か月 |かげつ |кагэцу |периоды времени, выраженные в месяцах |росиа-ни сан-'''кагэцу''' имасита (три месяца провёл в России) |- |月 |がつ |гацу |для названий месяцев |го'''гацу'''-ни (в мае; го'''гацу''' — пятый месяц) |- |時 |じ |дзи |для счёта часов |има ё'''дзи''' дэс (сейчас четыре часа) |- |台 |だい |дай |для счёта больших предметов, техники |курума га ни'''дай''' аримасу ([у меня] две машины) |- |羽 |わ |ва |для счёта птиц и кроликов |ути дэ тори о ни'''ва''' каимасу (дома держу двух птиц) |- |晩 |ばん |бан |для счёта вечеров, ночей | |- |度 |ど |до |для счёта разов, повторов, событий |мо: ити'''до''' ёндэ кудасай (прочтите ещё [один] раз) |- |日 |か |ка |для названий 2—10 дней месяца, также периодов от 2 до 10 дней |гогацу коконо-'''ка''' (Девятое Мая) |- |代 |だい |дай |для счёта эпох и поколений | |- |名 |めい |мэй |вежливый суффикс для счёта людей (см. также '''нин''') | |- |年 |ねん |нэн |для счёта лет |Киссатэн-дэ ити'''нэн''' хатаракимасита (год работал в кафе) |- |尾 |び |би |для счета рыб | |- |杯 |はい |хай |для счета чашечек (сакэ, чай), также для счета осьминогов, кальмаров | |- |} Следующие суффиксы тоже регулярно встречаются в речи японцев: {|class = wikitable !Кандзи !Хирагана !Киридзи !Применение |- |発 |はつ |хацу |для счёта выстрелов и ударов |- |冊 |さつ |сацу |для счёта книг |- |門 |もん |мон |для счёта пушек |- |部 |ぶ |бу |для счёта копий бумаг |- |頭 |とう |то: |для крупных животных |- |課 |か |ка |для счёта занятий, уроков |- |品 |ひん |хин |для счёта блюд |- |通 |つう |цу: |для счёта документов, писем; способов, сортов |- |回 |かい |кай |для счёта разов |- |対 |つい |цуй |для счёта наборов |- |歩 |ほ |хо |для счёта шагов |- |畳 |じょう |дзё: |для счёта площади по количеству [[татами]] |- |艘 |そう |со: |для счёта маленьких лодок |- |俵 |ひょう |хё: |для счёта сумок |} Без суффиксов могут употребляться только десять исконно [[Японские цифры#Японские цифры|японских числительных]], оканчивающихся на -цу (хитоцу, футацу, мицу…). : 二つ | の | 桜ん坊 : футацу| но | сакурамбо : две | вишенки вместо: : 二 | 個 | の | 桜ん坊 : ни | ко | но | сакурамбо : две | штуки | вишенки == Вопросительные местоимения == [[Вопросительные местоимения]] в японском языке столь же разнообразны, как и счётные суффиксы, и так же зависят от того, к каким предметам относятся. В общем случае вопросительные местоимения образуются путём сложения вопросительного слова {{Nihongo|«нан»|何||''что''}} и счётного суффикса. Таким образом, вопрос «Сколько сакур растёт в саду?» может выглядеть так: :桜の木は | 何本 | 庭に | あります |か :сакураноки-ва | намбон | нива-ни | аримас | ка (вопросительная частица) :вишнёвое дерево| сколько | в саду | имеется | ? Существуют и другие вопросительные местоимения<ref>Вопросительные местоимения (вторая форма более вежливая): * что — «нан»/«нани» * кто — «дарэ»/«доната» * где — «доко»/«дотира» * когда — «ицу»</ref>, например {{Nihongo|幾ら||икура|сколько(как дорого)}}. == Primětky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{cite web |url = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |title = Счётные суффиксы |lang = ru |access-date = 2010-12-25 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |archive-date = 2011-01-14 |url-status = dead }} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}} {{Prěvod|en|Japanese counter word}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} haavo77yhc7fj2h3mt15c5zkhg9njnl 28993 28990 2026-07-17T11:32:50Z Ilja isv 10 28993 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} V [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]] [[Japonske čislovniky|čislovniky]], prědavajuče informaciju o čislu objektov, blizko vsegda koristajut se s [[postfiks]]ami — specialnymi služebnymi slovami, ktore se nazyvajut {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}. Похожая ситуация наблюдается во многих языках, если с неисчисляемыми существительным не может непосредственно употребляться числительное. В [[Русский язык|русском]] литературном языке перед такими существительными (''сок'', ''дым'') не может стоять числительное. (Хотя в разговорном языке выражения вроде «два сока, пожалуйста» вполне допустимы.) Их количество определяется с помощью специальных слов, обозначающих количество: «литр», «стакан». Эти слова являются самостоятельными и поэтому не являются прямыми аналогами счётных суффиксов, хотя в некоторых случаях предложения строятся идентично: {{Nihongo|コーヒーを一杯お願いします|''kōhī-o ippai onegaishimasu''}} — чашечку кофе, будьте любезны. Другой непрямой аналогией может служить использование специальных слов для счёта определённого рода объектов. Например, счёт крупного рогатого скота по головам («20 голов» вместо «20 коров» или «20 свиней»), отрезов ткани по штукам («три штуки парчи» вместо «три отреза» или «три рулона»), огнестрельного оружия по стволам («сейф на 5 стволов») и т. д. == Перевод на русский язык == Конструкции со счётными суффиксами можно разделить на три группы в зависимости от того, как они переводятся на русский язык. # Конструкции с суффиксами, являющимися единицами измерения (времени, температуры) или представляющие собой слова, которые обозначают объекты (остров, страна, этаж и т. п.), как правило, переводятся с использованием соответствующего слова в родительном падеже («посетил три страны», «температура 16 градусов», «исполнилось 20 лет», «пятый этаж») или с образованием сложносоставного прилагательного («семилетний ребёнок», «пятиминутный перерыв», «трёхэтажный дом»). Носитель русского языка даже может не воспринимать эти суффиксы как особенность японского языка, поскольку их употребление близко к соответствующим конструкциям в его родном языке. # Конструкции с суффиксами, употребляющимися с несчётными (в русском языке) существительными, тоже выглядят для носителей русского языка естественно. В разговорном русском допустимо говорить «дайте три молока и два сока», однако в грамотной речи и на письме необходимо уточнение, например, «три бутылки молока и два пакета сока». Поэтому японские счётные суффиксы, употребляющиеся с несчётными существительными, переводятся на русский естественным образом («два рулона обоев», «чашка чая»). # Наиболее сложны для понимания конструкции, в которых счётные суффиксы используются со счётными существительными. Например, выражение «в семье три ребёнка» в японском языке будет содержать не только слово «ребёнок», но и счётный суффикс для обозначения людей: «детей в семье три человека». Аналогично, нельзя сказать «я купил три яблока», обязательно требуется счётный суффикс для обозначения мелких предметов: «я купил яблок три штуки». В большинстве же случаев японские конструкции и вовсе невозможно точно передать по-русски с указанием на существование счётного суффикса. == Употребление == В японском языке конструкции с использованием количественных [[числительное|числительных]] могут строиться по нижеследующим схемам. * Первая схема: ''количество + суффикс —'' の ''(но) — предмет'', например: :一本 — の — 鉛筆: иппон-но эмпицу, один карандаш; :八歳 — の — 娘: хассай-но мусумэ, восьмилетняя девочка. В данных примерах идентичные в японском языке конструкции передаются при переводе совершенно по-разному. * Вторая схема: '' предмет — частица связи с глаголом — количество + суффикс — глагол'', например: :鉛筆 — を — 三本 — 買いました: эмпицу-о санбон каймасита, купил три карандаша. :八歳の娘 — が — 三人 — います: хассай-но мусумэ-га саннин имасу, присутствуют три восьмилетних девочки. При выборе суффикса учитывается не только фактическая принадлежность к классу вещей («круглые предметы» или «животные»), но и форма. * «один плывущий тунец» — {{Nihongo|''иппики'' но магуро|一匹の鮪||считается на «головы скота»}}, * «один выловленный тунец» — {{Nihongo|''иппон'' но магуро|一本の鮪||считается на «цилиндрические предметы»}}, * «одна тушка тунца без головы и кожи» — {{Nihongo|''иттё:'' но магуро|一丁の鮪||считается на «порции»}}, * «один кусок тунца» — {{Nihongo|''хитокатамари'' но магуро|一塊の鮪||считается на «куски»}}, * «тонкий ломтик тунца в упаковке» — {{Nihongo|''хитосаку'' но магуро|一冊の鮪||считается на «полоски»}}, * «отрезанный кусочек мяса тунца, готовый к употреблению» — {{Nihongo|''хитокирэ'' но магуро|一切れの鮪||считается на «кусочки»}}. == Список счётных суффиксов == В примерах выше используются суффиксы 本 («хон», иногда произносится как «пон» или «бон»), 歳 («сай») и 人 («нин»). Наиболее употребительные суффиксы приведены в таблице: {|class = wikitable !Кандзи !Хирагана !Киридзи !Применение !Пример |- |個 |こ |ко |мелкие предметы, не входящие в другие категории, в том числе плоды, монеты и др. |хак'''ко'''-но ринго (восемь яблок) |- |本 |ほん, ぼん, ぽん |хон, бон, пон |длинные цилиндрические предметы: деревья и цветы, ручки и карандаши, продолговатые фрукты и овощи, зонты;<br />кинофильмы; схватки в единоборствах; автобусы; составы поездов |роп'''пон'''-но банана (шесть бананов) |- |枚 |まい |май |плоские предметы: листы и листья, картины и фотографии без рамки, тарелки, доски, сложенная или висящая одежда |ити'''май'''-но тикэтто (один билет) |- |人 |にん |нин |люди |нидзю'''нин'''-но гакусэй (двадцать студентов) |- |か月 |かげつ |кагэцу |периоды времени, выраженные в месяцах |росиа-ни сан-'''кагэцу''' имасита (три месяца провёл в России) |- |月 |がつ |гацу |для названий месяцев |го'''гацу'''-ни (в мае; го'''гацу''' — пятый месяц) |- |時 |じ |дзи |для счёта часов |има ё'''дзи''' дэс (сейчас четыре часа) |- |台 |だい |дай |для счёта больших предметов, техники |курума га ни'''дай''' аримасу ([у меня] две машины) |- |羽 |わ |ва |для счёта птиц и кроликов |ути дэ тори о ни'''ва''' каимасу (дома держу двух птиц) |- |晩 |ばん |бан |для счёта вечеров, ночей | |- |度 |ど |до |для счёта разов, повторов, событий |мо: ити'''до''' ёндэ кудасай (прочтите ещё [один] раз) |- |日 |か |ка |для названий 2—10 дней месяца, также периодов от 2 до 10 дней |гогацу коконо-'''ка''' (Девятое Мая) |- |代 |だい |дай |для счёта эпох и поколений | |- |名 |めい |мэй |вежливый суффикс для счёта людей (см. также '''нин''') | |- |年 |ねん |нэн |для счёта лет |Киссатэн-дэ ити'''нэн''' хатаракимасита (год работал в кафе) |- |尾 |び |би |для счета рыб | |- |杯 |はい |хай |для счета чашечек (сакэ, чай), также для счета осьминогов, кальмаров | |- |} Следующие суффиксы тоже регулярно встречаются в речи японцев: {|class = wikitable !Кандзи !Хирагана !Киридзи !Применение |- |発 |はつ |хацу |для счёта выстрелов и ударов |- |冊 |さつ |сацу |для счёта книг |- |門 |もん |мон |для счёта пушек |- |部 |ぶ |бу |для счёта копий бумаг |- |頭 |とう |то: |для крупных животных |- |課 |か |ка |для счёта занятий, уроков |- |品 |ひん |хин |для счёта блюд |- |通 |つう |цу: |для счёта документов, писем; способов, сортов |- |回 |かい |кай |для счёта разов |- |対 |つい |цуй |для счёта наборов |- |歩 |ほ |хо |для счёта шагов |- |畳 |じょう |дзё: |для счёта площади по количеству [[татами]] |- |艘 |そう |со: |для счёта маленьких лодок |- |俵 |ひょう |хё: |для счёта сумок |} Без суффиксов могут употребляться только десять исконно [[Японские цифры#Японские цифры|японских числительных]], оканчивающихся на -цу (хитоцу, футацу, мицу…). : 二つ | の | 桜ん坊 : футацу| но | сакурамбо : две | вишенки вместо: : 二 | 個 | の | 桜ん坊 : ни | ко | но | сакурамбо : две | штуки | вишенки == Вопросительные местоимения == [[Вопросительные местоимения]] в японском языке столь же разнообразны, как и счётные суффиксы, и так же зависят от того, к каким предметам относятся. В общем случае вопросительные местоимения образуются путём сложения вопросительного слова {{Nihongo|«нан»|何||''что''}} и счётного суффикса. Таким образом, вопрос «Сколько сакур растёт в саду?» может выглядеть так: :桜の木は | 何本 | 庭に | あります |か :сакураноки-ва | намбон | нива-ни | аримас | ка (вопросительная частица) :вишнёвое дерево| сколько | в саду | имеется | ? Существуют и другие вопросительные местоимения<ref>Вопросительные местоимения (вторая форма более вежливая): * что — «нан»/«нани» * кто — «дарэ»/«доната» * где — «доко»/«дотира» * когда — «ицу»</ref>, например {{Nihongo|幾ら||икура|сколько(как дорого)}}. == Primětky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{cite web |url = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |title = Счётные суффиксы |lang = ru |access-date = 2010-12-25 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |archive-date = 2011-01-14 |url-status = dead }} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}} {{Prěvod|en|Japanese counter word}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}} {{Kartka carstvenna osoba | name = Napoleon Bonapart | image = [[Fajl:Jacques-Louis David - The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries - Google Art Project.jpg|thumb|center|''[[Imperator Napoleon v svojem kabinetu na Tuijeri]]'', Žak-Lui David (1812)]] | alt = Portrait of Napoleon in his late thirties, in high-ranking white and dark blue military dress uniform. In the original image he stands amid rich 18th-century furniture laden with papers, and gazes at the viewer. His hair is Brutus style, cropped close but with a short fringe in front, and his right hand is tucked in his waistcoat. | caption = ''[[The Emperor Napoleon in His Study at the Tuileries]]'', 1812 | succession = [[Imperator francuzov]] | reign = 18 maja 1804 – {{nowrap|6 aprila 1814}} | reign_type = 1. carstvo | cor_type = | coronation = | predecessor = | successor = [[Louis XVIII|Lui XVIII]]<ref name=louis> [[Kralj Francije]]</ref> | reign_type1 = [[Sto dnjev|2. carstvo]] | reign1 = {{nowrap|20 mareca 1815 ― 22&nbsp;junija 1815}} | predecessor1 = | successor1 = {{-|Louis XVIII|Луи XVIII}}<ref name=louis/> | birth_name = {{-|Napoleone di Buonaparte}} | birth_date = {{Birth date|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | birth_place = [[Ajaccio|Ažakio]], Korsika, Francija | death_date = {{Death date and age|1821|5|5|1769|8|15|df=yes}} | death_place = [[Longwood, Saint Helena|Longvud, Sveta Helena]] | burial_date = 15 dekembra 1840 | burial_place = {{lang|fr|[[Les Invalides]]|italic=no}}, Pariž, Francija | spouses = {{plainlist| * {{-|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais]]|[[Joséphine de Beauharnais|Жозефин де Боарне]]}}<br/> 9 mareca 1796 - 10 januara 1810 (anulacija) * {{-|[[Marie Louise Avstriska]]|[[Marie Louise Avstriska|Мари-Луиз Австриjска]]}}<br> 11 mareca 1810 - 1814 (razvod)}} | religion = | regnal_name = | issue = | issue_link = #Children | issue_pipe = vyše... | full_name = | house = | father = | mother = | signature = [[Fajl:Firma Napoleón Bonaparte.svg|center|200px]] }} === Související články === * [[Přívozská halda]] * [[Halda Hrabůvka]] * [[Halda Heřmanice]] Tuto jest peskovišče. [[File:Nihongo.svg|thumb|right|100px| 日本語 (Japonsky jezyk)]] '''Japonsky jezyk''' ({{Jezyky|ja|日本語 {{!}} にほんご}} | {{-|''Nihongo'' [nʲiho̞ŋːo̞]}}) {{Kartka činovnik/ofis| name=}} <span class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> </span> == Referencije == <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> {{Iztočniky}} </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese language|}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q5287}} {{Pravopis prověrjeny}} 2kzbrvma5wzni788jmrm9473tpk4h1q 0 3083 28968 27559 2026-07-17T07:44:22Z ~2026-40331-62 498 /* Демографија */ 28968 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Kartka država | common_name = Rosija | native_name = {{Jezyky|ru|Россия}} | conventional_long_name = Росија, Росијска федерација ({{Jezyky|ru|Россия|ru|Российская Федерация}}) | image_flag = Flag of Russia.svg | image_coat = Coat of Arms of the Russian Federation.svg | national_anthem = [[државны химн Росије]] | capital = [[Москва]] | largest_city = [[Москва]] | official_languages = [[Русскы језык|русскы]]<ref>{{Cite web|url=http://www.constitution.ru/en/10003000-04.htm|title=The Constitution of the Russian Federation — Chapter 3. The Federal Structure, Article 68|work=constitution.ru|access-date=2015-04-22}}</ref> | government_type = федерална полпрезидентска република | area_km2 = 17098246 | area_footnote = <ref>{{Cite web |url=https://unstats.un.org/unsd/publications/pocketbook/files/world-stats-pocketbook-2016.pdf#page=182 |title=World Statistics Pocketbook 2016 edition |publisher=United Nations Department of Economic and Social Affairs. Statistics Division |access-date=2018-04-24}}</ref> | area_rank = 1 | population_estimate = 146748590 | population_estimate_year = 2021, с [[Крым]]ом | population_estimate_rank = 9 | currency = [[росијскы рубљ]] | currency_code = RUB | utc_offset = +2 do +12 | iso3166code = RU | coordinates = {{Coord|55|45|N|37|37|E|display=inline,title}} }} '''Росија''', служебно такоже '''Росијска федерација''', јест држава в Возходној Европє и Сєверној Азији. Највечша држава в свєту по површинє, ктора зајмаје 17 милионов км² или выше осмины насељеных оземеј [[Земја|Земји]]. Росија имаје 11 часовых зон и граничи с 16 суверенными државами, что јест највечше число в свєту. Она имаје насељенје в 146,2 милионов људиј и јест најљудна држава в [[Европа|Европє]] и 9 најљудна држава в свєту. Главны и највечши град Росије јест [[Москва]]. Множинство људиј сут [[руси]], најљудны народ срєд [[Словјани|словјанскых]] и европејскых. Државны језык јест [[Русскы језык|русскы]]. В 2014 году Росија окуповала и анексовала вечинство полуострова [[Крым]], кторы јест меджународно познаны како чест [[Украјина|Украјины]], что стало почетком [[Росијско-украјинска војна|росијско-украјинској војны]]. В 2022 году Росија, в часу [[Росијскы напад в Украјину|својего напада в Украјину]], објавила об анексији јешче 4 регионов [[Украјина|Украјины]], кторе тутчас не контролује полно. == Назва == Назва «Росија» произходи од гречского {{Jezyky|el|Ρωσία}}, назвы [[Кыјевска Рус|Руси]], и јест сходно с [[Бєлорус]]ју. == Хисторија == Хисторија државы починаје се с хисторијеју возходных словјанов, ктори објавили се како узнавајема група меджу 3 и 8 столєтјами. В 9. столєтју викинги основали прву возходнословјанску државу [[Кыјевска Рус|Кыјевску Рус]] с главным градом в [[Кыјев]]у. В 988 року Кыјевска Рус пријела [[православје]] из Бизантијској империје, что почело бизантијскы влив на словјанску културу, кторы характеризовал дрєвневозходнословјанску и русску културу в слєдно тысечлєтје. Рус прєжила разпад в 13. столєтју, але в 15 столєтју возходне земја Руси објединило Велико кнежство Московско, кторо стало претендовати на ине возходнословјанске земје. К 18. столєтју тута држава силно разширила се чрєз завојеванја оземеј, анексије и колонизацију и стала Росијскоју империјеју, третјеју највечшеју државоју в хисторији. Послє повстаниј в Росије в 1917 року была основаноју Росијска совєтска федерална социалистична република, водитељи кторој потом основали [[Совєтскы Сојуз|Совєтскы сојуз]], прву комунистичну једнопартијну државу в свєту. Совєтскы сојуз имал рєшајучу рољу в побєдє Сојузников в Другој свєтовој војнє и стал суперсилоју и противником иној суперсилы, [[США]], послє војны. В совєтску еру в Росији случили се понєкторе из најважных технологичных досегнениј 20. столєтја, таке како изпуск првого чловєчского спутника Земји и изпуск првого чловєка в космос. Послє разпада Совєтского сојуза в 1991 року Росијска СФСР стала Росијскоју федерацијеју. Вслєд конституцијној кризы 1993 рока в Росији адаптовали нову конституцију, и она остала федералноју полупрезидентскоју републикоју. С 2000 рока политичны строј Росије прєважаје [[Владимир Путин]], владу кторого винет за авторитаризм, многе нарушенја прав чловєка и корупцију. В 2014 году, послє повстанја в Украјинє, Росија окуповала и [[Анексија Крыма Росијеју|анексовала Крым]] в марцу 2014 рока, а послє почела подпирати сепаратистов в [[Војна в Донбасу|војнє в Донбасу]], что стало почетком [[Росијско-украјинска војна|росијско-украјинској војны]]. В февруару 2022 года Росија ескаловала свој спор с Украјиноју и почела [[Росијско вломјенје в Украјину|вломјенје на все оземја Украјины]]. Росијско вломјенје стало највечшеју војноју в Европє с часа Другој свєтовој војны и сустрєтило широкы меджународны осуд. В септембру 2022 года Росија официално анексовала јешче 4 регионов Украјины — Донечску, Луганску, Херсонску и Запорожску области, але јих оземја она контролује неполно. == Земјепис == Росија имаје поземне границе с 14 државами, что јест највечше число в свєту: она граничи с [[Норвегија|Норвегијеју]], [[Финландија|Финландијеју]], [[Естонија|Естонијеју]], [[Латвија|Латвијеју]] и [[Литва|Литвоју]] на сєверозападу, [[Бєлорус]]ју и [[Украјина|Украјиноју]] на југозападу, [[Грузија|Грузијеју]], [[Азербајджан]]ом, [[Казахстан]]ом на југу и [[Китај]]ем, [[Монголија|Монголијеју]] и [[Сєверна Кореја|Сєверноју Корејеју]] на југоизтоку. Такоже Росија граничи с 2 честично познаными државами ([[Абхазија]] и [[Јужна Осетија]]) и граничи једино по морју с [[Јапонија|Јапонијеју]] и [[США]]. == Демографија == В сумє Росија имаје 16 градов с насељенјем вече, неж милион: [[Москва]], [[Санкт-Петербург]], [[Новосибирск]], [[Јекатеринбург]], [[Казањ]], [[Краснојарск]], [[Нижны Новгород]], [[Чељабинск]], [[Уфа]], [[Краснодар]], [[Самара]], [[Ростов-на-Дону]], [[Омск]], [[Воронеж]], [[Перм]], [[Волгоград]]. == Административно дєљенје == [[Fajl:Map of federal subjects of Russia (2022), disputed Crimea and Donbass.svg|thumb|Карта крајин Росије, вкључајучи спорне анексоване јеју оземје в [[Украјина|Украјинє]].]] Росија официално дєли се на 89 крајин, вкључајучи 24 републикы, 9 крајев, 48 областиј, 3 града федералного значенја, 1 автономну област и 4 автономных округа. Оземје 2 републик (Донечска и Луганска народне републикы) и 2 области (Херсонска и Запорожска) были честично окупованы в часу [[Росијскы напад в Украјину|росијского напада в Украјину]] и сут не контролујеме Росијеју полно, а јих оземје сут меджународно познане како чест [[Украјина|Украјины]]. Оземје Републикы Крыма и града Севастопољ были окуповане и анексоване Росијеју в 2014 году и сут контролујеме Росијеју, але оне сут такоже меджународно познане како чест Украјины. === Републикы === {{Div col | content = # [[Адыгеја]] # [[Република Алтај]] # [[Башкортостан]] # [[Бурјатија]] # [[Дагестан]] # [[Донечска народна република]] (јуридично чест Украјины) # [[Ингушетија]] # [[Кабардино-Балкарија]] # [[Калмыкија]] # [[Карачајево-Черкесија]] # [[Карелија]] # [[Република Коми]] # [[Република Крым]] (јуридично чест Украјины) # [[Луганска народна република]] (јуридично чест Украјины) # [[Мариј-Ел]] # [[Мордовија]] # [[Република Саха]] # [[Сєверна Осетија]] (неофициално — Осетија, Аланија) # [[Татарстан]] # [[Тыва]] # [[Удмуртија]] (главны град — [[Ижевск]]) # [[Хакасија]] # [[Чечња]] # [[Чувашија]] }} === Краја === # [[Алтайскы крај]] # [[Забайкаљскы крај]] # [[Камчатскы крај]] (неофициално — Камчатка) # [[Краснодарскы крај]] (неофициално — Кубањ) # [[Краснојарскы крај]] # [[Пермскы крај]] # [[Приморскы крај]] (неофициално — Приморје) # [[Ставропољскы крај]] (неофициално — Ставропољје) # [[Хабаровскы крај]] === Области === {{Div col | content = # [[Амурска област]] # [[Архангељска област]] # [[Астраханска област]] # [[Белгородска област]] # [[Брјанска област]] # [[Владимирска област]] # [[Волгоградска област]] # [[Вологодска област]] # [[Воронежска област]] # [[Запорожска област]] (јуридично чест Украјины) # [[Ивановска област]] # [[Иркутска област]] # [[Калининградска област]] ([[Калининград]]) # [[Калужска област]] # [[Кемеровска област]] # [[Кировска област]] # [[Костромска област]] # [[Курганска област]] # [[Курска област]] # [[Ленинградска област]] # [[Липечска област]] # [[Магаданска област]] # [[Московска област]] # [[Мурманска област]] # [[Нижегородска област]] # [[Новгородска област]] # [[Новосибирска област]] # [[Омска област]] # [[Оренбургска област]] # [[Орловска област]] # [[Пензенска област]] # [[Псковска област]] # [[Ростовска област]] # [[Рјазанска област]] # [[Самарска област]] # [[Саратовска област]] # [[Сахалинска област]] # [[Свердловска област]] # [[Смоленска област]] # [[Тамбовска област]] # [[Тверска област]] # [[Томска област]] # [[Тульска област]] # [[Туменска област]] # [[Улјановска област]] # [[Херсонска област]] (јуридично чест Украјины) # [[Чељабинска област]] # [[Јарославска област]] }} 1 автономна област: [[Јеврејска автономна област]]. === Грады федералного значенја === # [[Москва]] # [[Санкт-Петербург]] # [[Севастопољ]] (јуридично чест Украјины) === Автономне округы === # [[Ненечскы автономны округ]] (чест Архангељској области) # [[Ханты-Мансијскы автономны округ]] (чест Туменској области) # [[Чукотскы автономны округ]] (бывша чест Магаданској области) # [[Јамало-Ненечскы автономны округ]] (чест Туменској области) == Политика == === Војенне силы === [[Оружне силы Росије]] складајут се из Поземных војск (армије), Војенно-морској флоты (флоты) и Воздушно-космичных сил (воздушных сил). == Източникы == <references /> == Внєшње линкы == {{Prěvod|en|Russia|revizija=1032943179}} {{Državy v Evropě}} {{Državy v Aziji}} [[Kategorija:Росија| ]] [[Kategorija:Државы в Европє]] [[Kategorija:Државы в Азији]] {{INTERWIKI|Q159}} 74ibeuut7k36vo3gy3kmlxuqo7o8ymo 0 3456 28935 22831 2026-07-16T21:52:14Z IJzeren Jan 9 28935 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Zhje.svg | right | 240px]] '''Җ''', '''җ''' (''Ž s nižnjeju črtkoju'') jest [[Kirilica|kirilična bukva]], osnovana na bukvě '''{{-|[[Ж]]}}''' i upotrěbjajema v poněkojih neslovjanskyh jezykah. Izgovarjaje se različno, zavisno od danogo jezyka: * V [[Tatarsky jezyk|tatarskom]] ona prědstavjaje alveolo-palatalny frikativ {{MFA|ʑ}}. Tojže sam izgovor strěčaje se v meletskom dialektu [[Čulymsky jezyk|čulymskogo jezyka]].<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://altaica.ru/LIBRARY/Kondiyakov_Lemskaya_2021_Tom1.pdf | last1 = Кондияков | first1 = А.Ф. | last2 = Лемская | first2 = В.М. | title = Чулымский язык д. Пасечное Тюхтетского района Красноярского края 2007–2021 гг. Т. I: Словарь, формы слов и грамматические примеры | place = Томск | publisher = Издательство Томского университета | year = 2021 | pages = 22–23 | isbn = 978-5-7511-2627-8 | language = ru}}</ref> * V [[Kalmyksky jezyk|kalmykskom]] jezyku, v [[Ujgursky jezyk|ujgurskoj]] kirilici (upotrěbjajemoj glavno v državah [[Centralna Azija|Centralnoj Azije]]) i v [[Turkmensky jezyk|turkmenskoj]] kirilici (oficialno v [[Turkmenistan]]u v lětah 1940–1993) ona prědstavjaje zvučnu postalveolarnu afrikatu {{MFA|d͡ʒ}}. * V [[Molodcovsky alfabet|molodcovskom alfabetu]] jezyka [[Komi jezyk|komi]], v upotrěbě v 1918–1932 i 1936–1938 lětah, ona takože prědstavjala zvučnu postalveolarnu afrikatu {{MFA|d͡ʒ}}; v sistemě [[Vasilij Molodcov|Molodcova]] nižnja črtka označala afrikaty, takože v bukvah '''[[Ԇ]]''' i '''{{-|[[Щ]]}}'''. V 1937 g. bylo prědloženje vvedenja bukvy '''Җ''' v [[komi-permjačsky jezyk]] za tojže glasky, ale nakonec zaměsto njej byl izbran dvuznak {{-|'''дж'''}}, kako v [[Komi-zyrjansky jezyk|komi-zyrjanskom]]. * V jezyku [[Dungansky jezyk|dungansky]] (jediny [[Sino-tibetske jezyk|sino-tibetsky]] jezyk pisany kiriliceju) '''Җ''' izgovarjaje se kako {{MFA|d̥ʒ/d̥ʑ̥}} (ili {{MFA|ʈ͡ʂ/t͡ɕ}}).<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/chinese/dungan.htm | first = Simon | last = Ager | title = Dungan (Хуэйзў йүян) | website = omniglot.com | access-date = 2025-09-17 | language = en}}</ref> * Nakonec, v 1957 g. bylo prědloženje vvedenja kiriličnogo alfabeta v [[sibinsky jezyk]] v [[Kitaj]]u (s bukvoju '''Җ''' {{MFA|ɖ͡ʐ/d͡ʑ}}), ale ono nikogda ne vošlo v upotrěbu. == Kodovanje == {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovanje ! <big><big>{{-|Җ}}</big></big> ! <big><big>{{-|җ}}</big></big> |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE WITH DESCENDER}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE WITH DESCENDER}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+0496}} | {{-|U+0497}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1174 | 1175 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x496;</code> | <code>&amp;#x497;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1174;</code> | <code>&amp;#1175;</code> |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy Ж}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|Ж]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы|Ж]] {{INTERWIKI|Q141765}} scad43nbmqo7cpu2na3s6rot7ql0kjo 0 3459 28945 28757 2026-07-16T22:55:52Z MwGamera 13 lint 28945 wikitext text/x-wiki {| style="float:right; clear:right; border:1px solid #eee; padding-left:2em; padding-right:2em; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" | <span style="font-size:90pt; font-family:Cambria, Calibri;">{{-|Қ̇қ̇}}</span> |} {{Calibri|'''Қ̇''', '''қ̇'''}} (''К s nižnjeju črtkoju i vrhnjeju točkoju'') jest historična bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], osnovana na bukvě '''{{-|[[қ]]}}'''. Ona byla čest alfabeta stvorjenogo [[Abhazija|abhazskym]] historikom i aktivistom Semjonom Mihajlovičem Ašhacavoju (1886–1943) za [[Bzybsky dialekt abhazskogo jezyka|bzybsky]] dialekt [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskogo jezyka]] v 1906 g.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/gBIZEslWujvUt | format = PDF | first = Х.С. | last = Бгажба | title = Бзыбский диалект абхазского языка (Исследование и тексты) | place = Тбилиси | publisher = Издательство Академии наук Грузинской ССР | year = 1964 | language = ru | pages = 16–17}}</ref> Ona označala pridyhany palatalizovany bezzvučny velarny eksplosiv {{MFA|kʲʰ}}, v sučasnom [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskom pravopisu]] pisany dvuznakom {{-|'''қь'''}}.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://disk.yandex.ru/i/2WiKc6d_bmWAJ | first = Н.Я. | last = Марр | title = О языке и истории абхазов | place = Москва, Ленинград | publisher = Издательство Академии наук СССР | year = 1938 | chapter = О записывании абхазских текстов | page = 160 | format = PDF | language = ru | pages = 158–163}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/abkhaz.htm | title = Abkhaz (аҧсуа бызшәа) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2025-12-16 | language = en}}</ref> Kako rukovoditelj bzybskogo komiteta Družstva razprostranjen‌ja prosvěty srěd Abhazov, Ašhacava prilal lingvistu Nikolaju Marru okolo 100 abhazskyh skazok napisanyh na tutom alfabetu, ale kromě togo nikogda ne došlo k jegovomu praktičnomu priměnjen‌ju.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | format = PDF | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | page = 56}}</ref> == Kodovan‌je == Tuta bukva ne jestvuje kako samostojny znak v [[Unikod]]u. Zaměsto togo ona piše se kako {{-|'''қ'''}} s kombinujučeju točkoju: {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je ! style="font-size:large;" | {{-|Қ}} ! style="font-size:large;" | {{-|қ}} ! style="font-size:large;" | ◌̇ |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH DESCENDER}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH DESCENDER}} | {{-|COMBINING DOT ABOVE}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+049A}} | {{-|U+049B}} | {{-|U+0307}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1178 | 1179 | 775 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x49a;</code> | <code>&amp;#x49b;</code> | <code>&amp;#x307;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1178;</code> | <code>&amp;#1179;</code> | <code>&amp;#775;</code> |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+049A | title = U+049A Cyrillic Capital Letter Ka with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+049B | title = U+049B Cyrillic Small Letter Ka with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0307 | title = U+0307 Combining Dot Above | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy К}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]] t53wfbj5ccr0fd5zh1jjukzx5c7eygv 0 3469 28884 28754 2026-07-16T12:29:31Z MwGamera 13 zwj→zwnj; −big 28884 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Soft Kha.svg | right | 240px]] '''Ҳ''', '''ҳ''' (''ha s nižnjeju črtkoju'', v [[Unikod]]u: {{Lang|en|ha with descender}}) jest bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], upotrěbjena v sučasnosti ili minulosti v poněkojih neslovjanskyh jezykah. Ona jest osnovana na kiriličnoj bukvě '''{{-|[[Х (kirilica)|х]]}}'''. V latinskoj transliteraciji suglasno sistemam [[ISO 9|ISO 9:1995]] i {{-|ГОСТ 7.79—2000}} bukvě '''Ҳ ҳ''' odpovědaje '''{{-|Ḩ ḩ}}.'''<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.scriptsource.org/cms/scripts/page.php?item_id=entry_detail&uid=tk6f3uxlzf | title = Cyrillic Romanization Table | website = Scriptsource.org | language = en | access-date = 2026-01-02}}</ref> V ostalyh sistemah ona transliteruje se obyčno kako '''{{-|H h}}'''. [[Fajl:Tajik rouble reverse detail.png | thumb | left | Na tadžikskoj banknotě]] [[Fajl:KB Uzbek Cyrillic.svg | thumb | left | Na uzbekskoj tipkovnici]] V [[Tadžiksky jezyk|tadžikskom]] alfabetu, utvrdženom v 1940 g. i odtuda v upotrěbě, ona označaje bezzvučny glotalny frikativ {{MFA|h}}. Ona takože upotrěbjaje se v alfabetah někojih drugyh [[Iranske jezyky|iranskyh]] jezykov: [[Jagnobsky jezyk|jagnobskogo]] (od konca 1980-yh ili početka 1990-yh lět), [[Šugnansky jezyk|šugnanskogo]] (od 1990-yh lět) i [[Jazgulamsky jezyk|jazgulamskogo]] (od 2010-yh lět) jezykov. Ona takože byla koristana za pisan‌je [[Beludžsky jezyk|beludžskogo jezyka]] v [[Turkmenistan|Turkmenskoj SSR]]. V tutyh jezykah ona takože označaje zvuk {{MFA|h}}. Takože v 1940 g. ona byla vvedena v nove kirilične alfabety [[Uzbeksky jezyk|uzbekskogo]] i [[Karakalpaksky jezyk|karakalpakskogo]] jezykov za označen‌je togože samogo zvuka. V [[Uzbekistan]]u vvedene byli [[Latinica|latinske]] alfabety za uzbeksky (v 1992 g.) i karakalpaksky (v 1994 g.), v ktoryh jejno město zajela latinska bukva {{-|'''h'''}}. Jednakože uzbekska kirilica ješče jest v upotrěbě v [[Kazahstan]]u, [[Kyrgyzstan]]u i [[Tadžikistan]]u. Od 1954 g. bukva '''ҳ''' jest čest [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskogo alfabeta]], v ktorom označaje bezzvučny faringalny frikativ {{MFA|ħ}}. Ona zastupila bukvu '''[[һ]]''', upotrěbjenu v prědvojennyh variantah abhazskoj kirilice. V naučnyh sistemah za transliteraciju abhazskogo jezyka koristaje se '''{{-|h}}''' ({{-|BGN-PCGN}}), '''{{-|ḣ}}''' ({{-|ALA-LC}}) ili '''{{-|ḥ}}''' ({{-|TITUS}}).<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/romanization/nonslav.pdf | title = ALA-LC Romanization tables: Non-Slavic Languages (in Cyrillic Script) | access-date = 2026-01-02}}</ref> V [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom]] takože jest dvuznak '''ҳә''', ktory označaje labializovanu versiju {{MFA|ħʷ}}. V kiriličnom alfabetu [[Sibinsky jezyk|sibinskogo jezyka]], razrabotanom v [[Kitaj]]u v 1957 g. ale nikogda ne upotrěbjanom v praktikě, ona označala bezzvučny uvularny frikativ {{MFA|χ}}. Na [[Vikisklad]]u nahodi se obrazok alfabeta drugogo [[Tungusske jezyky|tungusskogo]] jezyka, [[Oroksky jezyk|orokskogo]], ale bez izvora i bez informacije ob izgovoru.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Orok-alphabet-2004.png | title = Орокский алфавит | access-date = 2025-12-20}}</ref> [[Fajl:Khanty script.gif | thumb | left | Alfabet hantyjskogo jezyka]] V [[Hantyjsky jezyk|hantyjskyh]] i [[Itelmensky jezyk|itelmensyh]] alfabetah '''ҳ''' koristaje se poprěmenno so shodnoju bukvoju '''[[ӽ]]''', takože označajučeju bezzvučny uvularny frikativ {{MFA|χ}}. Nakonec, amerikanec Adam Din koristaje ju v svojem prědloženom pravopisu za [[ubyhsky jezyk]] za označen‌je zvuka {{MFA|χ}}.<ref>{{Cite web | first = Simon | last = Ager | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/ubykh.htm | title = Ubykh (ТВaҳəбзa/Twaxəbza) | language = en | access-date = 2026-01-02}}</ref> {{Clear}} == Kodovan‌je == {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je ! style="font-size:large;" | {{-|Ҳ}} ! style="font-size:large;" | {{-|ҳ}} |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER HA WITH DESCENDER}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER HA WITH DESCENDER}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+04B2}} | {{-|U+04B3}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1202 | 1203 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x4b2;</code> | <code>&amp;#x4b3;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1202;</code> | <code>&amp;#1203;</code> |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+04B2 | title = U+04B2 Cyrillic Capital Letter Ha with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+04B3 | title = U+04B3 Cyrillic Small Letter Ha with Descender | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy Х}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]] {{INTERWIKI|Q425099}} fx17bgestaj2pz3uym3cnwclcvk7vja 0 3479 28933 22954 2026-07-16T21:49:30Z IJzeren Jan 9 28933 wikitext text/x-wiki <br> [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Zhe with Breve.svg | right | 240px]] '''Ӂ''', '''ӂ''' (''Ž s brevisom'') jest bukva razširjenogo [[Kirilica|kiriličnogo alfabeta]], osnovana na bukvě '''{{-|[[ж]]}}''' s dobavjenjem [[brevis]]a i upotrěbjajema v někojih neslovjanskyh jezykah. V [[Moldavsky jezyk|moldavskom jezyku]] ona označaje zvučnu postalveolarnu afrikatu {{MFA|d͡ʒ}}, odgovarjajuču [[Rumunsky jezyk|rumunskoj]] bukvě '''{{-|g}}''' prěd samoglaskami '''{{-|e}}''' ili '''{{-|i}}'''; tuta bukva byla oficialno vvedena v moldavsky jezyk Sovětom ministrov [[Moldavija|Moldavskoj SSR]] v 1967 g. V [[Gagauzsky jezyk|gagauzskom jezyku]] ona takože označaje zvuk {{MFA|d͡ʒ}} (v sučasnom latinskom alfabetu pisany bukvoju '''{{-|c}}'''). Ona byla vvedena v 1968 g., i ačekoli gagauzka kirilica byla oficialno zaměnjena latiniceju v 1993, kirilica ješče koristaje se někojih izdanjah i dnes. Kromě togo, bukva '''ӂ''' byla upotrěbjena za pisanje [[Komi-permjačsky jezyk|komi-permjačskogo jezyka]] v treh bukvarah (1897, 1889 en 1890 g.) i v učebniku iz 1906 g., v ktoryh označaje zvuk {{MFA|d͡ʒ}}, dnes označeny dvuznakom '''{{-|дж}}'''. Nakonec, bukva '''ӂ''' javi se v historičnyh pravopisah něḱojih kavkazskyh jezykov: * Ona byla upotrěbjena v kiriličnom pravopisu [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskogo jezyka]] iz lět 1909–1926, m.dr. v slovnikah, ktoryh avtorom byl Andrej Čočua. Ona označala zvuk {{MFA|ʒ}}, nyně pisany dvuznakom '''{{-|жь}}'''. * V [[Udinsky jezyk|udinskom jezyku]] ona byla upotrěbjena v publikacijah bratov Mihaila i Semjona Bežanovyh iz lět 1888 i 1902, prědstavjajuči zvuk {{MFA|ʒ:}} (nyně pisany dvuznakom '''{{-|жъ}}''').<ref>{{Cite web | title = Udi (удин муз / udin muz) | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/udi.htm | website = Omniglot.com | first = Simon | last = Ager | access-date = 2025-11-14 | language = en}}</ref> * V rukopisnom tekstu [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] o [[Tabasaransky jezyk|tabasaranskom jezyku]] ona označala zvuk {{MFA|ʒʷ}}, nyně pisany dvuznakom '''{{-|жъ}}'''. == Kodovanje == {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovanje ! <big><big>{{-|Ӂ}}</big></big> ! <big><big>{{-|ӂ}}</big></big> |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE WITH BREVE}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE WITH BREVE}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+04C1}} | {{-|U+04C2}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1217 | 1218 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x4c1;</code> | <code>&amp;#x4c2;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1217;</code> | <code>&amp;#1218;</code> |} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy Ж}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|Ж]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы|Ж]] {{INTERWIKI|Q382614}} qmjfeyprzrvieqsja2nbmyrrlo21eb8 0 3482 28888 28767 2026-07-16T13:55:09Z MwGamera 13 kir., style 28888 wikitext text/x-wiki {| style="float:right; clear:right; border:1px solid #eee; padding-left:2em; padding-right:2em; margin-left:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" | <span style="font-size:90pt; font-family:Cambria, Calibri;">{{-|Ӄ̆ӄ̆}}</span> |} [[Fajl:Abkhazian alphabet in Chochua 1909.webp | thumb | 180px | Stranica iz prvogo izdan‌ja bukvara Andreja Čočua (1909)]] {{Calibri|'''Ӄ̆''', '''ӄ̆'''}} (''ka s hakom i brevisom'') jest historična [[Kirilica|kirilična]] bukva, ktora od početka 20. stolětja do 1926 g. služila v [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskom alfabetu]] kako palatalizivony variant bukvy '''[[ӄ]]'''; ona označala smekčeny i pridyhany velarny eksplosiv {{MFA|kʲʰ}}, nyně označeny v [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom]] dvuznakom {{-|'''қь'''}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/abkhaz.htm | title = Abkhaz (аҧсуа бызшәа) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2026-02-24 | language = en}}</ref> Ona byla vvedena abhazskym pedagogom (i pozdnějšim prědsědateljem prezidiuma Vrhovnogo sověta Abhazskogo ASSR) Andrejem Čočua (1879–1965) i upotrěbjena tako nazyvajemym Prěvodničskym komitetom, ktory zajmal se prěvodžen‌jem [[Biblija|Biblije]] i drugoj religioznoj literatury na abhazsky.<ref>{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Chochua_Abkhazskaya_azbuka_1909.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Ч̆оч̆уа | title = Аԥсуа Анбан, Абхазская азбука | place = Тифлисъ | publisher = Изданіе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1909}}</ref><ref name="Bgažba">{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 67}}</ref> Tutoj alfabet v istinnosti byl prodolžen‌je prvogo abhazskogo alfabeta [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] iz 1862 g., a največša razlika bylo koristan‌je brevisa za označen‌je palatalizacije; ranějše varianty upotrěbjali k tomu cělju bukvu {{-|'''[[Ј (kirilica)|ј]]'''}}, v tutom slučaju v formě dvuznakov {{Calibri|'''к̧j'''}} i {{Calibri|'''ӄј'''}}. == Kodovan‌je == Tuta bukva ne jestvuje kako samostojny znak v [[Unikod]]u. Zaměsto togo ona piše se kako '''Ӄ ӄ''' s kombinujučim brevisom: {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovan‌je ! style="font-size:large;" | {{-|Ӄ}} ! style="font-size:large;" | {{-|ӄ}} ! style="font-size:large;" | ◌̆ |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER KA WITH HOOK}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER KA WITH HOOK}} | {{-|COMBINING BREVE}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+04C3}} | {{-|U+04C4}} | {{-|U+0306}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1219 | 1220 | 774 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x4c3;</code> | <code>&amp;#x4c4;</code> | <code>&amp;#x306;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1219;</code> | <code>&amp;#1220;</code> | <code>&amp;#774;</code> |} {{Clear}} == Iztočniky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+04C3 | title = U+04C3 Cyrillic Capital Letter Ka with Hook | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+04C4 | title = U+04C4 Cyrillic Small Letter Ka with Hook | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} * {{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+0306 | title = U+0306 Combining Breve | website = codepoints.net | language = en}} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy К}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы]] {{INTERWIKI|Q134348796}} sdymqoswlce4ys5qyb6xhnr1pp8y8i2 0 3489 28932 22996 2026-07-16T21:48:45Z IJzeren Jan 9 28932 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Zhe with Diaeresis.svg | right | 240px]] '''Ӝ''', '''ӝ''' (''že s umlautom'' ili ''že s tremoju'') jest bukva [[Kirilica|kiriličnoj azbuky]], variant bukvy '''{{-|[[Ж]]}}''', od 1897 g. upotrěbjajema v [[Udmurtsky jezyk|udmurtskom jezyku]]. Ona označaje zvučnu postalveolarnu afrikatu {{MFA|d͡ʒ}} i služi kako tvrdy ekvivalent mekkoj bukvy '''[[Ӟ]]''' {{MFA|d͡ʑ}}. V standardu {{-|[[ISO 9]]}} latinizuje se kako '''{{-|z̄}}'''. Za bezzvučny ekvivalent tutoj bukvy udmurtsky takože imaje bukvu s umlautom: '''[[Ӵ]]''' {{MFA|t͡ʃ}}. Obyčno bukva '''Ӝ''' latinizuje se kako '''{{-|dž}}'''. Druge kirilične bukvy označajuče tuže samu glasku sut '''[[Џ]]''', '''[[Ԫ]]''', '''[[Ҷ]]''', '''[[Ҹ]]''', '''[[Ӌ]]''', '''[[Ӂ]]''' i '''[[Җ]]'''. <br clear=all /> == Kodovanje == {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovanje ! <big><big>{{-|Ӝ}}</big></big> ! <big><big>{{-|ӝ}}</big></big> |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{-|CYRILLIC CAPITAL LETTER ZHE WITH DIAERESIS}} | {{-|CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER ZHE WITH DIAERESIS}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{-|U+04DC}} | {{-|U+04DD}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 1244 | 1245 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#x4dc;</code> | <code>&amp;#x4dd;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#1244;</code> | <code>&amp;#1245;</code> |} {{Kirilica}} {{Varianty bukvy Ж}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|Ж]] [[Kategorija:Кириличне буквы|Ж]] {{INTERWIKI|Q425226}} a2iu4he6krv9xwb61yhwm5chzppyebr 0 3553 28883 28763 2026-07-16T12:20:24Z MwGamera 13 kir., style 28883 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic letter Twe.svg | right | 240px]] {{Calibri|'''Ꚍ''', '''ꚍ'''}} (''tve'') jest historična bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], osnovana na [[Grečsky alfabet|grečskoj]] bukvě ''tau'' ('''τ'''). Ona naleži k alfabetam razrabotanym [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotrom Uslarom]] za [[kavkazske jezyky]] [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazsky]], [[Lezginsky jezyk|lezginsky]] i [[Tabasaransky jezyk|tabasaransky]]. == Abhazsky == Bukva '''ꚍ''' prvično pojavila se v [[Abhazsky alfabet|abhazskom alfabetu]], stvorjenom [[Pjotr Uslar|Pjotra Uslara]] v lětah 1861–1862 g. i upotrěbjenom njim v jegovoj monografiji o [[Abhazsky jezyk|abhazskom jezyku]]. Pozdněje ona takože nahodila se v alfabetah Dmitrija Gulia i Konstantina Mačavariani, Andreja Čočua i Prěvodničskogo komiteta.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://docs.yandex.ru/docs/view?url=ya-disk-public%3A%2F%2FSHEPIfcSUDm6N9cbTjDQq5EJ%2BxndFVeLnXUon%2BjQhPw%3D&name=Uslar_K_Etnografiya_Kavkaza_Jazykoznanie_Abkhazsky_jazyk_1862.pdf | first = Петръ | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. Абхазскій языкъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1862 | page = 1}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Machavariani_Abkhazskaya_azbuka.pdf | first1 = Д.И. | last1 = Гулиа | first2 = К.Д. | last2 = Мачавариани | title = Абхазская азбука. Главнѣйшія молитвы и заповѣди на абхазскомъ и церковно-славянскомъ языкахъ | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1892 | pages = 13}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book | url = http://apsnyteka.org/file/Chochua_Abkhazskaya_azbuka_1909.pdf | first = А.М. | last = Ч̆оч̆уа | title = Аԥсуа Анбан, Абхазская азбука | place = Тифлисъ | publisher = Изданіе Кавказскаго Учебнаго Округа | year = 1909}}</ref><ref name="Bgažba">{{Cite book | url = https://yadi.sk/i/-cFRKsreuz7r3 | last = Бгажба | first = Х.С. | title = Из истории письменности в Абхазии | place = Тбилиси | year = 1967 | publisher = Мецниереба | language = ru | pages = 68}}</ref> Ona byla v upotrěbě do 1926 g., kogda vvedeny byl [[Latinica|latinsky alfabet]]. S ponovnym ustanovjen‌jem kirilice v 1954 g. jejno město zajel dvuznak '''ҭә''', označajuči labializovany bezzvučny alveolarny eksplosiv {{MFA|tʷ}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/abkhaz.htm | title = Abkhaz (аҧсуа бызшәа) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2025-11-30 | language = en}}</ref> V tyhže samyh lětah kako '''ꚍ''' v abhazskom alfabetu takože nahodila se bukva '''{{Calibri|[[ꚍ̆]]}}''', označajuča jegov ejektivny ekvivalent. == Lezginsky == Bukva '''ꚍ''' takože nahodila se v alfabetu, razrabotanom v 1871 Pjotrom Uslarom i Kazanfarom Zulfikarovom za [[lezginsky jezyk]]. Ona byla upotrěbjena v bukvaru iz 1871 g., v monografiji Uslara, izdanoj posmrtno v 1896 g. i několikyh drugyh izdan‌jah.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://www.lezgichal.ru/sites/default/files/media/Кюринская%20азбука.pdf | title = Кюринская азбука | first = Казанфар | last = Зульфикаров | place = Темиръ-Ханъ-Шура | year = 1871 | pages = 3}}</ref><ref>{{Cite book | url = https://runivers.ru/library/pdf/68151/ | first = П.К. | last = Усларъ | title = Этнографія Кавказа. Языкознаніе. VI. Кюринский язык | place = Тифлисъ | year = 1896 | publisher = Типографія канцеларіи Главноначальстующаго гражданскою частію на Кавказѣ | format = PDF | page = 13}}</ref> V sučasnoj lezginskoj ortografiji jejnu rolju izpolnjaje dvuznak {{-|'''тӀ'''}}, izgovorjeny kako ejektivny alveolarny eksplosiv {{MFA|t’}}.<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://www.omniglot.com/writing/lezgi.htm | title = Lezgi (лезги / лезги чӀал) | first = Simon | last = Ager | website = Omniglot.com | access-date = 2025-12-27 | language = en}}</ref> == Tabasaransky == Pjotr Uslar takože koristal bukvu '''ꚍ''' v svojem alfabetu za [[tabasaransky jezyk]], ktory jednakože iz pričiny smrti avtora nikgoda ne byl upotrěbjeny v praktikě, a jegova monografija o tutom jezyku byla izdana toliko v 1979 g. Zvuk označeny bukvoju '''ꚍ''' opisyvaje tako, že za Ꚍ jezyk ješče krěpěje pritiskaje se k zubam neželi za {{-|Т}}.» V sučasnoj tabasaranskoj ortografiji tutoj zvuk piše za bukvoju {{-|'''[[т]]'''}}, ili {{-|'''тт'''}} kogda to jest potrěbno za izběgan‌je homonimov.<ref>{{Cite book | url = https://cathedra.dgu.ru/Content/files/%D0%A4%D0%B8%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D1%84%D0%B0%D0%BA%D1%83%D0%BB%D1%8C%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%82/0882002_E79CF_uslar_p_k_tabasaranskiy_yazyk.pdf | first = П.К. | last = Услар | title = Табасаранский язык | place = Тбилиси | publisher = Мецниереба | year = 1979 | format = PDF | pages = 34–35, 37, 61}}</ref> == Galerija == {| |- style="vertical-align:top;" | rowspan="2" | [[Fajl:Abkhazian alphabet in von Uslar 1862.jpg | thumb | 380px | Abhazsky alfabet Uslara (1862)]] | colspan="2" | [[Fajl:Lezgi_alphabet,_1871.PNG | thumb | 470px | Lezginsky alfabet Uslara (1871)]] |- style="vertical-align:top;" | [[Fajl:Abkhazian alphabet in Chochua 1909.webp | thumb | 200px | Abhazsky alfabet Čočua (1909)]] | [[Fajl:Uslar - Tabasaran alphabet.png | thumb | 240px | Tabasaransky alfabet Uslara (1875)]] |} == Kodovan‌je == Bukvy '''Ꚍ''' i '''ꚍ''' byli dodane do versije 5.1 [[Unikod]]a v 2008 g. i nahodet se v bloku «Razširjena kirilica – B».<ref>{{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+A68C | title = U+A68C Cyrillic Capital Letter Twe | website = codepoints.net | access-date = 2025-12-27 | language = en}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web | url = https://codepoints.net/U+A68D | title = U+A68D Cyrillic Small Letter Twe | website = codepoints.net | access-date = 2025-12-27 | language = en}}</ref> {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! 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''Political Linguistic Analysis of Challenges to Turkish Soft Power in Kazakhstan'', [https://turansam.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/TURAN-SAM_58.pdf TURAN-SAM, issue 58] (pp. 259-267) [[az:İstifadəçi:Мурад 97]] [[ru:Участник:Мурад 97]] 6q1zf17oij747oz3mzp747r831f5knv 3 4531 28960 28846 2026-07-17T07:20:05Z DaveZ123 478 Odčinjenje versije [[Special:Diff/28846|28846]] od koristnika [[Special:Contributions/DaveZ123|DaveZ123]] ([[User talk:DaveZ123|besěda]]) 28960 wikitext text/x-wiki Будьте жывы-здоровы:-) If you are a contributor now, you can win the "Siberian prize". Voting every week on Fridays: http://samir74.livejournal.com/932177.html This is just some present from Siberia:-) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 09:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! But I'll have to read a lot of Siberian before I'll ever be able to contribute anything by myself. You know I was sort of cheating! ;) If there's anything that would warrant a "Siberian prize" for me, it would undoubtedly be my article on the Dutch wikipedia (which I'm quite satisfied with, to tell you the truth)! Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 21:08, 17 June 2006 (UTC) Hello! As soon as other admins will be allowed, we shall elect IJzeren Jan as A Honorable Siberian Wiki Admin:-)) --[[User:Yaroslav Zolotaryov|Yaroslav Zolotaryov]] 10:01, 4 September 2006 (UTC) :Thank you! :) In the meantime, please have a look at [[Test-WP/chal/Польской говор|this]] and correct my (undoubtedly numerous) errors. Cheers, [[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] 10:32, 4 September 2006 (UTC) Želajų vam zdravja i ščęstnosť! --[[User:Skorzeniewski|Skorzeniewski]] ([[User talk:Skorzeniewski|talk]]) 23:23, 4 October 2024 (UTC) :Hvala vam lěpo i vzajemno! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:32, 4 October 2024 (UTC) == Category:Users:By language:isv == Ahoj! Ja sozdaval [[:Category:Users:By language:isv]] - mysli že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl ne sut jeziki. Wp/isv nedostavaje kategoriju dla vse koristniki ktory mozhet pomogati. Zdes ne imajemo spisok vseh koristnikov, da? [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 15:14, 29 January 2025 (UTC) :Dobry denj! Da, toj problem ješče ne jest razrěšeny, že isv-Latn i isv-Cyrl uvažajut se odděljnymi jezykami. Myslju, že tuto vrěmenno razrěšenje jest dobro, a kogda MS Vikipedija bude realizovana, bude takože razrěšenje za tutu kvestiju. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:48, 30 January 2025 (UTC) == Meta "artificial language" == [[:meta:Talk:Language_proposal_policy#Replace_term_artificial_language_with_term_constructed_language]]. [[User:TutČas|TutČas]] ([[User talk:TutČas|talk]]) 10:59, 3 February 2025 (UTC) == Hvala za popravky! Slovo -dozvaljati iz slovnika == Pozdrav, Jan! Hvala za popravky v člankah. Slovo ''dozvaljati'' v slovniku koristaje korenj ''-val,'' ale čto mysliš o tom, že večinstvo prirodnyh jezykov koristajut korenj ''-vol.'' Togda kako korenj ''-val'' koristaje se v smyslu ''-valiti.'' Kako gledaju iz slovnika, jedino poljsky i belorussky směnili korenj na ''-val'' v tutom slovu. V russkom jezyku my govorimo дазвалять (prěmo kako belorusi pišut!), ale pišemo дозволять. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 09:35, 8 May 2025 (UTC) :Pozdrav! Da, v principu imaješ pravdu. Ale kombinacija dozvoliti/dozvoliti jest pytanje regularnosti. Uže davno jesmo izslědovali, kako najlěpje (i najregularněje) prěobratiti sovršene glagoly v nesovršene. Jesmo sdělali inventarizaciju srěd različnyh možnostij, napr. -iti > -jati, -iti > -ivati i t.d., s dolženjem prědhodnoj samoglasky ili bez. Nu i togda došli jesmo k izvodu, že najbolje razprostranjena opcija jest napr. odnoviti > odnavjati, razsmotriti > razsmatrjati, razgovoriti > razgovarjati, stvoriti > stvarjati, izvolniti > izvalnjati... Ale sejčas vidžu, že slovnik takože ne jest sovsim konsekventny: jest obvadnjati i odvadnjati, ale navodnjati. Tutčas myslju, že mogli byhmo formy dozvoljati, razgovorjati, dozvoljati dodati kako dodatočne formy. Ili daže dozvolivati, razgovorivati...? {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 22:01, 8 May 2025 (UTC) ::Hah, zajmlivo. Ja ne znal, že to byl generaly princip formovanja slovnika. Budu znati tutčas. Hvala za pojasnenje. ::Kako razumeju, prěměna glasok v korenju i jej pravila sut različne v različnyh slovjanskyh jezykah. ::V cělom, izhodeči iz filozofskyh principov formovanja MS (najvysša razumlivost za vseh slovjan), za mene dobra ideja jest koristanje form korenjev, ktore sut harakteristične za večšu kolikost jezykov. Ale, može byti, v něktoryh momentah možlivo takože shranjati prvonačelno pisanje korenja. ::Takože napriklad, v slučaju s ''obnoviti > obnavjati'' vidimo, že ukrajinsky, russky, cešsky, slovačsky, makedonsky i bulgarsky ne imajut prěmenu v ''-nov- > -nav-,'' kogda dodajemo sufiks ''-jati'' i shranjajut iznačelny korenj ''-nov-'' navet s sufiksom ''-jati'' ::A vot v slovu ''razgovarjati'' vo vseh jezykah, ktore koristajut tuty korenj (pomimo ukrajinskogo) jest prěmena korenja ''govor-govar'', kogda dodajemo prefiks (govoriti > razgovarjati) i tut koristanje prěměny samoglasky za mene izgledaje dobro. ::''obvodniti i obvadnjati'' takože kako i dozvoljati. Jedino poljsky i belorussky imajut prěměnu s sufiksom ''-jati'' s korenjem ''-vod-'' ::Dodatočne formy igledajut za mene lěpym variantom, ibo togda vně zavistnosti od togo, imaje li prěměnu korenj v prirodnom jezyku ili ne imaje, vsegda člověk smože najti slovo v slovniku, a ostalym to bude razumlivo. Možlivo koristati jedino universalno pravilo, ale togda pojavjajut se neprirodne formy za mnogyh jezykov. ::Ne znam, to jest velika diskusija. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:17, 9 May 2025 (UTC) :::takož napriklad :::''odobriti > odobrjati'' v slovniku shranjaje prvonačelny korenj, bez obriza na vid glagola i na sufiks ''-jati'' [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:55, 9 May 2025 (UTC) == Using the <nowiki><indicator></nowiki> tag == I went to your user page and found you were using <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF;position:absolute;top:-32px; right:1px;z-index:1">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</span></nowiki></code>. Conveniently, I was just researching how the [[:w:Template:top icon|Template:Top icon]] worked, and I found the <code><nowiki><indicator></nowiki></code> tag. So I decided to try to apply it here too. * I made one without the white span: <code><nowiki><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></nowiki></code> * Or with it, if you really need to have it for whatever reason: <code><nowiki><span style="background:#FFFFFF><indicator name="isv-mainpage">[[Image:Flag of Interslavic.svg|40px|link=Wp/isv/Glavna stranica]]</indicator></span></nowiki></code> [[User:Kxeon|Kxeon]] ([[User talk:Kxeon|talk]]) 02:22, 14 July 2025 (UTC) == Translation request == Hi, could you please translate this to Interslavic? Glosa is an artificial auxiliary language designed for international communication. It has several characteristics: * Its pronunciation is regular, and its spelling is phonetic. * Its structure is very simple and based on meaning. Thanks. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 13:33, 1 August 2025 (UTC) :Hey, it's been a while! Of course, no problem. And in return, you might want to write a few sentences about Interslavic in Basque, or Maltese, or whatever. Deal? ;-) :Anyway, here goes: : :Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom {{Wp/isv/-|(Ronald Clark)}} i Uendi Ešbi {{Wp/isv/-|(Wendy Ashby)}} na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :* regularny izgovor i fonetično pravopisanje, :* mnogo prostu strukturu osnovanu na značenju. : :Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC) ::I created the article in [[:scn:Interslavu|Sicilian]]. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 08:27, 9 August 2025 (UTC) :::Great, thank you @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]]! Just send me the rest of the Glosa text, because I can't imagine that was all. ;) Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:51, 9 August 2025 (UTC) ::::That's the rest: ::::* It is an analytical language with no inflections or genders. A small number of words handle grammatical relations. ::::* Above all, Glosa is neutral and truly international due to the use of Latin and Greek roots, which are used in the international scientific vocabulary. ::::[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 16:06, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::::Well then, @[[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]], here we go again, from the start: :::::Glosa jest umětny pomočny jezyk, stvorjeny v lětah 1972–1992 Ronaldom Klarkom i Uendi Ešbi na osnově jezyčnogo projekta Interglossa iz 1943 g. On imaje slědujuče harakteristiky: :::::* Izgovor jest regularny, a pravopisanje jest sovsěm regularno. :::::* Struktura jezyka jest mnogo prosta i osnovana na značenju. :::::* Glosa jest analitičny jezyk, bez fleksije i bez gramatičnyh rodov. Gramatične odnošenja oprěděljaje mala kolistkost slov. :::::* Prěd vsim, upotrěba latinskyh i grečskyh korenjev koristajemyh v medžunarodnoj naučnoj leksikě v jezyku glosa prijaje jegovomu nevtralnomu i zaisto medžunarodnomu harakteru. :::::I do have one question though: what exactly do you mean by "its structure is based on meaning"? Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 19:05, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == korektorska prosba == Pozdrav, pane Jan! Imaju tekst, ktory už něktory čas prěd tomu jesm prěklal na MS. Može byti, někogda sdělaju iz njego cělu knigu na MS... Mogu vas prositi ob korektrorskoj uslugě?🙂 Tekst ne jest veliky. Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 01:29, 12 August 2025 (UTC) :Očevidno, s prijemnostju! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:33, 12 August 2025 (UTC) ::[https://docs.google.com/document/d/1vpXbaDiSSONUf6VtqEmMwE5lRErHx3_dJOa9M2MaDSE/edit?usp=sharing Tut jest tekst] ::To ne jest doslovny prěvod iz kitajskogo, ale prosto interpretacija několikyh tekstov na anglijskom. Kak vy znajete, [[:en:Tao_Te_Ching|Tao Te Ching]] ne jest možlivo prěkladati bukvalno na moderne jezyky. Moj cělj byl sdělati razumlivy tekst, zatom vitaju popravjenja leksiky, pravopisa, frazeologizmov, i t d. ::Hvala. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 05:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC) :::Krasiva rabota! Budu pročitati, ale prěduprědžaju, že to ne bude na dnes ili zautra! S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:38, 14 August 2025 (UTC) == Volapük == Hi, sorry to bother you with these things but could you please: * delete [[:vo:Geban:Caro de Segeda/Jenotem Volapüka|this]] page? * [[:vo:Lifamod balugik|this]], [[:vo:Feil|this]] and [[:vo:Glüg Katulik|this]] articles? Thank you. As you can see they are quite short and I provided the text in English to make sure the translation is correct. [[User:Caro de Segeda|Caro de Segeda]] ([[User talk:Caro de Segeda|talk]]) 09:14, 20 October 2025 (UTC) == Big problem in the Interslavic community == Hello, Jan. I'm writing this to you as to member of Interslavic committee. I do have a problem that I would like to discuss privately first. I've sent you an email. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 14:44, 21 October 2025 (UTC) == Reasoning behind the odd choice of numerals == ''When added to other numbers, the number 1 has only one universal form jedna'' ''in all cases and the subject remains in the plural genitive.'' ''example: '''dvadesetjedna ljudij (N)''''' _{(I imagine there is a typo here, should be ''ljudi'' - Glěb)}''''', dvadesetjedna ljudij (G), dvadesetjedna''''' '''''ljudij (D), dvadesetjedna žen (G), ...''''' This is an extract from the 2023 Vojtěch Merunka's manual on Interslavic. I'm just curious, why was a choice in favor of one universal form made? The only Slavic language that somewhat has it is Slovenian, but even there it's a little bit different: '''''enaintrideset žena, enaintrideset mož.''''' If you would indulge me, I'd appreciate your thoughts. [[User:GlěbDyndar|GlěbDyndar]] ([[User talk:GlěbDyndar|talk]]) 04:40, 19 November 2025 (UTC) :Hey Glěb, I'll move this to the Krčma, as it can also be of interest to others. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 11:59, 20 November 2025 (UTC) == {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranice == Zdrav i ščestnogo Novogo Goda, Jan! Naděju se da budemo dobyti polnocěnnu Vikipediju čim skorěje, zato že redaktovanje na Inkubatoru mně jest katastrofično loše (prěd vsem, zaradi prefiksanja <code>Wp/isv/</code> vsim linkam). Može byti možlivo ovde sdělati lokalne versij {{Wp/isv/-|MediaWiki}} stranic ktore umožnjajut dodavanje osoblivyh medžuslovjanskyh bukv i standardnyh nazv za razděly člankov (plus "Takože" za "{{Wp/isv/-|See also}}") podobno ovomu: https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/MediaWiki:Edittools ? Jesm priučil se funkciji razširjenja za [https://isv.miraheze.org/wiki/Med%C5%BEuviki:Pomo%C4%8D/Metoda_vpisa metodu vpisa], jest bylo prostěje i bystrěje pisati članky. Lěpy pozdrav. – [[User:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[User talk:Vipz|talk]] · [[User:Vipz/isv|isv]]) 08:24, 6 January 2026 (UTC) :@[[User:Vipz|Vipz]] Zdravo, i tobě takože želaju ščestlivogo novogo goda! Čto se tyče Edittools, jesm suglasny, že to trěba iměti, ale ne znaju, jest li možno zainstalovati tako něčto v Inkubatoru. I često govoreči, ne jesm uvěrjeny, imaje li to smysl tutčas (v oktobru 2024 ješče naivno myslil jesm, že naš vlastny domen bude može tri ili četyri měsecev pozdněje). Ale ako toj domen bude, absoluto povinno jest byti to orudje. <br /> Ale ne razuměju točno, v čem jest problem s <code>Wp/isv/</code>. V člankah ne trěba togo pisati, ibo sistema sama dodavaje. Samo v šablonah i na besědnyh stranicah trěba to dodati. S pozdravom, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 12:38, 7 January 2026 (UTC) == Одиссеј, Одиссејa == Ne imaje byti jedno "s", Odisej, Odiseja? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 07:57, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :Dobro pytanje. Često govoreči, jesm sumněval. V principu da, v medžuslovjanskom vsegda imajemo pojedinnu suglasku. Ale v slučaju imen jest trohu inako. V ukrajinskom na priklad jest Одіссей, ne Одісей. Ale imaješ pravdu, že značno večinstvo jezykov imaje jedno s. Izměnju to, hvala! {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 08:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::Hvala, Jane, a čto Rosija, ne Rossija že? [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:44, 4 February 2026 (UTC) ::i Одеса na ukrajinskom ne jest Одесса kako v ostalyh jeyzkah [[User:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[User talk:Ilja isv|talk]]) 12:46, 4 February 2026 (UTC) :::Ne ne, Rosija imaje dva '''s''' samo v russkom, vse ostale jezyky imajut jedno. I nakoliko vidžu, s Odesoju menje-bolje jest tako samo. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 00:50, 5 February 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic WP sibling projects == Hi @[[User:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] ! I see you are very productive with interslavic WP https://meta.toolforge.org/catanalysis/index.php?cat=0&title=Wp/isv&wiki=incubatorwiki and I wonder if you would be interested in developing other Interslavic WP sibling projects? I would be interested in Wikivoyage and Wikinews myself. [[User:Zblace|Zblace]] ([[User talk:Zblace|talk]]) 05:26, 17 March 2026 (UTC) :Zdravo @[[User:Zblace|Zblace]]! It could be interesting, but if I'm being honest, I am sceptical about the odds for success. You see, those sister projects tend to attract only a fraction of the number of people who work on Wikipedia. With the exception of some of the largest languages, Wikinews is a total failure. For example, the Dutch Wikipedia has hundreds of regular, active users and is among the largest Wikipedias. The Dutch Wikinews, on the other hand, is probably going to be closed for the third time for lack of activity. I am not very familiar with Wikivoyage, but the situation there doesn't seem to be much better. So realistically speaking, any sister project in Interslavic is doomed to become a solo project before dying out entirely, and therefore it is highly unlikely that it will ever leave the Incubator. If you seriously intend to work on one of them, you are of course free to give it a try, but if you ask me, it would be much more worthwhile if we all concentrate on the Interslavic Wikipedia. Cheers, {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 09:54, 17 March 2026 (UTC) == Interslavic Wikipedia Approval == Hello! Did you already know that Jon Harald Søby published https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Language_committee#c-Jon_Harald_Søby-20260615143400-Notification_about_proposed_approval_of_Interslavic_Wikipedia and that Interslavic Wikipedia will finally be approved in a week? People have been waiting for two years, and it's finally almost here! Cheers :) [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35330-09|&#126;2026-35330-09]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35330-09|talk]]) 12:47, 16 June 2026 (UTC) :By the way, I noticed a strange error. Why is Wp/isv called "medžuslovjansky Wikipedia" in the English incubator, not "Interslavic Wikipedia"? Why did "Interslavic" become "medžuslovjansky"? The same error, by the way, appears on your account page. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35418-38|&#126;2026-35418-38]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35418-38|talk]]) 13:39, 16 June 2026 (UTC) ::Yes, I am aware of that. Thank you. As for the other problem, that's to be sorted out. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 13:19, 17 June 2026 (UTC) :::I've got an interesting idea. Is it technically possible for Wikipedia to automatically show Cyrillic text when people open it from Russia, Ukraine, or Bulgaria, while automatically showing Latin text when they open it from Poland, Slovakia, or Croatia? I think this would slow down the influx of users from Cyrillic Slavic countries. I think if they open a text in Latin, they won't even want to read it; they'll immediately think it's incomprehensible. But if they see it in Cyrillic, they'll automatically try to read it, understand a lot, and become interested in the language. [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-35720-77|&#126;2026-35720-77]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-35720-77|talk]]) 03:05, 19 June 2026 (UTC) :::''Approved! 🎉''! [[Special:Contributions/&#126;2026-36378-17|&#126;2026-36378-17]] ([[User talk:&#126;2026-36378-17|talk]]) 15:04, 23 June 2026 (UTC) == Ja jesm někako slomil Krčmu == Prosim smilovati, ide li to izpraviti? [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 16:27, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :Ne jesi ničto slomil! V Krčmě nikogda ne bylo opcije "odgovoriti", ibo to ne jest besědna stranica. :) {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:39, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) :@[[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]]: kako vidiš, tu na mojej besědnoj stranici jest ta opcija. Druga razlika jest, že na besědnyh stranicah rabotaje opcija "@", a v Krčmě uže ne. I tu podpis javi se avtomatično. Teoretično možno jest prěobratiti Krčmu v besědnu stranicu, togda te možnosti budut dostupne. {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 16:42, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) ::Sdělano, lp. – [[Koristnik:Vipz|Vipz]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Vipz|besěda]]) 05:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) :::Hvala velika! [[Koristnik:Ilja isv|Ilja isv]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Ilja isv|besěda]]) 07:16, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Blagodarnost == @[[Koristnik:IJzeren Jan|IJzeren Jan]] Považeny Pane Jane ja jesm priključil se k projektu toliko zaradi Vašego intervju panji Olgě Woźńiak "Językotworzenie: jak słowa tworzą nowe światy" i ja jesm gluboko blagodarny Vam kako za to intervju, tako i za pomoč v prověrkě mojih člankov v Inkubatorě. Ne smotrječi na to, že ja jesm znal o MS jezyku mnogo-mnogo lět, toliko Vaše intervju jest pobudilo mene pisati i izučati jego iznovo. Svoja Vikipedija to jest ogromny krok k razvitju našej občej literaturnoj normy i k stvorjenju literatury na medžuslovjanskom jezyku, čto dozvoli projektu žiti dalěje. Nehaj medžuslovjanska sila bude s Vami! 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) [[Koristnik:Panslavist|Panslavist]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Panslavist|besěda]]) 18:11, 25 junij 2026 (CEST) == Translations == Hi! Здраво! Lately I have been translating special pages and namespaces. I noticed that an inter-Slavic Wikipedia was created (since I am from Ukraine myself) and I was very happy. So, I want to offer localization for this Wiki, all I need is a list of the necessary special pages and namespaces with their translation. If translation is still needed, then tag me under the list. [[Koristnik:VadymTS1|VadymTS1]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:VadymTS1|besěda]]) 07:53, 26 junij 2026 (CEST) == Izbor Dnja Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? == Pozdrav dragy gospodine Jane! Kako my vsi znajemo, ljudi v čatah někogda imajut pytanje, kogda jest svetok Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka, i to jest dobro. Na čatah v Keetu i Telegramu něktori ljudi htěli, žeby někto spytal o tom Jana, i tomu ja pišem. Něktori ljudi pytajut, či 23 Junja – to je denj tvorjenja MS Wiki, bude izbrany kako Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? Ini ljudi pytajut, či potrěbno imati MS Denj akurat na Denj Kirila i Metodija. Drugi ljudi pytajut, či jest pravilno 03 Junja imati Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka? Budu napisati historiju togo: Priblizno 3 lěta tomu nazad něktori ljudi počeli govorili v Diskordu o tom, že možno slaviti Dnje Konferencije CISLA, kde byli sjedinene različne projekty v jedin Medžuslovjansky jezyk. Kako my znajemo, CISLA byla v početku 6 měseca: od 01.06 i dalje ješče několiko dnej. Ljudi v čatu počeli čestitati 03.06, tomu čto 01.06 i 02.06 sut zajete drugymi medžunarodnymi svetkami, a cifra tri ima prědnost, to jest božska cifra. Ja jesm takož byla prisutna pri tamtyh razgovorah na Diskordu, to byl odvorjeny razgovor za vsih ohotnyh i prisutnyh tam ljudij. Tako něktori ljudi počeli imati Neoficialny Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka i slavili 03 Junja. Potom toj neoficialny denj pošel dalje: něktori ljudi slavili jego na živo na 2 shodkah, kde ja jesm takož byla prisutna. Jedin iz učestnikov FSK (Foruma Slovjanskyh Kultur), «Biblioteka inostrannoj literatury – Centr slovjanskyh kultur», imal mnogo učestnikov na shodkě, ktori slavili 03.06 kako Denj Msa tomu čto vzeli informaciju i inspriraciju o tom iz oficijnogo Diskorda (https://libfl.ru/ru/news/v-inostranke-obsudili-mezhslavyanskiy-yazyk). V prědhodno lěto tam bylo takož, s 60 učestnikami. Ako my vidimo, razvoj MSa ide prirodno i někogda iventy tvoret se prirodno. Ale ljudam takože jest prirodno potrěbno poznati, kaky Denj jest pravilny? Najprijetnějše za ljudi jest, že by Jan označil kaky denj jest oficijny svetok Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka. (Ja jesm uvěrjena, ni jedin člověk ne bude smutny ako Denj bude ne v toj denj ktory uže byl, abo v toj denj ktory uže byl. Vse varianty sut dobre). Prosimo vas dragy Jane, naznačite oficijny svetok v někaky denj, ktory budemo slaviti vsako lěto kako Denj Medžuslovjanskogo jezyka. Vsaky variant jest dobry i bude radost to imati. 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style="background-color: #ffcccc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]] |- | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&oldid=27401&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&oldid=27402&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&oldid=27403&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&oldid=27404&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&oldid=27405&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Šablony/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&oldid=27406&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] |- | [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|zapisky]] |} == Kolory (semafor) == ; <code style="background-color: #ffcccc;">#ffcccc</code> : Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany šablon (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ffffcc;">#ffffcc</code> : Razvivany šablon jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ccffcc;">#ccffcc</code> : Pěskovišče jest vakantno hu9t5tasubropt1wonle80omnjnstx0 28976 28967 2026-07-17T08:39:56Z Polda18 18 Ina sistema 28976 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}} == Razvivanje šablonov == {| class="wikitable plainlinks" style="width: 100%;" ! 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NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> </pre> Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula. cvz52gkrssozgtc6ue7wqh40y85rms3 28894 28892 2026-07-16T14:38:44Z Polda18 18 Pěskovišče 1 jest upotrěbjeno 28894 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}} Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programovačnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije. == Razvivanje modulov == {| class="wikitable plainlinks" style="width: 100%;" ! style="background-color: #ffcccc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]] |- | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&oldid=27407&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&oldid=27408&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&oldid=27409&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&oldid=27410&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&oldid=27411&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&oldid=27412&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] |- | [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|zapisky]] |} == Kolory (semafor) == ; <code style="background-color: #ffcccc;">#ffcccc</code> : Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ffffcc;">#ffffcc</code> : Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ccffcc;">#ccffcc</code> : Pěskovišče jest vakantno == Zaglavje == Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]: {{/Zaglavje}} V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto: <pre> {{../Zaglavje}} <!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> </pre> Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula. 08cohb8mnrsnphoyeykx0l4ahe1tbhk 28952 28894 2026-07-17T03:29:33Z Polda18 18 Dokumentacija modulov 28952 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}} Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programovačnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije. == Razvivanje modulov == {| class="wikitable plainlinks" style="width: 100%;" ! style="background-color: #ffcccc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]] |- | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&oldid=27407&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&oldid=27408&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&oldid=27409&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&oldid=27410&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&oldid=27411&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&oldid=27412&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] |- | [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|zapisky]] |} == Kolory (semafor) == ; <code style="background-color: #ffcccc;">#ffcccc</code> : Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ffffcc;">#ffffcc</code> : Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ccffcc;">#ccffcc</code> : Pěskovišče jest vakantno == Zaglavje == Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]: {{/Zaglavje}} V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto: <pre> {{../Zaglavje}} <!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> </pre> Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula. == Dokumentacija == Podstranica <code><nowiki>[[/zapisky]]</nowiki></code> každogo pěskovišča jest dokumentacijeju tutogo modula. Kako jest pěskovišče vakantno, dokumentacija ne jest vidima. Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>..[[/Dokumentacija]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>. rzabr7500q2igmivkfgwoc4o435lgbc 28958 28952 2026-07-17T06:41:52Z Polda18 18 zabluda 28958 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}} Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije. == Razvivanje modulov == {| class="wikitable plainlinks" style="width: 100%;" ! style="background-color: #ffcccc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]] |- | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&oldid=27407&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&oldid=27408&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&oldid=27409&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&oldid=27410&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&oldid=27411&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&oldid=27412&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] |- | [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|zapisky]] | [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|zapisky]] |} == Kolory (semafor) == ; <code style="background-color: #ffcccc;">#ffcccc</code> : Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ffffcc;">#ffffcc</code> : Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ccffcc;">#ccffcc</code> : Pěskovišče jest vakantno == Zaglavje == Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]: {{/Zaglavje}} V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto: <pre> {{../Zaglavje}} <!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> </pre> Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula. == Dokumentacija == Podstranica <code><nowiki>[[/zapisky]]</nowiki></code> každogo pěskovišča jest dokumentacijeju tutogo modula. Kako jest pěskovišče vakantno, dokumentacija ne jest vidima. Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>..[[/Dokumentacija]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>. bq6wn7fxnoc63b1o13w3jyu1gnw1rvo 28975 28958 2026-07-17T08:37:36Z Polda18 18 /* Razvivanje modulov */ ina sistema 28975 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Koristnik:Polda18/zaglavje}} Tuto pěskovišče ne imaje premo funkcionalny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, to jest samo prědloženje dlja administratorov Vikipedije. == Razvivanje modulov == {| class="wikitable plainlinks" style="width: 100%;" ! style="background-color: #ffcccc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 1/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 2/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 3/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 4/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 5/]] ! style="background-color: #ccffcc;" | [[/Pěskovišče 6/]] |- | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 1|action=edit&oldid=27407&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 2|action=edit&oldid=27408&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 3|action=edit&oldid=27409&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 4|action=edit&oldid=27410&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 5|action=edit&oldid=27411&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] | [{{fullurl:Koristnik:Polda18/Pěskovišče/Moduly/Pěskovišče 6|action=edit&oldid=27412&summary=Izčrknutje%20pěskovišča}} Izčrknuti pěskovišče] |- | [[/Pěskovišče 1/zapisky|Zapisky]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[/Pěskovišče 2/zapisky|Zapisky]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[/Pěskovišče 3/zapisky|Zapisky]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[/Pěskovišče 4/zapisky|Zapisky]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[/Pěskovišče 5/zapisky|Zapisky]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[/Pěskovišče 6/zapisky|Zapisky]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> |- | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1|Link modula]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 2|Link modula]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 3|Link modula]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 4|Link modula]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 5|Link modula]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 6|Link modula]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> |- | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 1/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 2/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 3/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 4/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 5/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> | [[Koristnik:Polda18/Modul:Pěskovišče 6/Dokumentacija|Dokumentacija]] <nowiki>[X]</nowiki> |} == Kolory (semafor) == ; <code style="background-color: #ffcccc;">#ffcccc</code> : Pěskovišče sodrživa aktivno razvivany modul (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ffffcc;">#ffffcc</code> : Razvivany modul jest skoro gotovy, samo potrěbuje jedino drobne pravky ili popravky (čitajte zapisky pěskovišča dlja veče informacije) ; <code style="background-color: #ccffcc;">#ccffcc</code> : Pěskovišče jest vakantno == Zaglavje == Kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, na vrhu stranice vy uvidite [[/Zaglavje|tuten moj koristničsky šablon]]: {{/Zaglavje}} V izvornom kodu jest tuten šablon napisany takto: <pre> {{../Zaglavje}} <!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> </pre> Pod tutym šablonom jest vvedeny samotny izvorny kod modula. Izvorny kod obsegaje komentare, ktore izjasnet funkciju modula. == Dokumentacija == Podstranica <code><nowiki>[[/zapisky]]</nowiki></code> každogo pěskovišča jest dokumentacijeju tutogo modula. Kako jest pěskovišče vakantno, dokumentacija ne jest vidima. Samo kako jest pěskovišče upotrěbjeno, dokumentacija jest vstavjena koristničskom šablonom <code><nowiki>{{</nowiki>..[[/Dokumentacija]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki></code>. a7rixaimua95eazlxsvg3pdlyw97roq 2 4605 28966 27401 2026-07-17T07:40:58Z Polda18 18 Novy šablon: Tablička (početok razvivanja) 28966 wikitext text/x-wiki <div align="center"> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:{{{podklad|#ffccff}}}; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon code.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! 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NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> <pre> -- Bude dopolneno </pre> ---- Dokumentacija vidi [[/zapisky|tu]]. thbgvhdaxtz4l99n26oueft85uv9k71 28906 28905 2026-07-16T16:58:14Z Polda18 18 Vvodny komentar 28906 wikitext text/x-wiki {{../Zaglavje}} <!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> <pre> --[[ Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov. Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov. Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji. ]] -- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor. -- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom. -- Bude dopolneno... </pre> ---- Dokumentacija vidi [[/zapisky|tu]]. 3p2ql53iesysrc7mflhcyhsxf76c6eb 28962 28906 2026-07-17T07:31:39Z Polda18 18 Šablon dokumentacije 28962 wikitext text/x-wiki {{../Zaglavje}} <!-- PROSIMO! NEIZČRKNITE TUTO STRANICU BEZ PRIVOLJENJA VLASTNIKA, TAKO ŽE KORISTNIKA POLDA18 --> <pre> --[[ Dobrodošli na pěskovišču modulov. Tuten modul možete upotrěbiti na testovanje različnyh funkcij programističnogo jezyka Lua i na razvivanje vlastnyh modulov. Kako toliko budete gotovi s vašimi eksperimentami, ne zabudite na povračenje vaših pravok, načto vy možete upotrěbiti link v dokumentaciji. ]] -- PROSIMO, NE MĚNJAJTE REDKY VYŠE! ČEKOLVEK NIŽE JEST VAKANTNO DLJA EKSPERIMENTOV. Kak uvidite někaku primětku od někakogo koristnika, že on rabotaje na něčemu, prosimo, prvo napišite na jego koristničsku besědu pytanje, či vy možete upotrěbiti tuten prostor. -- Eksperimentalny prostor počina niže pod tutym redkom. -- Bude dopolneno... </pre> {{../Dokumentacija}} mc2iqexyy8xrafdx96xfva659cgj6ou 0 4636 28985 28092 2026-07-17T10:13:00Z Ilja isv 10 28985 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Saitama restaurant calligraphic menu.jpg|thumb|Kaligrafično menju restorana v prefekturě Saitama s koristanjem tradicijnyh čislovnikov.]] {{nihongo|'''Japonske čislovniky'''|数詞|sūshi}} sut [[Čislovnik (lingvistika)|čislovniky]], koristane v [[Japonsky jezyk|japonskom jezyku]]. V pismennosti oni sut jednake s [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]], a velike čisla slědujut kitajskomu stilju s grupovanjem po 10,000. Koristajut se dva izgovory: sino-japonsko čitanje [[Kitajsko pismo|kitajskyh hieroglifov]] ([[On'yomi|{{lang|en|on'yomi}}]]) i japonsko čitanje {{lang|en|[[Wago|yamato kotoba]]}} (rodne slova, {{lang|en|[[kun'yomi]]}}). ==Čisla v japonskom jezyku== Sut dva sposoby, kako pisati čisla v japonskom jezyku, [[Arabske cifry|arabskymi ciframi]] (1, 2, 3) ili [[Kitajske čislovniky|kitajskymi čislovnikami]] ({{lang|zh|一}}, {{lang|zh|二}}, {{lang|zh|三}}). Arabske cifry sut vyše često koristane pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|horizontalnom pisanju]], a kitajske čisla sut vyše obyčajne pri [[Horizontalno i vertikalno pisanje v Iztočno aziatskoj pismennosti|vertikalnom pisanju]]. Věčšinstvo cifr imaje dva čitanja, kako i večšinstvo [[Kitajsko pismo|kandži]], to, ktoro jest izvedeno od kitajskogo čitanja, koristaje se za redne čislovniky ([[on'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|On}}]] ) a rodno japonsko čitanje ([[kun'yomi|čitanje {{lang|en|Kun}}]]) koristaje se nemnogo menje formalno za čisla do 10. V něktoryh slučajah (privedenyh dole), japonsko čitanje obyčno jest preferovano za vse izkoristanja. Arhaične čitanja sut označene †. {| class="wikitable nounderlines" ! Čislo ! Znak ! Izgovor {{lang|en|On}} ! Izgovor {{lang|en|Kun}}<ref>{{cite book |script-title=ja:スーパー大辞林 |trans-title=Super [[Daijirin]] |language=ja |publisher=[[Sanseidō]] }}</ref> ! Prědnostny izgovor |- | align="right" | [[0]] | {{lang|ja|零}} / {{lang|ja|〇}}{{sup|*}} | {{Nihongo||れい|rei}} | {{Nihongo||まる|maru}} | {{Nihongo||ゼロ|zero}} ([[Pozajetje (lingvistika)|pozajetje]], {{lang|en|[[Loanwords in Japanese|gairaigo]]}}) |- | align="right" | [[1]] | {{lang|ja|一}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} | {{Nihongo||ひと・つ|hito(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||いち|ichi}} |- | align="right" | [[2]] | {{lang|ja|二}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} | {{Nihongo||ふた・つ|futa(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||に|ni}} |- | align="right" | [[3]] | {{lang|ja|三}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} | {{Nihongo||みっ・つ|mit(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||さん|san}} |- | align="right" | [[4]] | {{lang|ja|四}} | {{Nihongo||し|shi}} | {{lang|en|yon}}, {{Nihongo||よん、よっ・つ|yot(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||よん|yon}} |- | align="right" | [[5]] | {{lang|ja|五}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} | {{Nihongo||いつ・つ|itsu(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ご|go}} |- | align="right" | [[6]] | {{lang|ja|六}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} | {{Nihongo||むっ・つ|mut(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||ろく|roku}} |- | align="right" | [[7]] | {{lang|ja|七}} | {{Nihongo||しち|shichi}} | {{Nihongo||なな・つ|nana(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||なな|nana}} |- | align="right" | [[8]] | {{lang|ja|八}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} | {{Nihongo||やっ・つ|yat(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||はち|hachi}} |- | align="right" | [[9]] | {{lang|ja|九}} | {{lang|ja|ku}}, {{Nihongo||く, きゅう|kyū}} | {{Nihongo||ここの・つ|kokono(tsu)}} | {{Nihongo||きゅう|kyū}} |- | align="right" | [[10]] | {{lang|ja|十}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} | {{Nihongo||とお|tō}} | {{Nihongo||じゅう|jū}} |- | align="right" | [[20 (number)|20]] | {{lang|ja|二十}} | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} | {{Nihongo||はた|hata}}† | {{Nihongo||にじゅう|ni-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[30 (number)|30]] | {{lang|ja|三十}} | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} | {{Nihongo||みそ|miso}}† | {{Nihongo||さんじゅう|san-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[40 (number)|40]] | {{lang|ja|四十}} | {{Nihongo||しじゅう|shi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||よそ|yoso}}† | {{Nihongo||よんじゅう|yon-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[50 (number)|50]] | {{lang|ja|五十}} | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} | {{Nihongo||いそ|iso}}† | {{Nihongo||ごじゅう|go-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[60 (number)|60]] | {{lang|ja|六十}} | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||むそ|muso}}† | {{Nihongo||ろくじゅう|roku-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[70 (number)|70]] | {{lang|ja|七十}} | {{Nihongo||しちじゅう|shichi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ななそ|nanaso}}† | {{Nihongo||ななじゅう|nana-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[80 (number)|80]] | {{lang|ja|八十}} | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} | {{Nihongo||やそ|yaso}}† | {{Nihongo||はちじゅう|hachi-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[90 (number)|90]] | {{lang|ja|九十}} | {{Nihongo||くじゅう|ku-jū}} | {{Nihongo||ここのそ|kokonoso}}† | {{Nihongo||きゅうじゅう|kyū-jū}} |- | align="right" | [[100]] | {{lang|ja|百}} | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||もも|momo}}† | {{Nihongo||ひゃく|hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[500 (number)|500]] | {{lang|ja|五百}} | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} | {{Nihongo||いお|io}}† | {{Nihongo||ごひゃく|go-hyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[800 (number)|800]] | {{lang|ja|八百}} | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} | {{Nihongo||やお|yao}}† | {{Nihongo||はっぴゃく|hap-pyaku}} |- | align="right" | [[1000 (number)|1,000]] | {{lang|ja|千}} | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} | {{Nihongo||ち|chi}}† | {{Nihongo||せん|sen}} |- | align="right" | [[10,000]] | {{lang|ja|万}} | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} | {{Nihongo||よろず|yorozu}}† | {{Nihongo||まん|man}} |- | align="right" | [[100,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|億}} | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |— | {{Nihongo||おく|oku}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)#1012|1,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|兆}} | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |— | {{Nihongo||ちょう|chō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|京}} | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |— | {{Nihongo||けい|kei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|100,000,000,000,000,000,000]] | {{lang|ja|垓}} | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |— | {{Nihongo||がい|gai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁴]] | {{lang|ja|𥝱}} | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょ|jo}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10²⁸]] | {{lang|ja|穣}} | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |— | {{Nihongo||じょう|jō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³²]] | {{lang|ja|溝}} | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |— | {{Nihongo||こう|kō}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10³⁶]] | {{lang|ja|澗}} | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |— | {{Nihongo||かん|kan}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁰]] | {{lang|ja|正}} | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |— | {{Nihongo||せい|sei}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁴]] | {{lang|ja|載}} | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |— | {{Nihongo||さい|sai}} |- | align="right" | [[Orders of magnitude (numbers)|10⁴⁸]] | {{lang|ja|極}} | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |— | {{Nihongo||ごく|goku}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Imaje se takože specialno čitanje 〇 ({{-|''maru''}}), čto označaje "krugly" ili "krug". Ono može koristati se opcionalno, kogda čitajut se odděljene cifry v nomeru jedna po jednoj, vměsto vsego čisla. Polpularnym priměrom jest [[109 (trgovy dom)|znamenity magazin "109"]] v četvrti [[Shibuya|Šibuja, Tokio]], ktory čitaje se kako {{lang|en|ichi-maru-kyū}} (Kandži: {{lang|ja|一〇九}}). (On takože može čitati se kako 'deset-devet'— izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|tō-kyū}} — čto jest igra slov s nazvanjem tokijskogo trgovogo doma, ktory vladaje budynkom.) Tuto izkoristanje {{lang|en|maru}} za čislnu 0 jest podobno poněkogdomu čitanju čisla 0 v anglijskom jezyku kako {{-| ''oh''}}. Jednakože, kako čislo, jego jedino zapisyvajut kako 0 ili {{Nihongo|零|{{-|rei}}}}. Čtovyše, dva i pet izgovarjajut s dolgoju samoglaskoju v telefoničnyh nomerah (napr. {{lang|ja|にい}} {{lang|en|nī}} i {{lang|ja|ごお}} {{lang|en|gō}}). Čisla poslě {{lang|en|kei}} koristajut rědko. Tym ne menje, oni sut prědstavjene tut.</small> Kako odměčaje se vyše, {{lang|en|yon}} (4) i {{lang|en|nana}} (7) sut uprědnostnjene nad {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}}. Prědpokladaje se, že tuto jest svezano s tym, že {{lang|en|shi}} jest takože čitanjem slova 死 (smrt), čto děljae jego neščestlivym čitanjem (gledite [[tetrafobija]]); dokolě {{lang|en|shichi}} može zvučati velmi slično s {{lang|en|ichi}} (1), {{lang|en|shi}} ili {{lang|en|hachi}} (8). Jednakože, v cělom redu stanovjenyh slov i rěčenij, {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} sut stale preferovane; tako, pri sčitanju (kako v {{lang|en|"ichi, ni, san, shi,..."}}), {{lang|en|shi}} i {{lang|en|shichi}} mogut iměti prědnost. Čislo 9 takože mněvaje se nesčestlivym; kogda izgovarjaje se {{lang|en|ku}}, ono sozvučno 苦 (stradanje). Čislo 13 poněkogda mněvaje se nesčestlivym, ale jest to kalka [[Triskaidekafobia|zapadnoj tradicije]]. Naprotiv, 7 i poněkogda 8 mněvajut se sčestlivymi u japoncev.<ref>{{Cite web|url=https://lingualift.com/blog/lucky-unlucky-numbers-japan/|title=The number of death: Lucky and unlucky numbers in Japan|website=The Science of Language Self-Study {{!}} LinguaLift Blog|access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> V sovrěmennom japonskom jezyku, redne čislovniky pomimo 4 i 7 sut obyčno koristane v čitanju {{lang|en|on}}. Alternativno čitanje byvaje v nazvah měsecev, čislah dnjev v měsecu i stalyh izrazah; napriměr, april, julij, i september nazyvajut se {{lang|en|'''shi'''-gatsu}} (4. měsec), {{lang|en|'''shichi'''-gatsu}} (7. měsec), i {{lang|en|'''ku'''-gatsu}} (9. měsec). Čitanja {{lang|en|on}} takože koristajut pri prěklikanju dlja samosčitanja ljudij (nap. {{lang|en|ichi-ni-san-shi}}). Večši čisla stvarjajut, kombinujuči tute elementy: *desetky od 20 do 90 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-jū}}" kako od {{Nihongo|二十|{{-|ni-jū}}}} do {{Nihongo|九十|{{-|kyū-jū}}}}. *sotky od 200 do 900 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-hyaku}}". *tyseče od 2000 do 9000 sut "(cifra){{lang|en|-sen}}". Počinajuči od {{Nihongo|miriady|万}}, čisla začinajut se s {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, ako ne jest prisutna ina cifra. Tako, 100 bude prosto {{Nihongo|百|{{-|hyaku}}}}, 1000 jest prosto {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}}, ale 10000 uže{{Nihongo|一万|{{-|ichiman}}}}, vměsto prosto {{lang|en|man}}. (Tuto odličaje se od [[Kitajsky jezyk|kitajskogo jezyka]], kde čisla začinajut se s {{lang|zh|一}} ako ne jest druga ina cifra prěd njeju, uže od 100.) I jestli {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} neposrědnje prědhodi kolikosti [[Miriada|miriad]], prěd {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} obyčno dodavajut {{Nihongo|一|{{-|ichi}}}}, čto davaje {{Nihongo|一千|{{-|issen}}}}. Tako, 10,000,000 (bukvalno 1000,0000) obyčno čitajut kako {{Nihongo|一千万|{{-|issenman}}}}. Ale ako {{Nihongo|千|{{-|sen}}}} ''ne'' premo prědhodi kolikosti myriad, dodavanje {{Nihongo|一|ichi}}jest opcionalno. Tako, 15,000,000 (1500,0000) čitaje se kako {{Nihongo|千五百万|sengohyakuman}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百万|issengohyakuman}}, ravno i kako 1500 čitaje se {{Nihongo|千五百|sengohyaku}} ili {{Nihongo|一千五百|issengohyaku}}. Sut i něktore fonetične modifikacije v ozvučanju něktoryh velikyh čisel, [[Oglasovanje i obezglasovanje suglasok|oglasovanje]] ili [[gemacija]] něktoryh suglasok, kako to često byvaje v japonskom jezyku (napr. {{lang|en|[[rendaku]]}}): napr. {{lang|en|roku}} "šest" i {{lang|en|hyaku}} "sto" dělajut {{lang|en|roppyaku}} "šestsot". {| class="wikitable" ! × !! 1 !! 2 !! 3 !! 4 !! 5 !! 6 !! 7 !! 8 !! 9 !! 10 !! 100 !! 1000 |- | align="right" | 100 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyaku, ippyaku}} | {{lang|en|nihyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanbyaku}} | {{lang|en|yonhyaku}} | {{lang|en|gohyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|roppyaku}} | {{lang|en|nanahyaku}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|happyaku}} | {{lang|en|kyūhyaku}} |— |— |— |- | align="right" | 1,000 | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sen, issen}} | {{lang|en|nisen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|sanzen}} | {{lang|en|yonsen}} | {{lang|en|gosen}} | {{lang|en|rokusen}} | {{lang|en|nanasen}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hassen}} | {{lang|en|kyūsen}} | — | — | — |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|12}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|itchō}} | {{lang|en|nichō}} | {{lang|en|sanchō}} | {{lang|en|yonchō}} | {{lang|en|gochō}} | {{lang|en|rokuchō}} | {{lang|en|nanachō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hatchō}} | {{lang|en|kyūchō}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jutchō}}* | {{lang|en|hyakuchō}} | {{lang|en|issenchō}} |- | align="right" | 10{{sup|16}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|ikkei}} | {{lang|en|nikei}} | {{lang|en|sankei}} | {{lang|en|yonkei}} | {{lang|en|gokei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|rokkei}} | {{lang|en|nanakei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hakkei}} | {{lang|en|kyūkei}} | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|jukkei}}* | style="background: yellow" | {{lang|en|hyakkei}}** | {{lang|en|issenkei}} |} <small><nowiki>*</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 10. Koncovka měnjaje se od {{lang|en|-jū}} na {{lang|en|-jutchō}} ili {{lang|en|-jukkei}}.<br /><nowiki>**</nowiki> Takože priměnjaje se k kratnym 100. Koncovka {{lang|en|-ku}} měnjaje se na {{lang|en|-kkei}}.</small> V čislah nad 10, elementy sut soredjene, i ne koristajut se nuly. Japonske čislovniky imajut ne pozicijnu, a multiplikativno-aditivnu sistemu; da by napisati čislo 20, trěba napisati simbol {{Nihongo|"dva"|二}}, a potom simbol {{Nihongo|"deset"|十}}, da by polučiti dvě desetky ili {{Nihongo|"dvadeset"|二十}}. {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo !! Kandži !! Izgovor !Značenje |- | align="right" | 11 || {{lang|ja|十一}} || {{lang|en|jū ichi}} |deset i jedno |- | align="right" | 17 || {{lang|ja|十七}} || {{lang|en|jū nana, jū shichi}} |deset i sedm |- | align="right" | 151 || {{lang|ja|百五十一}} || {{lang|en|hyaku go-jū ichi}} |sto, pet desetok i jedno |- | align="right" | 302 || {{lang|ja|三百二}} || {{lang|en|san-byaku ni}} |tri sta i dva |- | align="right" | 469 || {{lang|ja|四百六十九}} || {{lang|en|yon-hyaku roku-jū kyū}} |četyri, šest desetok i devet |- | align="right" | 2025 || {{lang|ja|二千二十五}} || {{lang|en|ni-sen ni-jū go}} |dva tyseče, dvě desetky i pet |} ===Čislne redky i desetične čisla=== Japonske cifry od 1 do 9 obyčno se koristajut izolovano. Redky cifr imajut slegka inako čitanje s prodolženymi samoglaskami za 2 (''nī'') i 5 (''gō''), i menje često, 4 (''shī'') i 9 (''kū''). Tako dělajut zato, že kogda prěčisljajut cifry, ako možno, oni muset byti v grupah po dvě, každa iz njih musi sostojeti točno iz četyreh [[Mora (lingvistika)|mor]], čto dělaje neobhodnym prodolženje obyčno jednomornyh cifr kako ''ni'', ''go'', ''shi'' and ''ku''.<ref name=nhk-2005-2>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082124/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20250601_1.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|lang=ja|script-title=ja:語の読み方（語形）について数字の読み方～小数の読み方～|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Yamashita|first=Yōko|last2=Fujii|first2=Madoka|date=28 February 2025|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref><ref>{{cite web|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20250622082259/https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|url=https://www.nhk.or.jp/bunken/research/kotoba/20180501_4.html|archive-date=22 June 2025|date=1 May 2018|lang=ja|script-title=ja:数詞の発音とアクセント|work=NHK Bunken|publisher=NHK Broadcasting Culture Research Institute|last=Sakurai|first=Shigeharu|last2=Akinaga|first2=Kazue|access-date=23 September 2025|url-status=live}}</ref> Napiměr, taky redok kako '''5'''4'''2'''62 se izgovarjaje {{-|'''''gō'''-yon '''nī'''-roku ni''}}, kde prve dvě grupy sut kvadrimoraične. [[Japonsko tonalno udarjenje|Udarjenje]] pri tom padaje prědposlědnju moru kažfoj grupy, ako li to jest možlivo, odsud {{-|[ɡoː jóɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɾókɯ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲí]}}.<ref name=hirayama-1961>{{cite book|lang=ja|script-title=ja:全国アクセント辞典|first=Teruo|last=Hirayama|publisher=Tōkyōdō|date=25 December 1961|p=897}}</ref> Tuto pravilo takože priměnjaje se k poslědnoj cifrě celoj česti čisla i ko vsim cifram desetičnoj česti desetičnogo čisla.<ref name=nhk-2005-2/><ref name=hirayama-1961/> Napriměr, tako desetično čislo kako 25'''2'''.'''25'''5 se izgovarjaje {{-|''nihyaku gojū '''nī'''-ten '''nī-gō''' go''}} {{-|[ɲiçjakɯ́ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡodʑɯ́ː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲíː teɴ <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɲiː ɡóː <nowiki>|</nowiki> ɡó]}}, kde ''ten'' označaje "točka". ===Druge tipy čisel=== V japonskyh [[Redny čislovnik|rednyh čislovnikah]] koristajut modifikaciju uměstnyh sčetnyh slov, sistema ktoryh v japonskom jezyku jest dosti [[Japonske sčetne slova|komplikovana]]. Da by prěvratiti sčetno slovo (sčislovnik) v ordinalny čislovnik, ktory označaje poziciju v redu, na koncu sčislovnika dodavajut {{lang|ja|目}} {{lang|en|me}}. Tako "jedin raz" bude prěkladati se kako {{lang|ja|一回}} {{lang|en|ikkai}}, a "prvy raz" bude se prěkladati {{lang|ja|一回目}} {{lang|en|ikkaime}}. Tuto pravilo jest ale nedoslědno, ako sčislovniky bez sufiksa {{lang|en|me}} često koristajut i v ordinalnom, i v [[Kardinalny čislovnik|kardinalnom]] smyslah. Napriměr, {{lang|ja|三階}} {{lang|en|sangai}} može označati kako "tri etaže", tako i "tretji etaž." [[Distributivny čislovnik|Distributivne čislovniky]] obyčno stvarjajut iz kardinalnogo čislovnika, sčetnogo slova i sufiksa {{Nihongo|{{-|''-zutsu''}}|ずつ|}}, napriklad {{Nihongo|{{-|''hitori-zutsu''}}|一人ずつ|po jednoj osobě za raz, po-jedno}}. == Stupnje 10 == === Velike čisla === Vslěd kitajskoj tradiciji, velike čisla se stvarjajut grupovanjem cifr v [[Miriada|miriady]] (10,000), na razliku od zapadnyh tyseč (1,000) <div class="overflowbugx" style="overflow-x:auto;"> {| class="wikitable" !align="left"|Red |10{{sup|4}} |10{{sup|8}} |10{{sup|12}} |10{{sup|16}} |10{{sup|20}} |10{{sup|24}} |10{{sup|28}} |10{{sup|32}} |10{{sup|36}} |10{{sup|40}} |10{{sup|44}} |10{{sup|48}} |10{{sup|52}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|56}})}}</small> |10{{sup|56}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(ili 10{{sup|64}})}}</small> |10{{sup|60}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|72}})}}</small> |10{{sup|64}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|80}})}}</small> |10{{sup|68}} <br /><small>{{nowrap|(or 10{{sup|88}})}}</small> |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|万}} |{{lang|ja|億}} |{{lang|ja|兆}} |{{lang|ja|京}} |{{lang|ja|垓}} |{{lang|ja|𥝱}}, {{lang|ja|秭}} |{{lang|ja|穣}} |{{lang|ja|溝}} |{{lang|ja|澗}} |{{lang|ja|正}} |{{lang|ja|載}} |{{lang|ja|極}} |{{lang|ja|恒河沙}} |{{lang|ja|阿僧祇}} |{{lang|ja|那由他}}, {{lang|ja|那由多}} |{{lang|ja|不可思議}} |{{lang|ja|無量大数}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|man}} |{{lang|en|oku}} |{{lang|en|chō}} |{{lang|en|kei}} |{{lang|en|gai}} |{{lang|en|jo}}, {{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|jō}} |{{lang|en|kō}} |{{lang|en|kan}} |{{lang|en|sei}} |{{lang|en|sai}} |{{lang|en|goku}} |{{lang|en|gōgasha}} |{{lang|en|asōgi}} |{{lang|en|nayuta}} |{{lang|en|fukashigi}} |{{lang|en|muryōtaisū}} |}</div> Razhoděnja sut iz-za {{Nihongo|{{-|[[Jinkoki|Jinkōki]]}}|塵劫記|}}, najstaršego matematičnogo teksta Japonije. Originalno izdavanje bylo opublikovano v lětu 1627 i imělo mnogo grěšek, věčšinstvo ktoryh bylo izpravjeno v izdavanju 1631 goda. V lětu 1634 izšlo ješče jedno izdavanje, kde opet bylo izměnjeno několiko veličin. Vyše uvedeno razhodženje jest obuslovjeno nesuglasnostju dvoh poslědnjih izdavanij. Sut razne znaky za 10{{sup|24}} (to jest {{lang|ja|秭}} v kitajskom jezyku tutčas), i po 10{{sup|48}} oni odličajut se tym, že prodolžajut s povyšenjem faktora 10{{sup|4}} ili prěključajut se na faktor 10{{sup|8}}. Ako koristaje se faktor 10{{sup|8}}, medžuintervalne koeficienty 10{{sup|4}} zakryvajut s pomočju {{Nihongo|万|man}}. Nastoječe izdavanje {{lang|en|Jinkōki}}, 11-to, slěduje faktoru 10{{sup|4}} črez cělu sistemu, hoti něktori ljudi ješče koristajut veličiny iz 8-go izdavanja daže tutčas. Poslědnje tri čisla s mnogoslogovymi nazvanjami i razhodženjem veličin v koncu koncev izvodet se iz Indije, hoti tam oni ne iměli oprědeljennyh veličin. {{Nihongo|恒河沙|''gōgasha''}} prvonačelno koristalo se v budističskyh traktatah za označevanje bezměrno ogromnogo; ono proizhodi iz [[Sanskrit|sanskritskogo]] {{lang|sa|गङ्गा}} {{lang|en|gangā}} '[[Ganges|Ganga]]' (čto udobno vključaje znaky {{Nihongo|'rěka'|河|ka}} i {{Nihongo|'pěsok'|沙|sha}}, odsylajuči k neizčislimomu množstvu čestic pěska na rěkě Ganga. {{Nihongo|阿僧祇|''asōgi''|}}, od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|असंख्येय}} {{lang|en|asaṃkhyeya}} 'neizčisljimy/bezčislny', s negativnym prefiksom {{Nihongo|阿|''a''|}}, i {{Nihongo|那由他|''nayuta''}} od sanskritnogo {{lang|sa|नयुत/नयुतः}} {{lang|en|nayuta(ḥ)}}. Dalje, cifry sut terminami iz [[Budizm|Budizma]], prěvedene na kitajsky ili iztvorjene na njem, ktorym pozdněje pridělali čislne značenja: {{Nihongo|'nevoobrazimy'|不可思議|fukashigi}} i {{Nihongo|'bezměrno veliko čislo'|無量大数|muryōtaisū}}. Priměry: ''(razděljenje na grupy iz četyreh cifr jest privedeno samo za cěljem lěpšego objasnjenja)'' *1 0000 : {{Nihongo|一万|ichi-man}} *983 6703 : {{Nihongo|九百八十三万 六千七百三|kyū-hyaku hachi-jū san-man, roku-sen nana-hyaku san}} *20 3652 1801 : {{Nihongo|二十億 三千六百五十二万 千八百一|ni-jū oku, san-zen rop-pyaku go-jū ni-man, sen hap-pyaku ichi}} Jednakože, Čisla, napisane arabskymi ciframi, razděljaut na grupy po tri cifry, kako to jest prijeto v anglogovorečih državah. Pri koristanju arabskyh cifr i kandži razom, zapadny sposob zapisu može se koristati za čisla, menši 10,000, ale s {{-|''man''}}, ako čislo je večšo (napr. {{lang|ja|2,500万}} za 25,000,000). Ako v japonskom jezyku dolge čisla sit zapisyvane v kandži, nuly opuskajut za vse stupnje deseti. Tako, 4002 bude {{lang|ja|四千二}} (naprotiv, v kitajskom jezyku trěba použiti {{lang|zh|零}} vsekde vměsto nuly, napr. {{lang|zh|四千零二}} za 4002). Ale, pri čitanju učetovodnyh sprav, napriměr, opuštene cifry inogda označajut {{Nihongo|飛び|tobi}} ili {{Nihongo|飛んで|tonde}}: v našem priměru 4002 {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tobi''' ni}} ili {{lang|en|yon-sen '''tonde''' ni}} vměsto obyčnogo {{lang|en|yon-sen ni}}. === Drobne čisla === Japonsky jezyk imaje dvě sistemy čislovnikov za desetične droby. Oni uže ne koristajut se generalno, ale kako predže mogut se koristati v něktoryh slučajah, kako ukazatelje odbitja i zaščity bejsbolistov, procenty izigry sportovnyh ekip, i v něktoryh idiomatičnyh rěčenjah kako 五分五分の勝負 ({{-|''gobugobu no shōbu''}}, 'šans petdeset na petdeset', doslovno 'pet na pet'), ili kogda prědstavjajut procent rabata. Droby {{lang|en|bu}} takože koritajut, kogda govoret o gorečkě — napriměr, {{Nihongo|九度二分|kudonibu}} za 9 i dvě drobnyh — za označanje temperatury 39.2°C. Jedna sistema jest taka: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |10{{sup|−6}} |10{{sup|−7}} |10{{sup|−8}} |10{{sup|−9}} |10{{sup|−10}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |{{lang|ja|忽}} |{{lang|ja|微}} |{{lang|ja|繊}} |{{lang|ja|沙}} |{{lang|ja|塵}} |{{lang|ja|埃}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |{{lang|en|kotsu}} |{{lang|en|bi}} |{{lang|en|sen}} |{{lang|en|sha}} |{{lang|en|jin}} |{{lang|en|ai}} |} Tuta sistema koristaje se jedino s tradicijnoju [[Japonska sistema měrnyh jedinic|japonskoju sistemoju měrnyh jedinic]], něktore znaky koristajut bez izměn za prědstavjenje poděla měry [[cun (unit)|{{lang|en|sun}}]]. Druga sistema: Dlja prědstavjenja desetičnyh drobov procenta ili rabata koristajut sistemu, ktora jest "izměščena" i kde {{lang|en|bu}} stavaje se "jednoju stotoju" i tako dalje, a jediniceju za "desetuju" se stavaje {{lang|en|wari}}: {| class="wikitable" !align=left|Red |10{{sup|−1}} |10{{sup|−2}} |10{{sup|−3}} |10{{sup|−4}} |10{{sup|−5}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Znak |{{lang|ja|割}} |{{lang|ja|分}} |{{lang|ja|厘}} |{{lang|ja|毛}} |{{lang|ja|糸}} |- align="center" !align="left"|Izgovor |{{lang|en|wari}} |{{lang|en|bu}} |{{lang|en|rin}} |{{lang|en|mō}} |{{lang|en|shi}} |} Tuto često použivajut v cěnah. Napriměr: *{{Nihongo|一割五分引き|ichi-wari go-bu biki}}: 15% rabat *{{Nihongo|打率三割八分九厘|daritsu san-wari hachi-bu kyū-rin}}: srědno odbivanje .389 (bejsbol). S izključenjem {{lang|en|wari}}, tojte rědko možno uviděti v suvrěmennom koristanju. Desetične droby sut tipično napisane kandži-čislovnikami (vertikalno) ili arabskymi ciframi (horizontalno), prěd ktorymi stoji desetična točka, i Čitajut se oni kako sekvencija cifr, kako to jest prijeto na Zapadu. Jednako, v pismennoj formě, jih mogut kombinovati kako s tradicijnymi sistemami izraženja čisel (42.195 kilometers: {{lang|ja|四十二・一九五 キロメートル}}), v ktoryh sut napisane stupnje deseti, ili s sitemoju znakoměst, ktora koristaje nulu (50.04 procentov: {{lang|ja|五〇・〇四 パーセント.}}) V obohdvoh slučajah, jednako, izgovor slěduje tradicijnoj sistemě ({{lang|en|yon-jū ni-ten ichi-kyū go kiromētoru}} za 42.195 kilometrov; {{lang|en|go ju-tten rei-yon pāsento}} za 50.04 procentov.) == V imenah == Jestvujut imena {{Nihongo|[[Millennium Actress|{{-|Chiyoko}}]]|千代子|doslovno "tyseč lět" (žensko)}}, {{Nihongo|{{-|Chiizuru}}|千鶴|doslovno "tyseč [[Japonsky žerav|žeravov]]" (žensko)}}, {{Nihongo|{{-|Chikao}}|千禾夫|doslovno "muž — tyseč klasov"}}, rodna nazva {{Nihongo|{{-|Chitaka}}|千鷹|doslovno "tyseč sokolov"}}. Jedna iz japonskyh prefektur se nazyvaje {{Nihongo|[[Čiba (prefektura)|{{-|Chiba}}]]|千葉|doslovno "tyseč listov"}}. V [[anime]] "[[Unesene duhami]]" obigryvajut nejednoznačnost izgovora hieroglifa 千 — ''{{-|sen}}'' ili ''{{-|chi}}'': ime glavnoj herojiny — {{Nihongo|{{-|Chihiro}}|千尋|doslovno "tyseč [[Japonska sistema měr#Měry dolžiny|hiro]]", "bezdonna glubina"}}; čarodějnica "odimaje" ime u Čihiro, ostavjajuči njej toliko jedin znak i izměnjajuči jego izgovor. Od nyně Čihiro se zove {{Nihongo|{{-|Sen}}|千|tyseč}}. Pomimo tomu, jestvuje red mužskyh imen, ktore davajut detem po redu jih rodženja: # {{Nihongo|Ičiro|一郎|ichirō|первый сын}}, # {{Nihongo|Džiro|二郎|Jirō|второй сын}}, # {{Nihongo|Saburo|三郎|saburō}}, # {{Nihongo|Širo|四郎|shirō}}, # {{Nihongo|Goro|五郎|gorō}}, # {{Nihongo|Rokuro|六郎|rokurō}}, # {{Nihongo|Šičiro|七郎|shichirō}}, # {{Nihongo|Hačiro|八郎|hachirō}}, # {{Nihongo|Kuro|九郎|kurō}}, # {{Nihongo|Džuro|十郎|jūrō}}, # {{Nihongo|Toičiro|十一郎|toichirō}} или {{Nihongo|Džuičiro|十一郎|jūichirō}}, # {{Nihongo|Džudžiro|十二郎|jūjirō}}, # {{Nihongo|Tosaburo|十三郎|tosaburō}} или {{Nihongo|Džusaburo|十三郎|jūsaburō:}}. Poslě [[Vtora světova vojna|Vtoroj světovoj vojny]] imena "vyše" než Saburo sut praktično prěstali se upotrěbjati. Pomimo ukazanyh imen, sut daže {{Nihongo|Džuširo|十四郎|jūshirō}}, četyrnadesety syn i {{Nihongo|Hjakuro|百郎|hakurō}}, stoty syn: jih, pomimo ostalnyh, noset aktor [[Kabuki]] [[Jushiro Konoe|Džuširo Konoe]] (近衛 十四郎) i [[mangaka]] [[Hyakuro Murasaki|Hjakuro Murasaki]] (村崎 百郎). == Formalne čislovniky == [[File:Shoe Boxes (743286602).jpg|thumb|{{lang|en|[[Getabako]]}}]] Kako i u kitajskyh čislovnikov, jestvuje specialna japonska sbirka kandži za čislovniky, ktora nazyvaje se {{Nihongo|大字|{{-|''daiji''}}|}} i ktoru koristajut v pravnyh i finansovyh dokumentah, da by prědodvračati možnost nečestnym ljudjam dodavati črtu ili dvě, prevračajuči jedinicu v dvojku ili trojku. Formalne čislovniky sut identične kitajskym formalnym čislovnikam, pomimo maloj razliky v načrtanju. Tutdenj cifry jedin, dva, tri i deset v pravnyh dokumentah pišut jedino v jihnom formalnom vidu (čisla od 4 do 9, ravno kako 100, 1000 i 10000 pišut identično obyčnym, gledite v tablice dolje).<ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:大正十一年大蔵省令第四十三号 (会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ノ数字及記載事項ノ訂正ニ関スル件) |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023833/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/T11/T11F03401000043.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第一条: 会計法規ニ基ク出納計算ニ関スル諸書類帳簿ニ記載スル金額其ノ他ノ数量ニシテ「一」、「二」、「三」、「十」、「廿」、「卅」ノ数字ハ「壱」、「弐」、「参」、「拾」、「弐拾」、「参拾」ノ字体ヲ用ユヘシ但横書ヲ為ストキハ「アラビア」数字ヲ用ユルコトヲ得』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:戸籍法施行規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023839/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S22/S22F00501000094.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:「第三十一条 2: 年月日を記載するには、壱、弐、参、拾の文字を用いなければならない。」}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:小切手振出等事務取扱規程 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20120226023849/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S26/S26F03401000020.html |archive-date=2012-02-26 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『附則 (昭和四〇年四月一日大蔵省令第二〇号) 2: 小切手の券面金額は、当分の間、所定の金額記載欄に、漢数字により表示することができる。この場合においては、「一」、「二」、「三」及び「十」の字体は、それぞれ「壱」、「弐」、「参」及び「拾」の漢字を用い、かつ、所定の金額記載欄の上方余白に当該金額記載欄に記載の金額と同額をアラビア数字で副記しなければならない。』}}</ref><ref>{{Cite web |script-title=ja:商業登記規則 |url=http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20090202084605/http://law.e-gov.go.jp/htmldata/S39/S39F03201000023.html |archive-date=2009-02-02 |url-status=dead |lang=ja |script-quote=ja:『第四十八条 2: 金銭その他の物の数量、年月日及び番号を記載するには、「壱、弐、参、拾」の文字を用いなければならない。ただし、横書きをするときは、アラビヤ数字を用いることができる。』}}</ref> Tute obyčne formy jest možlivo izměnjato v směru vysšyh čisel dodavanjem črt (1 i 2 sut objasněne vyše, takože 3 jest možno izměnjati na 5, i 10 na 1000). V něktoryh slučajah cifru 1 cěljeno pišut kako v {{lang|ja|壱百壱拾}} za 110, na razliku od {{lang|ja|百十}} v obyčnom pisanju. Formalne čislovniky: {| class="wikitable" style="text-align: center" ! rowspan="2" | Čislo ! rowspan="2" | Obyčno ! colspan="2" | Formalno |- ! koristaje se !! ustarělo |- | align="right" | 1 || {{lang|ja|一}} || {{lang|ja|壱}} || {{lang|ja|壹}} |- | align="right" | 2 || {{lang|ja|二}} || {{lang|ja|弐}} || {{lang|ja|貳}} |- | align="right" | 3 || {{lang|ja|三}} || {{lang|ja|参}} || {{lang|ja|參}} |- | align="right" | 4 || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|四}} || {{lang|ja|肆}} |- | align="right" | 5 || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|五}} || {{lang|ja|伍}} |- | align="right" | 6 || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|六}} || {{lang|ja|陸}} |- | align="right" | 7 || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|七}} || {{lang|ja|柒}}, {{lang|ja|漆}} |- | align="right" | 8 || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|八}} || {{lang|ja|捌}} |- | align="right" | 9 || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|九}} || {{lang|ja|玖}} |- | align="right" | 10 || {{lang|ja|十}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} || {{lang|ja|拾}} |- | align="right" | 100 || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|百}} || {{lang|ja|佰}} |- | align="right" | 1000 || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|千}} || {{lang|ja|阡}}, {{lang|ja|仟}} |- | align="right" | 10000 || {{lang|ja|万}} || {{lang|ja|万}}, {{lang|ja|萬}} || {{lang|ja|萬}} |} Četyre aktualnyh [[banknoty Japonskogo jena]], 1000-jen, 2000-jen, 5000-jen i 10000-jen imajut formalne čislovniky {{lang|ja|千}}, {{lang|ja|弐千}}, {{lang|ja|五千}} i {{lang|ja|壱万}}. ==V starojaponskom jezyku== [[Starojaponsky jezyk]] imaje slovosbor čestično od staryh dob, i takože imaje unikalne čislovniky za čisla nad 10, ktore uže ne použivajit se, mimo slučajev něktoryh [[Leksema|leksem]]. Primětky: * Transkripcija tut jest na osnově [[fonem]] i ne jest [[Fonetika|fonetična]]. Gledite članok o [[Starojaponsky jezyk|starojaponskom jezyku]] za vyše informacij. * Gledite {{lang|en|[[Jōdai Tokushu Kanazukai]]}} za informacije o notacijah s nižnim indeksom. <!--NOTE: Please do NOT change /h/ to /p/. The transcription is phonemic, not phonetic. While it must have been [p] at some time in the past, during the Old Japanese period it was [ɸ]. --> {| class="wikitable" ! Čislo ! Izgovor ! Priklady ! Primětky |- | align="right" | 1 | [[wiktionary:一#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|一日}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂pi₁}} (1 denj), {{lang|ojp|一年}} {{lang|ojp|pi₁to₂to₂se}} (1 god) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 2 | [[wiktionary:二#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|futa}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二夜}} {{lang|ojp|futayo₂}} (2 noče) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 3 | [[wiktionary:三#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mi₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 4 | [[wiktionary:四#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|yo₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|四人}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂tari}} (4 ljudi) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 5 | [[wiktionary:五#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|itu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五年}} {{lang|ojp|ituto₂se}} (5 lět) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 6 | [[wiktionary:六#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|mu}}]] | {{lang|ojp|六爪}} {{lang|ojp|mutuma}} (6 klěšče) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 7 | [[wiktionary:七#Noun|{{lang|ojp|nana}}]] | {{lang|ojp|七瀬}} {{lang|ojp|nanase}} (mnogo bystryh) | Često koristajut v značenju mnogo |- | align="right" | 8 | [[wiktionary:八#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ya}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八雲}} {{lang|ojp|yakumo₁}} (mnogo oblakov) | Često koristajut v značenju mnogo |- | align="right" | 9 | [[wiktionary:九#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂}}]] | {{lang|ojp|九柱}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂pasira}} (9 blagorodnyh / bogov) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|to₂}}]] / [[wiktionary:十#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|to₂wo}}]] | {{lang|ojp|十日}} {{lang|ojp|to₂woka}} (10 dnjev) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 10 | [[wiktionary:十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|so₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|三十}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁so₁}} (30), {{lang|ojp|四十}} {{lang|ojp|yo₂so₁}} (40), {{lang|ojp|六十}} {{lang|ojp|muso₁}} (60), {{lang|ojp|八十}} {{lang|ojp|yaso₁}} (80) | Strěčaje se toliko v složityh slovah; ne koristaje se samo |- | align="right" | 20 | [[wiktionary:二十#Noun|{{lang|ojp|pata}}]] | {{lang|ojp|二十}} {{lang|ojp|patati}} (20), {{lang|ojp|二十人}} {{lang|ojp|patatari}} (20 ljudij), {{lang|ojp|二十年}} {{lang|ojp|patato₂se}} (20 lět) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 50 | [[wiktionary:五十|{{lang|ojp|i}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五十日}} {{lang|ojp|ika}} (50 dnjev) | &nbsp; |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 2|{{lang|ojp|po}}]] | {{lang|ojp|五百}} {{lang|ojp|ipo}} (500), {{lang|ojp|五百年}} {{lang|ojp|ipoto₂se}} (500 lět), {{lang|ojp|五百夜}} {{lang|ojp|ipoyo₂}} (500 nočev), {{lang|ojp|八百}} {{lang|ojp|yapo}} (800), {{lang|ojp|三百}} {{lang|ojp|mi₁po}} (300), {{lang|ojp|六百}} {{lang|ojp|mupo}} (600), {{lang|ojp|九百}} {{lang|ojp|ko₂ko₂no₂po}} (900) | Koristaje se za množne sotky v sostavnyh čislovnikah. Često koristajut v značenju mnogo |- | align="right" | 100 | [[wiktionary:百#Noun 3|{{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁}}]] | {{lang|ojp|百日}} {{lang|ojp|mo₁mo₁ka}} (mnogo dnjev) | Koristaje se za nemnožne sotky i za čislo "100" sebe. Često koristajut v značenju mnogo |- | align="right" | 1000 | [[wiktionary:千#Noun|{{lang|ojp|ti}}]] | {{lang|ojp|千年}} {{lang|ojp|tito₂se}} (1000 lět, mnogo dnjev) | Često koristajut v značenju mnogo |- | align="right" | 10000 | [[wiktionary:万#Noun|{{lang|ojp|yo₂ro₂du}}]] | {{lang|ojp|八百万}} {{lang|ojp|yapoyo₂ro₂du}} (8000000, myriada) | Često koristajut v značenju mnogo |} ==Sčitanje na prstah== Japonsky jezyl posluživaje se oddělnymi sistemami za sčitanje za sebe i za ukazyvanje čisel drugym, obědvě do deseti. Sčitanje načinajut s otvorjenoju dlanju, potom sčitajut do peti, sgybajuči prsty, počinajuči velikym palcem (ostalne sut rovne), ale četyti bude, kogda toliko maly prst jest rovny, a za pet bude pest. Potom sčitajut ješče do peti v obratnom slědu, otvarjajuči prsty, počinajuči tym malym – tako šest jest to samo kako četyri, sedm kako tri, i tako dalje, i dest končaje se otvorjenoju dlanju. Bez ogleda na to, že tuto prinosi nejednoznačnost, tuty sposob ne koristaje se za ukazyvanje čisel drugym i zato tuto obyčno ne jest problemom. Pri pokazyvanju sčeta drugym, načinajut s zatvorjenoj dlani, i odgybajut prstaý, počinajuči ukazovakom, dohodet do malogo prsta, i potom zakančivajut velikym palcem, kako to dělajut v Sjedinjenyh Štatah. Za ukazyvanje čisel nad petju, posluživajut se otvorjenoju dlanju (čto označaje pet) i prikladajut uměstno čislo prstov drugoj ruky ko dlani (dlanji soočajut se jedna drugoj) – tako, za šest ukazovakom se prikladaje k dlani i tako dalje.<ref>{{Cite web| url = http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm| title = Counting on one's fingers. About.com, Japanese Language, Namiko Abe| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20130120143955/http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa112198.htm |archive-date = 2013-01-20}}</ref> Da by pokazati deset, trěba pokazati obě dlanji otvorjenymi von. == Zapisyvanje slov čislami == Ako byli prijete [[arabske cifry]], stalo se vyše i vyše obyčno posluživati se njimi za napisanje čisel. Sčetne i redne čislovniky sut tipično napisane arabskymi ciframi, kako {{nihongo|'''tri ljudi'''|3人|san-nin}}, {{nihongo|'''julij''', "sedmy měsec"|7月|shichigatsu}}, {{nihongo|'''v vozrastu 20 lět'''|20歳|hatachi}}, i t. d., hoti {{lang|ja|三人}}, {{lang|ja|七月}} i {{lang|ja|二十歳}} sut takože dopustime v pisanju (ale to jest menje obyčno). Dalje, čisla, ktore sut čestju leksem, sut tipično zapisyvane kandži. Napriměr, termin {{nihongo|'zeleninovy kiosk'|八百屋|yaoya}} prěkladaje se v "magazín 800", s koristanjem starojaponskogo izgovora za 800, {{lang|ojp|ya(h)o}}. Izvěstna Japonska organizovana kriminalna spoločnost [[jakuza]], može byti zapisyvana kako {{lang|ja|八九三}} (ili 893), kombinacija v igrě {{lang|en|[[Oicho-Kabu|oicho-kabu]]}}, ktora stoji 0 punktov, ukazyvaje, že jakuza sut "ničtožne ljudi" ili "ljudi hazarda".<ref>{{Cite web |url=http://www.sljfaq.org/afaq/yakuza.html |title=What is the origin of yakuza? |website=www.sljfaq.org |access-date=2016-03-24}}</ref> == Referencije == {{Iztočniky}} ==Vnješnje linky== <div class="ext-gadget-alphabet-disable"> * {{lang|ja|[http://www.moroo.com/uzokusou/misc/suumei/suumei.html 大数の名前について]}} (na japonskom jezyku) * {{Cite web |url= http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html | title = Ancient Japanese number system| archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20180829030749/http://www.sf.airnet.ne.jp/~ts/language/number/ancient_japanese.html |archive-date=2018-08-29}} * [http://www.solosequenosenada.com/gramatica/japanese/Learn_Japanese_Numbers.php English exercises for learning Japanese numerals] * [https://web.archive.org/web/20090324035049/http://www.learnjapanesewordsandphrases.com/learnjapanesenumbers.html Audio to learn the pronunciation for Japanese numbers] * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/kanjinumbers.cgi Convert kanji numerals to arabic numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) * [http://www.sljfaq.org/cgi/numbers.cgi Convert arabic numerals to kanji numerals] (sci. lang. Japan FAQ page) </div> {{Prěvod|en|Japanese numerals|}} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские числительные|}} [[Kategorija:Čisla]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Čislovniky]] {{INTERWIKI|Q1337084}} 8qn3lhohwj9dzdqx6871yft6fqw8za5 2 4771 28891 2026-07-16T14:24:48Z Polda18 18 Razvivanje modulov - koristničsky šablon 28891 wikitext text/x-wiki <div align="center"> {| style="border:1px solid black; background:#ffccff; padding-left:1em; padding-right:1em; margin-top:1em; margin-bottom:1em;" |+ ! [[Fajl:OOjs UI icon code.svg|frameless|57x57px]] !! '''<big><u>Tuta stranica jest prědloženje razvivanoho modula</u></big>''' Izvorny kod programističnogo jezyka Lua, ktory vidite niže, jest polufunkcionalny i posrěd razvivanja. Tuten izvorny kod može i ne musi byti funkcionalny, pokoliko by byl zapisany v immenom prostoru <u>Modul</u>. 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[[Koristnik:Мурад 97|Мурад 97]] ([[Besěda s koristnikom:Мурад 97|besěda]]) 16:40, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) dijhal7deukwo5wwki53ajyjra787ir 2 4773 28904 2026-07-16T16:21:12Z Polda18 18 Dokumentacija 28904 wikitext text/x-wiki Niže možete viditi prědloženje dlja dokumentacije togoto modula. ---- * ''Bude dopolneno'' 8rk3iv16snnr72uuwno37xe76safaam 0 4774 28915 2026-05-23T15:14:20Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28915 wikitext text/x-wiki [[file:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva Latinaca ik0u7s05h1t3m1jqcsgpntpssp3bhh4 28916 28915 2026-05-23T15:22:46Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28916 wikitext text/x-wiki [[file:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva Latinaca ==Kodovanje== {| class=wikitable style="text-align:center;" ! colspan=2 | Kodovan‍je ! <big><big>{{Wp/ho/-|}}</big></big> ! <big><big>{{Wp/ho/-|ᶑ}}</big></big> |- ! colspan=2 | Nazva v Unikodu | {{Wp/ho/-|LATIN CAPITAL LETTER D WITH HOOK AND TAIL}} | {{Wp/ho/-|LATIN SMALL LETTER D WITH HOOK AND TAIL}} |- ! rowspan=2 | Unikod !! šestnadseterična sistema | {{Wp/ho/-|U+F20D}} | {{Wp/ho/-|U+1D91}} |- ! deseterična sistema | 61965 | 7569 |- ! rowspan=2 | {{Wp/ho/-|HTML}} !! šestnadseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#xf20d;</code> | <code>&amp;#x1d91;</code> |- ! deseterična sistema | <code>&amp;#61965;</code> | <code>&amp;#7569;</code> |} ht8nc58ozibs87mh1itz42iokywfphn 28917 28916 2026-05-23T15:22:58Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 28917 wikitext text/x-wiki [[file:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva Latinaca ik0u7s05h1t3m1jqcsgpntpssp3bhh4 28918 28917 2026-05-23T15:24:19Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28918 wikitext text/x-wiki [[file:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva Latinaca [[Category:Wp/ho|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] 5b7kqc7scfomc1d4jhx0llbzpc2sqqh 28919 28918 2026-07-16T20:33:04Z IJzeren Jan 9 4 versije sut importovane iz [[:incubator:Wp/ho/ᶑ]] 28918 wikitext text/x-wiki [[file:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva Latinaca [[Category:Wp/ho|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] 5b7kqc7scfomc1d4jhx0llbzpc2sqqh 28920 28919 2026-07-16T20:33:40Z IJzeren Jan 9 IJzeren Jan prěimenoval stranicu [[Wp/ho/ᶑ]] na [[ᶑ]] bez ostavjenja prěnapravjenja 28918 wikitext text/x-wiki [[file:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva Latinaca [[Category:Wp/ho|{{SUBPAGENAME}}]] 5b7kqc7scfomc1d4jhx0llbzpc2sqqh 28921 28920 2026-07-16T20:35:14Z IJzeren Jan 9 28921 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok}} [[Fajl:Latin letter D with hook and retroflex hook.svg|250px|class=skin-invert|alt=Capital D with with a stroke through the right and a hook extending from the top left |right]] <span style="font-family: times, Times New Roman, serif; font-size: larger"><span style="position: absolute;">&hairsp;Ɖ</span>Ɗ&nbsp;ᶑ</span> (D s levym i hakom) jest bukva [[latinica|latinskogo alfabeta]]. [[Kategorija:Latinica]] 2s13vlles92i14ba5ibtlkr6iga7tv5 0 4775 28923 2026-06-17T22:28:03Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28923 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Hadean.png|332px]] Hadean (/heɪˈdiːən, ˈheɪdiən/ hay-DEE-ən, HAY-dee-ən) je prvi in ​​najstarejši od štirih geoloških eonov v zgodovini Zemlje, ki se začne z nastankom planeta pred približno 4,6 milijoni let (ocenjeno 4567,30 ± 0,16 milijona let, kar je določeno s starostjo najstarejše trdne snovi v Osončju – delcev prahu protoplanetarnega diska – ki jih najdemo kot hondrule in vključke, bogate s kalcijem in aluminijem, v nekaterih meteoritih pred približno 4,567 milijoni let), in konča s 4,031 milijoni let, starostjo najstarejših znanih nedotaknjenih kamnitih formacij na Zemlji, kot jih je priznala Mednarodna komisija za stratigrafijo. Medplanetarni trk, ki je ustvaril Luno, se je zgodil zgodaj v tem eonu. Hadskemu eonu je sledil arhejski eon, pri čemer se je na meji med hadom in arhejem zgodilo pozno težko bombardiranje. rkqx92wux7x1l4fxr6owgdc2l0x5niw 28924 28923 2026-07-16T20:37:51Z IJzeren Jan 9 1 versija jest importovana iz [[:incubator:Wp/ho/Hadean]] 28923 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Hadean.png|332px]] Hadean (/heɪˈdiːən, ˈheɪdiən/ hay-DEE-ən, HAY-dee-ən) je prvi in ​​najstarejši od štirih geoloških eonov v zgodovini Zemlje, ki se začne z nastankom planeta pred približno 4,6 milijoni let (ocenjeno 4567,30 ± 0,16 milijona let, kar je določeno s starostjo najstarejše trdne snovi v Osončju – delcev prahu protoplanetarnega diska – ki jih najdemo kot hondrule in vključke, bogate s kalcijem in aluminijem, v nekaterih meteoritih pred približno 4,567 milijoni let), in konča s 4,031 milijoni let, starostjo najstarejših znanih nedotaknjenih kamnitih formacij na Zemlji, kot jih je priznala Mednarodna komisija za stratigrafijo. Medplanetarni trk, ki je ustvaril Luno, se je zgodil zgodaj v tem eonu. Hadskemu eonu je sledil arhejski eon, pri čemer se je na meji med hadom in arhejem zgodilo pozno težko bombardiranje. rkqx92wux7x1l4fxr6owgdc2l0x5niw 28925 28924 2026-07-16T20:46:37Z IJzeren Jan 9 IJzeren Jan prěimenoval stranicu [[Wp/ho/Hadean]] na [[Hadej]] bez ostavjenja prěnapravjenja 28923 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Hadean.png|332px]] Hadean (/heɪˈdiːən, ˈheɪdiən/ hay-DEE-ən, HAY-dee-ən) je prvi in ​​najstarejši od štirih geoloških eonov v zgodovini Zemlje, ki se začne z nastankom planeta pred približno 4,6 milijoni let (ocenjeno 4567,30 ± 0,16 milijona let, kar je določeno s starostjo najstarejše trdne snovi v Osončju – delcev prahu protoplanetarnega diska – ki jih najdemo kot hondrule in vključke, bogate s kalcijem in aluminijem, v nekaterih meteoritih pred približno 4,567 milijoni let), in konča s 4,031 milijoni let, starostjo najstarejših znanih nedotaknjenih kamnitih formacij na Zemlji, kot jih je priznala Mednarodna komisija za stratigrafijo. Medplanetarni trk, ki je ustvaril Luno, se je zgodil zgodaj v tem eonu. Hadskemu eonu je sledil arhejski eon, pri čemer se je na meji med hadom in arhejem zgodilo pozno težko bombardiranje. rkqx92wux7x1l4fxr6owgdc2l0x5niw 28926 28925 2026-07-16T21:13:23Z IJzeren Jan 9 isv, kat 28926 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Hadean.png|right|332px]] '''Hadej''' jest prvy i najstarějši iz četyreh geologičnyh [[eon]]ov v historiji [[Zemja|Zemje]], ktory začel se s vozniknjenjem planeta, približno prěd 4,6 mln. lět (ocěnjaje se 4567,30 ± 0,16 mln. let, kako to bylo stvrdženo na osnově starosti najstarějšego solidnogo materiala v [[solnečna sistema|solnečnoj sistemě]] – čestiček praha protoplanetarnogo diska, najdenyh kako hondruly i inkluzije bogate s [[kalcij]]em i [[aluminij]]em v někojih [[meteorit]]ah prěd približno 4,567 mln. lět), i končal se prěd 4,031 mln. lět, v erě najstarějših znanyh nedotknutyh kamenistyh formacij na Zemji, priznanyh Medžunarodnoju komisijeju za stratigrafiju. Medžuplanetarno natolknenje, ktoro stvorilo [[Luna|Lunu]], slučilo se rano v tutom eonu. Poslě hadejskogo eona slědil [[arhej|arhejsky eon]], s pozdnym težkym bombardovanjem na medži medžu hadejem i arhejem. [[Kategorija:Geologija]] 64c4p8e8exj96pomwr05a5s1spoez9v 28931 28926 2026-07-16T21:43:50Z IJzeren Jan 9 28931 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Hadean.png|right|332px]] '''Hadej''' jest prvy i najstarějši iz četyreh geologičnyh [[eon]]ov v historiji [[Zemja|Zemje]], ktory začel se s vozniknjenjem planeta, približno prěd 4,6 mln. lět (ocěnjaje se 4567,30 ± 0,16 mln. lět, kako to bylo stvrdženo na osnově starosti najstarějšego solidnogo materiala v [[solnečna sistema|solnečnoj sistemě]] – čestiček praha protoplanetarnogo diska, najdenyh kako hondruly i inkluzije bogate s [[kalcij]]em i [[aluminij]]em v někojih [[meteorit]]ah prěd približno 4,567 mln. lět), i končal se prěd 4,031 mln. lět, v erě najstarějših znanyh nedotknutyh kamenistyh formacij na Zemji, priznanyh Medžunarodnoju komisijeju za stratigrafiju. Medžuplanetarno natolknenje, ktoro stvorilo [[Luna|Lunu]], slučilo se rano v tutom eonu. Poslě hadejskogo eona slědil [[arhej|arhejsky eon]], s pozdnym težkym bombardovanjem na medži medžu hadejem i arhejem. [[Kategorija:Geologija]] 1fbvlw2o27nsiatoqnegkt9ozrdccdt 3 4776 28927 2026-07-16T21:14:35Z IJzeren Jan 9 /* Dobrodošli! */ nova sekcija 28927 wikitext text/x-wiki == Dobrodošli! == {{Dobrodošli}} {{User:IJzeren Jan/Podpis}} 23:14, 16 julij 2026 (CEST) gylx00z28shtv6d625wv2osrydivgv4 0 4777 28928 2026-07-16T21:19:04Z Atikin C 490 Vse 28928 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Athena Giustiniani, Vatican Museums.jpg|thumb|Statuja Atiny]] Atina (starogrečsky: Ἀθήνη ''Athḗnē'') jest starogrečska Bogynja mudrosti, vojny i remesla. Ona jest byla jedina iz glavnyh Bogov staroj [[Grecija|Grecije]] i zaščitnica grečskyh gradov (napriměr [[Atiny|Atin)]]. Rimljani sut nazyvali ju Minerva. Ljudi iz staroj [[Grecija|Grecije]] sut ljubili ju, ibo ona jest po legende podarila jim grnčarstvo i tkatctvo. V različje k [[Ares|Aresu]], ona ne simbolizuje opustošenje črěz vojnu, a obronu, mudry plan i taktiku vojny.<ref>https://klexikon.zum.de/wiki/Athene</ref> qkres65vgr5ovetxytu4d3odioeg9ix 28929 28928 2026-07-16T21:21:40Z Atikin C 490 28929 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Athena Giustiniani, Vatican Museums.jpg|thumb|Statuja Atiny]] Atina (starogrečsky: Ἀθήνη ''Athḗnē'') jest starogrečska Bogynja mudrosti, vojny i remesla. Ona jest byla jedina iz glavnyh Bogov staroj [[Grecija|Grecije]] i zaščitnica grečskyh gradov (napriměr [[Atiny|Atin)]]. Rimljani sut nazyvali ju Minerva. Ljudi iz staroj [[Grecija|Grecije]] sut ljubili ju, ibo ona jest po legende podarila jim grnčarstvo i tkatctvo. V različje k [[Ares|Aresu]], ona ne simbolizuje opustošenje črěz vojnu, a obronu, mudry plan i taktiku vojny.<ref>https://klexikon.zum.de/wiki/Athene (uviděno 16 julija 2026)</ref> c8bvb9tfe4sq7kwebdh8fse4em0baw9 28953 28929 2026-07-17T05:46:16Z Ilja isv 10 28953 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Athena Giustiniani, Vatican Museums.jpg|thumb|Statuja Atiny]] Atina (starogrečsky: Ἀθήνη ''Athḗnē'') jest starogrečska Bogynja mudrosti, vojny i remesla. Ona jest byla jedina iz glavnyh Bogov staroj [[Grecija|Grecije]] i zaščitnica grečskyh gradov (napriměr [[Atiny|Atin)]]. Rimljani sut nazyvali ju Minerva. Ljudi iz staroj [[Grecija|Grecije]] sut ljubili ju, ibo ona jest po legende podarila jim grnčarstvo i tkatctvo. V različje k [[Ares|Aresu]], ona ne simbolizuje opustošenje črěz vojnu, a obronu, mudry plan i taktiku vojny.<ref>{{-|https://klexikon.zum.de/wiki/Athene}} (uviděno 16 julija 2026)</ref> fvosghu5v0y1gw7i5zw5lga0xzld6j4 0 4778 28936 2026-05-17T06:30:24Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28936 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z, z''' (v Unicode nazyvayetsya Osetinskim Dze ili Zi) — eto kirillicheskaya bukva, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v osetinskom yazyke i v kabardinskom alfavite Atazhukina. ==Kodovanje== Eta bukva yeshche ne zakodirovana v Unicode. Vmesto neye mozhno ispol'zovat' latinskuyu bukvu [[Wp/ho/Z|Z]]. p8j7emodhmp7eju4vg4duow8sf4y47i 28937 28936 2026-05-17T06:32:30Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28937 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v Unicode nazyvayetsya Osetinskim Dze ili Zi) — eto kirillicheskaya bukva, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v osetinskom yazyke i v kabardinskom alfavite Atazhukina. ==Kodovanje== Eta bukva yeshche ne zakodirovana v Unicode. Vmesto neye mozhno ispol'zovat' latinskuyu bukvu [[Wp/ho/Z|Z]]. a1z17pjz2ni6j1xds29b7duouax1qmo 28938 28937 2026-07-16T22:03:12Z IJzeren Jan 9 2 versije sut importovane iz [[:incubator:User:~2026-28147-43/Z_(Kirilica)]] 28937 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v Unicode nazyvayetsya Osetinskim Dze ili Zi) — eto kirillicheskaya bukva, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v osetinskom yazyke i v kabardinskom alfavite Atazhukina. ==Kodovanje== Eta bukva yeshche ne zakodirovana v Unicode. Vmesto neye mozhno ispol'zovat' latinskuyu bukvu [[Wp/ho/Z|Z]]. a1z17pjz2ni6j1xds29b7duouax1qmo 28939 28938 2026-07-16T22:04:10Z IJzeren Jan 9 IJzeren Jan prěimenoval stranicu [[Koristnik:~2026-28147-43/Z (Kirilica)]] na [[Koristnik:Z (kirilica)]] bez ostavjenja prěnapravjenja 28937 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v Unicode nazyvayetsya Osetinskim Dze ili Zi) — eto kirillicheskaya bukva, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v osetinskom yazyke i v kabardinskom alfavite Atazhukina. ==Kodovanje== Eta bukva yeshche ne zakodirovana v Unicode. Vmesto neye mozhno ispol'zovat' latinskuyu bukvu [[Wp/ho/Z|Z]]. a1z17pjz2ni6j1xds29b7duouax1qmo 28940 28939 2026-07-16T22:05:05Z IJzeren Jan 9 IJzeren Jan prěimenoval stranicu [[Koristnik:Z (kirilica)]] na [[Z (kirilica)]] bez ostavjenja prěnapravjenja 28937 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v Unicode nazyvayetsya Osetinskim Dze ili Zi) — eto kirillicheskaya bukva, kotoraya ispol'zovalas' v osetinskom yazyke i v kabardinskom alfavite Atazhukina. ==Kodovanje== Eta bukva yeshche ne zakodirovana v Unicode. Vmesto neye mozhno ispol'zovat' latinskuyu bukvu [[Wp/ho/Z|Z]]. a1z17pjz2ni6j1xds29b7duouax1qmo 28941 28940 2026-07-16T22:08:46Z IJzeren Jan 9 28941 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v [[Unikod]]u nazyvaje se «osetinskym Dze ili Zi») je historična bukva [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[osetinsky jezyk|osetinskom jezyku]] i v [[kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardinskom]] alfabetu Atažukina. ==Kodovanje== Tuta bukva ne je zakodovana v Unikodu. Zaměsto njej možno jest koristati latinsku bukvu '''{{-|[[Z]]}}'''. [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|З]] pp4rmtp7vtkwktq5r8htmupo3bp7pr7 28942 28941 2026-07-16T22:19:55Z IJzeren Jan 9 28942 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v [[Unikod]]u nazyvaje se «osetinskym Dze ili Zi») je historična bukva [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[osetinsky jezyk|osetinskom jezyku]] v lětah 1917–1923 za označenje zvučnoj alveolarnoj afrikaty {{MFA|d͡z}}, a takože v [[kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardinskom]] alfabetu Atažukina iz 1865 g. [[Fajl:Atazhukin_alphabet,_1865.PNG|Kabardinsky alfabet Atažukina iz 1865 g.]] ==Kodovanje== Tuta bukva ne je zakodovana v Unikodu. Zaměsto njej možno jest koristati latinsku bukvu '''{{-|[[Z]]}}'''. [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|З]] t8tle8yjbw3o93akedjsdtf5gvrwsst 28943 28942 2026-07-16T22:20:13Z IJzeren Jan 9 28943 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v [[Unikod]]u nazyvaje se «osetinskym Dze ili Zi») je historična bukva [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[osetinsky jezyk|osetinskom jezyku]] v lětah 1917–1923 za označenje zvučnoj alveolarnoj afrikaty {{MFA|d͡z}}, a takože v [[kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardinskom]] alfabetu Atažukina iz 1865 g. [[Fajl:Atazhukin_alphabet,_1865.PNG|thumb|left|400px|Kabardinsky alfabet Atažukina iz 1865 g.]] ==Kodovanje== Tuta bukva ne je zakodovana v Unikodu. Zaměsto njej možno jest koristati latinsku bukvu '''{{-|[[Z]]}}'''. [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|З]] js0lh54suvt6g5av0eujlj8sxx7sv6b 28944 28943 2026-07-16T22:21:11Z IJzeren Jan 9 28944 wikitext text/x-wiki [[Fajl:Cyrillic Letter Zi - uppercase and lowercase.png | right | 240px]] '''Z''', '''z''' (v [[Unikod]]u nazyvaje se «osetinskym Dze ili Zi») je historična bukva [[kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v [[osetinsky jezyk|osetinskom jezyku]] v lětah 1917–1923 za označenje zvučnoj alveolarnoj afrikaty {{MFA|d͡z}}, a takože v [[kabardino-čerkessky jezyk|kabardinskom]] alfabetu Atažukina iz 1865 g. [[Fajl:Atazhukin_alphabet,_1865.PNG|thumb|left|400px|Kabardinsky alfabet Atažukina iz 1865 g.]] {{clear}} ==Kodovanje== Tuta bukva ne je zakodovana v Unikodu. Zaměsto njej možno jest koristati latinsku bukvu '''{{-|[[Z]]}}'''. {{Varianty bukvy З}} {{Kirilica}} [[Kategorija:Kirilične bukvy|З]] ralskxwxu2imozfo961hpfcjra51m4s 0 4779 28947 2026-05-17T07:07:48Z incubator>~2026-28147-43 0 /* */ 28947 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic letter long Es.svg | right | 240px]] [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]] ('''Dlinnyy С''') je písmeno [[Wp/isv/Kirilica|kirilice]], ispol'zuyetsya v versii bashkirskogo alfavita Mstislava Kulayeva. Yego strochnaya forma napominayet variant latinskoy bukvy S, ſ. Ona oboznachayet zvuk th. == Kodovanje == Dlinnyy С ne zaregistrirovana v Yunikode, no predlagayemyye kodovyye tochki dlya propisnykh i strochnykh bukv — U+1E07A i U+1E07B. V kachestve zameny mozhno ispol'zovat' simvol U+017F ſ (latinskaya strochnaya bukva «s»). A bukva «Fa» yazyka lisu (ꓩ) mozhet ispol'zovat'sya v kachestve zaglavnoy formy. 8gflpyn4gz54x1yz8sbhop1ue6kq9fb 28948 28947 2026-07-17T00:29:28Z IJzeren Jan 9 1 versija jest importovana iz [[:incubator:User:~2026-28147-43/Dlinnyy_С]] 28947 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic letter long Es.svg | right | 240px]] [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]] ('''Dlinnyy С''') je písmeno [[Wp/isv/Kirilica|kirilice]], ispol'zuyetsya v versii bashkirskogo alfavita Mstislava Kulayeva. Yego strochnaya forma napominayet variant latinskoy bukvy S, ſ. Ona oboznachayet zvuk th. == Kodovanje == Dlinnyy С ne zaregistrirovana v Yunikode, no predlagayemyye kodovyye tochki dlya propisnykh i strochnykh bukv — U+1E07A i U+1E07B. V kachestve zameny mozhno ispol'zovat' simvol U+017F ſ (latinskaya strochnaya bukva «s»). A bukva «Fa» yazyka lisu (ꓩ) mozhet ispol'zovat'sya v kachestve zaglavnoy formy. 8gflpyn4gz54x1yz8sbhop1ue6kq9fb 28949 28948 2026-07-17T00:31:11Z IJzeren Jan 9 IJzeren Jan prěimenoval stranicu [[~2026-28147-43/Dlinnyy С]] na [[Dolgo С (kirilica)]] bez ostavjenja prěnapravjenja 28947 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic letter long Es.svg | right | 240px]] [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]] ('''Dlinnyy С''') je písmeno [[Wp/isv/Kirilica|kirilice]], ispol'zuyetsya v versii bashkirskogo alfavita Mstislava Kulayeva. Yego strochnaya forma napominayet variant latinskoy bukvy S, ſ. Ona oboznachayet zvuk th. == Kodovanje == Dlinnyy С ne zaregistrirovana v Yunikode, no predlagayemyye kodovyye tochki dlya propisnykh i strochnykh bukv — U+1E07A i U+1E07B. V kachestve zameny mozhno ispol'zovat' simvol U+017F ſ (latinskaya strochnaya bukva «s»). A bukva «Fa» yazyka lisu (ꓩ) mozhet ispol'zovat'sya v kachestve zaglavnoy formy. 8gflpyn4gz54x1yz8sbhop1ue6kq9fb 28950 28949 2026-07-17T01:02:38Z IJzeren Jan 9 28950 wikitext text/x-wiki [[File:Cyrillic letter long Es.svg | right | 240px]] [[File:Cyrillic_capital_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]], [[File:Cyrillic_small_letter_long_Es.svg|14x14px]] (''dolgo С'') je historična bukva razširjenoj [[Kirilica|kirilice]], ktora byla upotrěbjena v projektu [[baškirsky alfabet|baškirskogo alfabeta]] Mstislava Kulajeva iz 1912 g.<ref name="efe">{{Cite book | first = Ҡ. З. | last = Әхмәров | title = Башҡорт яҙыуы тарихынан | publisher = Kitap | location = Ufa | year = 2012 | isbn = 978-5-295-05619-2}}</ref> Jejna mala forma pripominaje [[latinica|latinsku]] bukvu '''ſ''' (dolgo {{-|S}}). Ona označaje bezzvučny dentalny frikativ {{MFA|θ}}. Jejny ekvivalent v [[arabsko pismo|arabskom alfabetu]] byl '''ث''', a v latinskom alfabetu 1924 g. dvuznak {{-|'''th'''}} i v latinskom alfabetu 1930-1940 lět bukva [[Fajl:Latin small letter T with bowl.svg|13x13px]]. V modernom baškirskom alfabetu koristaje se bukva '''[[ҫ]]'''. == Kodovanje == Dolgo {{-|С}} ne jest registrovana v [[Unikod]]u, ale prědlagajeme kodove točky za velike i male bukvy sut <code>U+1E07A</code> i <code>U+1E07B</code>. Kako zaměny možno jest koristati simbol <code>U+017F</code> '''ſ''' (latinska mala bukva dolgo {{-|'''s'''}}) za malu bukvu, a simbol <code>U+A4E9</code> '''ꓩ''' (bukva «Fa» jezyka lisu) za veliku bukvu. == Iztočnik == {{Iztočniky}} {{Varianty bukvy С}} {{Kirilica}} [[Kategorija:Kirilica|С]] naf8ttz09540bvmqp43ng5clvlvahlo 2 4780 28961 2026-07-17T07:29:17Z Polda18 18 Koristničsky šablon dlja dokumentacije modulov 28961 wikitext text/x-wiki {{#ifexist: {{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/zapisky | <div style="background-color: #ffe; border: 1px solid #a2a9b1; clear: both; margin-top: 1em; padding:.8em"> <div style="border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; padding-bottom:3px; margin-bottom:1ex"> <span style="font-size:150%">[[Fajl:Module doc icon.svg|143px|link=]] Dokumentacija prědloženja modula</span> &nbsp; <span class="editsection plainlinks" style="text-transform:lowercase" id="doc_editlinks">[[{{fullurl:{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/zapisky}} {{int:view}}]] [[{{fullurl:{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/zapisky|action=edit}} {{int:edit}}]] [[{{fullurl:{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/zapisky|action=history}} {{int:history}}]] [[{{fullurl:{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/zapisky|action=purge}} izprazdniti pamet]]</span> </div><div id="template_doc_page_transcluded" class="dablink plainlinks"> {{{{SUBJECTPAGENAME}}/zapisky}} <div style="clear: both;"><!-- Tuten redok rabi to, že ruši plovuče bloky --></div> </div> </div> }} eywjjmkjjzvoji7idh9rmp4yvxrzcrd 0 4781 28991 2026-07-17T11:26:24Z Ilja isv 10 Stvorjena nova stranica s tekstom: «{{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} Japonske sčetne slova == Primětky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{cite web |url = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |title = Счётные суффиксы |lang = ru |access-date = 2010-12-25 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |archive-date = 2011-01-14 |url-stat...» 28991 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} Japonske sčetne slova == Primětky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{cite web |url = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |title = Счётные суффиксы |lang = ru |access-date = 2010-12-25 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |archive-date = 2011-01-14 |url-status = dead }} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}} sb5e5sv7vi1mkqi60687crftwnl3i64 28994 28991 2026-07-17T11:33:40Z Ilja isv 10 28994 wikitext text/x-wiki {{Začetok|data=July 2026}} {{-|''Under construction''}} В [[Japonsky jezyk|јапонском језыку]] [[Japonske čislovniky|числовникы]], прєдавајуче информацију о числу објектов, близко всегда користајут се с [[Postfiks|постфиксами]] — специалными служебными словами, кторе се называјут {{Nihongo|'''sčetne pomočne slova'''|助数詞|josūshi}}. == Primětky == {{Iztočniky}} == Vněšnje linky == * {{cite web |url = http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |title = Счётные суффиксы |lang = ru |access-date = 2010-12-25 |archive-url = https://web.archive.org/web/20110114103605/http://nippon.temerov.org/gramat.php?pad=counter |archive-date = 2011-01-14 |url-status = dead }} {{Prěvod|ru|Японские счётные суффиксы}} [[Kategorija:Jezyk]] [[Kategorija:Japonsky jezyk]] {{INTERWIKI|Q2116774}} q1bafr4n7gs9528upgjz5qlg4xnuz9m